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Upgrade opinion...
I'm looking to improve performance (not just speed) on my 125, but I don't have enough $$ to do it all (161 kit, new head, variator, sliders, springs, clutch, exhaust). I would love to hear what you guys think gets you the most bang for your buck.
I'm mostly a city rider but would like to get it out on the road some, if that helps any.
Thanks a lot.
I'm mostly a city rider but would like to get it out on the road some, if that helps any.
Thanks a lot.
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Dr Pulley sliders. Weight depends on your riding conditions and weight, but many people are happy with 11g. You'll want the 18x14 size.
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Yep, you'll get about 90% of what you're looking for from that. Wait till the newness wears off of that before proceeding further (the next mods will be much more expensive than $25-30).
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I was looking at keeping the bill to ~$200 or under, so I am open to doing more than just a $25 mod. I just know that my full list is rather expensive.Lostmycage wrote:Yep, you'll get about 90% of what you're looking for from that. Wait till the newness wears off of that before proceeding further (the next mods will be much more expensive than $25-30).
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Re: Upgrade opinion...
Take the remainder of your budget and go to town!
In order of bang per buck (keep in mind, this is a highly subjective...erm... subject):
Sliders
CDI (and iridium plug)
Ported, polished and matched head
161 kit
exhaust
variator
clutch
springs
This list assumes you're not paying for labor (DIY) and doesn't take into account for difficulty level. It's just BpB. Have fun!
In order of bang per buck (keep in mind, this is a highly subjective...erm... subject):
Sliders
CDI (and iridium plug)
Ported, polished and matched head
161 kit
exhaust
variator
clutch
springs
This list assumes you're not paying for labor (DIY) and doesn't take into account for difficulty level. It's just BpB. Have fun!
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Re: Upgrade opinion...
I'd do this list in a different order.Lostmycage wrote:Take the remainder of your budget and go to town!
In order of bang per buck (keep in mind, this is a highly subjective...erm... subject):
Sliders
CDI (and iridium plug)
Ported, polished and matched head
161 kit
exhaust
variator
clutch
springs
This list assumes you're not paying for labor (DIY) and doesn't take into account for difficulty level. It's just BpB. Have fun!
Sliders
CDI/Coil/Plug
Variator
Clutch Springs
Exhaust
Head
161 kit
clutch
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I should have qualified that a little better. I listed in that order to avoid having to buy any one component twice (roller/slider excluded). The head and kit should go on at the same time, no sense in doing the work twice plus you want to have the cylinder to match ports to.
But for the money involved in each, I still think they give the biggest BpB in that order. If variators (good ones) were cheaper, I might be inclined to change that order - but they're not.
But for the money involved in each, I still think they give the biggest BpB in that order. If variators (good ones) were cheaper, I might be inclined to change that order - but they're not.
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The Bando CDI/Coil set that Autotech355 sells on eBay are an awesome set.PasadenaSue wrote:Since I'm a bit out of my knowledge base here, which CDI, coil and plug would you recommend for a 125/161?
And any preferences on variators?
Otherwise I'll just be surfing the net looking for options.
Thanks!!
I've also got an MRP adjustable timing CDI that I'll be testing once I rebuild my engine
Dr Pulley variators are awesome, though there are others that fit as well.
Any of the long ramp (115mm) variators should be a noticeable improvement.
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I have done no mechanical mods. I am waiting for my warranty to expire in August so I must defer to the experts. Should the belt be replaced if the variator is changed?
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The prima exhaust at scooter works.
http://www.scooterworks.com/Performance ... 65C495.cfm
Quote "Made by Prima, this super high quality stainless steel pipe is engineered just for the Buddy 125. "
Will this also fit my 150, or is there another pipe that I am overlooking?
http://www.scooterworks.com/Performance ... 65C495.cfm
Quote "Made by Prima, this super high quality stainless steel pipe is engineered just for the Buddy 125. "
Will this also fit my 150, or is there another pipe that I am overlooking?
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Is that something that works on the 150 as well? I was thinking about the sliders and CDI/coil on both scooters. Is there a how-to on replacing those parts anywhere on MB? I looked around and couldn't find anything.Kaos wrote:The Bando CDI/Coil set that Autotech355 sells on eBay are an awesome set.PasadenaSue wrote:Since I'm a bit out of my knowledge base here, which CDI, coil and plug would you recommend for a 125/161?
And any preferences on variators?
Otherwise I'll just be surfing the net looking for options.
Thanks!!
I've also got an MRP adjustable timing CDI that I'll be testing once I rebuild my engine
Dr Pulley variators are awesome, though there are others that fit as well.
Any of the long ramp (115mm) variators should be a noticeable improvement.
My wife rides the 150, and she is 110 lbs. Should I stay with Dr. Pulley 11g weights, or should I change?
Good luck on getting your engine back together Kaos.
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Works on the 150 as well. I've got one.nateandcourt wrote:The prima exhaust at scooter works.
http://www.scooterworks.com/Performance ... 65C495.cfm
Quote "Made by Prima, this super high quality stainless steel pipe is engineered just for the Buddy 125. "
Will this also fit my 150, or is there another pipe that I am overlooking?
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Yep, with the exception of big-bore kits/pistons, everything that fits the 125 also fits the 150 and vice-versa.cheez37 wrote:Is that something that works on the 150 as well? I was thinking about the sliders and CDI/coil on both scooters. Is there a how-to on replacing those parts anywhere on MB? I looked around and couldn't find anything.Kaos wrote:The Bando CDI/Coil set that Autotech355 sells on eBay are an awesome set.PasadenaSue wrote:Since I'm a bit out of my knowledge base here, which CDI, coil and plug would you recommend for a 125/161?
And any preferences on variators?
Otherwise I'll just be surfing the net looking for options.
Thanks!!
I've also got an MRP adjustable timing CDI that I'll be testing once I rebuild my engine
Dr Pulley variators are awesome, though there are others that fit as well.
Any of the long ramp (115mm) variators should be a noticeable improvement.
My wife rides the 150, and she is 110 lbs. Should I stay with Dr. Pulley 11g weights, or should I change?
Good luck on getting your engine back together Kaos.
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Re: Upgrade opinion...
On the last day of Scooterworks sale, I bought a Prima Exhaust, Kevlar Belt, Sliders, 1k Clutch Springs, and 1k Main Spring, and a few other odds and ends to get me to $300 (new tire, oil filters) for the 25% off. I also ordered the Dr. Pulley Variator from buggypartsnw. Total damages for everything was about $330 - not too shabby! Anyways, I basically have everything on your list before the head and kit - except the CDI/Coil/Plug. Do you have any more information on this ? Ease of install, benefits, etc ?Kaos wrote: I'd do this list in a different order.
Sliders
CDI/Coil/Plug
Variator
Clutch Springs
Exhaust
Head
161 kit
clutch
Is this the one you were referring to ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Racing-C ... 1942wt_733
If so, $50 shipped isn't too bad for an upgrade that you put way at the top of your list!
Also, I was curious if you, or anyone on here really, has any experience with this clutch off of buggyparts:
http://buggypartsnw.com/home?page=shop. ... gory_id=12
It's so deeply discounted, I'm tempted to buy it just to see if it works, but, no sense wasting $30 if someone knows for a fact that it won't.
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Re: Upgrade opinion...
Yep, that'd be the coil/CDI I'm talking about.taishar wrote:On the last day of Scooterworks sale, I bought a Prima Exhaust, Kevlar Belt, Sliders, 1k Clutch Springs, and 1k Main Spring, and a few other odds and ends to get me to $300 (new tire, oil filters) for the 25% off. I also ordered the Dr. Pulley Variator from buggypartsnw. Total damages for everything was about $330 - not too shabby! Anyways, I basically have everything on your list before the head and kit - except the CDI/Coil/Plug. Do you have any more information on this ? Ease of install, benefits, etc ?Kaos wrote: I'd do this list in a different order.
Sliders
CDI/Coil/Plug
Variator
Clutch Springs
Exhaust
Head
161 kit
clutch
Is this the one you were referring to ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Racing-C ... 1942wt_733
If so, $50 shipped isn't too bad for an upgrade that you put way at the top of your list!
Also, I was curious if you, or anyone on here really, has any experience with this clutch off of buggyparts:
http://buggypartsnw.com/home?page=shop. ... gory_id=12
It's so deeply discounted, I'm tempted to buy it just to see if it works, but, no sense wasting $30 if someone knows for a fact that it won't.
I've not tried that clutch but give Mike at Buggypartsnw a email, I can tell you from personal experience he's awesome at supporting his customers!
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Re: Upgrade opinion...
Great find taishar! I ordered a CDI/coil myself from that link. Let me know what Mike says. I'm interested in that clutch as well.Kaos wrote:Yep, that'd be the coil/CDI I'm talking about.taishar wrote:On the last day of Scooterworks sale, I bought a Prima Exhaust, Kevlar Belt, Sliders, 1k Clutch Springs, and 1k Main Spring, and a few other odds and ends to get me to $300 (new tire, oil filters) for the 25% off. I also ordered the Dr. Pulley Variator from buggypartsnw. Total damages for everything was about $330 - not too shabby! Anyways, I basically have everything on your list before the head and kit - except the CDI/Coil/Plug. Do you have any more information on this ? Ease of install, benefits, etc ?Kaos wrote: I'd do this list in a different order.
Sliders
CDI/Coil/Plug
Variator
Clutch Springs
Exhaust
Head
161 kit
clutch
Is this the one you were referring to ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Racing-C ... 1942wt_733
If so, $50 shipped isn't too bad for an upgrade that you put way at the top of your list!
Also, I was curious if you, or anyone on here really, has any experience with this clutch off of buggyparts:
http://buggypartsnw.com/home?page=shop. ... gory_id=12
It's so deeply discounted, I'm tempted to buy it just to see if it works, but, no sense wasting $30 if someone knows for a fact that it won't.
I've not tried that clutch but give Mike at Buggypartsnw a email, I can tell you from personal experience he's awesome at supporting his customers!
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Re: Upgrade opinion...
Cool, I sent off an email to buggypartsnw today, so I'm just waiting to hear back from them. When I do, I'll be sure to copy their response into this thread. Once you get the CDI/Coil, would you mind giving me a headsup on how easy/difficult it was to install ? Also, curious about it's performance enhancement. A review would be sweet if you could manage it!cheez37 wrote: Great find taishar! I ordered a CDI/coil myself from that link. Let me know what Mike says. I'm interested in that clutch as well.
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Wilco. I'll take some pictures and post them. I don't think it will take too long. I'll do the best I can on posting a review. I've only had a scooter for a month, and this will be my first performance mod. I'll do the best I can on the review.taishar wrote:Cool, I sent off an email to buggypartsnw today, so I'm just waiting to hear back from them. When I do, I'll be sure to copy their response into this thread. Once you get the CDI/Coil, would you mind giving me a headsup on how easy/difficult it was to install ? Also, curious about it's performance enhancement. A review would be sweet if you could manage it!cheez37 wrote: Great find taishar! I ordered a CDI/coil myself from that link. Let me know what Mike says. I'm interested in that clutch as well.
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Mike responded very quickly! I'm amazed at buggypartsnw.com. Their prices are great, they shipped unbelievably quick (quicker even than scooterworks!) and he answered my question at 9pm eastern time, only 3 hours after I sent it.
Hi Daniel,
Measure your stock clutch - this one is 122mm outer diameter (the inside diameter of the bell should be 125mm). I'm pretty sure it will work on the Buddy as people have purchased the Dr Pulley clutch (which is the same size) for their Buddy's.
Regards,
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Yeah, Mike is awesome, and knows his stuff tootaishar wrote:Mike responded very quickly! I'm amazed at buggypartsnw.com. Their prices are great, they shipped unbelievably quick (quicker even than scooterworks!) and he answered my question at 9pm eastern time, only 3 hours after I sent it.
Hi Daniel,
Measure your stock clutch - this one is 122mm outer diameter (the inside diameter of the bell should be 125mm). I'm pretty sure it will work on the Buddy as people have purchased the Dr Pulley clutch (which is the same size) for their Buddy's.
Regards,
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www.buggypartsnw.com
sales@buggypartsnw.com
503-860-7250
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Great. Looks like I may buy one.Kaos wrote:Yeah, Mike is awesome, and knows his stuff tootaishar wrote:Mike responded very quickly! I'm amazed at buggypartsnw.com. Their prices are great, they shipped unbelievably quick (quicker even than scooterworks!) and he answered my question at 9pm eastern time, only 3 hours after I sent it.
Hi Daniel,
Measure your stock clutch - this one is 122mm outer diameter (the inside diameter of the bell should be 125mm). I'm pretty sure it will work on the Buddy as people have purchased the Dr Pulley clutch (which is the same size) for their Buddy's.
Regards,
Michael Baird
Owner - Buggy Parts NW
www.buggypartsnw.com
sales@buggypartsnw.com
503-860-7250
Now I need to buy springs. There was a suggestion that I get a 1000 RPM main spring and 1500 arm springs. I know that the higher the main spring, the higher the acceleration, but lower top end. Does that hold true for the clutch arm springs as well?
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I could probably swing something about that It might be a little bit, as I'm a bit busy rebuilding my motor but I'll try to get one up there asapbgwss wrote:Kaos it would be great if you had a write up on CDI/Coil/Plug on your website as I am ignorant on this upgrade. Benefits and what it exactly does.
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My coil is on the way if you want me to do write up few other parts as wellKaos wrote:I could probably swing something about that It might be a little bit, as I'm a bit busy rebuilding my motor but I'll try to get one up there asapbgwss wrote:Kaos it would be great if you had a write up on CDI/Coil/Plug on your website as I am ignorant on this upgrade. Benefits and what it exactly does.
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That'd be awesome, I'll post it up on Voodoo-buddy.com.ScooterTrash wrote:My coil is on the way if you want me to do write up few other parts as wellKaos wrote:I could probably swing something about that It might be a little bit, as I'm a bit busy rebuilding my motor but I'll try to get one up there asapbgwss wrote:Kaos it would be great if you had a write up on CDI/Coil/Plug on your website as I am ignorant on this upgrade. Benefits and what it exactly does.
Its been quite a while since I did them, so your perspective would be much fresher.
Though I've got a timing-adjustable CDI ready to go in when I get the bike running again. And I ordered a high compression piston from Akunar today.
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You guys rock. Since that other auction sold out, ebay directed me to what it thought was a similiar item:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... 2947wt_802
Is this the same thing ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... 2947wt_802
Is this the same thing ?
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Let the Voodoo commenceScooterTrash wrote:My coil is on the way if you want me to do write up few other parts as wellKaos wrote:I could probably swing something about that It might be a little bit, as I'm a bit busy rebuilding my motor but I'll try to get one up there asapbgwss wrote:Kaos it would be great if you had a write up on CDI/Coil/Plug on your website as I am ignorant on this upgrade. Benefits and what it exactly does.
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Yep, that should be the same part.taishar wrote:You guys rock. Since that other auction sold out, ebay directed me to what it thought was a similiar item:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... 2947wt_802
Is this the same thing ?
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I will be earning my Voodoo patch soon!bgwss wrote:Let the Voodoo commence
CDI/coil, 11g sliders, clutch, and springs (1000 RPM main/1500 Clutch arm) are on order. Hopefully they come in tomorrow so I can tinker all weekend. (For any city dwellers, feeder roads on Sat/Sun mornings are great test-run zones - no one is on them and you get long runs to test top speed.)
Thanks to everyone for all of the advice on what to upgrade. Any more tuning suggestions are greatly appreciated,.
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If you've got the budget left over. The 161 kit just spiked to the top of the BpB list I mentioned earlier. It's $70 off during their sale.cheez37 wrote: Thanks to everyone for all of the advice on what to upgrade. Any more tuning suggestions are greatly appreciated,.
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Nope, no more money to steal from the piggybank. I would have loved to get a Dr. Pully variator and just completely upgrade the tranny, but don't have the budget for that either. I'll just have to wait until next time.Lostmycage wrote:If you've got the budget left over. The 161 kit just spiked to the top of the BpB list I mentioned earlier. It's $70 off during their sale.cheez37 wrote: Thanks to everyone for all of the advice on what to upgrade. Any more tuning suggestions are greatly appreciated,.
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The upgrades have been done! Here's what I finally decided on:
- CDI & coil
- 11g Dr. Pulley sliders
- 1000 RPM contra
- 1500 RPM clutch springs
- Upgraded clutch
Acceleration has improved, especially at the low end. I can get up to 50 mph indicated in no time. Still a little slow getting above that (as expected), but top speed has increased to 65-67 mph indicated (+3-5 mph).
Overall I'm pretty happy. The only thing I am not sure about is that even at idle, there is enough power to the rear wheel to make it spin. Its not enough to move me while I am sitting on the scooter but I can certainly feel the push while I am stopped and on the rear brake.
Anybody have comments for me? Any and all feedback is greatly appreciated in advancing my voodoo education.
- CDI & coil
- 11g Dr. Pulley sliders
- 1000 RPM contra
- 1500 RPM clutch springs
- Upgraded clutch
Acceleration has improved, especially at the low end. I can get up to 50 mph indicated in no time. Still a little slow getting above that (as expected), but top speed has increased to 65-67 mph indicated (+3-5 mph).
Overall I'm pretty happy. The only thing I am not sure about is that even at idle, there is enough power to the rear wheel to make it spin. Its not enough to move me while I am sitting on the scooter but I can certainly feel the push while I am stopped and on the rear brake.
Anybody have comments for me? Any and all feedback is greatly appreciated in advancing my voodoo education.
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Sounds like the clutch is hitting the bell, it shouldn't be noticeable when you are on the brakes. It should stop once the clutch is broken in, the clearances are a bit tight at first.cheez37 wrote:Its not enough to move me while I am sitting on the scooter but I can certainly feel the push while I am stopped and on the rear brake.
My tire has spun while on the center stand since day one, completely normal
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I thought that might be completely normal, but its nice to have confirmation.ScooterTrash wrote:Sounds like the clutch is hitting the bell, it shouldn't be noticeable when you are on the brakes. It should stop once the clutch is broken in, the clearances are a bit tight at first.cheez37 wrote:Its not enough to move me while I am sitting on the scooter but I can certainly feel the push while I am stopped and on the rear brake.
My tire has spun while on the center stand since day one, completely normal
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I know, but I am out of upgrade money right now. Another thing is that I am still under warranty, and don't feel like losing it. Finally, and most importantly, I do all of my upgrades myself, but I don't have enough experience to do that one yet. I've only had a scooter for a month and I have a lot to learn. Once I feel confident (and have more $$) I'll take on the cylinder and head upgrades.gearhead wrote:get the 161 kit! it's only $149.99 on scooterworks right now.
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That's awesome! What's the stock roller weight on a buddy?cheez37 wrote:The upgrades have been done! Here's what I finally decided on:
- CDI & coil
- 11g Dr. Pulley sliders
- 1000 RPM contra
- 1500 RPM clutch springs
- Upgraded clutch
Acceleration has improved, especially at the low end. I can get up to 50 mph indicated in no time. Still a little slow getting above that (as expected), but top speed has increased to 65-67 mph indicated (+3-5 mph).
Overall I'm pretty happy. The only thing I am not sure about is that even at idle, there is enough power to the rear wheel to make it spin. Its not enough to move me while I am sitting on the scooter but I can certainly feel the push while I am stopped and on the rear brake.
Anybody have comments for me? Any and all feedback is greatly appreciated in advancing my voodoo education.
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The stock rollers are 11.5g.laxer wrote:That's awesome! What's the stock roller weight on a buddy?cheez37 wrote:The upgrades have been done! Here's what I finally decided on:
- CDI & coil
- 11g Dr. Pulley sliders
- 1000 RPM contra
- 1500 RPM clutch springs
- Upgraded clutch
Acceleration has improved, especially at the low end. I can get up to 50 mph indicated in no time. Still a little slow getting above that (as expected), but top speed has increased to 65-67 mph indicated (+3-5 mph).
Overall I'm pretty happy. The only thing I am not sure about is that even at idle, there is enough power to the rear wheel to make it spin. Its not enough to move me while I am sitting on the scooter but I can certainly feel the push while I am stopped and on the rear brake.
Anybody have comments for me? Any and all feedback is greatly appreciated in advancing my voodoo education.
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CDI/Coil now cheaper on eBay - $29.99 plus free shipping. That's a good price. There are two sales going on.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Racing-C ... 1880wt_792
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Racing-C ... 1880wt_792