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rondothemidget
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:21 pm    Post subject: Totaled Scooter - Need Replacement Reply with quote

The insurance estimator just told me my Buddy 125 is totaled, mostly because there were a lot of little parts that "take an act of Congress" to get. I'm waiting to hear what the settlement offer will be but I am now officially in the market for a new scooter.

What are you suggestions?

I need a reliable scooter for my daily commute (15,000+ miles in 2 years). Would a low-mileage Vespa ET4 or GTS 250 be good for a daily commuter? I'd love to get a 4T Stella but don't know about the reliability (or when they'll be for sale in CA). I know the Black Jack would great.

What do you think?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a new Blur owner, I'll argue for the Blur, but it sounds like you're leaning toward a more classically-styled scooter.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Honda sh150i for my daily commuter. Its amazing but a bit pricey. I was considering the new Blur 220 for my daily commuter as well before I bought the sh150i. It looks like a really sweet ride and its about a grand cheaper than the sh150i
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loving the Blur 220....
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there have been a lot of GT200 for sale in So Cal recently and they are more affordable than a GTS 250. I hear they a peppy and I've considered one for a second scooter.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put about the same amount of miles on my scooter as you did and if I was in the market for a new one, it'd be the Blur.

Never ridden one but the suspension gets rave reviews and the FI is the clincher!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup Yup, get a blur in Az, take it back to Cali. Just don't name it Blurrisimo. Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jijifer wrote:
there have been a lot of GT200 for sale in So Cal recently and they are more affordable than a GTS 250. I hear they a peppy and I've considered one for a second scooter.


Thanks for the suggestions. I'll look for the GT 200's.

Are the Blurs not sold in California? EPA/CARB issues? If so, are they expected to be resolved soon?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Better sit on the BLur first. Even though I'm not tall it's not very roomy for your feet and you can only sit in the upright (straight up) position, no room to slide back.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Davelhunter has a Blur in Cal, he got it in Az. I just read about it in blur room. Its titled and registered.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

want to buy my Black Jack?

I'm moving back east and need to sell it
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thadsgood wrote:
Better sit on the BLur first. Even though I'm not tall it's not very roomy for your feet and you can only sit in the upright (straight up) position, no room to slide back.


Hmm. Not sure about that. I'm 6' 1" and I can slide around to get comfy. It's roomy enough for my feet. I find it plenty comfy.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If my Buddy 125 was toast I'd either get another just like it or bump up to the new fluel injected blur 220, because that thing is sweet.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rondothemidget wrote:
I'll look for the GT 200's.

I'd second this as a good commuter choice. The large frame Vespas are reliable and solid. The carbed GT200 is the simplest of the 200/250/300 series and has plenty of power. Even after all this time, nobody builds a better scooter than Vespa. The only drawbacks are initial price and cost of repairs if the metal body is damaged. Now that the 200 has been supplanted by the larger fuel injected models, its price on the used market has been pushed down to pretty reasonable levels. If you can get a used one at a good price, I'd go for it. (and nothing wrong with a GTS250 either if you came across a good enough deal - scooter prices are way down everywhere)
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The insurance company totaled out my 2009 Buddy last year, and I was able to buy it back for about $500 (after verifying with the shop that the frame wasn't bent). It cost about $400 more (if I recall correctly) to get it back to near new condition:

I had to buy handlebars, new brake levers, the top plastic that goes around the speedometer, the black plastic that goes under the speedometer, the plastic that covers the very front of the scooter, new mirrors, a new headlight and the chrome around it, and a new windshield.

I could have made it almost like new by replacing the big plastic piece that goes around the deadlights too, but it just has some scratches on it.

All of these things were super easy to replace, but I still took it in for an inspection when I was done fixing it to make sure everything was snug and properly in place.

I've put over 1,200 miles on it since then (many at freeway speeds) and have not noticed that it rides any differently.

So, you didn't say in your post how badly your scooter was totalled, but this might be something to keep in mind if it would work in your situation. If it would work it would be a lot cheaper than buying a new scooter, and you'd have the one back that you originally bought and liked. Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

are you selling the totaled scooter? PM me, im interested Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope you are able to get your old scooter back like michelle has suggested. Because in my opinion as long the frame is straight the rest can be replaced.

But if you are still looking around to get a scoot I would recommend the Black Jack. I use mine as a daily commuter and every single day I have a blast with.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I highly recommend the GTS. I love mine. The complaint I have may not be relavant to you (it is really heavy for me to park and get on and off center stand if there is any incline/slope) . I of course love my Buddy too and it is a great commuter, but the GTS is a much more comfortable ride and a lot faster -so I guess it depends on your commute conditions.

also it is fuel injected so the gas milage is excellent. I average 78mpg (Buddy 90-100). GT's not fuel injected.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm getting right around 75-78mpg on the Blur220i right now. Since having the first service and the new oil, it has felt like it was loosening up.

Can't say enough how happy I am with it.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hellvis wrote:
I hope you are able to get your old scooter back like michelle has suggested. Because in my opinion as long the frame is straight the rest can be replaced.

But if you are still looking around to get a scoot I would recommend the Black Jack. I use mine as a daily commuter and every single day I have a blast with.


The insurance examiner never offered me the option of buying it back. He did say it was getting picked up by an auction house - something I never knew existed but makes sense there is a market for something like that.

Mechanically, the forks, caliper, rim and handlebars would need to be replaced. The engine ran with no fluid leaks. Cosmetically, it would need mirrors and most of the body parts from where your feet rest, forward. I don't know if the repair shop inspected the frame. Assuming it wasn't bent, I'm guessing it would be north of $500 for parts and hundreds of dollars in labor costs. For a scooter with over 15,000 miles on it - I don't know if it would be worth it.

I'm bored driving my car now but I plan on being patient and looking for a killer deal for a used GT/GTS or a new Blackjack.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peabody99 wrote:
I highly recommend the GTS. I love mine. The complaint I have may not be relavant to you (it is really heavy for me to park and get on and off center stand if there is any incline/slope) . I of course love my Buddy too and it is a great commuter, but the GTS is a much more comfortable ride and a lot faster -so I guess it depends on your commute conditions.

also it is fuel injected so the gas milage is excellent. I average 78mpg (Buddy 90-100). GT's not fuel injected.


I see there are few GTS 250's in Craigslist LA, 3-4 years old, with 4-5,000 miles in the $3,500 to $4,000 range. Would you say those are average prices? A good deal?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love the looks of the Blackjack and the Pamplona. There is a model in the International series that should suit just about anyone. Vespas are nice, but expensive to get parts for, and super expensive to have any work done on. Being a mechanic, I do all my own work. The one thing I personally would avoid is fuel injection. Get a carbureted scoot while you can. Being an auto/truck mechanic, I deal with the crappy (but extremely expensive) failure prone electronic parts on new cars and trucks all the time. Fuel injected scooters have a very expensive electronic control unit and an electric fuel pump, things a carbureted model doesn't need. If you are not interested in another Buddy, I would suggest looking at the Kymco line. The Vino 125 is a great scooter as well, but buying a new one means dealing with a Japanese "powersports" dealer, not usually a fun experience. Jerry.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JunkyardDog wrote:
I love the looks of the Blackjack and the Pamplona. There is a model in the International series that should suit just about anyone. Vespas are nice, but expensive to get parts for, and super expensive to have any work done on. Being a mechanic, I do all my own work. The one thing I personally would avoid is fuel injection. Get a carbureted scoot while you can. Being an auto/truck mechanic, I deal with the crappy (but extremely expensive) failure prone electronic parts on new cars and trucks all the time. Fuel injected scooters have a very expensive electronic control unit and an electric fuel pump, things a carbureted model doesn't need. If you are not interested in another Buddy, I would suggest looking at the Kymco line. The Vino 125 is a great scooter as well, but buying a new one means dealing with a Japanese "powersports" dealer, not usually a fun experience. Jerry.


I'm either going to get a Blackjack or a used Vespa GT/GTS. So with your experience with fuel injection, are you saying you would you get a GT200 over a GTS250 if they were the same price?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rondothemidget wrote:
peabody99 wrote:
I highly recommend the GTS. I love mine. The complaint I have may not be relavant to you (it is really heavy for me to park and get on and off center stand if there is any incline/slope) . I of course love my Buddy too and it is a great commuter, but the GTS is a much more comfortable ride and a lot faster -so I guess it depends on your commute conditions.

also it is fuel injected so the gas milage is excellent. I average 78mpg (Buddy 90-100). GT's not fuel injected.


I see there are few GTS 250's in Craigslist LA, 3-4 years old, with 4-5,000 miles in the $3,500 to $4,000 range. Would you say those are average prices? A good deal?

Well I don't know the market there, but that probably is an average price. I bet you can get better. Are you able to rent a gts to try one out? The biggest expense on the gts are the rear tires. They eat through them. Also check out for sale section of modernvespa.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rondothemidget wrote:
I'm either going to get a Blackjack or a used Vespa GT/GTS. So with your experience with fuel injection, are you saying you would you get a GT200 over a GTS250 if they were the same price?

My 2 cents worth. The carbed engine in the GT200 is certainly simpler and you should be able to buy one used at a better price. On the other hand, the fuel injection system on the 250/300 Vespas works well and has been proven through years in the marketplace. Everyhting else being equal, I would not shy away from an injected Vespa. (Do a little reading on ModernVespa - you will see little in the way of reliability problems with the big Vespas. A recall several years ago involving the exhaust manifold gasket and some problems with fuel pumps on some low mileage 09/10 scooters which may also prompt a recall are the two issues that come to mind.)
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