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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:19 pm    Post subject: Who's Crashed? [Crash Reports] Reply with quote

Quite a few crash reports for the still-fairly-new Buddy have been posted on the forum. This has made me kind of curious about who has crashed and what the circumstances and results have been. So, an informal, non-judgmental survey for those with crashed Buddies (or those who live with somone with a crashed Buddy), with my own answers in the following post.


1. Which model and displacement (CCs) scooter was crashed? Color?
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
3. Could the crash have been avoided? What will you do differently next time?
4. Was the rider injured? What type of protective gear or clothing was the rider wearing?
5. What was the damage to the scooter?
6. Cost of repairs, if any?
7. How much (weeks, months, years) riding experience does the rider have? Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neither?
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?
10. How fast was the rider going?
11. How far was the rider from home?

[EDIT: Many questions have been altered or added since the initial post, so some of the subsequent posts may not have answers to all of them.]
[EDIT: Questions updated on 2/13/11]


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Who's Crashed? Reply with quote

ericalm wrote:
1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
3. Could the crash have been avoided?
4. Was the rider injured?
5. What was the damage to the Buddy?
6. Cost of repairs, if any?
7. Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neiher?
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?

1. Pink 125.
2. Nope. Happened at night.
3. Maybe... I hit the brakes too hard.
4. Yes; torn ligament in right shoulder.
5. Busted headset and headlight. Bent front fork. Bent frame. Scratches to body panels and buddy bar.
6. Total replacement, so around $2800. Thankfully covered by responsible party's insurance.
7. License.
8. I'm ashamed to say no. Though I've recommended the course to others, I'd been delaying taking it until the wife was on her scoot and ready for the course so we could take it together. Then, of course, I totalled her scoot. Oops.
ericalm wrote:

9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?
10. How fast was the rider going?
11. How far was the rider from home?

9. No. Embarassed
10. About 35MPH
11. About 4 miles.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Who's Crashed? Reply with quote

ericalm wrote:

1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
3. Could the crash have been avoided?
4. Was the rider injured?
5. What was the damage to the Buddy?
6. Cost of repairs, if any?
7. Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neiher?
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?


1. Sunset 125
2. Yes, inexperenced rider, not comfortable turning. Morning
3. Yes.
4. Slighlty, road rash, bruising
5. Cracked/Scratched panels, Broken Brake lever, Broken headlight casing, Bent Wheel, Bent Frame.
6. Total loss, $2700
7. No
8. No
9. No. My GF. Rider rather hard headed, I wanted to avoid argument at 9:00 Sunday morning
10. Have no clue.
11. Two Blocks from the house

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Who's Crashed? Reply with quote

If you don't mind, I'm going to add another question to the list, but I think it's an important one.

ericalm wrote:


1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
3. Could the crash have been avoided?
4. Was the rider injured?
5. What was the damage to the Buddy?
6. Cost of repairs, if any?
7. Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neiher?
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Who's Crashed? Reply with quote

1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
3. Could the crash have been avoided?
4. Was the rider injured?
5. What was the damage to the Buddy?
6. Cost of repairs, if any?
7. Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neiher?
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?[/quote]

1) Pink/125
2)Yes & no; not paying attention,hit low spot in road / 5pm
3)Most likely
4) Yes; road rash,trip to hospital in ambulance on a back board
5)Broken left brake lever,cracked headlight cassing,scrapes and scuffs
6)Less than $100
7) Yes
Cool Yes
9) My scooter
10) 30mph
11) 5 miles +/-

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can we add another two questions?

10. How fast were you going?
11. How far were you from home?

I am curious because I have heard that most crashes happen at relatively low speed and pretty close to home.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lobsterman wrote:
Can we add another two questions?

10. How fast were you going?
11. How far were you from home?

I am curious because I have heard that most crashes happen at relatively low speed and pretty close to home.


I'll add new questions to the original list. If anyone wants to add new answers you can edit your existing post if you like. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
3. Could the crash have been avoided?
4. Was the rider injured?
5. What was the damage to the Buddy?
6. Cost of repairs, if any?
7. Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neiher?
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?
10. How fast was the rider going?
11. How far was the rider from home?



1. No, was clipped behind by an impatient cager while turning left. Around 10am.
2. Possibly... not too sure how though. Perhaps if I hadn't turned so quickly trying to get him off my tail.
4. Still have the bruises to show for it! Smile That was it though.
5. Smashed left mirror, snapped brake lever, some body scratches.
6. 70$ and that included an alignment.
7. Permit
8. <.< -cough- Perhaps if the course were FREE...
9. Yup
10. Not really applicable, maybe 5 mph? It was in the middle of a turn into a gravel lot.
11. 40 minutes from home, however right there on my campus.

Somehow missed: Orange Buddy 125


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:27 pm    Post subject: Crashed Reply with quote

1. Orange Buddy 125
2. No rider error/ 10:30 AM Sunday
3. Nope
4. No rider injury
5. Broken Chrome ring around light, broken kickstand, Broken hand break, and broken hand grip
6. About $45
7. Neither
8. Not required
9. Yes
10. 10 MPH
11. 7 Blocks
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Crashed Reply with quote

jperkins wrote:
1. Orange Buddy 125
2. No rider error/ 10:30 AM Sunday
3. Nope
4. No rider injury
5. Broken Chrome ring around light, broken kickstand, Broken hand break, and broken hand grip
6. About $45
7. Neither
8. Not required
9. Yes
10. 10 MPH
11. 7 Blocks


So, what happened?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
3. Could the crash have been avoided?
4. Was the rider injured?
5. What was the damage to the Buddy?
6. Cost of repairs, if any?
7. Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neiher?
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?
10. How fast was the rider going?
11. How far was the rider from home?

1. Orange 125
2. Yes and no. I broke too hard and had a low side fall, must have locked up my front brake, trying to avoid my stupid neighbor as she continued to back out of her driveway after stopping mid way and looking RIGHT AT ME. Midafternoon.
3. Yeah.
4.Just a little bruising.
5. Just a few scratches to the front tire cover.
6. 0 dollars.
7. License
8.Yes
9.Yes
10. Maybe 5 mph
11. Three houses down. Sad.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:33 am    Post subject: my wreck...How it happened Reply with quote

I was stopped at a red light and the light turned green, as I accelerated and hit a patch of oil on the road that was damp from a drizzle earlier in the day. As a result the scooter came out from underneath me. I had a helmt on and jacket so I was fine.

The scooter recieved very minimal damage because it slid on the kickstand and that kept the plastic body from actually touching the pavement.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Orange 125
2. Eh, it was slick concrete hidden under deep puddle. Mid-afternoon.
3. If I had taken a different street.
4. Nope.
5. Minor scratches on one side.
6. none
7. no comment. Smile
8. no, but does 15 years cycle experience count?
9. yes
10. 5pmh? maybe?
11. 7 miles

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
3. Could the crash have been avoided?
4. Was the rider injured?
5. What was the damage to the Buddy?
6. Cost of repairs, if any?
7. Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neiher?
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?
10. How fast was the rider going?
11. How far was the rider from home?

1. Orange 125
2. Rider error. Sunny afternoon.
3. Yes.
4. Road rash, bruises and sore muscles.
5. A couple little scrapes... came out better than the rider.
6. Nothing worth fixing... cosmetic.
7. Permit.
8. No.
9. Yes.
10. About 20 mph... practicing hard stops and grabbed the brakes (in a bit of panic)... the scooter stopped, but I kept going!
11. Several blocks in an empty parking lot.

Embarassed

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Who's Crashed? Reply with quote

see details below..

1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color? Black 125
2. Was the crash due to rider error? NO, cagers fault. What time of day did it occur? About 345 PM
3. Could the crash have been avoided? NO, not by Buddy Rider
4. Was the rider injured? no, sore wrist
5. What was the damage to the Buddy? scratch. But you should ask about the cage. see below..
6. Cost of repairs, if any? not worth fixing
7. Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neiher? License
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course? NO
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner? YES
10. How fast was the rider going? around 10 MPH
11. How far was the rider from home? 3 miles


Oh I hoped I would never post here but "Mr" peabody99 called me this afternoon to report a minor accident on his black buddy. He was driving in a parking lot at the University where he works . A car pulled into his path and was broad sided by the Buddy. The guy was apparently a real jerk, did not ask if the Mr was OK only "what were you doing?? " , treating him as if he were a hackey sack playing punk on a skate board as opposed to a middle aged licensed driver WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY. So the Mr. asked somewhat sarcastically,are YOU ok -and he said "yeah but my cars not!" Buddy had taken a big bite out of the side of the car!!! Mr Pea99 then said "you DO realize I have the right of way?" and the guy grumbled and left, oddly Buddy only had a scratch (to add to the one when one of those sensor guided parking lot sticks came down on him). I know he should have called security and made a report but when you get shaken but like that, there is no visable damage,and someone else is at fault but acts so unremorseful
it is hard to think on your feet. Anyway given what a jerk this guy was,am I evil for snickering that Buddy dispensed a bit of grass roots justice and put a big dent in the car? Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:16 pm    Post subject: Re: my wreck...How it happened Reply with quote

jperkins wrote:
I was stopped at a red light and the light turned green, as I accelerated and hit a patch of oil on the road that was damp from a drizzle earlier in the day. As a result the scooter came out from underneath me. I had a helmt on and jacket so I was fine.

The scooter recieved very minimal damage because it slid on the kickstand and that kept the plastic body from actually touching the pavement.


Glad you're okay.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Orange Buddy 125
2. Rider stupidity: Night
3. Yes, I tried pulling a wheelie in front of some friends at school. I could never get the damn thing up, but sure enough this time it went sky high and I slid off the back. The buddy dragged me a little bit untill I could get it to stop.
4. Just my self pride
5. Scraped up the mud flap
6. 0
7. Permit
8. No
9. Yes I was the owner
10. 10 mph maybe
11. 5 miles
I know it was nothing spectacular but I learned never to show off in front of your friends.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone else noticed the color of Buddy that received several votes as the fastest (sunset/orange - in a previous thread) is also currently leading in this category? Hmmmm. Just a simple observation.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:42 am    Post subject: Re: Who's Crashed? Reply with quote

ericalm wrote:


1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
3. Could the crash have been avoided?
4. Was the rider injured?
5. What was the damage to the Buddy?
6. Cost of repairs, if any?
7. Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neiher?
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?
10. How fast was the rider going?
11. How far was the rider from home?


1. Cream Buddy 125
2. I'd like to say no Embarassed , about 3 pm.
3. Hit a manhole/oil slick right after it drizzled a bit, trying to slow and change lanes, went right down.
4. Nah, had my jacket (day after I got it in fact) and helmet on, just a little shook up.
5. Scrapes on the left side, brake lever included
6. Haven't bothered fixing it yet
7. I've got my license.
8. Yeah... not on my scoot but yeah.
9. Yes he is...
10. 50 when I started to slow, not sure of my innaccuracy, I think I went down around 30, slid at least 10 feet.
11. 2 miles at the most, then again most days I don't get outside of 10 miles from home.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope. Don't wanna. Don't intend to...

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a motorcycle fatality here in Oklahoma the other day. A guy on a Harley ran off the side of the road and hit a flower planter. No other details I've heard.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SteMer wrote:
Has anyone else noticed the color of Buddy that received several votes as the fastest (sunset/orange - in a previous thread) is also currently leading in this category? Hmmmm. Just a simple observation.

has anyone else noticed that most of the incidents posted happened at a near-standstill, or while "practicing"?
and the correlation with the color, sunset, is no coincidence... there is just more power to keep under control... Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SteMer wrote:
Has anyone else noticed the color of Buddy that received several votes as the fastest (sunset/orange - in a previous thread) is also currently leading in this category? Hmmmm. Just a simple observation.

Or, possibly that orange is simply the most popular color?

I also know of at least 3 other crashed pink Buddies which have not been reported here. I was actually expecting a high incidence of pink crashes, but maybe they're just keeping quiet!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Confused Orange is the most popular color? Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also know of at least 3 other crashed pink Buddies which have not been reported here. I was actually expecting a high incidence of pink crashes, but maybe they're just keeping quiet![/quote]

What would make you say that....because they're most likely driven by women ? Scream

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:44 am    Post subject: Re: Who's Crashed? Reply with quote

1. Black 125
2. Yes, 2 AM
3. Yes, sharp right turn down a hill late at night in the rain. Could have taken cab home.
4. Fracxtured humerous, repaired via surgery. still in a sling at the 5.5 week mark.
5. Almost none, scratches to one panel, one panel needs to be re-attached.
6. Est. $100
7. Permit
8. No
9. Yes
10. 5 MPH est.
11. 10 blocks

I miss riding a lot...probably be back on the scoot, shoulder and weather permitting in December.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear about the broken arm, pickupbear. Sad Heal well!

It does look like orange seems to be either the most popular color or that you all are less inhibited about your scooter exploits. I wonder if the there's some connection between the color of your Buddy and your personality.

Just having fun trying to stir up a friendly rivalry between the colors. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems like the dmv says- most crashes occur close to home. Of course, MOST scooter riders only drive them in their neighbourhood, but it's interesting to see the statistic held up.

I'm just glad that aside from scrapes and bruises, everyone is okay!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, and besides the fact that most people DONT ride very far from home. All trips generally start and end within 2 miles of home, car or scooter. Not somewhere in between. My two cents.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the "accidents close to home" statistic has always bugged me. Of course most occur closer to home; this is where most riding/driving occurs. No matter where you go, you have to end up there. Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to interpret this as meaning that riders are either more accident prone close to home or, even worse, that they can rest easy five miles from their house because the likelihood of getting in accident has magically been reduced.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dahuffy wrote:
ericalm wrote:
I also know of at least 3 other crashed pink Buddies which have not been reported here. I was actually expecting a high incidence of pink crashes, but maybe they're just keeping quiet!


What would make you say that....because they're most likely driven by women ? Scream


Doubtful since he's a guy who crashed a pink buddy (and I would beat the crap out of him if he even suggested crashing was a girl thing). No, he's referring to the previous thread where there was a rash of several pink buddy crashes in the span of a couple of weeks.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oops, I forgot it was your Buddy that he tumbled from. I was just being a little sarcastic anyway. I was one of those Pink ones myself Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color? 125 Pink
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur? No some idiot woman ran a stop sign while I was going to work at about 8:45am.
3. Could the crash have been avoided? I avoided physically hitting her car by laying the bike down.
4. Was the rider injured? Unfortunately when I laid the bike down I laid it on my knee. I am currently lying here with multiple fractures in my tibia, which required surgery. I now have a plate and nine screws in my leg. I am completely non weightbearing for at least another four weeks. The doctor says it will be three to six months before I walk normally again.
5. What was the damage to the Buddy? Nope it landed on top of me.
6. Cost of repairs, if any? Zero
7. Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neiher? I had a permit, which will have expired by the time I can ride again.
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course? I took a scooter safety course which isnt as long or expensive as the MSF.
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner? Yup
10. How fast was the rider going? According to the accident report I was doing 25. I really dont remember.
11. How far was the rider from home? Less than a mile.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ericalm wrote:
Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to interpret this as meaning that riders are either more accident prone close to home or, even worse, that they can rest easy five miles from their house because the likelihood of getting in accident has magically been reduced.


That's surprising that folks take it that way... for me it reminds me that even if I'm just going a few minutes away I need to be wearing appropriate gear. I've seen a lot of posts in the various helmet discussions (here and on modern vespa) where folks say "I wear a helmet only if I'm going on a long trip" which seems scary to me. My last accident (in my car) was less than 100 FEET from my house (telephone pole jumped out at me!) so I buckle up always.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

man you wont catch me going anywhere without a helmet, although i dont always wear a jacket. I just figure, I don't have impressive healthcare and I have the means to prevention, so I think, how much is my head worth, yanno?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blackeyes24 wrote:
1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color? 125 Pink
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur? No some idiot woman ran a stop sign while I was going to work at about 8:45am.
3. Could the crash have been avoided? I avoided physically hitting her car by laying the bike down.
4. Was the rider injured? Unfortunately when I laid the bike down I laid it on my knee. I am currently lying here with multiple fractures in my tibia, which required surgery. I now have a plate and nine screws in my leg. I am completely non weightbearing for at least another four weeks. The doctor says it will be three to six months before I walk normally again.
5. What was the damage to the Buddy? Nope it landed on top of me.
6. Cost of repairs, if any? Zero
7. Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neiher? I had a permit, which will have expired by the time I can ride again.
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course? I took a scooter safety course which isnt as long or expensive as the MSF.
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner? Yup
10. How fast was the rider going? According to the accident report I was doing 25. I really dont remember.
11. How far was the rider from home? Less than a mile.


wow sorry to hear about this accident. It is amazing how bad you can get messed up in a fairly low speed crash. Take care and heres to a speedy recovery
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. I think I went down right on my knee which is probably how I got so messed up. I know the bike landed on me because the first thing I remember is screaming "Get the bike off my leg!" Then I started screaming at the EMT about not having health insurance as if they were going to stop treating me because I couldnt pay. Its amazing what you think of as you are lying in the middle of the road with blinding pain in your knee. I also landed on my elbow but thankfully it wasnt broken. My helmet did its job there is a big scrape along the side of it but my head is as good as it ever was. Got the hospital bills today. They are scary!

I miss riding but then I miss walking too. Oh well. There is a saying that there are two catagories of motorcycle riders: Those who have fallen and those who will fall. I am now part of the "have fallen" category. Hopefully it was the first and last time.

Apparently the officers at the scene at least got a little amusement out of the accident. One of South Florida's men in blue was kind enough to ride my little pink scooter home for me instead of making me pay to have it towed. I am sure the site of a big cop in bermuda shorts on a pink scooter must have been a hoot.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zikes. no insurance. this may help people that do not have medical insurance to think about getting injury coverage through the scooter insurance policy...it adds a couple hundred a year but may be worth it! see if the hospital social worker can help you access programs that are on a sliding scale to settle your bill. I remember I once lost track of an unpaid $10 medical bill and it went on my credit report...still shows up nearly 15 years later...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was saving up for the scooter insurance, working extra hours at work etc, but I didnt have enough yet. Now all that money has gone to pay bills and I have to start all over again. I was supposed to have health insurance by September but my office keeps putting it off. The hospital did lower the bill some now I just need to give the bills to my attorney and wait to hear about the other woman's insurance.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blackeyes24 wrote:
I was saving up for the scooter insurance, working extra hours at work etc, but I didnt have enough yet. Now all that money has gone to pay bills and I have to start all over again. I was supposed to have health insurance by September but my office keeps putting it off. The hospital did lower the bill some now I just need to give the bills to my attorney and wait to hear about the other woman's insurance.


Too important an issue to worry about thread hijacking. My daughter in south Florida is going through a similar situation except her car was hit by a guy with no insurance. My daughter is going the attorney route to avoid any out of pocket expenses. If this stop sign running woman who caused the accident has insurance, you shouldn't be responsible for any out of pocket expenses. Her insurance should cover it all. If not, find a lawyer that will handle the case for a percentage of the final award.

You were the victim here and you've put up with enough already. You don't deserve any financial burden on top of the physical pain you've already experienced.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work for a law firm and oneof the attorney's there has agreed to represent me at less than the normal personal injury fee. We are waiting to hear back from her insurance company to find out exactly how much coverage she has. Once we know that my attorney will let me know what I should do next. South Florida drivers suck! In the mean time I go to physical therapy and hope to be walking and riding again as soon as possible.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My prayers are with you, Blackeyes...been there, done that. Lost my chopped sportster in the process.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blackeyes24 wrote:
I work for a law firm and oneof the attorney's there has agreed to represent me at less than the normal personal injury fee. We are waiting to hear back from her insurance company to find out exactly how much coverage she has. Once we know that my attorney will let me know what I should do next. South Florida drivers suck! In the mean time I go to physical therapy and hope to be walking and riding again as soon as possible.


Seems to me a good number of south Florida drivers are insane! Good to hear about your law firm connection, my daughter's situation is similar. Hopefully, her insurance company covers everything (was she ticketed?). If not, I would think that the mere threat of a suit would have her insurance company ready to settle out of court. Good luck!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
3. Could the crash have been avoided?
4. Was the rider injured?
5. What was the damage to the Buddy?
6. Cost of repairs, if any?
7. Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neiher?
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?
10. How fast was the rider going?
11. How far was the rider from home?


1. 125. Black.
2. No. A Mercedes drove into me. A little after noon.
3. Not that I'm aware of -- I don't really know what you can do when a car hits you in the rear portion of your scoot...
4. Slightly. Nothing to bitch about, really.
5. Scraped up panels.
6. Estimate for repair is roughly $500, including labor.
7. Permit.
8. No -- damned thing was booked solid!
9. Yes.
10. Around 20-ish.
11. About 9 miles from home, but about 100 yards from work.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
3. Could the crash have been avoided?
4. Was the rider injured?
5. What was the damage to the Buddy?
6. Cost of repairs, if any?
7. Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neiher?
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?
10. How fast was the rider going?
11. How far was the rider from home?

1) Sunset
2) Rider error.....Night--had to brake and was leaning on gravel
3) Yes.....If I had gone usual route and/or been wearing contacts instead of outdated glasses.
4) Yes.....broken wrist....surgery......still in cast (although I've riden)
5) Scrapes all down rh side (including grinded brake lever handle grip and stipped out rh mirror) Not sure yet, but it may be out of allign--if that can happen.
6) Havened repaired it yet as it seems mainly cosmetic
7) M License
Cool No--they won't let you use your own vehicle.....so no.
9) Yes
10) 30-35 MPH?
11) Just left work (one block) on my way home (8 miles away)

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get to brag/confess to being unlucky.

I hit the ground taking my endorsement test, courtesy of a bit of sand and loose gravel in near the exit of the speedy curve portion of the test. Front tire lost traction and lowside on the sand and gravel.

Cosmetic damage only, wounded pride, a bruise on the ribcage, no damage to the jacket, gloves or helmet (which didn't even hit the ground).

The person administering the test apologized about the gravel and sand, and they brought out some brooms to clean ip up right after my incident. She did however think that I had excellent crash awareness Smile in protecting myself Smile.

For what it's worth though, apparently the spot I went down claimed a Harley earlier in the say, and the gravel was in fact oil absorbtion stuff (glorified kitty litter) and they rescheduled my exam for next week.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey, KidDynomite...glad to hear from you! i noticed after you reported your crash a while back that you had been really quiet on the forum. glad to know you are healing well, and that everythink is ok. speedy recovery to all damaged buddy riders!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Who's Crashed? Reply with quote

ericalm wrote:
1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
3. Could the crash have been avoided?
4. Was the rider injured?
5. What was the damage to the Buddy?
6. Cost of repairs, if any?
7. Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neiher?
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?
10. How fast was the rider going?
11. How far was the rider from home?


My wife crashed her Buddy.

1. Pink 125.
2. Yes, 3 pm
3. Yes
4. Minor injury to her finger (tendon damage)
5. None
6. None
7. Rider had motorcycle permit (has since obtained Motorcycle endorsement)
8. Not at the time
9. Yes
10. Less than 10 mph
11. 1,000 feet

She was reluctantly wearing a helmet at the time. When she felt her head hit the ground she lost her reluctance. She was very lucky as she landed on grass and was going pretty slow.

Good lesson learned without serious physical harm.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blackeyes24 wrote:
I was saving up for the scooter insurance, working extra hours at work etc, but I didnt have enough yet. Now all that money has gone to pay bills and I have to start all over again. I was supposed to have health insurance by September but my office keeps putting it off. The hospital did lower the bill some now I just need to give the bills to my attorney and wait to hear about the other woman's insurance.


I'm not much for litigation but this is an instance where an atty it most benefitial. You can concentrate on healing and not have the stress of the bills and other stuff.
Good luck!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I believe karma is as simple as playing the odds, so data/facts are important to me. that's why I wanted to bring this post back to the front. I'm keeping up mainly with #8. So far, I think, 13 of 16 crashes took place before the rider took the BRC.
I wish all states were as smart as Ohio, that subsidizes the course. Surely it pays for itself in decreased medical expenses.
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