SAFETY FLAG for 50cc
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- ferfdom
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SAFETY FLAG for 50cc
My county requires a bicycle type safety flag for 50cc or less... I bought one, but don't know where to mount it.
Has anyone else mounted a safety flag on their Buddy?
Has anyone else mounted a safety flag on their Buddy?
- ervine13
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Re: SAFETY FLAG for 50cc
That's funny you brought this up, I was just thinking about putting a flag my buddy. Here's the best I found. They are plates that attach to your license plate. Then you snap your flag on to the plate.ferfdom wrote:My county requires a bicycle type safety flag for 50cc or less... I bought one, but don't know where to mount it.
Has anyone else mounted a safety flag on their Buddy?
I'm assuming this is what you meant about safety flags.
http://www.tagflags.com/products.htm
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Oh I see. If you find it let me know. I would like something like that. I'm picturing a really long one so the scoot looks like one of those remote control cars!!!
Just found another site. It looks like you hook it up to any existing bolt.
http://www.hinesracingf.com/
Just found another site. It looks like you hook it up to any existing bolt.
http://www.hinesracingf.com/
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YES! That's it! I bought one like this...
http://www.gettysburgflag.com/Bicycle_Flags.php
at a local bicycle shop.
I was just trying to figure out what to bolt it to. The "best" place I found is the bolt that attaches at the bottom of the shock... Not sure if it's a good idea to unscrew to attach a silly flag!
The link above also has a picture of the bracket (it is on the right in a blue square).
http://www.gettysburgflag.com/Bicycle_Flags.php
at a local bicycle shop.
I was just trying to figure out what to bolt it to. The "best" place I found is the bolt that attaches at the bottom of the shock... Not sure if it's a good idea to unscrew to attach a silly flag!
The link above also has a picture of the bracket (it is on the right in a blue square).
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scooterworks has small flag mounts for the fender or cowls of an old vespa, i imagine you could find somewhere to put that on a buddy.
You mean like a safety-orange bicycle flag that sticks up high, on a flexible arial, right? I think those might work with scooterworks' thingy.
Bb.
You mean like a safety-orange bicycle flag that sticks up high, on a flexible arial, right? I think those might work with scooterworks' thingy.
Bb.
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http://www.hinesracingf.com/
I just talked to one of my co-workers. He says, check any motorsport store.
I just talked to one of my co-workers. He says, check any motorsport store.
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I don't know where you live or what the visibility/road situations are, but many of those laws were written long ago when a 50cc bike was lucky to have 3HP and go 30mph. There's a lot of confusion in a lot of states over the definition of a "moped" and horsepower limits and whether they need pedals or not, or whether a modern 50cc scooter falls into the legal definition (or intention) of laws that separate out 50cc mopeds. Your Buddy is twice as fast as the mopeds of a 10 years ago, and has much better brakes and lighting, and there's probably an argument that driving around at 45 mph with a 4' wobbly fiberglas death pole on a spring might be more likely to cause harm than prevent it.
I'm not telling you to break the law, but you might want to look into finding out if it's really necessary.
I'm not telling you to break the law, but you might want to look into finding out if it's really necessary.
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The Yahama Riva Razz 50cc we bought in 2000 sat lower to the ground than the Buddy 50cc so the flag was a good idea. We had a milk crate on the back so attached the pole to that with plastic ties.
Sitting inbetween cars does help to have the flag to make your scoot visible along with parking spots when cars hide your scooter (If you park in space instead of at front of store-bike rack).
Sitting inbetween cars does help to have the flag to make your scoot visible along with parking spots when cars hide your scooter (If you park in space instead of at front of store-bike rack).
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Here is the definition of a moped according to Jefferson County Kentucky (Louisville).
"MOPED. A motorized bicycle whose frame design may include one or more horizontal crossbars supporting a fuel tank so long as it also has pedals, or a motorized bicycle with a step?through type frame which may or may not have pedals rated no more than two brake horsepower, a cylinder capacity not exceeding 50 cubic centimeters, an automatic transmission not requiring clutching or shifting by the operator after the drive system is engaged, and capable of a maximum speed of not more than 30 miles per hour.
(Ord. 13, 1988, adopted and effective 6/28/88)"
I do see a lot of 50cc with the safety flags on them, but notice the ordinance is from 1988!
"MOPED. A motorized bicycle whose frame design may include one or more horizontal crossbars supporting a fuel tank so long as it also has pedals, or a motorized bicycle with a step?through type frame which may or may not have pedals rated no more than two brake horsepower, a cylinder capacity not exceeding 50 cubic centimeters, an automatic transmission not requiring clutching or shifting by the operator after the drive system is engaged, and capable of a maximum speed of not more than 30 miles per hour.
(Ord. 13, 1988, adopted and effective 6/28/88)"
I do see a lot of 50cc with the safety flags on them, but notice the ordinance is from 1988!
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Scroll down for Custom flags
http://www.gettysburgflag.com/Bicycle_Flags.php
Not meant for high speeds...does the Buddy classify as high speeds?
I want a florescent pink one when the Modern Buddy design is available.
http://www.gettysburgflag.com/Bicycle_Flags.php
Not meant for high speeds...does the Buddy classify as high speeds?
I want a florescent pink one when the Modern Buddy design is available.
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You can also get an ATV whip. On ebay or cycle shops, They bolt on from the bottom rather than the side. You can get different colors and LED lighted ones. Also can get a quick disconnect for them.
This being said those whips can be dangerous at speed. They do not call them WHIPS for nothing. You come to a sudden stop and you can get whacked on the back really hard with a fiberglass rod. I know the need to be visable but I'll take debatting this in court over a brain concussion or being knocked off my ride.
Okay everyone lets see I get this right. Years ago when I first got my Vespa there was a big discussion on what is the difference between a scooter and a moped with our state (the Vespa being just brought back in). A scooter you stepped onto. A moped you had to swing a leg over the saddle (like a motorcycle or man's bike) to get onto it. Because of this definition most of the large "scooters" out now technically should not even be called scooters.
This being said those whips can be dangerous at speed. They do not call them WHIPS for nothing. You come to a sudden stop and you can get whacked on the back really hard with a fiberglass rod. I know the need to be visable but I'll take debatting this in court over a brain concussion or being knocked off my ride.
Okay everyone lets see I get this right. Years ago when I first got my Vespa there was a big discussion on what is the difference between a scooter and a moped with our state (the Vespa being just brought back in). A scooter you stepped onto. A moped you had to swing a leg over the saddle (like a motorcycle or man's bike) to get onto it. Because of this definition most of the large "scooters" out now technically should not even be called scooters.
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This thread has the hp listed for the Buddy 50 at 4.7.
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Was this a legal discussion or a rider discussion?Artisan wrote:Okay everyone lets see I get this right. Years ago when I first got my Vespa there was a big discussion on what is the difference between a scooter and a moped with our state (the Vespa being just brought back in). A scooter you stepped onto. A moped you had to swing a leg over the saddle (like a motorcycle or man's bike) to get onto it. Because of this definition most of the large "scooters" out now technically should not even be called scooters.
The "classic" definition of a scooter, from what I understand, is a step-through design and wheels at or under 16". There are some scoots at the fringes of this (Piaggio MP3, Gilera GP800), but I tend to think the scooter label can be as expansive as "motorcycle" (which includes dirt bikes, crotch rockets, touring bikes, etc.). Many other scooterists disagree.
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As I stated this was a discussion with our state so I take it it was a legal one. Piaggio was just re-entering the US market and AZ was trying to figure out how to classify the entering scooters. When I purchased the ET4 at that time I did not need a motorcycle license for it. Now I would. Taking the classes the end of the month so if I get a new scoot I'll have it ready.
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Yeah, you're well over the HP requirement, you're not riding a legally-described moped. In IL that next class (called "L class" here) goes up to 150 (including 50s that don't meet the moped standard) and you need an L or M-class license, insurance, plates, etc.)
Bb.
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