NSR - do you (can you) drive a stick FOUR wheel ride?
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NSR - do you (can you) drive a stick FOUR wheel ride?
So.... I have a 6 speed manual in my Cooper & a 5 speed manual in my pickup
Anyone else drive a stick car or truck?
Anyone else drive a stick car or truck?
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5spd Toyota Yaris. Before that 5spd Toyota Corolla. Also 4spd Stella, lol.
Can't imagine the Yaris without a manual. The gearbox mates perfect with the little 1.5L and conserves and transfers to the wheels every ounce of power from the engine. With an automatic, that thing would be a dog, with a manual, it's a zippy quick handling little go cart.
The only replacement for displacement, IMHO, is a good old gearbox.
Can't imagine the Yaris without a manual. The gearbox mates perfect with the little 1.5L and conserves and transfers to the wheels every ounce of power from the engine. With an automatic, that thing would be a dog, with a manual, it's a zippy quick handling little go cart.
The only replacement for displacement, IMHO, is a good old gearbox.
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2014 Chevy Sonic 5-speed.
I learned on a stick, and my last one was a 1980 Mercury Bobcat (Pinto with lock washers). I was surprised at how easy it was to go back to a stick after 30+ years of automatics. One big diff is that the Chevy uses an hydraulic clutch which is effortless compared to the old cable and spring arrangement.
The one nice thing about driving a standard is that nobody else in the family can borrow it.
I learned on a stick, and my last one was a 1980 Mercury Bobcat (Pinto with lock washers). I was surprised at how easy it was to go back to a stick after 30+ years of automatics. One big diff is that the Chevy uses an hydraulic clutch which is effortless compared to the old cable and spring arrangement.
The one nice thing about driving a standard is that nobody else in the family can borrow it.
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Is it the turbo?charlie55 wrote:2014 Chevy Sonic 5-speed.
I learned on a stick, and my last one was a 1980 Mercury Bobcat (Pinto with lock washers). I was surprised at how easy it was to go back to a stick after 30+ years of automatics. One big diff is that the Chevy uses an hydraulic clutch which is effortless compared to the old cable and spring arrangement.
The one nice thing about driving a standard is that nobody else in the family can borrow it.
I had a hankering for the Sonic Turbo with MT. Then the Fiesta came out with their turbo I3. Nothing quite like the sound of a triple!
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I think the connection might be more age than scooter-owning related. Most everyone "my age" had little choice, while many kids today have never seen, let alone been taught a manual.ScootLemont wrote:Just wondering if there was any common thread... Like there seems to be with Mini owners and scooter owners.Syd wrote:
What makes you ask?
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2013 Frontier KC, 6-speed manual.
1987 Audi Coupe GT, 5-speed manual.
I learned to drive on a manual and I prefer them.
As for scooters, I have four manuals, two three-speeds and two four-speeds.
1987 Audi Coupe GT, 5-speed manual.
I learned to drive on a manual and I prefer them.
As for scooters, I have four manuals, two three-speeds and two four-speeds.
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I can drive a stick and have had several.
No car right now. And LA traffic eats car clutches.
No car right now. And LA traffic eats car clutches.
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The Chevy 1.4L Turbo only comes with a 6spd auto or manual. The Sonic with a the 1.4 turbo is a blast, drove one when looking for a new car last year, but was out of my price range. Torquey as a diesel but with the high rpm hp of a gas, needless to say it was fast and handled very well but not as well as my Yaris, especially after I installed a rear sway bar (I say it corners like a jack rabbit on cocaine). Also drove a 5spd Spark, that was quick and well built, too, but again, just barely out of my price range.brianwheelies wrote:Is it the turbo?charlie55 wrote:2014 Chevy Sonic 5-speed.
I learned on a stick, and my last one was a 1980 Mercury Bobcat (Pinto with lock washers). I was surprised at how easy it was to go back to a stick after 30+ years of automatics. One big diff is that the Chevy uses an hydraulic clutch which is effortless compared to the old cable and spring arrangement.
The one nice thing about driving a standard is that nobody else in the family can borrow it.
I had a hankering for the Sonic Turbo with MT. Then the Fiesta came out with their turbo I3. Nothing quite like the sound of a triple!
I really think more people would drive manuals if they would only learn how. So many people think it's so hard to learn but it's truly pretty easy. Especially a Vespa/Stella, everyone loved the way the Stella looked but were afraid of shifting. The gearbox may be clunky and not that smooth, but damn is it easy to shift, and fast too.
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Oh yeah
5 4 speed Vespas
1 4 speed Lambretta
5 4 speed Vespas
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Yes. I learned on a 5 speed VW Rabbit. I like the interaction and greater connectedness. I've also had a Camaro 4 speed, a Sunbird 5 speed, now I have a Maxima 5 speed. Looking for a Civic automatic as my daughter is going to learn to drive next year. My VStrom is a 6 speed. I also like the infinitely variable transmission on the Buddy. T & G, loads of fun.
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I learned to drive with a 37 Buick straight 8 Business mans coupe , 3 forwards and 1 reverse. I was 12 and sat on a stack of pillows, my Dad
riding shotgun and teaching me. That was 66 years ago. Have driven a lot of shifters since then and a lot of automatics too. The old Buick was a floor shift, a tough car!!
riding shotgun and teaching me. That was 66 years ago. Have driven a lot of shifters since then and a lot of automatics too. The old Buick was a floor shift, a tough car!!
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Of course. It gets a bit trickier and stop-and-go traffic gets to be a pain. It's more fun to ride a Vespa/Stella without a clutch; LeMans starts at every light!Syd wrote:I drove a tow truck with a two speed rear end for a few years and learned a few things.
If you drive a stick can you shift without the clutch?
At what point does a hobby become an addiction? I'm uncertain, but after the twelfth scooter, it sorta feels like the latter...
Seriously...I've lost count...
Seven mopeds ...that's still manageable...
Seriously...I've lost count...
Seven mopeds ...that's still manageable...
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Learned to drive in a Ford F150 manual. Dad and I, were driving down the road one day when I was 13, he pulled over and said, "Alright you have to get us home, and if you kill my truck you pay for it!"
I got us home with a few stalls between, the truck no worse for wear, and I drove him all the time after that. I think he liked having a chauffeur. My first brand new car was a Dodge 5 speed. After that it was a Scion XA that I always thought would have been a much better car if it were a manual. Alas, the missus can't drive stick...
I got us home with a few stalls between, the truck no worse for wear, and I drove him all the time after that. I think he liked having a chauffeur. My first brand new car was a Dodge 5 speed. After that it was a Scion XA that I always thought would have been a much better car if it were a manual. Alas, the missus can't drive stick...
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I grew up on a farm in Montana driving tandem axle diesels. Most fun was a 5 speed with a 4 speed auxiliary. You could use the clutch for the 5, but the 4 had to be shifted by RPM matching only. Had two different MT Ford pickups, but the clutch went out on the second one after I moved to California. Since then, wife and kids have made the manuals go away, and now I have station wagons and sedans (and a Blur!). Don't really miss it, though, when I have to go through about 12 stop signs and lights in 6 miles to work.Syd wrote:If you drive a stick can you shift without the clutch?
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Love having a stick
My present cars are a VW Jetta Sportwagen TDI with the 6 speed stick, a 1980 Z/28 with a 5 speed and a 1955 Chevy pickup with a 3 on the tree. Every time I shop for a new car there are less and less sticks available. Will try to keep driving a stick as long as I can.
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Nope, no double clutch. For the 4 speed it was get the RPMs close, pop it out, rev up and down and grind until it popped in again. Sometimes, if you had the engine just right you could pop it out and back in seamlessly. The worst part is that it wasn't linear. IIRC the sequence loaded was start in 1 main, 2 aux, shift through to 5, take aux to 3, main back to 4, then 5, aux to 4 with main back to 4, then 5 or something like that. Unloaded you could skip some of the auxiliary steps, but I would load it so full of wheat that I'd need to hit every gear. Needless to say, there was no weigh station between the field and the bin.
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Yep, that's how those multispeed rear ends work too. But I never had a load heavy enough to worry about shifting correctly, or using the two speed rear end, for that matter. It was just fun to play with.RickWaza wrote:Nope, no double clutch. For the 4 speed it was get the RPMs close, pop it out, rev up and down and grind until it popped in again. Sometimes, if you had the engine just right you could pop it out and back in seamlessly. The worst part is that it wasn't linear. IIRC the sequence loaded was start in 1 main, 2 aux, shift through to 5, take aux to 3, main back to 4, then 5, aux to 4 with main back to 4, then 5 or something like that. Unloaded you could skip some of the auxiliary steps, but I would load it so full of wheat that I'd need to hit every gear. Needless to say, there was no weigh station between the field and the bin.
It's easier with trannys that have gears closer together than those that have some really long gears like my old '65 GMC Pickup. 2nd gear went out on it, so it was either compound low to 3rd, or just start in 3rd - 0 - 40mph.
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First car - 1965 VW Beatle. I don't know if they even came in auto. Also drove my dad's Pinto. Moved on to a manual Toyota Corolla then 5 speed turbo Dodge Conquest followed by a Mercury Capri convertible. It wasn't until I had kids that I bought my first automatic. Still miss that little convertible but no real room for car seats so after the second kid was born it had to go.
Looked for a manual when I bought my current car (BMW 328i convertible) but had to settle for paddle shift buying used.
Looked for a manual when I bought my current car (BMW 328i convertible) but had to settle for paddle shift buying used.
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Doubtful that they did. In addition to the classic Beetle* being notoriously underpowered (so an automatic transmission would make it worse), the hallmark of their engineering was simplicity, which would also mean manual transmission.cdwise wrote:First car - 1965 VW Beatle. I don't know if they even came in auto.
*note spelling: they were not musicians
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There was an Automatic Stickshift for the Beetle starting in '68. First Beetle to get Independent Rear Suspension (IRS). The transmission pattern was as follows:TVB wrote:Doubtful that they did. In addition to the classic Beetle* being notoriously underpowered (so an automatic transmission would make it worse), the hallmark of their engineering was simplicity, which would also mean manual transmission.cdwise wrote:First car - 1965 VW Beatle. I don't know if they even came in auto.
*note spelling: they were not musicians
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You still had to push down to select reverse. There was only a gas and brake pedal. There was a microswitch in the gearshift that sensed pressure on the shifter and activated a vacuum solenoid in the engine compartment. The solenoid actuated a vacuum diaphragm on the transmission housing that pulled the clutch arm. Press lightly on the gearshift to declutch. Stayed de-clutched until you took your hand off the shifter.
There was also a torque converter assembly in between the motor and gearbox. The oil pump on the back of the motor had a second pumping stage just to run the automatic section of the gearbox. In the gearbox, the ratios were similar to a manual Beetle, with the first gear removed.
Ideally, you put it in 1st and left your hand on the stick until the light turned green. Accelerate to 35mph and shift to 2nd. You could use Low to start off or climb hills. You could start in 2nd, but it took a loooong time to accelerate to top speed. Burnouts were fun; pick a low gear, rev the motor and let go of the shifter.
While the design was publicly available in '68, the first auto-stick cars were testing as early as '60.
Yes, I'm a VW nerd too.
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At what point does a hobby become an addiction? I'm uncertain, but after the twelfth scooter, it sorta feels like the latter...
Seriously...I've lost count...
Seven mopeds ...that's still manageable...
Seriously...I've lost count...
Seven mopeds ...that's still manageable...
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I applied for a job delivering sandwiches back when i was 18. They said, can you drive stick? I said, Sure! They said, Great -- you start Monday.
I called up my friend Nora and said, Teach me how to drive stick! And so the next day we went to the cemetary in her parents' VW bus and she taught me. Monday i turned up and began driving the restaurant van. I had to go up steep streets (Queen Anne Hill, if you know Seattle) and boy it was stressful the first few days!
So happens my car right now is automatic, but i've usually had manual transmissions.
I called up my friend Nora and said, Teach me how to drive stick! And so the next day we went to the cemetary in her parents' VW bus and she taught me. Monday i turned up and began driving the restaurant van. I had to go up steep streets (Queen Anne Hill, if you know Seattle) and boy it was stressful the first few days!
So happens my car right now is automatic, but i've usually had manual transmissions.
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My non-scooter daily driver is a 2013 Fiat 500 Abarth 5 speed. And, the race car is a 1998 Dodge Neon 5 speed. If I want an automatic, need to ride a scooter, take the van, or drive my wifes car.
Ridden a dual sport motorcycle for my MSF class, but am not as comfortable shifting a 2 wheeler. The consequences for screwing up could be considerably worse. Still, I'll probably get a motorcycle someday.
Ridden a dual sport motorcycle for my MSF class, but am not as comfortable shifting a 2 wheeler. The consequences for screwing up could be considerably worse. Still, I'll probably get a motorcycle someday.
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I've always preferred manuals. In the early 80s I had a sweet 66 Nova SS with a powerglide 2 speed automatic. If it had had a 4 speed I would probably still have it. My current car is a Toyota MR2. It's the only modern car I know about that was not available with an auto. Just regular manual or sequential shift similar to a motorcycle. My beater pickum-up truck is automatic but i don't mind that too much. If there were a manual shift scooter capable of crusing at 75 I would have one.
Just last week my girlfriend was saying that here dream car was a pink Miata with an automatic but she knew they were not available in pink or with an auto. I said that yes, indeed some came with autos so we looked on craigslist and found one that had been painted pink and I bought it for her. Some people are easy to please.
Just last week my girlfriend was saying that here dream car was a pink Miata with an automatic but she knew they were not available in pink or with an auto. I said that yes, indeed some came with autos so we looked on craigslist and found one that had been painted pink and I bought it for her. Some people are easy to please.
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My sister had one of those. It was a fun little car!az_slynch wrote: There was an Automatic Stickshift for the Beetle starting in '68. First Beetle to get Independent Rear Suspension (IRS).
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My first car was a tiny 4-speed 1979 Honda CVCC ---- then I owned a 1965 Ford Falcon which had been converted from a 3-Speed to a 4-Speed.... if there was any car I've ever owned that should have been an automatic, that was it. Plus I lived in San Francisco at the time and some of the hills were downright SCARY in that thing. The only car I've ever purchased new was my present 5-Speed Honda Fit. It was the only manual on the entire lot. My wife drives it 90% of the time now since I'm always riding the Stella to work
I must say that my favorite car I've ever owned was the 4-speed '79 CVCC --- just a cool little car that never gave me any problems. Unfortunately, it completely rusted out
I must say that my favorite car I've ever owned was the 4-speed '79 CVCC --- just a cool little car that never gave me any problems. Unfortunately, it completely rusted out
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Back in the day...
I mostly drove stick during my twenties, and back then assumed I always would. Then the commute got longer, traffic more congested, and the real killer: dropping kids at school. Drove a stick again for awhile last year and found it had lost its appeal.
That said, I would like another bike--a manual--to compliment the Burg. Something like a DRZ400 to handle in-town chores as well as dirt roads.
That said, I would like another bike--a manual--to compliment the Burg. Something like a DRZ400 to handle in-town chores as well as dirt roads.
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Was your Falcon a column-shift? I had a '62 Falcon coupe with a 170cid straight-six and a three-on-the-tree. Fun car, though shifting handling and braking could hardly be considered "crisp". I had a '72 SAAB 96 with a 1500cc Ford V4 and a four-on-the-tree. That one was more fun, though it still had crazy slop in the shifter.misterbrackets wrote:My first car was a tiny 4-speed 1979 Honda CVCC ---- then I owned a 1965 Ford Falcon which had been converted from a 3-Speed to a 4-Speed.... if there was any car I've ever owned that should have been an automatic, that was it. Plus I lived in San Francisco at the time and some of the hills were downright SCARY in that thing. The only car I've ever purchased new was my present 5-Speed Honda Fit. It was the only manual on the entire lot. My wife drives it 90% of the time now since I'm always riding the Stella to work
I must say that my favorite car I've ever owned was the 4-speed '79 CVCC --- just a cool little car that never gave me any problems. Unfortunately, it completely rusted out
We had a `78 Accord hatchback for a little while back in the 90's; it was decked out with a roofrack, overrider bumpers and 1500cc CVCC engine. Those funky triple-barrel carbs were a bit fiddly to set up right. The feature I loved the most was the dash clock. It had a mechanical flip-clock! A silly thing, but it was like having a tiny alarm clock in your dash.
Good on the missus, a light car with a good gearbox is almost as much fun as a scooter!
At what point does a hobby become an addiction? I'm uncertain, but after the twelfth scooter, it sorta feels like the latter...
Seriously...I've lost count...
Seven mopeds ...that's still manageable...
Seriously...I've lost count...
Seven mopeds ...that's still manageable...
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I have been taught how to shift on many occasions but for some reason my brain refuses to accept the training. I couldn't even get the hang of shifting a mountain bike...I just stayed in the same gear no matter what (I am thankful to Hipsters for bringing back cruisers) My husband and I came to the conclusion that it is just safer for me and society in general if I just stick to auto transmissions for everything I drive.
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I learned to drive on a Ford Cortina 4 spd. Dad had gotten rid of the Austin Healy by then
Yeah...the girl came with it
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The fourth "dead" pedal is always nice to have too!
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