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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:55 pm    Post subject: Best Snow Tires for Winter? Reply with quote

For the first time I am riding my scooter around in the winter and will like to know which snow tires will be best for a Buddy 50 in New England?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm gonna go with the ones on the truck that's hauling it around.

In all honesty, I'm not sure that the Buddy's rear is wide enough to accommodate any studded tires that would be wide enough to work on 10" rims. I'm also not sure if they make a snow tire for 10" rims.

Scooterworks sells a Vee brand "Winter" tire, but I don't know if they'd back it as a "snow tire". There's a pretty good reason why the tire manufacturer's don't advertise snow tires for motorcycles. Most motorcycles that you see in the snow are dual sports that have much taller suspensions (with farther travel) and fat knobby tires for grabbing loose ground. The Buddy's pretty much the opposite of those.

If you do find some, be sure to let us know. I'm pretty sure this isn't a common topic.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm in Salem, MA and I'm using stock tires and have had no problems. Just don't drive when there is snow on the road.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry. Law of physics apply here. 2 wheels plus snow do not mix. Just suffer like the rest of us and park the scoot. I live in Cleveland (dammit) so I feel your pain. Grab that day where the ice is scaped off the road and the sun is shining and count your blessings you hit the road if only for a day.

It should be noted snow is not the issue as much as ice. 99/100 where there is snow there is some ice.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with what has already been said. Scooter tires are already pretty soft compared to car tires, which, besides tread, is what makes a tire a snow tire. But, the scoot is just not heavy enough to grip on icy roads, plus when you slide in a car just a little you are ok, when you slide on a scooter just a little, you will most likely go down. Ever hit loose gravel on a bicycle...now multiply that times 10.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luckily, we are on the coast and the roads are clear 1-4 days after a storm. I've been riding all winter except for a few days here and there.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

im going with the band wagon here
besides the fact that no mater what you put on the scooter it still wont be safe then you have to worry about the idiots in cages we all know thay cant drive on dry roads and they drive even worse on snow covered roads and you have nothing at all to protect you from 3000+ lbs of steel sliding out of control at you

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the best, cheapest, and most effective proven method that works for everyone.

Just ride when there is no snow or ice and it's dry out. Dont risk riding on snowy roads or snowy conditions. You may be the best scooter rider in history, but the speeding SUV behind you isnt going to stop when it hits a patch of black ice and pancakes you.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

here is a link to the Iceman spikes tires. Not sure if you could get one of these on a Buddy. I know they won't work with the Buddy 50 since all of these are tubeless and the 50 runs tubes.

http://www.schwalbetires.com/iceman_spikes

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Studded tires are illegal in many states and arent very practical. By the time you get out of the office at 5PM, the streets are cleared of snow and you still have studded tires on your bike. What now?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks like the same kind of studs that are in thier bicycle tires. If thats the case then the studs arn't very pronounced and work just fine on dry pavement if a bit noisy. They still arn't meant for rideing in 6 inches of snow, nothing is going to make that easy. These are really made for rideing on ice and hardpacked snow thats left from the plows
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've actually ridden in snow several times. Its wicked scary. The Buddy doesn't weigh enough to work well in the snow. The last time it snowed here in Portland(a few weeks ago) I actually pulled muscles in my shoulders from the effort of riding 25 miles in the snow and trying to stay upright.

I won't say its impossible, but I WILL say that I don't recommend it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aside from all the sound "don't do it" advice, the big problem will be finding anything in a size the Buddy can accommodate.

Heidenau makes a 120/70-10 Snowtex tire; that's about the closest I can find.
http://www.moto-amore.com/heidenau/new/snowtexnew.html

The Snowtex versions of their tires have similar treads, but different composition and are actually softer than the normal street versions:
"Snowtex® tires are designed for snow or freezing conditions though, and due to the softness of the compounds, excessive wear will be noted in dry conditions. Prolonged use on dry roads is not recommended."

So you're looking at $70+ per tire with pretty limited usage.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 120/70x10 Snowtex does not fit on a buddy scooter. It rubs the swingarm pretty aggressively. The Schwalbe Weatherman 3.50x10 is the correct fit (available in whitewall too - special order) if you must ride in the snow. We keep the blackwall in stock.

I don't recommend it. It's fun for like 5 minutes, just to prove you've done it. Then you crash.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pocphil wrote:
The 120/70x10 Snowtex does not fit on a buddy scooter. It rubs the swingarm pretty aggressively. The Schwalbe Weatherman 3.50x10 is the correct fit (available in whitewall too - special order) if you must ride in the snow. We keep the blackwall in stock.

I don't recommend it. It's fun for like 5 minutes, just to prove you've done it. Then you crash.


You're a friggin genius, Phil! Sell them a snow tire (after advising against it) then repair the damages when they get done "proving" they can do it!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No kidding! Hey, I did my part. Once you've been warned, if you wanna buy snow tires, a 5' tall windshield, or a sidecar and trailer for your buddy, it's on you. I found the more I tried to keep people from making bad decisions the more they resented me. Now I state my opinion and retreat to the service department.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the way to do it! Some things can't be told or advised, they must be experienced. Common Sense is often one of those things. ROFL
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been riding the Vee Rubber winter tire from Scooterworks since I nearly dropped on some black ice. I have not had a problem since. However, I have also changed how I ride if the pavement even looks wet below 35F. I do not know how they really would fair in the snow, but I tried them in the rain last night and they performed much better in my opinion than my Zippy 1's did wet.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have a buddy but I was browsing and came across your discussion and wanted to show you guys something. This is me earlier today during the snow storm. My back fender was removed so snow/water got all over the electrical connections and CDI? as well as the engine and carb. She's drying in the garage right now.

Just a simple rope wrapped nice and tightly (be careful to not wrap it anywhere near your tires air valve). Did it during last months storm without a problem as well. Rope needs to be replaced after a few days. I have a rope on the front too Very Happy.

If you click the image below you can get the full resolution.


Oh the buzzing noise is my carb vibrating on the frame Razz Need to adjust that. I got up to about 25 in this video. It's a terrible angle and I want to do another video, if I do I'll post it. It's really got a lot of traction in deep snow and on the road, which is like nice and packed with snow.



Can't wait to get back out Very Happy

EDIT: Link error.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeLTHmh9apk
- Scooter with snowboard as front wheel, studded back tire.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

drawkward wrote:
Just a simple rope wrapped nice and tightly (be careful to not wrap it anywhere near your tires air valve). Did it during last months storm without a problem as well. Rope needs to be replaced after a few days. I have a rope on the front too Very Happy.

That's pretty much how I used to do it, except I used steel core clothesline from the hardware store. This is going back 30 years to the era of spoked motorcycle wheels. I just tied the clothesline to a spoke, wound it around the tire in one direction, then wound a cross pattern going in the opposite direction and tied it off at the original spoke. During an ice storm in the early 80s, I was about the only vehicle moving in the city of Atlanta on that rig. The only time I fell was in the late afternoon when the sun had melted a little of the ice and there was just water on top of glare ice. The tires didn't lose traction, but my foot slipped when I stopped on a hill. I slid down the hill next to the bike and out into the crossroad at the bottom of the hill. It was one of those stupid, but exhilirating, moments that are only cool if you live to tell about them. Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrsjr wrote:
drawkward wrote:
Just a simple rope wrapped nice and tightly (be careful to not wrap it anywhere near your tires air valve). Did it during last months storm without a problem as well. Rope needs to be replaced after a few days. I have a rope on the front too Very Happy.

That's pretty much how I used to do it, except I used steel core clothesline from the hardware store. This is going back 30 years to the era of spoked motorcycle wheels. I just tied the clothesline to a spoke, wound it around the tire in one direction, then wound a cross pattern going in the opposite direction and tied it off at the original spoke. During an ice storm in the early 80s, I was about the only vehicle moving in the city of Atlanta on that rig. The only time I fell was in the late afternoon when the sun had melted a little of the ice and there was just water on top of glare ice. The tires didn't lose traction, but my foot slipped when I stopped on a hill. I slid down the hill next to the bike and out into the crossroad at the bottom of the hill. It was one of those stupid, but exhilirating, moments that are only cool if you live to tell about them. Shocked


Haha. Sounds awesome. I didn't think about using clothes line, but that seems like a better idea. These ropes can burn up pretty quick if your not careful. I'll try something with a steel core next time.

It's funny being one of the few vehicles out while being on two wheels, and all the other vehicles are SUV's or trucks.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:27 am    Post subject: This winter will be my first riding Reply with quote

I just got a scooter about 2 months ago and have absolutely fallen in love with riding it. I am determined to ride my "Optimus" year-round. What do you use during the winter? I live in Beverly.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:31 pm    Post subject: Re: This winter will be my first riding Reply with quote

joeysanchez_90 wrote:
I just got a scooter about 2 months ago and have absolutely fallen in love with riding it. I am determined to ride my "Optimus" year-round. What do you use during the winter? I live in Beverly.


common sense, if there is snow or ice on the road I use a scooter cover. It totally sucks but riding in the winter is not worth dieing over. If your thinking about riding in the snow do yourself a favor and ride around on residential streets for a few minutes and you'll see that although it can be fun its anything but stable Laughing

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You guys are nuts.... Shocked
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I'm totally going to remember that trick with rope. I got caught in a heavy and sudden snow storm last year while still at work, by the time I got the 25 miles home there were a couple of feet of snow on the ground, and I was having to use my feet as outriggers to keep upright.
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Weren't scooters, but I rode bikes over Vail Pass in Colorado in snow storms...twice. Once on a chopped sportster and once on a Yamaha SR500.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 5:04 am    Post subject: Re: This winter will be my first riding Reply with quote

joeysanchez_90 wrote:
I am determined to ride my "Optimus" year-round. What do you use during the winter? I live in Beverly.

I used to live in Cambridge. My experience was that when you ride your scoot in the snow or ice - you fall down.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive gotten caught in 1 freak snow storm ok more like blizzard in april
and its plain and simple when there is a chance for snow and the roads are slick the scoots and bikes stay parked

its not just me falling down but the idiots in cages do not expect 2 wheelers at all and they cant drive when things are good and they are even worse when the snow falls

and i live in a plave where we get a food amount of snow

now i will take the scoots out and play in the yard and have fun but wont go on the roads

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jmkjr72 wrote:
ive gotten caught in 1 freak snow storm ok more like blizzard in april
and its plain and simple when there is a chance for snow and the roads are slick the scoots and bikes stay parked

its not just me falling down but the idiots in cages do not expect 2 wheelers at all and they cant drive when things are good and they are even worse when the snow falls

and i live in a plave where we get a food amount of snow

now i will take the scoots out and play in the yard and have fun but wont go on the roads


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