listening to my mp3/ ipod while scooting

beastmaster · Post by **beastmaster** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:22 am

lately iv been driving with my sanyo mp3 player with and without my helmet on while scooting , i haven't taken the motorcycle coarse , and don't no if its even legal to drive a motor cycle with a mp3 or ipod, i no it reduce's your audible awareness , but im wondering if its legal. and Does any body else do the same?

michelle_7728 · Post by **michelle_7728** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:49 am

No helmet law in Texas?

I never thought I'd be one to do this, but I have started listening to my IPod while scooting too. I probably could not have done this a year back, but now it is natural and automatic for me to be "on alert" for other cars, so the music does not seem to affect anything. Of course I don't have it set super loud, so I can still hear other cars/tires next to me, and sirens.

So far as being legal, heck if I know. I'm assuming it is, but you know what they say about people who assume...

Probably best to do a search on line and see if you can find out for sure.

Post by **Lostmycage** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:56 am

Just a quick warning to folks in this thread about helmet and safety laws. Posting strong opinions on these topics is against forum guidelines, despite how much "common sense" those opinions take into account.

I have no idea what the laws are in Texas (I didn't even know that it was a helmet optional state!). I will offer this: if you're riding with traffic, how much benefit of the doubt do you want to give them? On a good day, regular caged traffic ignores me; on an average day, they seem to want to kill me; on a bad day, they seem to hunt me down. As much as I want to ignore them, I just can't imagine cutting off one of the few input sensory signals that I have available (and that's factoring in ear plug usage). Please keep your wits (and your senses) about you when riding.

Ride safe, even if that means going against all other common sense.

michelle_7728 · Post by **michelle_7728** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:14 am

Gotcha, and I totally agree. I didn't realize I was coming across as having strong feelings about anything there. Sorry!

Safety should always come first, and my listening to music is a personal choice I have made after 10,000 miles of riding my various scooters. Is it a wise choice? Maybe not--I would certainly not advise newcomers to do it, as getting good riding habits down pat should be the top priority.

Post by **Lostmycage** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:40 am

michelle_7728 wrote:Gotcha, and I totally agree. I didn't realize I was coming across as having strong feelings about anything there. Sorry!

Safety should always come first, and my listening to music is a personal choice I have made after 10,000 miles of riding my various scooters. Is it a wise choice? Maybe not--I would certainly not advise newcomers to do it, as getting good riding habits down pat should be the top priority.

Nope, you're quite alright. I was typing that response before I saw your post, and it doesn't even remotely relate to you. Voicing your opinion is perfectly OK; voicing it in a derogatory or judgmental tone (which you haven't even come close to doing) is NOT OK. Regular old input is always welcome, especially personal experience.

I just wanted to cut off any helmet law discussion before it gets volatile, which it always finds a way of getting.

dshanson · Post by **dshanson** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:01 am

yep, Texas has a law that if you have enough health insurance and took the motorcycle safety course, you can ride without a helmet. or something like that.

I have not heard of any law like that, prohibiting music listening while scooting, but maybe there is a law buried in the law books in austin that no cop ever enforces because they don't know about it. heheheh. although i will say make sure you can hear the engines of cars about to run you over

michelle_7728 · Post by **michelle_7728** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:14 am

Well, along the lines of "personal experience" I'll just say that a couple of weeks after I got my full faced helmet back in 2009, I had someone pull out in front of me in the rain. I could not stop and hit their vehicle, after of course going down and sliding 20 or 30 feet on my head and right shoulder.

Looking at the helmet later, the chin area was pretty chewed up, and the face shield was scratched up. Conclusion: plastic surgery (or much worse) would have been the result had I not been wearing the helmet.

There is an awesome book out there, that you will find recommended in many threads on this site, called "Proficient Motorcycling". That book is the reason I got my full faced helmet, as there is a section in there where he has (in a pie chart) percentages of which part of the head gets hit in accidents.

And the MSF course is highly rated as well, even for folks that have been riding for years. It gives folks a safe, supervised environment in which to learn evasive maneuvers, panic stops, proper braking and turning, what to do if you encounter an obstacle like a 2 x 4 in the road that you can't go around, etc.

Okay, I'll get off the soapbox now.

Ride safe!

neotrotsky · Post by **neotrotsky** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:20 am

I know that several cities and counties in Arizona have laws that prohibit the use of headphones while riding, but I also have two helmets with the provision for built in speakers, so I don't know where that stands if the helmet itself is configured for sound but doesn't block the ears.

Raiderfn31 · Post by **Raiderfn31** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:45 pm

Never have ridden with my mp3 but it just doesnt sound like a good idea. One minute youre cruising listening to Creedence, the next minute youre on the pavement. Its not just that you cant hear other traffic well, it diverts the mind. This, of course, is MHO.

Tom_M · Post by **Tom_M** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:03 pm

I've been listening to my iPhone at low volume too. It helps with all of the wind noise but I can still have a conversation with someone at a traffic light so its not too loud. I think with a quieter helmet I may not need it, but for now it helps. I don't know if it's legal or not but I don't really do anything to draw attention to myself, so I'm not too worried.

Hwarang · Post by **Hwarang** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:32 pm

I almost always rock some music while scooting, helmet or no.

Mulliganal · Post by **Mulliganal** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:41 pm

Lostmycage wrote:On a good day, regular caged traffic ignores me; on an average day, they seem to want to kill me; on a bad day, they seem to hunt me down. As much as I want to ignore them, I just can't imagine cutting off one of the few input sensory signals that I have available (and that's factoring in ear plug usage). Please keep your wits (and your senses) about you when riding.

I bike to work and can't imagine cutting off my hearing of the cars around me while in the city; I've already been hit by a car once. So for me an iPod on a scooter is a big NO.

SteveK · Post by **SteveK** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:42 pm

I use a helmet with speakers. Bluetooth for the phone, music and GPS. I feel the GPS portion makes the system safer, no need to look at the screen while taking your eyes off the road.

The helmet speakers sound aweful if cranked so I can still hear all that is around me. I'd say it is safer with nothing interfering with the ears. Problem with that is I already have a 2 Stroke and aftermarket pipe so I can be heard.

Tocsik · Post by **Tocsik** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 2:15 pm

Hey, I just wanted to give a thank you and congratulations for all of the moderators on this forum.

It remains one of the best run forums on the interwebs for any topic.
I'm not a big-time blogger in any way but I randomly participate in a few discussions ranging from scooters to computers to echocardiography. The content and layout of MB rivals the best professional sites I have seen.

Thanks again for providing a place where n00bs like me can learn and ask questions without fear of getting flamed and a forum for gurus to help the masses.

Raiderfn31 · Post by **Raiderfn31** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:16 pm

^^^^^What he said.

moriahskies · Post by **moriahskies** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:31 pm

I'm in Texas. It's definitely not legal to be driving a 125 without a motorcycle license. Headphones are not on the books as far as I know, but the instructors of the MSF course would advise against it. I know a few people on scooters who drive with headphones on. I wouldn't do it because I've seen motorcyclists pulling out their ipods at intersections to change the songs. Intersections are the most dangerous place for 2 wheels, and I want to focus all my attention on the possibility of being rear-ended.

beastmaster · Post by **beastmaster** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:39 pm

Hwarang wrote:I almost always rock some music while scooting, helmet or no.

right on!

i think that every body's individual city and driving experiences have to be taken into account while making decisions on your scoot.
If i lived in Houston there be almost no way i would drive with out a helmet or with my mp3 player on. but I live in a town with a population 9000, and the average age is prob around 50-60, total retirement town , rockport tx, my cagers are actually very very courteous and aware of me , i can even notice a HUGE difference when i go to my hometown 45 min away corpus christi pop 275k , ex specially around the freeway people just do dumb things.

when i do were my headphones one good rule of thumb is, if i cant hear my own blinker then it might be to loud
thx for the insight, and plus 1 on this forum too, im apart of kymcoforum which has alot of good knowledge but doesn't hold a candle to modern buddy

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:53 pm

Tocsik wrote:Hey, I just wanted to give a thank you and congratulations for all of the moderators on this forum.

It remains one of the best run forums on the interwebs for any topic.
I'm not a big-time blogger in any way but I randomly participate in a few discussions ranging from scooters to computers to echocardiography. The content and layout of MB rivals the best professional sites I have seen.

Thanks again for providing a place where n00bs like me can learn and ask questions without fear of getting flamed and a forum for gurus to help the masses.

+1

TVB · Post by **TVB** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:35 pm

I've heard repeatedly that driving a car with headphones on is illegal in Michigan, and I vaguely remember it making the news back in ye olde Walk-Man days back (when one person presumably had them turned up loud enough to not hear a police siren, so if course they had to be banned), so I'm inclined to believe it's true. I would assume that this rule applies to operating any other kind of motor vehicle in this state.

If it's true, I routinely ignore that law when driving the car across-state, since there are rarely any listenable radio stations outside of my metro area, and I am confident that I can hear just as well listening to podcasts or non-hearing-damaging music as I could with the radio on. (The old no-victim, no-witnesses principle.)

With that said: that's in my car. Riding the scoot or the bike is a whole 'nother level of physical risk, and I have fewer and smaller mirrors showing me what's around me. The only times I've scooted with my headphones on have been a few times when I just plain forgot to take them off, and was too lazy to pull the helmet back off to remove them just for a 5-minute ride.

Post by **jmazza** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:37 pm

A quick google search for this seems to indicate that Texas does not have a law prohibiting this.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=texas+motorcycle+law+headphones

I listen to music pretty much every time I ride. Same deal as the others- the volume is not so loud that it's much louder than the usual wind noise in my helmet. Florida's law is that you can't have headphones that contact your ear but an installed helmet speaker system is ok so I have taken apart a pair of headphones and mounted them (velcro) in the ear area of my helmet (making an installed speaker system like the ones mentioned above). It works great, allows outside sounds in (sirens and traffic), and is totally legal. In fact, just due to the heightened sense of surroundings that riders often get, I still seem to notice traffic and sirens before the cars around me do. I have had a cop see the cable dangling and make a motion to "pull the headphones out of my ears" so now I tuck the cable in and carry a copy of the FL statute that allows this.

I have rarely (as in next to never) found myself less alert due to music. I'm the type that just about always has music on in the background so my mind actually wanders to more distracting things without it. But that's me. And you may be the opposite of me so ride safely and aware at all times.

gt1000 · Post by **gt1000** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:31 pm

I don't use headphones while riding or driving anything motorized. My in-hear phones would be perfect for this but they seal so well than my awareness is compromised. I will wear them bicycling but only on the bike paths, where things are typically so quiet that hearing isn't particularly useful. As to whether or not it's legal, it's a state issue and it is illegal in some states. Best guess is that you typically won't get pulled over for it but if you're caught speeding (or something else) it would be a secondary offense.

I know a bunch of folks who do use headphones while riding and in their unique conditions, it hasn't been an issue. Only you know where you ride and what kind of situations you're riding in. Educate yourself to the risks and act appropriately.

One reason I ride is because, like flying, doing it well takes all my concentration. I've said this before but it bears repeating: I do have bad days and when I'm riding and feel my mind wandering I'll typically pull over for a while. This isn't a daily commute thing, I can always maintain concentration on a 15 minute commute. But when I'm in the canyons for a few hours, a wandering mind can be a fact of life. If I find myself checking out the scenery, it's usually worth stopping to do it right.

michelle_7728 · Post by **michelle_7728** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:13 pm

I don't get the "messing with the iPod at the light" thing. I am always too concerned that the light will change and I won't have enough time to put stuff away and get my gloves back on. All I will do at a light is raise my visor to let more air in.

With regards to listening to music too loud: I had my hearing tested a while back and the woman doing it said that while your brain will accommodate your turning up the music when other things in the background get louder, the extra decibals are still damaging to your hearing. She said she is seeing more and more people who listen to iPods and books on tape that have a certain spectrum of their hearing that is damaged. So what she suggested is putting the sound on a volume that is comfortable for you when there is minimal noise and NOT adjusting it higher later. This same principle would apply whether you are on a scooter or listening to your iPod when going to sleep at night. So, on the scooter I only listen to songs I know well, as when I get going faster, I can barely hear the music. On the plus side, when I come up to a light, the music isn't so loud that it might be damaging to my ears.

My Scala rider headset does have built in speakers and can be connected to my iPod, but I think the speakers sound tinny when used for music, so yes, I use Scull candy ear plug headsets. If I'm going to be using the intercom feature (or phone feature) I leave the iPod at home, since because it's not going through my Scala rider speakers, the intercom or phone feature would not be able to mute the music.

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:19 pm

Monster iPod Remote. The best $6.50 you will ever spend. Comes with a velcro strap which wraps right around my headset next to my thumb for easy use. Water resistant and designed for use with gloves. Don't leave home without it

batgirl101 · Post by **batgirl101** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:22 pm

i ride and rawk the IPod on a daily basis, but i can still hear what's going on around me. I find i can ride for hours on end just listening to music and exploring back roads.

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:26 pm

batgirl101 wrote:i ride and rawk the IPod on a daily basis, but i can still hear what's going on around me. I find i can ride for hours on end just listening to music and exploring back roads.

Totally. I cant imagine the ride I did yesterday to Santa Barbara and back with no music. My thoughts are just not interesting enough to listen to for 8 hours

Post by **Lostmycage** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:30 am

I pretty much always listen to my MP3 when I ride... but it's only got the one note.

Post by **ericalm** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:52 am

There are places where common sense, good judgement and what's legal overlap and others where they're nowhere near one another and what may be legal may still be a pretty dumb idea.

Listening to music when riding is one of those things that I think individuals need to assess for themselves. It's important to remember that even if you can hear what's around you fairly well, music can still be a distraction and can still cause you to lose focus from riding.

I'd say that for riders who haven't developed their instinctive reactions yet and can't swerve or execute a hard stop without thinking about it, it's a bad idea, period.

Personally, I can't do it when riding in the city. Too much going on. The music is a distraction. Out of the open road it has the opposite effect. It helps me pay attention to the ride. Otherwise, my mind tends to wander and I lose focus. It's like a constant reminder: I hear music, that means pay attention to what I'm doing and don't start thinking about work, bills, what I'm going to buy my wife for her birthday or whatever else.

beastmaster · Post by **beastmaster** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:35 am

Skootz Kabootz wrote:Monster iPod Remote. The best $6.50 you will ever spend. Comes with a velcro strap which wraps right around my headset next to my thumb for easy use. Water resistant and designed for use with gloves. Don't leave home without it

very nice

Blackshirt · Post by **Blackshirt** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:55 pm

beastmaster wrote:lately iv been driving with my sanyo mp3 player with and without my helmet on while scooting , i haven't taken the motorcycle coarse , and don't no if its even legal to drive a motor cycle with a mp3 or ipod, i no it reduce's your audible awareness , but im wondering if its legal. and Does any body else do the same?

The grammar and spelling in this post makes the teacher in me want to kick a puppy.

Blackshirt · Post by **Blackshirt** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:57 pm

Lostmycage wrote:I pretty much always listen to my MP3 when I ride... but it's only got the one note.

BOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Post by **ericalm** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:51 pm

Blackshirt wrote:
beastmaster wrote:lately iv been driving with my sanyo mp3 player with and without my helmet on while scooting , i haven't taken the motorcycle coarse , and don't no if its even legal to drive a motor cycle with a mp3 or ipod, i no it reduce's your audible awareness , but im wondering if its legal. and Does any body else do the same?
The grammar and spelling in this post makes the teacher in me want to kick a puppy.

Puppies aren't to blame and if you're inclined to abuse one every time you encounter are terribly written post online, you may need psychiatric help.

One of the things we have to be tolerant of is that not everyone has impeccable language and writing skills. Some may slaughter it. We all make mistakes or knowingly violate the rules.

Posters should know that inattention to capitalization and basic punctuation can often make their posts difficult to read or understand and may result in fewer (or incorrect) responses.

KABarash · Post by **KABarash** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:56 pm

Well, as much as I've thought about I haven't yet.
I'm about 30% hearing impaired, and I find I don't even have the radio on in the car anymore......

I guess I just listen to the 'singing' in my head!

Blackshirt · Post by **Blackshirt** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:12 pm

ericalm wrote:
Blackshirt wrote:
beastmaster wrote:lately iv been driving with my sanyo mp3 player with and without my helmet on while scooting , i haven't taken the motorcycle coarse , and don't no if its even legal to drive a motor cycle with a mp3 or ipod, i no it reduce's your audible awareness , but im wondering if its legal. and Does any body else do the same?
The grammar and spelling in this post makes the teacher in me want to kick a puppy.
Puppies aren't to blame and if you're inclined to abuse one every time you encounter are terribly written post online, you may need psychiatric help.

One of the things we have to be tolerant of is that not everyone has impeccable language and writing skills. Some may slaughter it. We all make mistakes or knowingly violate the rules.

Posters should know that inattention to capitalization and basic punctuation can often make their posts difficult to read or understand and may result in fewer (or incorrect) responses.

As a teacher, may I kick whomever this person's English teacher might have been instead?

TVB · Post by **TVB** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:14 pm

gt1000 wrote:One reason I ride is because, like flying, doing it well takes all my concentration.

No, no, no.... flying requires jumping off a cliff and paying so little attention that you forget to fall.

Post by **ericalm** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:55 pm

Blackshirt wrote:
ericalm wrote:
Blackshirt wrote: The grammar and spelling in this post makes the teacher in me want to kick a puppy.
Puppies aren't to blame and if you're inclined to abuse one every time you encounter are terribly written post online, you may need psychiatric help.

One of the things we have to be tolerant of is that not everyone has impeccable language and writing skills. Some may slaughter it. We all make mistakes or knowingly violate the rules.

Posters should know that inattention to capitalization and basic punctuation can often make their posts difficult to read or understand and may result in fewer (or incorrect) responses.
As a teacher, may I kick whomever this person's English teacher might have been instead?

As a teacher, do you really want to set a precedence for corporal punishment of educators when their students perform poorly?

Just to distract you: http://www.happyplace.com/3645/the-best ... n-facebook
There's a hilarious exchange between a teacher and her former student about this exact type of thing.

jijifer · Post by **jijifer** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:32 pm

ericalm wrote:
....Just to distract you: http://www.happyplace.com/3645/the-best ... n-facebook
There's a hilarious exchange between a teacher and her former student about this exact type of thing.

"banana hammocks are deep, too, dude" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Music and scooting are both personal choices. My has evolved as did my scooter skills. I knew I needed music because i like to go on long scoots and well, I like to listen to music when I'm doing something for 20 or more minutes straight. It's how my brain is wired. I started with a stereo and speakers. When that failed, I went to flat headphones that stuck in my helmet. Found those more a distraction because they played too softly and when I have to listen to listen, well I'm not paying attention to the road.

I moved to 1 ear in but again, stuff is recorded in Stereo so you miss a lot of the sound with just a single ear.

I know do 2 ears in and take my chances. There was once where lights were turning from red to green and I was thinking "WOW! this is awesome" but then i look in my mirrors and see a fire truck, lights, on, sirens blaring and me impeding his path. OOPS!!!! Another time I drove all the way to the city (about 1.5 hrs) with my 120decibel xena lock going off under my seat. Totally unawares.

It's a risk. One I weigh every time I saddle up. This weekend on my long ride with a totally new group, I only put one earphone in. It didn't suck (save for losing the rubbery thing that goes into the are because it was just tucked into my jacket. Still that was better than NO music so a compromise I could live with. When I'm by myself on roads I know, it's both ears.

But when conditions change, riding because more challenging - I turn it off. There's one ride we do, 17miles we drop 4000 ft through hair pin turns. I want no music navigating that.

it's totally a personal choice. it's a risk to be sure.

as far as legal in Texas? I bet you could find that answer on google.

Post by **ericalm** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:52 pm

I might be experimenting with some of the small "personal speakers" as an external solution. I'm thinking about going that way for my bike. I've a much greater desire to listen to music in the city while I'm pedaling.

Phillips, Sony and several other companies make small, portable speakers. Some will even attach to a jacket or handlebars.

peabody99 · Post by **peabody99** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:05 pm

I am of the camp I need to have a 100% of my attention and senses. Besides, there is plenty of noise in my head to keep me occupied AND I have this to think about:
http://2strokebuzz.com/2011/07/12/vvv-r ... de-scooter

BootScootin'FireFighter · Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:13 pm

michelle_7728 wrote:Safety should always come first, and my listening to music is a personal choice I have made after 10,000 miles of riding my various scooters. Is it a wise choice? Maybe not--I would certainly not advise newcomers to do it, as getting good riding habits down pat should be the top priority.

beastmaster wrote:i think that every body's individual city and driving experiences have to be taken into account while making decisions on your scoot..... when i do were my headphones one good rule of thumb is, if i cant hear my own blinker then it might be to loud

jmazza wrote:I have rarely (as in next to never) found myself less alert due to music. I'm the type that just about always has music on in the background so my mind actually wanders to more distracting things without it. But that's me. And you may be the opposite of me so ride safely and aware at all times.

ericalm wrote:I'd say that for riders who haven't developed their instinctive reactions yet and can't swerve or execute a hard stop without thinking about it, it's a bad idea, period...... I hear music, that means pay attention to what I'm doing and don't start thinking about work, bills, what I'm going to buy my wife for her birthday or whatever else.

Raiderfn31 wrote:^^^^^What he said.

^^^^^What THEY said.

I use the buds for now, considering getting a bluetooth com system soon, or helmet speakers. I'll have to look into personal speakers, not a bad idea if it can clip to my collar. The buds I use now sound good but are very uncomfortable. Same goes for just about any earbuds I've owned, they start to hurt my ears after about 45 mins, so I have to take them out for a little while. I avoid the music when it's busy out, especially heading downtown. I know it's illegal, but so is speeding and we all do it.

michelle_7728 wrote:I don't get the "messing with the iPod at the light" thing. I am always too concerned that the light will change and I won't have enough time to put stuff away and get my gloves back on.

I've mastered the messing at the light thing! My summer gloves are thin enough to make contact with the wheel from my thumb (classic Ipod). I wait to see that about 2 or more cars have stopped behind me, then make sure I have at least 30 seconds on the crosswalk signal. The Monster Ipod remote looks helpful, thanks Skootz!

PeteH · Post by **PeteH** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:39 pm

I am a middle-aged male: even when I'm in a car, when I'm looking for a particular street address, I have to turn the radio down!

Being a musician as well, I tend to shift a good bit of concentration to what I'm listening to. It just happens that way. So speaking for myself, there's pretty much no way I'm turning on the tunes while scooting.

Besides, I prefer talk radio

charlie55 · Post by **charlie55** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:08 pm

Riding's the only time when I don't have to listen to anything, and I cherish every second of it.

TVB · Post by **TVB** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:18 pm

PeteH wrote:Besides, I prefer talk radio

For me, listening to nearly all forms of contemporary talk radio would result in far too high an incidence of road rage.

gt1000 · Post by **gt1000** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:52 pm

peabody99 wrote:I am of the camp I need to have a 100% of my attention and senses. Besides, there is plenty of noise in my head to keep me occupied AND I have this to think about:
http://2strokebuzz.com/2011/07/12/vvv-r ... de-scooter

I've unfortunately seen that video before and it always makes me gag a little. Links to it should be posted with a warning. No, it's not obscene, violent or gruesome, just really, really...indescribable.

peabody99 · Post by **peabody99** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:02 pm

^ the characters are, well, characters

, but you have to admit the tune is catchy.

beastmaster · Post by **beastmaster** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:06 pm

Blackshirt wrote:
ericalm wrote:
Blackshirt wrote: The grammar and spelling in this post makes the teacher in me want to kick a puppy.
Puppies aren't to blame and if you're inclined to abuse one every time you encounter are terribly written post online, you may need psychiatric help.

One of the things we have to be tolerant of is that not everyone has impeccable language and writing skills. Some may slaughter it. We all make mistakes or knowingly violate the rules.

Posters should know that inattention to capitalization and basic punctuation can often make their posts difficult to read or understand and may result in fewer (or incorrect) responses.
As a teacher, may I kick whomever this person's English teacher might have been instead?

lol, ok dude yea, to say the least i got all my paper triple edited in the English center in college , (bachelors in nursing) , written language has never been my specialty , math science and the other real subjects are more of my expertise , jk

batgirl101 · Post by **batgirl101** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:17 pm

*But when conditions change, riding because more challenging - I turn it off. There's one ride we do, 17miles we drop 4000 ft through hair pin turns. I want no music navigating that. *

the first time i wore an IPod on a super twisty ride, i found i handled it better because i was in the groove and more relaxed. that was a great day for me to have done the Berkley Hills, at speed without the anxiety I've often felt.

jijifer · Post by **jijifer** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:46 pm

batgirl101 wrote:*But when conditions change, riding because more challenging - I turn it off. There's one ride we do, 17miles we drop 4000 ft through hair pin turns. I want no music navigating that. *

the first time i wore an IPod on a super twisty ride, i found i handled it better because i was in the groove and more relaxed. that was a great day for me to have done the Berkley Hills, at speed without the anxiety I've often felt.

Yep, to each their own.

JHScoot · Post by **JHScoot** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:56 am

beastmaster wrote:lately iv been driving with my sanyo mp3 player with and without my helmet on while scooting , i haven't taken the motorcycle coarse , and don't no if its even legal to drive a motor cycle with a mp3 or ipod, i no it reduce's your audible awareness , but im wondering if its legal. and Does any body else do the same?

ok first off its a sansa

anyway i have a clip, too. wonderful player and great for riding

and sure, i never ride without music. and if not music, earplugs

beastmaster · Post by **beastmaster** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:33 am

it is a sansa as soon as i posted it i was like . doooooo owell

Post by **Lostmycage** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:01 am

charlie55 wrote:Riding's the only time when I don't have to listen to anything, and I cherish every second of it.

This!! exactly! My time, my thoughts.

Besides, if I heard something like Madison from XM Radio while I was riding, I'd look for a cliff to run off.

Modern Buddy

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