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scootERIK
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty uneventful 5k. Only had to change tires, oil, and rollers. Plus, I greased my side stand, it's nice and smooth now.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So good to see that the scoot' is still treating you so well.
Could you share the kind of riding that you are doing to gather your miles in such a short time frame? Do you ride to work ~50 miles a day on back roads? Do you go on many rides for pleasure? Are you collecting many highway miles? Is the scoot' on its third engine?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GregsBuddy wrote:
So good to see that the scoot' is still treating you so well.
Could you share the kind of riding that you are doing to gather your miles in such a short time frame? Do you ride to work ~50 miles a day on back roads? Do you go on many rides for pleasure? Are you collecting many highway miles? Is the scoot' on its third engine?
Thanks!


When it's warm out I use the scooter as my main form of transportation. I also just go out for rides for fun or to explore. I often will do 200+ mile trips on the weekend, I recently did a 350 mile trip. Where I live about the shortest good ride is 45 miles and a lot of the better rides are 90-150 miles. Plus a trip to the store is 20-30 miles.

July, August, and September are the best months for scooting in Wisconsin so I do my best to take advantage of every good day. If it's 70+ degrees on Saturday or Sunday I am going to be out riding. Fall has started so it is already starting to get cool here so I won't be putting on as many miles.

I try to stick to back roads, but many of the back roads are 55mph speed zones so I am running wide open a lot of the time. I will use highways too when I need to get somewhere quickly.

This is the 4th engine. The 1st on failed at 44k, the 2nd one started to rattle at ~60k, the 3rd engine was a loner from my other Buddy 125 that go me to 73k(this motor was still reinstalled in my other Buddy, it is still running.) The current motor(no. 4) got me to 80k and it seems to be a good strong motor.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With no "external" or "errors" problems by you (sorry, we all make errors like letting oil get low or not adjusting valves, etc. in maintenance, I don't mean to be at all negative) would the first engine have gone longer? Or was it spent?
Your experience is in alignment with mine. I ride quite a bit at 45-60 MPH, indicated. With regular oil changes the scoot' is at 14,500 and shows very little signs of wear, not even oil usage.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where do you get the replacement engines and about how much do you pay for them?

Billy

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iwannascoot wrote:
Where do you get the replacement engines and about how much do you pay for them?

Billy


I’ve bought several for next to nothing. Usually I buy a non running bike due to a carb clog or something. Keep the engine and part the rest out making all my money back. Just got a 170 a couple weeks ago.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GregsBuddy wrote:
With no "external" or "errors" problems by you (sorry, we all make errors like letting oil get low or not adjusting valves, etc. in maintenance, I don't mean to be at all negative) would the first engine have gone longer? Or was it spent?
Your experience is in alignment with mine. I ride quite a bit at 45-60 MPH, indicated. With regular oil changes the scoot' is at 14,500 and shows very little signs of wear, not even oil usage.
Thanks!!


There might have been a few things that made it wear out faster, but from all the reading I have done it seems like the piston rings fail between 40-50k. If I would have replaced the piston and rings between 35-40k* there is a chance the engine would have ran for a lot longer. I have most of the parts to rebuild the first motor so it may live again.



*By 40k I was burning a lot of oil and it would get dirty really fast.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am just about to turn over 35,000 miles on my 2012 170i and based on scootERIK's experience I have been curious to see it holds up. Our riding usage seems pretty similar, mine is daily 40-50 miles most rural 40-60 MPH roads when its above 30F (usually mid-march through late-October) with the occasional 100-200 mile county weekend ride. My annual ride out to the Mississippi through the Wisconsin Driftless Area is about 300 miles round trip.

So far I have not had to add oil between 1500 mile changes, but since about 30,000 miles I have noticed the level has started to drop form full to near add the dipstick over the 1500 miles. Its not enough that I'm worried but I will continue to watch it.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent. That's what I would expect from a good quality, air-cooled four stroke engine. It appears that keeping good quality oil, changed at ~1,500 mile intervals is the key. In other words, follow the Genuine (PGO) Service Manual.
With a new piston, rings and wrist pin at ~45K, the engine could go another 35-40K.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to start another oil discussion here, but:

What viscosity oil are you guys using?

And are you using dino oil or synthetic?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

10-40 RedLine or Motul Synthetic.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fried okra wrote:
Not to start another oil discussion here, but:

What viscosity oil are you guys using?

And are you using dino oil or synthetic?

fried okra


15w-40 dino oil, Shell Rotella T4. I have used it since the beginning, it seems like good oil and it is pretty cheap.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used Shell Rotella dino oil during the break miles and for the first oil change after break in. Since about 2000 miles I have been running Mobile 1 synthetic, 10w-40 in the cold months and 20w-50 during the main summer months.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

4,000 more miles with no real issues. More tires and oil changes. I am experimenting with a #95 main jet in the carb to see if I can get a little more color on the plug. So far there haven't been any negative issues so I think I will leave it in. I also put some new rollers in, Dr. Pulley brand.

Before changing my rear tire I went out to do a few burnouts to finish the tire off but I overestimated how much tread was left on the tire so I ended up riding ~2.5 miles home on a flat tire after it wore through on my second burnout. But I did record a pretty decent burnout so it was worth it.

Video of the first burnout -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEEWxV_atAk


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NICE! Didn't know these things would do that. Never tried it with my 170i.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has been a bad winter in Wisconsin for scooting but it is finally starting to warm up.



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recent oil change and a new rear tire. I put a Kenda K413 130/70-10 on. This is my second time trying the 130/70-10 size tire. I had a lot of trouble setting the bead on this one. Also, the tire was dragging a little on the fender. I was able to push the fender over so it isn't touching, hopefully it will stay in this position.

The 130 is really wide before you put it on the rim.




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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the update.
Just clicked over 15K on my 170i. Just finished breaking in the newly replaced piston and cylinder.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am really enjoying the low gas prices.

As for the scooter another uneventful 1,000 miles.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

k1dude wrote:
I cringed when you posted the 44,444.4 at 4:44pm. That was a very bad omen.

In Chinese, that means death, death, death, death, death, death, at death, death, death.

Guess what?

It died soon after.


I might have a little more luck with this post.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scootERIK wrote:
I might have a little more luck with this post.



MUCH better!!! Whew!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet another bunch of trouble free miles. I did install a new belt and tires. I will be installing new rollers in the next day or two. I have come to the conclusion that I don't like 12 gram rollers. The scooter is just way more fun to ride with 11 grams, better take off and acceleration. I also installed my NCY exhaust but I will be going back to stock when I change tires since I prefer the stock exhaust when doing long rides. But the NCY is a fun exhaust around town and on twisty back roads.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scootERIK wrote:

I don't see 100,000 happening, unless Genuine wants to give me a parts sponsorship then maybe. My big goal is 56,500 miles, then I will have done 50k real miles on it since the odometer is off by about 11%, plus the 942 miles it had on it when I got it(plus some rounding.) But in the mean time I am going for 45,500(=40,000 real miles) then on to 50k.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JettaKnight wrote:
scootERIK wrote:

I don't see 100,000 happening, unless Genuine wants to give me a parts sponsorship then maybe. My big goal is 56,500 miles, then I will have done 50k real miles on it since the odometer is off by about 11%, plus the 942 miles it had on it when I got it(plus some rounding.) But in the mean time I am going for 45,500(=40,000 real miles) then on to 50k.


Very Happy


A lot of wrenching and a few donor scooters later and it's getting close.

I have even started to plan for the next 50k. A lot of things are going to need maintenance and replacement at 100k. New suspension is high on the list of new parts. I might even rebuild the original engine at some point.

But for right now I am on the lookout for another seat, at ~20k this seat is no longer comfortable on long rides.


EDIT: I checked my records and the seat has over 32,000 miles on. 30k is about what I got out of my first seat before it wore out. Luckily I have another seat that only has about 16k on it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This 1,000 miles required a little maintenance some scheduled some not. Over the last few hundred miles the clutch went from making just a little noise to making a lot of noise. I believe that at least one of the bearings has failed*. In hindsight it was probably going for a while but the only symptom was a lurch when taking off but I thought the old rollers or belt were the cause. Luckily I have extra clutches so I installed another and the scooter was as good as it was at 20,000 miles. At some point I need to try and open up one of my bad clutches to see if I can repair them.

I also check the valves. Over 17,000 miles and this engine still hasn't needed the valves adjusted which is awesome. My first engine needed adjustment every ~6k.

With 6,000 miles on the #95 main jet I am very happy with the results. Spark plug always has some color where previously it was white. It also seems to work well with the NCY exhaust, it no longer backfires during deceleration. For reference I live at ~900 feet above sea level.





*You can read about other people with the same issue in this post - http://www.modernbuddy.com/forum/topic16763.html
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