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Installing an LED headlight conversion in a 2008 Buddy.

 
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:50 am    Post subject: Installing an LED headlight conversion in a 2008 Buddy. Reply with quote

This is a how-to for installing an LED headlight conversion suggested by buzzvert and bought from Amazon. The scooter is my 2008 Buddy but should be the same for all Buddy's.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KTXL7FW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
(Note: It appears the vendor of this LED conversion has changed the style of the LED and is selling a different one under the same P/N. I found an exact match to the original style on AliExpress for less money.)

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32958893401.html

NOTE: Coming off the back of the LED itself is a set of braided leads and a black cable. In the pictures showing the LED installed, the black cable is shown on top but in reality the LED should be turned 180 degrees so that the cable is on the bottom. It has to be in that position so that the low beam LED element is facing up and reflecting off the upper portion of the reflector. I accidentally installed it backwards but have since corrected it but didn't retake the pictures.

Each photo will have an explanation but these are the basic steps:

1) Remove headlight surround by removing the single screw at the top.
2) Remove 4 screws located on the bottom instrument bezel securing the upper instrument bezel.
3) Unlock plastic clips securing upper instrument bezel with a flat blade screwdriver.
4) Lift instrument bezel high enough to get your hand or pliers (I used adjustable pliers also known as "Channel Locks") inside to unscrew the speedometer cable from the speedometer.
5) Lift off the upper instrument bezel and let it hang by the electrical cable
6) Unplug the 3-pin headlight cable from the headlight bulb.
7) Pull off the rubber weather guard.
8.) Release the wire clip that secures the headlight bulb to the reflector
9) Remove the one screw on the side of the LED that secures the metal collar as it comes from the box. There is a loose nut behind the collar so be sure to not let it fall to the ground and get lost. My kit had an extra nut and screw in the box but there's no guarantee that all kits have these. This collar will not be used so you can toss it. Save the screw and nut to attach the H4 adapter.
10) Install the 3-tab H4 adapter onto the LED housing making sure the black cable is on the opposite side from the wide tab on the adapter.
11) Install the LED housing into the reflector with the wide tab facing up and secure with the wire clip.
12) I re-installed the rubber weather guard but it can be difficult to get it around the black power module on the LED cable. I sprayed a little silicone lubricant in the hole to help get it over the power module. I wouldn't know but I can imagine this is kind of like a woman trying to past a baby except obviously one can't spray silicone to make it easier, Lol. I hope I don't get in trouble for saying that...
13) Connect the 3-pin LED connector to the 3-pin connector from the Buddy. I secured the connectors with a wire tie just in case.
14) At this point you can start the engine to make sure your new LED headlight is working and check to make sure you've got low beam and high beam and that they are correct (upper LED element lit and bottom one off for low beam, both lit for high beam).
15) Finish up by reinstalling the upper instrument bezel in the reverse order of removal. Don't forget to reconnect the speedometer cable. The threaded collar for the speedometer cable doesn't have to be super tight, just snug is good.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More installation steps.

There are two slots on the LED body, each 180 degrees from each other. These slots are there to retain the nut which helps secure the H4 adapter flange to the LED body.

The spring in the kit is not used.

Don't forget, when mounted, the wide tab and screw on the H4 adapter should be 180 degrees (opposite side) from the black cable coming out the back of the LED body.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even more steps...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Final thoughts.

I realized my mistake with the orientation of the LED body when it was first installed because I was seeing a high beam light pattern when the Hi/Lo beam switch was set to low beam. When I removed the LED body and looked closely at the H4 adapter flange I then realized there were two slots for retaining the mounting nut, each 180 degrees from each other. Dummy.

If I get the energy to take my headlight apart again I'll retake some pictures to update this how-to to make it less confusing. Sorry about that folks.

OK, my final thoughts on this conversion.

First, it's much brighter than the cheap, China bought halogen bulb that was in there.

There is a tiny bit of flickering that I can notice when the engine is at an idle but it isn't bad enough to bother me.

The light pattern isn't too bad, much better than the previous LED conversion I tried about a year ago plus the body of this conversion is small enough to not interfere with the speedometer. Compared to a standard incandescent bulb, there isn't as much spread in the light pattern, probably due to a narrower light source. Less of the reflector is being used thereby a more narrow beam is being thrown out. Still, it isn't bad. The brighter beam will be easier seen by cage drivers.

High beam to me is a little weak but that's OK since I don't use it much.

The H4 adapter can slide a little bit up and down the body of the LED which in turn changes what part of the reflector the light will hit. I may experiment with it to see how it changes the light pattern thrown out.

All in all I think this is a very worthwhile upgrade. The Buddy electrical system seems to be able to handle the load and the price is certainly right.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:09 am    Post subject: LED Headlight Installation Reply with quote

Thanks for the detailed photos and install steps. I was thinking about doing this to my Buddy 170i.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:03 am    Post subject: Buddy LED Headlight installation Reply with quote

Babblefish, I saw your post on the LED headlight installation on your Buddy, so I installed one on my Buddy 170i today. I had some difficulty doing it. First of all, the link you put up for the LED bulb was one that had a fan behind it, however in your instructions, you mention your bulb had braided heat sinks. I am assuming you installed the one with the braided heat sinks. That is what I installed.

I had trouble getting the top cover of the handle bars off, to get access to the headlight bulb, but I finally got it off. I removed the old bulb easily, and installed the new one. I found the heat sink braids pushed up against the speedometer cable, even when I spread them out. It's a tight fit. After I got it all together, I found I had not re installed the rubber moisture seal, so I had to take it apart and redo it again. Reconnecting the speedo cable is difficult unless you get your wife to push the cable up from below, with the front nose cover removed. Anyway, It's all done now, and the light is very bright. But I found I can't adjust the beam because the heat sink braids are pushed against the speedo cable. It was a lot of trouble, but I like the results.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did they change the part? The Amazon link now shows no braided heat skink.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:14 am    Post subject: Re: Buddy LED Headlight installation Reply with quote

scoop43 wrote:
Babblefish, I saw your post on the LED headlight installation on your Buddy, so I installed one on my Buddy 170i today. I had some difficulty doing it. First of all, the link you put up for the LED bulb was one that had a fan behind it, however in your instructions, you mention your bulb had braided heat sinks. I am assuming you installed the one with the braided heat sinks. That is what I installed.

I had trouble getting the top cover of the handle bars off, to get access to the headlight bulb, but I finally got it off. I removed the old bulb easily, and installed the new one. I found the heat sink braids pushed up against the speedometer cable, even when I spread them out. It's a tight fit. After I got it all together, I found I had not re installed the rubber moisture seal, so I had to take it apart and redo it again. Reconnecting the speedo cable is difficult unless you get your wife to push the cable up from below, with the front nose cover removed. Anyway, It's all done now, and the light is very bright. But I found I can't adjust the beam because the heat sink braids are pushed against the speedo cable. It was a lot of trouble, but I like the results.


They must have changed the product but kept the same Amazon item number because mine has the braids. Not sure if the new style will fit well because the speedometer sits very close to the top of the headlight lamp/LED. And I didn't have any of the problems you mentioned when I installed mine. Oh well, at least people will know how to get into their headlight/speedometer thingibob if they have to. I'm sure there are other LED conversions that are slim enough to fit well and these instructions will work for those too.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They definitely changed it- so far I've tracked down the previous product as:

http://www.rtdautolight.com/motorcycle-led-bulbs/motorcycle-light-bulbs/m02j-diving-heat-with-copper-braid-led.html

But alibaba and other mass-ship sources are the only source I've found so far and I'm not 100% convinced it has the T5 connector.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minimum order quantity is 50. Think we can find 50 Buddy owners on MB, or convince Scooterpartsco to carry some in inventory? At an Amazon price of $19 they can’t possibly cost more than $10 wholesale, maybe less.

EDIT: I found out what they cost in lots of 50: $5 apiece, not including tax or shipping.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here ya go folks. Exact same LED conversion but cheaper than eBay (dammit), and you don`t have to buy 50 of them.


https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32958893401.html

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Removing bodywork on scoot's is generally not fun. It's quite easy to damage the little clips and straps. I find the Yamaha TMAX bodywork to be of good quality and removal is above average in ease. Vespa/Piaggio bodywork is the most difficult and easily broken, from my experience.
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 4:32 pm    Post subject: Light Pattern Reply with quote

Do you happen to have a picture of the light pattern? I am ordering one of those LEDs and I wanted to know what to expect, thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

great work!...i would like to see oem bulb vs led bulb photos of the light pattern at night in the same location if you have them
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are worried about the beam pattern you need to buy a “daymaker” replacement unit instead of a bulb. This is what Harley uses in their LED headlights. They run about $40 on Amazon and replace the entire assembly, reflector and all to give a focused beam.

I tried several replacement LED bulbs with poor results until I found these. The replacement LED bulbs are really bright, but I still couldn’t see the road very well due to the mismatch between the LED lamp and the reflector designed for incandescent.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2020 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alzero wrote:
If you are worried about the beam pattern you need to buy a “daymaker” replacement unit instead of a bulb. This is what Harley uses in their LED headlights. They run about $40 on Amazon and replace the entire assembly, reflector and all to give a focused beam.

I tried several replacement LED bulbs with poor results until I found these. The replacement LED bulbs are really bright, but I still couldn’t see the road very well due to the mismatch between the LED lamp and the reflector designed for incandescent.


good to know...thanks!

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2020 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine has been fine. Beam pattern isn't too bad. I've had other conversions that were not as good though. The best was an HID conversion but the Buddy charging system can't support the power drain so the battery eventually dies.
Works well in my Blur though.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alzero wrote:
If you are worried about the beam pattern you need to buy a “daymaker” replacement unit instead of a bulb. This is what Harley uses in their LED headlights. They run about $40 on Amazon and replace the entire assembly, reflector and all to give a focused beam.

I tried several replacement LED bulbs with poor results until I found these. The replacement LED bulbs are really bright, but I still couldn’t see the road very well due to the mismatch between the LED lamp and the reflector designed for incandescent.


I’ve been happy enough with my LED bulb upgrades in my Buddy, Vespa, and Scarabeo (though the Beo was a PITA, requiring an extra module to fool the dash into behaving correctly). You’ve mentioned the HD Daymaker several times as a complete reflector and bulb replacement. It’s round, and the Buddy reflector is oval. How did you get it to fit?

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Daymaker&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

https://www.scooterdynasty.com/headlightassemblylargefor50cc-170igenuinebuddy.aspx
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy: I have a Lance Cali Classic with a round headlight, not a Buddy. It had the same engine and drivetrain, that’s why I am here.
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"This doesn't apply to Buddies, but..." would seem to be useful information to bundle along with this advice here on modernbuddy.com:

Alzero wrote:
If you are worried about the beam pattern you need to buy a “daymaker” replacement unit instead of a bulb.
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anybody know if there is a daymaker conversion kit for Buddies? Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was kind of my point. They're all round. If a Buddy-to-Daymaker converter kit existed I'm pretty sure we'd know about it.

Can't say I'd personally be all that interested in a $100+ solution though when the inexpensive LED bulbs do work pretty well.
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For $100 I'd convert my Buddy's charging system to an 11-pole alternator and HID lighting. HID bulbs have a very similar light pattern as an incandescent but produce more lumen using significantly less power. I'd then have a really bright headlight and extra power for any accessories I care to plug in. Of course nothing is free so I may take a small hit on gas mileage. I don't care.

But, that being said, I'm perfectly happy with the LED conversion that's in there now and I have no need nor desire to plug in anything else so I'm leaving it alone.

As always, YMMV.

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Boodled LED is back in stock! Just ordered one for another project.

https://www.amazon.com/BOODLIED-Motorcycle-Headlight-Conversion-White-1-Pack/dp/B07KTXL7FW/
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:31 pm    Post subject: Led Headlight for a Buddy 50 Reply with quote

The LED Headlight's I saw were for DC 12 Volt. My headlight comes on only when the emgine is running and I believe my Buddy 50 is AC 12 Volt. Has anyone put an LED Headlight in a Buddy 50? Please explain what you did. Thank you.
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If you look at the Amazon photo of the LED bulb in the very first link of this post, it is labeled AC/DC and will work in the 50.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Installed this LED about 2 weeks ago and is a HUGE upgrade from the stock headlight. Sometimes the high beam will flicker and go out completely, but always comes back. Has anyone had this issue? Its only the high beam. Maybe my connector is a little loose? I did put a zip tie around the connector but didn't tighten it too much.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it’s either a connection, switch, or bulb problem. Only one way to find out which for sure.
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I dont think its the switch, but I'm changing my brake fluid this weekend so was going to check the connector while the top plastic is off.
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These aren't exactly the highest quality product I've ever purchased- I'd probably start by slightly bending the tabs on the three blades that plug into the harness so they make better contact with the.... um, contacts. Also, LED's are a WHOLE bunch more susceptible to voltage drops and just go out vs. a slower dimming that a filament would do. So give your bright/dim switch a good cleaning. Alternatively flick it back and forth a couple hundred times to clear any shmutz on the contacts. That will either accelerate the deterioration of the switch (which is then the likely suspect) or clear it out.

If wiring, switch, etc. is cleared as the culprit, then I'd get another super-high-quality BOODLED.

Also, do you guys pronounce it "bood-LED" in your head or like "poodle". I like "poodle".
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The Academy of Chinglish has already ruled that this fly-by-night manufacturer’s name shall be mentally pronounced as the past tense of “to poodle,” to wit, “poodled,” ie “boodled.”

And that there exists no reason to ever utter this name verbally, so don’t try.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

babblefish wrote:
For $100 I'd convert my Buddy's charging system to an 11-pole alternator and HID lighting.


A 11-pole stator for a minarilli motor? I'm interested. DC system? Full wave, 3 phase? Would have to change out the regulator and CDI? I have used the 125gy6stator as used in the Adlys for off the book purposes before. Once read a write up on converting troublesome GY6 from half-wave AC to full-wave DC with a 7-wire rectifier /regulator. Wish I had kept that link.
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