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Blur 220i vs Yamaha SMAX 155

 
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wheelbender6
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:17 am    Post subject: Blur 220i vs Yamaha SMAX 155 Reply with quote

Has anybody ridden the both Blur and SMAX? Wheelbase, curb weight and top speed seem similar. SMAX has a flat floor, wind protection and costs $300 less. I'm a Buddy 125 rider and pondering something faster.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd love to get a SMAX, though I would also keep my Blur. The SMAX, being a Yamaha, should perform very well for it's displacement size. I've read that it has good power and handles very well.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this article is to be believed -

http://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2015-yamaha-smax-vs-2014-suzuki-burgman-200

Color me impressed with the Yamaha as they say it ran in the high 70's top speed and 84mph downhill. I have never seen high 70's on my Blur.

I would love to try the Yamaha out.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting article, but it was obvious the author doesn't "get" sport scooters. And if it makes anyone feel better, someone commented that the actual GPS speeds of the Yamaha and Suzuki is 71 and 76 mph, respectively. My Blur has hit 70 mph, GPS. It might go faster, but I won't know until I take it on the freeway.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Burgman sounds like the best of the bunch, but 5 grand is out of range for me. (I will have to buy the wife one, too).
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of the three, only the fuel injected Blur has an air cooled, two valve head. Sounds like the Blur is as easy to maintain as a Buddy.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like air-cooled engines until I realize that they give away so much for simplicity. Compression must be kept low to not overheat. Four valves are not going to get you much performance gain because of the above. Believe it or not, water cooled engines are lighter than air cooled. I'm talking about the engine alone here. There's less metal in a jacket and pump than large volumes of air finning. Oil lasts longer due to lower temperatures.
(Note that large Genuine's have oil coolers to help with engine cooling and oil longevity.)
How about a liquid-cooled scoot' Genuine?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wheelbender6 wrote:
Of the three, only the fuel injected Blur has an air cooled, two valve head. Sounds like the Blur is as easy to maintain as a Buddy.

If you are looking for performance, you are likely to get more out of a liquid cooled engine. And, IMO, liquid cooled engines don't give away much of anything in terms of reliability or actual maintenance needs.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that liquid cooling is more efficient. I fear that the four valve SMAX and Burgman have shim and bucket adjusters, in which case I would need to take it to the shop. If the Blur valve adjusters are like the Buddy's, I can do the adjustment myself.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Blur engine is something like 90% the same as a Buddy's. Main differences, afaik, is oil cooler port location and transmission length. Gear ratio might be different too.
And fwiw, the next mods I have planned (unless I kill myself before hand), is a 4-valve head, 63mm BB, and a 26mm carb. Curious to see what difference a 4V makes.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like fun mod's!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:36 pm    Post subject: smax Reply with quote

so has any one been on a s max will it fit tall people like us 6ft guys and does any one know can you buy a aftermarket no bump seat thanks
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