HELP RH50S 70cc overheating

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HELP RH50S 70cc overheating

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Hi I recently installed a malossi 70cc cylinder and malossi/dellorto phbg 19mm carb and uni pod filter. it has 6g dr pulley sliders and is over heating … right now until new jets come in the carb has a 80 main and 45 pilot with 55 choke... needle all the way rich... prima pipe that looks identical to stock pipe...
any suggestions?
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Park it till you get bigger jets in. You don't want to torch the rings.
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yes that sux but probably a good idea..
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so can overheating be caused by jets being too small?
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Very yes. If you are running too lean for that top end, because the main jet is currently too small, you end up with a much hotter burn. It'll run great, right up until it goes "clatter clatter stop"
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ok, I have another question. it's difficult to describe but I noticed a quick buzzing sound when I quickly let off the throttle. so I slowly left off the throttle and noticed at a certain low throttle position there is a buzzing or rattling sound. the problem is it seems to be getting worse like louder and stronger.. any idea what that might be in spite of the limited description? ty
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Could be a few things. Can you tell where the sound is coming from? Exhaust vs top end? If it's coming from the top end, is it a partial exhaust leak? If not, you may have a ring that is seated badly, or is becoming more damaged from the overheating. Less fun is the possibility that you have a wristpin bearing that is faulty, and rattling around.

Moving away from the top end, if the sound is coming from more towards the back of the case, you may need to check your front variator, see if those roller weights are jangling around at low rpm.
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ok so it has turned into more of a consistent jingle at any throttle position, im thinking the rollers is probably right. I have a variator and clutch coming this week so i'm trying to wait for it before opening it up. appreciate the info, I'll let you know what I find
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still waiting on ther clutch and variator but I got the jets in and it is still running hot. well having a 70cc run hotter than the 50cc? I switched from an 80 to 100 main and 42 to 48 pilot... runs good but really hot and loses some power.. I have a large intake by ncy that I haven't installed, I want sure how that would affect things, could installing that help and would that require rejetting?
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Just ruling out the dumb stuff......is it possible you have the piston in upside down? The arrow should point towards the exhaust port.
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arrow is pointing to exhaust.. do you think the uni filter could be letting in to much air?
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Have you done a plug chop yet? If not, do one pronto.
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I went to 3 different parts stores and none of them had the plug in stock so I ordered a few that will be in today at 3pm... I ended up getting the bike to run fairly decent, it runs on the warm side but didn't seem to be dangerously hot.. now I put in a malossi delta wing clutch with white springs and a malossi multivar variator with 7g weights add yellow contrast spring and now the bike is running at way higher rpms at every speed which is ther last thing I needed, now it's back to running hotter.. would changing the springs help that? if so should I change the clutch or contra or both and which colors? .. ty for all your help
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Re: HELP RH50S 70cc overheating

Post by Schlappy »

High temp will most likely mean you're running too lean. Invest in a temp gauge. I too have a 70cc and only removed the snorkel on the stock air box, along with a few other aftermarket parts, such as the exhaust. Slightly stiffer clutch spring, up jetting / general carb fine tuning (replaced stock with a stock with adjustable air screw) slightly lighter slider weights and a teaspoons worth of 2t oil with every gas up and my temps are fine. If you start feeling 350 degrees there will be trouble.
On a side note, the RH crank is only friendly to 10,000 rpm and lower. If your setup with the larger carb, air, exhaust etc and you're riding wide open throttle for long stretches of time at max rpm's, there too might be the culprit.
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