whats up with scooter clubs and alcohol?

jasondavis48108 · Post by **jasondavis48108** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:47 pm

Just wanted to add that this forum has been very helpful by the way. I've deduced from all the posts that drinking is indeed well woven into alot of club activities. (not suprising if a bit disapointing) I'll be staying away from most of the local club rides (as well as any rallies for sure), although it appears that every once in awhile they go on a G-rated ride where they meet at a park or some other public place. Might try one of those if they come up again. Other than that I'll be taking by bad teetotaling self on many a solo ride

kneil67@yahoo.com · Post by **kneil67@yahoo.com** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:50 pm

Kaos wrote:
jasondavis48108 wrote:
Ray Knobs wrote:
It's human nature, gathering and drinking. I doubt it has anything do with scooters.
Oh I'm sure it doesn't. Even the local bicyclists clubs tend to meet at bars Although I don't find that quite as freightning I still don't go on those rides.

Its not that I can't not drink, its just that all i tend to think about when I'm in a bar is drinking so it tends to make the whole expereince not very fun. Guess I need to find a bunch of straight edge kids to go ride with (no not really )
Hey, don't knock the straight edge kids

S.H.A.R.P.S

jasondavis48108 · Post by **jasondavis48108** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:51 pm

Kaos wrote:
jasondavis48108 wrote:
Ray Knobs wrote:
It's human nature, gathering and drinking. I doubt it has anything do with scooters.
Oh I'm sure it doesn't. Even the local bicyclists clubs tend to meet at bars Although I don't find that quite as freightning I still don't go on those rides.

Its not that I can't not drink, its just that all i tend to think about when I'm in a bar is drinking so it tends to make the whole expereince not very fun. Guess I need to find a bunch of straight edge kids to go ride with (no not really )
Hey, don't knock the straight edge kids

Most of those kids were alright by me

I used to run a tattoo shop (I did piercing, branding, and scarification) and I had alot of XXX kids that came into the shop. Most of them were good kids, but some of them were violent as all hell. I had to escort a few out of my shop at gunpoint cause they were trying to start fights with some of the other clients in the shop

narcoleptic · Post by **narcoleptic** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:52 pm

kneil67@yahoo.com wrote:
Kaos wrote:
jasondavis48108 wrote: Oh I'm sure it doesn't. Even the local bicyclists clubs tend to meet at bars Although I don't find that quite as freightning I still don't go on those rides.

Its not that I can't not drink, its just that all i tend to think about when I'm in a bar is drinking so it tends to make the whole expereince not very fun. Guess I need to find a bunch of straight edge kids to go ride with (no not really )
Hey, don't knock the straight edge kids
S.H.A.R.P.S

I have come across many a SHARP that wasn't straight-edge.

jasondavis48108 · Post by **jasondavis48108** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:54 pm

kneil67@yahoo.com wrote:
Kaos wrote:
jasondavis48108 wrote: Oh I'm sure it doesn't. Even the local bicyclists clubs tend to meet at bars Although I don't find that quite as freightning I still don't go on those rides.

Its not that I can't not drink, its just that all i tend to think about when I'm in a bar is drinking so it tends to make the whole expereince not very fun. Guess I need to find a bunch of straight edge kids to go ride with (no not really )
Hey, don't knock the straight edge kids
S.H.A.R.P.S

WOW, haven't heard anyone bring up the S.H.A.R.Ps in a very long time. In fact I just had the S.H.A.R.P tattoo on my neck covered up with a big arse old skool rose tattoo.

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:55 pm

narcoleptic wrote:
kneil67@yahoo.com wrote:
Kaos wrote: Hey, don't knock the straight edge kids
S.H.A.R.P.S
I have come across many a SHARP that wasn't straight-edge.

Yeah, SHARPS aren't sXe kids. SHARPS are sorta a kinder, gentler skinhead

jasondavis48108 · Post by **jasondavis48108** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:00 pm

Kaos wrote:
narcoleptic wrote:
kneil67@yahoo.com wrote:S.H.A.R.P.S
I have come across many a SHARP that wasn't straight-edge.
Yeah, SHARPS aren't sXe kids. SHARPS are sorta a kinder, gentler skinhead

WOW! they must have changed alot since I got out in about 95-96. When I in it the S.H.A.R.Ps were booze crazy and violent as all hell. I had to get out cause I was all about kickin the crap out of the boneheads but there was alot of hatered toward gays and lesbians and I just couldn't tolorate that crap. It always seemed strange to me, how a group so opposed to racism could be so damn homophobic.

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:03 pm

jasondavis48108 wrote:
Kaos wrote:
narcoleptic wrote: I have come across many a SHARP that wasn't straight-edge.
Yeah, SHARPS aren't sXe kids. SHARPS are sorta a kinder, gentler skinhead
WOW! they must have changed alot since I got out in about 95-96. When I in it the S.H.A.R.Ps were booze crazy and violent as all hell. I had to get out cause I was all about kickin the crap out of the boneheads but there was alot of hatered toward gays and lesbians and I just couldn't tolorate that crap. It always seemed strange to me, how a group so opposed to racism could be so damn homophobic.

Might have been a bit different in the Portland scene. The SHARPS here spent their time mostly just fighting skinheads.

siobhan · Post by **siobhan** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:04 pm

jasondavis48108 wrote:
Kaos wrote:
narcoleptic wrote: I have come across many a SHARP that wasn't straight-edge.
Yeah, SHARPS aren't sXe kids. SHARPS are sorta a kinder, gentler skinhead
WOW! they must have changed alot since I got out in about 95-96. When I in it the S.H.A.R.Ps were booze crazy and violent as all hell. I had to get out cause I was all about kickin the crap out of the boneheads but there was alot of hatered toward gays and lesbians and I just couldn't tolorate that crap. It always seemed strange to me, how a group so opposed to racism could be so damn homophobic.

And you're now a mathematician on tenure track. I love it.

jasondavis48108 · Post by **jasondavis48108** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:08 pm

If kinder gentler skinhead means beating the holey hell out of boneheads (Nazi skins) then yup, the S.H.A.R.Ps were as gentel as they come

and yes, it is quite strange to think back on where I've been and to see where I am now. Only in America could my life happen

TVB · Post by **TVB** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:13 pm

ScooterDave wrote:If someone wanted to join The Vulcan Scooter Secte, one of the oldest scooter clubs in the world, and told me if they joined, the club could no longer hang out at a bar if they joined, we would tell them to go pound salt.

And that's because you don't give a damn about other people. I was just pointing out that people who supposedly do care about welcoming new members may be shooting themselves in the foot by organizing their club around drinking.

jasondavis48108 · Post by **jasondavis48108** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:20 pm

TVB, I don't think that the point of these scooter clubs is to attract new members. I think the point of a scooter club is to attract like-minded members. Therefore it would be foolish of them to stop drinking at thier meet-ups if they enjoyed drinking and riding. If they stopped drinking then non-drinkers may join and if too many non-drinkers joined then it would change the climate of the meet-ups. I can totaly understand why they would tell someone to go "pound salt" (I think that means leave) and I can tatlay understand most folks point of view here that if you don't want to drink, start your own club. This makes alot of sense to me, as you would be able to get folks who didn't find drinking an important part of the scooter meet-up experience.

TVB · Post by **TVB** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:21 pm

jasondavis48108 wrote:It always seemed strange to me, how a group so opposed to racism could be so damn homophobic.

Simple: they need someone to vent their frustrations on, and try to feel superior to. Lots of non-skinhead folks have done the same thing (in their own way) as it's become socially unacceptable to be racist.

TVB · Post by **TVB** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:26 pm

jasondavis48108 wrote:TVB, I don't think that the point of these scooter clubs is to attract new members.

Right, and so the answer to my question "Do you set up your club to automatically turn away certain people before you even get to know them?" would be a simple "yes". I'm not demanding that every club embrace everyone, I'm just pointing out that some groups are being exclusionary without wanting to be.

djelliott · Post by **djelliott** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:26 pm

I gotta agree a bit with Dave here. We constantly meet at bars. Yes people have a few beers. No, drinking is not a requirement. Many folks don't and that's fine. Surely no one is forcing a drink into their hand. The term "Pub" refers to "Public House". In years past it was a place where people met, ate, drank, and shared information and news with each other before TV and the internet existed. Not that big of a deal.

jasondavis48108 · Post by **jasondavis48108** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:30 pm

TVB wrote:
jasondavis48108 wrote:It always seemed strange to me, how a group so opposed to racism could be so damn homophobic.
Simple: they need someone to vent their frustrations on, and try to feel superior to. Lots of non-skinhead folks have done the same thing (in their own way) as it's become socially unacceptable to be racist.

I understand that, but as a SHARP we fought and fought hard agaist this kind of bull. Blind hatered is blind hatered, and I just expected more of those folks. I've met some gay skins that understood the working class roots of skin culture far better than some of the upper middle-class kids that doned the laces and shaved thier heads and ran around claiming to be a S.H.A.R.P knowing that if they went to jail thier mama would come and bail them out. I've also met many a gay skin that was capable of shuting down thier homophobic bull crap real quick. Its funny how the skins from the groups that have to take the most crap from society are often the toughest ones. I had a girlfriend in highschool who was a black S.H.A.R.P she got all kinds of hell from lots of folks including her own family. She was the toughest bird I ever met in my life

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:33 pm

jasondavis48108 wrote:
TVB wrote:
jasondavis48108 wrote:It always seemed strange to me, how a group so opposed to racism could be so damn homophobic.
Simple: they need someone to vent their frustrations on, and try to feel superior to. Lots of non-skinhead folks have done the same thing (in their own way) as it's become socially unacceptable to be racist.
I understand that, but as a SHARP we fought and fought hard agaist this kind of bull. Blind hatered is blind hatered, and I just expected more of those folks. I've met some gay skins that understood the working class roots of skin culture far better than some of the upper middle-class kids that doned the laces and shaved thier heads and ran around claiming to be a S.H.A.R.P knowing that if they went to jail thier mama would come and bail them out. I've also met many a gay skin that was capable of shuting down thier homophobic bull crap real quick. Its funny how the skins from the groups that have to take the most crap from society are often the toughest ones. I had a girlfriend in highschool who was a black S.H.A.R.P she got all kinds of hell from lots of folks including her own family. She was the toughest bird I ever met in my life

Thats wicked cool of her, if she stood for the SHARP ideals. I can apreciate someone who will stand for what they believe even if they'll likely never be accepted for it.

jasondavis48108 · Post by **jasondavis48108** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:40 pm

djelliott wrote:I gotta agree a bit with Dave here. We constantly meet at bars. Yes people have a few beers. No, drinking is not a requirement. Many folks don't and that's fine. Surely no one is forcing a drink into their hand. The term "Pub" refers to "Public House". In years past it was a place where people met, ate, drank, and shared information and news with each other before TV and the internet existed. Not that big of a deal.

I don't think that having a beer and waiting two hours before riding is a big deal either. I just don't hang out in pubs or bars or any place whose main function is to serve alcohol. In fact, I have to say that although I think its dumb as hell, I wouldn't say being drunk and riding a scooter is a big deal since your only likly to kill yourself. (unless of course your on a burgman). I started this post simply to find out if drinking was fairly common with these sorts of meet-ups so that I could make an informed choice to avoid them, which is not a big deal either as I have not gone to a scooter club ride and I'm no worse off for it. As far as I know my scooter has not suffered any undue emotional damage either

I think you all should do your own thing and I'll do mine. But it's good to have a forum like this where folks who don't know about various aspects of scooter culture can ask questions before they get themselves into an uncomfortable situation.

narcoleptic · Post by **narcoleptic** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:51 pm

jasondavis48108 wrote:
Kaos wrote:
narcoleptic wrote: I have come across many a SHARP that wasn't straight-edge.
Yeah, SHARPS aren't sXe kids. SHARPS are sorta a kinder, gentler skinhead
WOW! they must have changed alot since I got out in about 95-96. When I in it the S.H.A.R.Ps were booze crazy and violent as all hell. I had to get out cause I was all about kickin the crap out of the boneheads but there was alot of hatered toward gays and lesbians and I just couldn't tolorate that crap. It always seemed strange to me, how a group so opposed to racism could be so damn homophobic.

Yes, this is how I remember the SHARPS I knew and hung around with in the early 90's. Most were beer swilling bonehead chasers. I don't remember much homophobia, but I honestly may not have recognized it so much being that I was young and stupid.

Post by **illnoise** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:53 pm

jasondavis48108 wrote:I wouldn't say being drunk and riding a scooter is a big deal since your only likly to kill yourself.

Never underestimate a drunk scooterist.

Bb.

jasondavis48108 · Post by **jasondavis48108** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:58 pm

illnoise wrote:
jasondavis48108 wrote:I wouldn't say being drunk and riding a scooter is a big deal since your only likly to kill yourself.
Never underestimate a drunk scooterist.

Bb.

Have you been watching too much YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcgV424zCvI

ScooterDave · Post by **ScooterDave** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:56 pm

TVB wrote:
jasondavis48108 wrote:TVB, I don't think that the point of these scooter clubs is to attract new members.
Right, and so the answer to my question "Do you set up your club to automatically turn away certain people before you even get to know them?" would be a simple "yes". I'm not demanding that every club embrace everyone, I'm just pointing out that some groups are being exclusionary without wanting to be.

No, clubs are exclusionary on purpose. Just because you want to hang out with me and my mates does not mean that we want to hang out with you. That is why we have a club.

TVB · Post by **TVB** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:56 am

ScooterDave wrote:No, clubs are exclusionary on purpose.

Not every club is intended to be exclusionary. Some people actually want to meet other new people. (Strange, but true.) Some scooter clubs are open to all comers, and as long as you ride something resembling a scooter and aren't a menace to the other riders, you're welcome. Even if some people in the club don't particularly like you. (Much like this message board.)

ScooterDave wrote:Just because you want to hang out with me ...

Now, don't you go worrying yourself about that.

Post by **ericalm** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:00 am

ScooterDave wrote:
TVB wrote:
jasondavis48108 wrote:TVB, I don't think that the point of these scooter clubs is to attract new members.
Right, and so the answer to my question "Do you set up your club to automatically turn away certain people before you even get to know them?" would be a simple "yes". I'm not demanding that every club embrace everyone, I'm just pointing out that some groups are being exclusionary without wanting to be.
No, clubs are exclusionary on purpose. Just because you want to hang out with me and my mates does not mean that we want to hang out with you. That is why we have a club.

Ding!

Ray Knobs wrote:but do you change your whole club to accommodate one person that you don't even know?

Nope.

There won't be a club for every rider out there who might want to join. They are, by nature, gatherings of like minded individuals with common interests. Scooters are just the baseline for that; there are usually other things like music, holliganism, drinking, etc.

I intentionally stayed away from the existing clubs when I started riding though joining a SC was something I thought I wanted to do. But there was just way too much history, politics, interpersonal bullshit that was apparent even to a newbie looking in. I've nothing against clubs, and do still think about starting one or joining one or whatever. But the clubs at that time, as well as the current groups around here, just don't suit me.

That's why we have our Meetup Group, which is very much focused on riding, though there's definitely a social component as well. The whole point of it is that it's not a club and doesn't come with that baggage. It's open to all riders of all models and of all skill and experience levels. We try to offer a variety of rides so everyone has a chance to participate.

Lookin' To Scoot wrote:The OP is a recovering alcoholic. Therefore, in his case meeting at a bar is a big deal. Agree or not, one has to respect a guy for that.

Okay, I somehow missed that before I wrote my "go and moderate or don't drink response." Oops, sorry.

dnpicardy · Post by **dnpicardy** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:02 am

yea, well i am not at prude but pretty sure my recent crash was influenced by booze. i was telling my story to an old guy in the neighborhood and his immediate response was, "were you drinking?' i responded that i had a couple of beers and he said that's all it takes, that's the instant or second you fail to react or miss a detail...when under the influence.

Vic · Post by **Vic** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:36 am

I no longer drink. Period. Our rides usually go to bars or involve drinking-even activities that do not involve riding involve drinking.

I have enough of an incentive to not drink (in short even cough syrup was enough to screw things up bad enough for a hospital admission this spring) that it is not too difficult for me anymore to just order a Dr Pepper and be happy with that. My friends know that I absolutely can not drink and nothing is ever said about it, and when we have had events hosted by various folks they go out of their way to make sure the fridge is adequately stocked with Dr Pepper just for me.

A few years ago, however, before I had reached this point in my life...no, I would not have been able to pass and this type of socializing would not have been an option for me.

Know your limits, know what your tolerances are and make choices accordingly.

It has also been my experience that drinking is a big part of scooter culture. In many ways it feels a lot like college. Rallies around here seem to also involve alcohol, and some even seem to revolve around drinking. So, pick what is appropriate for you as an individual and don't put yourself into situations that are not going to work for you.

Cheers,
-v

jasondavis48108 · Post by **jasondavis48108** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:47 am

Hey Vic, I went through that period where I couldn't be anywhere near booze as well, so i know exactly what your talkin about. I've been booze free for over ten years now since my last relapse and at this point in my life I want absolutly nothing to do with the stuff (so long as I'm not super stressed or depressed) so It's not a matter of being worried about drinkin again. I've even had friends call me for a ride home from the bar or a party when they drank way more than they realized. I'm always glad to give them a lift and they always know to call me cause I'll be sober all weekend

I think for me, it's just that i get know enjoyment out of watching other people drink, especially if they may injure themselves in the process. For me, it just makes me very sad and so its best to just avoid the whole thing all together. I totally agree though that you need to understand where your at and know what you can and can't handle.

Vic · Post by **Vic** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:34 am

By the way, I notice you are in That State Up North, if you ever find yourself coming to Buckeye Country for a rally or something, let me know and maybe we can meet up!

Solitude is nice, but friends are fun too and I usually try to find something else to do once the drinking begins in earnest.

-v (Guess who drank coffee after work this evening

tomorrow is going to seriously suck)

ScooterDave · Post by **ScooterDave** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:16 pm

TVB wrote:
ScooterDave wrote:Just because you want to hang out with me ...
Now, don't you go worrying yourself about that.

That means you will not be one of the cool kids and get to wear one of these.

ScooterDave · Post by **ScooterDave** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:33 pm

TVB wrote:
ScooterDave wrote:No, clubs are exclusionary on purpose.
Not every club is intended to be exclusionary. Some people actually want to meet other new people. (Strange, but true.) Some scooter clubs are open to all comers, and as long as you ride something resembling a scooter and aren't a menace to the other riders, you're welcome. Even if some people in the club don't particularly like you. (Much like this message board.)

Sorry, I have never heard of the "I am lonely, will you be my friend? Scooter Club".

The point of all this is that you can not waltz into an existing scooter club and say, "Hi, I am new here. I want to be in your club but, you can no longer meet at bars."

It is the same as joining the VFW and telling them they can no longer serve beer at their fish frys.

I will tell you this... If you decide to join a certain club and you become an established member, any club worth its weight will make certain accommodations for one of its members.

Yes, rallies involve copious amounts of alcohol. The Vulcans are supplying 5 kegs to the Dayton Roll in the hay rally next month. If that is not your thing then don't go.

Seems pretty simple to me.

p.s. I think you can do better with the cheap shots. I have always been a fan of "Up your nose with a rubber hose." or "I know you are. But, what am I?"

Drumwoulf · Post by **Drumwoulf** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:37 pm

Some folks can drink safely, others can't.
I ride with a meet-up club that never even considers they have to drink alcohol to add to the fun, and that's okay with me.
Being an ex-drunk myself, I have absolutely no problem with other people drinking. Who am I to judge others lives?
AFAIC if it doesn't affect me, it's really none of my business!

If it does affect me however (like riding with people who are "high" and thereby impaired in their judgements and ability),
I'll drop out of the group and not continue to ride along with them.
It's got nothing to do with them, it's all about me protecting myself adequately in the situation...

Hey, I far too often almost killed myself as a drunk; -I definitely don't need other drunks to do it for me now!

MrsLatch · Post by **MrsLatch** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:43 pm

7 hills meet at a restaurant that has a bar, some people eat, some people drink, and people like me talk as much as possible

and on the subject of skins, I just watched This is England saturday. I love the original skin culture, the working class thing, I wish hatred hadn't got tangled up with name. I love the whole idea of sharp, I understand its skin heads against racial prejudice, but all the ones I know and in all my research (yes im that dorky). It isnt just racism they hate homophobia, sexism, racism, etc. But im not an expert, and no group is all the same

ScooterDave · Post by **ScooterDave** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:59 pm

The whole SHARP thing is lame. Being a skinhead had absolutely NOTHING to do politics, racism or anything like that. People on all sides (National Front, WAR, SHARP, RASH or whatever) have turned it into that and it is a shame.

I always had to laugh when I saw a new crop of skinheads pop up over the years claiming to be this or that or saying they stood for this. They had no idea what they are talking about. SHARP or Nazi, that is not what it means to be skin.

It is all about the Spirit of 69.

TVB · Post by **TVB** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:06 pm

ScooterDave wrote:The point of all this is that you can not waltz into an existing scooter club and say, "Hi, I am new here. I want to be in your club but, you can no longer meet at bars."

Well, since no one said anything like that, one wonders what exactly you found so threatening.

jasondavis48108 · Post by **jasondavis48108** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:15 pm

I think "the whole SHARP thing" was a direct response to the ignorant masses that saw Donaugh or geraldo and thought all skins were boneheads. I was a skin and a SHARP for quite awhile, but I too grew sick of all the polotics. Skinheads didn't start out as some sort of race hate group and they shouldn't have to prove to the world that they arn't racist by creating organizations like the SHARPs. Unfortunatley, most of the SHARPs I knew were way more dedicated to being ultra left wing anti-racists and far less dedicated to being skins and upholding the values that folks like me associate with skins like loyalty to your crew and having one anothers back. It doesn't really matter anymore as the vast majority of skins in this country are now boneheads like the Hammer skins and I don't want any part of that crap. I because a suede head math teacher and I'm just fine with that. I even gave all my old flight, patches, and braces to this kid whose just getting into skinhead culture. Sometimes my house gets to looking like a retirement home for aging trads and no pos

ScooterDave · Post by **ScooterDave** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:34 pm

jasondavis48108 wrote:I think "the whole SHARP thing" was a direct response to the ignorant masses that saw Donaugh or geraldo and thought all skins were boneheads. I was a skin and a SHARP for quite awhile, but I too grew sick of all the polotics. Skinheads didn't start out as some sort of race hate group and they shouldn't have to prove to the world that they arn't racist by creating organizations like the SHARPs. Unfortunatley, most of the SHARPs I knew were way more dedicated to being ultra left wing anti-racists and far less dedicated to being skins and upholding the values that folks like me associate with skins like loyalty to your crew and having one anothers back. It doesn't really matter anymore as the vast majority of skins in this country are now boneheads like the Hammer skins and I don't want any part of that crap. I because a suede head math teacher and I'm just fine with that. I even gave all my old flight, patches, and braces to this kid whose just getting into skinhead culture. Sometimes my house gets to looking like a retirement home for aging trads and no pos

I hung out with Marcus Sharp back in the 80's and understand why he started it. It just morphed into something that took a life of its own. To me, it turned into something that had nothing about being a skinhead.

ScooterDave · Post by **ScooterDave** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:41 pm

TVB wrote:
ScooterDave wrote:The point of all this is that you can not waltz into an existing scooter club and say, "Hi, I am new here. I want to be in your club but, you can no longer meet at bars."
Well, since no one said anything like that, one wonders what exactly you found so threatening.

Ok. That made no sense to me. There is only one thing that I feel threatened by. That is roving groups of midgets with socks of pennys.

jasondavis48108 · Post by **jasondavis48108** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:47 pm

You'll get no disagreement from me on that one. One of my friends and I got out at about the same time. It got to the point around here where if you didn't worship Marx they didn't consider you a real SHARP. I thought to myself, Since when did being a skin mean you had to be a commie? Anyway, now I don't have anything to do with any formal group so I don't have to worry about it. I was just suprised that there were any SHARPs left. I do have to say that I still get seriously pissed off when folks ask me if I'm a damn Nazi, If I were to sterotype them the way they do me I'd get all kinds of sh*t for it. One time I got so pissed off I decided to tell them yes, that indeed I was a nazi, the look on thier face was priceless, I then asked them if they thought I was really a Nazi what answer did they expect to get?

TVB · Post by **TVB** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:47 pm

ScooterDave wrote:That made no sense to me.

I'll add it to the list.

ScooterDave wrote:There is only one thing that I feel threatened by.

Yeah, just keep telling yourself that.

Lookin' To Scoot · Post by **Lookin' To Scoot** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:55 pm

ScooterDave wrote:That means you will not be one of the cool kids and get to wear one of these.

And these two 60 year old kids are so proud of it, they both put on sweaters to cover up the t-shirts. That's beyond cool.

ScooterDave · Post by **ScooterDave** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:12 pm

Lookin' To Scoot wrote:And these two 60 year old kids are so proud of it, they both put on sweaters to cover up the t-shirts. That's beyond cool.

Brent & Sharon are not close to 60 & they are cool kids with a nice collection of Vespa's including a pristine smallframe. If you would prefer, here is Bonegirl & myself. She is without a doubt one of the coolest kids around.

djelliott · Post by **djelliott** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:17 pm

Am I the only one here that gets scooterdave's sense of humor? I guess it might be because he reminds me of the people I hang out with all the time. There's a little light ribbing going on here and it seems some folks are taking things a bit to serious.

Lookin' To Scoot · Post by **Lookin' To Scoot** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:56 pm

djelliott wrote:Am I the only one here that gets scooterdave's sense of humor?

Probably.

djelliott wrote:There's a little light ribbing going on here and it seems some folks are taking things a bit to serious.

+1 (or would that be +2 to convey agreement with both parts of the sentence?)

gr8dog · Post by **gr8dog** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:13 am

djelliott wrote:Am I the only one here that gets scooterdave's sense of humor?

I don't know, when he says something funny, I'll see if i get it.

Now that is a little light ribbing.

See below for my usual progression of facial expressions while reading threads with lots of ScooterDave comments.

djelliott · Post by **djelliott** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:52 am

gr8dog wrote:
djelliott wrote:Am I the only one here that gets scooterdave's sense of humor?
I don't know, when he says something funny, I'll see if i get it.

Now that is a little light ribbing.

See below for my usual progression of facial expressions while reading threads with lots of ScooterDave comments.

Must be an Ohio thing. We tend to have a brash sense of humor around these parts. You should see the facebook posts that go back and forth between me and my best friends everyday. A casual bystander would think we were enemies. Believe me, we are on the floor laughing.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:00 am

djelliott wrote:Am I the only one here that gets scooterdave's sense of humor? I guess it might be because he reminds me of the people I hang out with all the time. There's a little light ribbing going on here and it seems some folks are taking things a bit to serious.

Maybe it's a midwest thing then (I'm from Indiana) as I find myself chuckling at many of his posts. Agree with him or not, he's definitely real and tells you what he thinks. Perhaps some folks are just too hypersensitive at times.

Rob

SteMer · Post by **SteMer** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:37 am

djelliott wrote:Am I the only one here that gets scooterdave's sense of humor? I guess it might be because he reminds me of the people I hang out with all the time. There's a little light ribbing going on here and it seems some folks are taking things a bit to serious.

I was wondering when someone would be the voice of reason here. While it's funny at times to read how worked up some people get, it's a good idea to remind people of his very dry sense of humor.

ScooterDave wrote:

By the way, Dave, when do the "I visited ScooterDave in the ICU" shirts come out?

naptime · Post by **naptime** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:38 am

it MUST be a midwest thing..

i find dave to be rude and egotistical. and yet. .so down to earth

i've expressed my distaste for dave in the past as well.

and after reading his posts for a year now i've come to a conclusion....

i think he's a lot like me.. well, im like him, since i'm nearly half his age..

as much as i THINK i dislike him... truth is, i would probably get along great if we met.

my new favorite dave quote "No, clubs are exclusionary on purpose. Just because you want to hang out with me and my mates does not mean that we want to hang out with you. That is why we have a club."

oh so unbelievably true!

LisaLisa · Post by **LisaLisa** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:55 am

ScooterDave wrote:There is only one thing that I feel threatened by. That is roving groups of midgets with socks of pennys.

Good call Dave. Thanks for the heads up. I will look out for them. They frighten me too. Round here they have quarters because of the new bingo machines. Either way, a clear and present danger.

DJElliot:

Am I the only one here that gets scooterdave's sense of humor?

Well, D, you know me- Obviously I'm with you on this one.

Seriously, as far as the alcohol question, if a person is scrupulously avoiding being around alcohol, he or she will have limited social contact anyway, because probably most adult (over the age of 30) casual gatherings take place in venues where alcohol is available. That's just the way it is. However, those of us "of a certain age" don't give a rat's azz what anyone is drinking, and don't pressure people one way or the other. Not everyone drinks in bars- and as long as you tip the bartenders (at least a buck a serve, no matter what), they are quite happy to give you a soft drink.

jasondavis48108 · Post by **jasondavis48108** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:59 am

LisaLisa, you are absolutly right, most adult folks in this country do like to drink and meet in places where alcohol in the main event. Luckily I'm a mathematician so it gives me a far better excuse to avoid these events other than I'm an introverted alcoholic. The main problem is that the more free time I have the more I read and the less I like being around other humans. Luckily my job requires at least some amount of human contact (I'm a math instructor) otherwise I'd probably forget how to actualy speak to people

I thought maybe I could meet some folks through the scooter thing, but thats not going to work out. I'm actually more than o.k. with that as I don't really like meeting new people. I think its more other folks trying to convince me that I should meet new people. I rather like being by myself or with the few folks (very few) I have known for long enough that they value my friendship enough to not drink around me. One of these wise people once told me that if you have one true friend, you are truely blessed. If you think you have two true friends you are a fool. I like scooters, and I like talking about scooters at a distance with the folks on this forum, but after discussing group rides and clubs and what not with all the folks in this post I know that actually meeting other scooterists is definitly not my thing. Hopefully those who do feel that this is important to them will be able to find a club that they fit into, I for one have learned that I want no part of it.

Modern Buddy

whats up with scooter clubs and alcohol?

booze and ridin'