How did they steal my scooter?!

gopatrickw · Post by **gopatrickw** » Sun May 10, 2015 6:53 pm

We woke up this morning to find that our scooter had been stolen! At first, I thought that I hadn't properly locked it up. We usually use a long orange chain with a master lock and a kryptonite cable and secure it to the signpost. All that was left of our scooter was this mangled piece- clearly from our chain. How did they do it!?!? We are furious and have already filed a police report and an insurance claim, but I just don't understand what happened.

KABarash · Post by **KABarash** » Sun May 10, 2015 7:08 pm

Looks as if it was cut (snipped maybe) and bent. Remember, a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.
Sorry to hear your scoot was stolen, hopefully the outcome will be positive.

wheelbender6 · Post by **wheelbender6** » Sun May 10, 2015 8:03 pm

They will sometimes freeze the chain with freon, and then crack it with a big hammer.

Neurotic-Hapi-Snak · Post by **Neurotic-Hapi-Snak** » Sun May 10, 2015 8:36 pm

Chains do not stop thieves, they simply deter them by requiring more effort to steal, if they are determined, they will steal it.

And was it hardened chain or mild steel? Hardened will require an angle grinder or drill with a cut off disc (or a very long time with a good hack saw) to cut through, a mild steel chain can be zipped through with a hack saw or snipped with bolt cutters. In your picture it looks like mild steel. Thieves know the difference between the two.

gopatrickw · Post by **gopatrickw** » Sun May 10, 2015 9:13 pm

Thanks for all the responses! Yeah, we are just trying to figure out what happened so that IF we can find our scooter... or if we have to get another one in the future, we can figure out a way to better deter thieves.

ed85379 · Post by **ed85379** » Sun May 10, 2015 9:21 pm

gopatrickw wrote:Thanks for all the responses! Yeah, we are just trying to figure out what happened so that IF we can find our scooter... or if we have to get another one in the future, we can figure out a way to better deter thieves.

The simple answer is, that chain was not good enough. Looks like it was clipped and then pried open. So basically, don't skimp on the chain, and never chain it to anything weaker than the chain itself.

A chain used for hauling, which is what that looks like to me, is not going to be strong enough. As someone else said, you need tempered steel, at least; a chain designed specifically for securing scooters. If you require that they need power-tools, they are generally going to move onto the next easier thing to steel.

KrispyKreme · Post by **KrispyKreme** » Sun May 10, 2015 9:44 pm

ed85379 wrote:
gopatrickw wrote:Thanks for all the responses! Yeah, we are just trying to figure out what happened so that IF we can find our scooter... or if we have to get another one in the future, we can figure out a way to better deter thieves.
The simple answer is, that chain was not good enough. Looks like it was clipped and then pried open. So basically, don't skimp on the chain, and never chain it to anything weaker than the chain itself.

A chain used for hauling, which is what that looks like to me, is not going to be strong enough. As someone else said, you need tempered steel, at least; a chain designed specifically for securing scooters. If you require that they need power-tools, they are generally going to move onto the next easier thing to steel.

Reason enough to get a proper garage.

gopatrickw · Post by **gopatrickw** » Sun May 10, 2015 11:31 pm

I wish we could get a garage! We live in the city and have had problems with mail theft and now scooter theft. Thanks for the tip! For the next round, much stronger chains.

tiii · Post by **tiii** » Mon May 11, 2015 12:23 am

Much stronger chain or any cable. While most anyone can gain access to a bolt cutter, cable cutters are a different situation.

Which city?

skully93 · Post by **skully93** » Mon May 11, 2015 2:48 pm

gopatrickw wrote:I wish we could get a garage! We live in the city and have had problems with mail theft and now scooter theft. Thanks for the tip! For the next round, much stronger chains.

I'm with you. When we can actually afford a house, I will be getting a garage. That doesn't always stop them either, but....

Sorry to hear this. There's no 100% way to secure them, all you can do is do your best and carry good insurance.

KABarash · Post by **KABarash** » Mon May 11, 2015 3:12 pm

skully93 wrote:
gopatrickw wrote:I wish we could get a garage! We live in the city and have had problems with mail theft and now scooter theft. Thanks for the tip! For the next round, much stronger chains.
I'm with you. When we can actually afford a house, I will be getting a garage. That doesn't always stop them either, but....

Sorry to hear this. There's no 100% way to secure them, all you can do is do your best and carry good insurance.

Yes, a garage is nice to have. However, years ago my mother's neighbor had a locked car stolen from a locked attached garage while they were home!
Nothing is a given.
I keep my scoot as well as my son's motorcycle garaged, the car resides out side with the keys in it. I live in a 'rural-ish' area. I also leave the house 'without a lock'. In the 27 years I've lived here there's not (yet) been an issue, except one neighbor down the road, but it was a 'targeted' thing....
As for your 'mail theft' issue, maybe it's time to think about a 'better' neighborhood. (You don't state what city you live in.)

Mulliganal · Post by **Mulliganal** » Wed May 13, 2015 1:06 am

KABarash wrote:
skully93 wrote:
gopatrickw wrote:I wish we could get a garage! We live in the city and have had problems with mail theft and now scooter theft. Thanks for the tip! For the next round, much stronger chains.
I'm with you. When we can actually afford a house, I will be getting a garage. That doesn't always stop them either, but....

Sorry to hear this. There's no 100% way to secure them, all you can do is do your best and carry good insurance.
Yes, a garage is nice to have. However, years ago my mother's neighbor had a locked car stolen from a locked attached garage while they were home!
Nothing is a given.
I keep my scoot as well as my son's motorcycle garaged, the car resides out side with the keys in it. I live in a 'rural-ish' area. I also leave the house 'without a lock'. In the 27 years I've lived here there's not (yet) been an issue, except one neighbor down the road, but it was a 'targeted' thing....
As for your 'mail theft' issue, maybe it's time to think about a 'better' neighborhood. (You don't state what city you live in.)

Funny, I live in an area where you could leave your scooter in front of the house unlocked without thinking twice about it being stolen (I know because my wife has left her Buddy on the porch unlocked for years), but I still put my Stella in the garage and lock it to my Triumph Bonneville with a heavy duty Xena alarm lock. I guess since I was raised in New York City some old habits die hard.

sunshinen · Post by **sunshinen** » Fri May 15, 2015 5:06 pm

I like the Kryptonite New York chain noose and lock. EDITED to note... actually I have the OnGuard brand's version of this... I suspect either would take some serious doing to break it. (Though it can be done.)

tiii · Post by **tiii** » Fri May 15, 2015 9:29 pm

How are folks getting thick chains etc through the buddys' wheels?
I'm relying on a cable and even it isn't easy to slide through the slots.

sunshinen · Post by **sunshinen** » Fri May 15, 2015 9:39 pm

I lock it to the center stand... Make sure to go through the welded part.

There's a diagram in this post... you have to scroll a bit: topic434.html

tiii · Post by **tiii** » Fri May 15, 2015 9:53 pm

Thanks Sunshinen