How will the new 2010 Stella effect the 2 stroke Stella's ?
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How will the new 2010 Stella effect the 2 stroke Stella's ?
If the 2010 Stella is a 4 cycle....what do you all think this will mean for the 2 stroke Stella's in terms of value and collectability?? Is anyone thinking of buying another 2 stroke just to have it??
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It won't affect mine in the least. Seriously, there may be a bit of a jump in prices asked by sellers of 2-stroke sellers. Even the once much-ridiculed Vespa P200E ("P-too common," etc.) has developed a collectors' following. If the new 4-stroke Stella has a 200cc or larger engine, I think it will be a smashing success. If Genuine decides to make it a CVT-only and abandons the manual shift enthusiasts, it will be a great loss.
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The 2-T Stella won't be replaced immediately; it'll be phased out over 2010/2011.
The 4T is a 150cc manual, but from reports so far it has all the power of the 2T. We'll have to see once more people get to ride them.
As for the value of 2T Stellas, it'll be a year or more before there's much effect. But even after the Stellas went out of production a few years ago, used prices on them didn't skyrocket. (I wouldn't go buy a bunch of 2Ts and sit on them, waiting for the day they're worth their weight in gold.) For the near future, they still won't retain value or appreciate as well as the better-known Vespas. In a decade or so they may develop their own following. They could be the Allstates of the future.
A CVT version of the Stella would sell like gangbusters. If it was a 250, performed well, and was priced less than a Vespa GTS, it'd be a big hit. Same goes for a 150 priced less than an LX. It wouldn't be a Stella, though, and I'd hope it would bear a different name.
The 4T is a 150cc manual, but from reports so far it has all the power of the 2T. We'll have to see once more people get to ride them.
As for the value of 2T Stellas, it'll be a year or more before there's much effect. But even after the Stellas went out of production a few years ago, used prices on them didn't skyrocket. (I wouldn't go buy a bunch of 2Ts and sit on them, waiting for the day they're worth their weight in gold.) For the near future, they still won't retain value or appreciate as well as the better-known Vespas. In a decade or so they may develop their own following. They could be the Allstates of the future.
A CVT version of the Stella would sell like gangbusters. If it was a 250, performed well, and was priced less than a Vespa GTS, it'd be a big hit. Same goes for a 150 priced less than an LX. It wouldn't be a Stella, though, and I'd hope it would bear a different name.
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How will a 4-stroke Stella affect her standing in the 2 stroke crowd? Right now, Stella is accepted in the same groups as vintage scoots. Will she still be accepted because the new variation will be a shifter or will she be relegated to the modern scoot crowd?
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Somewhere in between.Howardr wrote:How will a 4-stroke Stella affect her standing in the 2 stroke crowd? Right now, Stella is accepted in the same groups as vintage scoots. Will she still be accepted because the new variation will be a shifter or will she be relegated to the modern scoot crowd?
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It will probably be regarded like the Bajaj 4 strokes from recent years, with varying levels of acceptance.
Honestly, there are those who don't consider anything made after 1981 (when Vespa departed the US market) or certainly after '01 after they returned as a legit "vintage" scoot regardless of stroke, transmission, etc. You can find owners of any year or type of scoot who would exclude others from some category based on whatever arbitrary qualifiers they come up with to make themselves feel more special.
I'd think most people with an appreciation for a 2T Stella would also appreciate the 4T provided performance is similar.
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Yes… it's not a precise analogy.iwabj wrote:That would be cool-- but when the Allstates were rolling new wasn't the Scooter market in the US tremendously small compared to today --relatively speaking of course?ericalm wrote:They could be the Allstates of the future.
Allstates were available for 15 years, though, so by the late '60s there were probably many more in the US than there are Stellas at this point. Sears was the largest retailer in the country (probably world) during those years.
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No it would not be a Vespa. Imitation is never Genuine.Ericalm wrote:
A CVT version of the Stella would sell like gangbusters. If it was a 250, performed well, and was priced less than a Vespa GTS, it'd be a big hit. Same goes for a 150 priced less than an LX. It wouldn't be a Stella, though, and I'd hope it would bear a different name.
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I said it wouldn't even be a Stella, really…scooterjon wrote:No it would not be a Vespa. Imitation is never Genuine.Ericalm wrote:
A CVT version of the Stella would sell like gangbusters. If it was a 250, performed well, and was priced less than a Vespa GTS, it'd be a big hit. Same goes for a 150 priced less than an LX. It wouldn't be a Stella, though, and I'd hope it would bear a different name.
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