Buddy 170, BlackJack, Stella 4T, etc. news

Post by **ericalm** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:02 pm

Here's what I've culled from some very reliable sources. Some of this has been posted, but I've done my best to verify the information.

Stocks of BlackJacks are very low. As in "these will disappear from dealers soon and there aren't many to replace them" low. If you want a BlackJack, better get on it now.

Stella 2Ts are not as low as BlackJacks but sure to be gone by end of year.

Stella 4Ts are in the US and shipping (from Chicago) to dealers very soon. As in "I better get my long, comprehensive review finished and posted" soon. They should start arriving within the next week or two depending on location.

No arrival date on the Buddy 170s yet, but Genuine is reportedly working out the scheduling for these and will make an announcement soon. As we guessed, they're not announcing them until some of these details are worked out. I know scooterists are terribly impatient, but there's no use kvetching about this because if they announced them prematurely, we'd just be griping about that.

Rippinyarn · Post by **Rippinyarn** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:12 pm

Here's some complimentary info from Dealer Expo - less on the dates and more on the company info side (i.e. all I could pry out of Philip and Trey).
I'm glad to hear that the Stellas are in-country, and can't wait to see some get stocked locally.

http://www.examiner.com/scooter-in-detr ... er-company

All in all, it's a great time to be a scooterist.

superseagulls · Post by **superseagulls** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:38 pm

Thanks for the news!
Are the first lot sold out? I'm guessing a few buyers may have thrown in the towel, what do you think my chances of getting a cream 4T are?

bgwss · Post by **bgwss** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:44 pm

Thank you for the update.

pdxrita · Post by **pdxrita** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:23 pm

I'd suggest contacting Vespa Portland and letting them know you want this. They might still be in a position to include one in their order. Then again, they've got so much old stock crammed in the backroom, that they might be taking a pass on the new scoots. Just pondering out loud... give them a call.

superseagulls wrote:Thanks for the news!
Are the first lot sold out? I'm guessing a few buyers may have thrown in the towel, what do you think my chances of getting a cream 4T are?

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:41 pm

Jeeze, why spoil all the rumor with facts? Rumor abhors a vacuum.

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Lovelandstella · Post by **Lovelandstella** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:05 pm

Rippinyarn wrote:Here's some complimentary info from Dealer Expo - ...http://www.examiner.com/scooter-in-detr ... pany...All in all, it's a great time to be a scooterist.

this.is.awesome!
quick photo comments:
the Yellow Stella is much brighter than I remember, more"american mustard" than "dijon".
OMG that gren buddy is Gorgeous

the drop of glue! the sticker!

thanks for all of this !

Stormswift · Post by **Stormswift** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:13 pm

Skootz Kabootz wrote:Jeeze, why spoil all the rumor with facts? Rumor abhors a vacuum.

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GrittyTacoman · Post by **GrittyTacoman** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:28 am

Great info from Eric and the Yarnster! I needed something to tear my attention away from the latest Charlie Sheen happenings.

Looks like Genuine will be Winning this year, what with their tiger blood and Adonis DNA.

Post by **ericalm** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:37 am

GrittyTacoman wrote:Looks like Genuine will be Winning this year, what with their tiger blood and Adonis DNA.

dwayneed · Post by **dwayneed** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:00 pm

Wow, I love that yellow on the Stella.... not interested in the 4T tho. Why couldn't they do one more year of the 2T?

Silver Streak · Post by **Silver Streak** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:04 pm

Red 4T Stella on the way... Whoot!

Dealer hasn't called me yet, though.

Post by **ericalm** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:13 pm

dwayneed wrote:Wow, I love that yellow on the Stella.... not interested in the 4T tho. Why couldn't they do one more year of the 2T?

LML isn't going to be making them anymore. They won't pass emissions in most countries at this point.

BuddyLicious · Post by **BuddyLicious** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:22 pm

dwayneed wrote:Wow, I love that yellow on the Stella.... not interested in the 4T tho. Why couldn't they do one more year of the 2T?

Actually there is the option of painting your 2T yellow.

Rippinyarn · Post by **Rippinyarn** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:57 pm

The Dijon yellow is almost orange and is amazing! The Buddy Oxford green is more of an evergreen, but it's particularly difficult to photograph to get the true color, especially under the glare of the lights at the Indy convention center. I just can't wait to ride 'em both... I fully expect the Buddy to set a new standard in affordable performance "for the rest of us".

Post by **ericalm** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:55 pm

Dealers are reporting that the Stellas have shipped and are en route.

TVB · Post by **TVB** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:46 am

I, for one, welcome our new four-stroke overlords!

dwayneed · Post by **dwayneed** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:56 am

Yeah I know

I didn't really like any of the 2T Stella colors, didn't hate em either... I would have chosen that creme or yellow over the red without a doubt!
The Stella 2T going out of production is actually a big deal, it's the last of the mighty 2 stroke classics. The 2 stroke was and still is a huge part of the scooter scene worldwide. I am glad the 4T is here though, something that looks classic needs to exist.. and it probably is more user friendly and reliable in the long run.. I'm risking a hijack here... hehe.

ericalm wrote:
dwayneed wrote:Wow, I love that yellow on the Stella.... not interested in the 4T tho. Why couldn't they do one more year of the 2T?
LML isn't going to be making them anymore. They won't pass emissions in most countries at this point.

cheez37 · Post by **cheez37** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:08 pm

dwayneed wrote:Yeah I know ...The Stella 2T going out of production is actually a big deal, it's the last of the mighty 2 stroke classics. The 2 stroke was and still is a huge part of the scooter scene worldwide...

I'm not trying to be a jerk, just being curious, but where are 2Ts still a big part of the scooter scene? I had assumed that I would see a bunch of them in Viet Nam when I was there, but there are almost none on the roads. The only ones you see are a very limited amount of vintage Vespas. My wife said that they haven't been sold in VN for a while.

Wheelz · Post by **Wheelz** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:24 pm

most of your "vintage" scoots are 2t's not to mention most 50's, and let us not forget the small (too small for Genuine

) part of the community that rides Rat 110's.

Post by **ericalm** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:06 pm

cheez37 wrote:
dwayneed wrote:Yeah I know ...The Stella 2T going out of production is actually a big deal, it's the last of the mighty 2 stroke classics. The 2 stroke was and still is a huge part of the scooter scene worldwide...
I'm not trying to be a jerk, just being curious, but where are 2Ts still a big part of the scooter scene? I had assumed that I would see a bunch of them in Viet Nam when I was there, but there are almost none on the roads. The only ones you see are a very limited amount of vintage Vespas. My wife said that they haven't been sold in VN for a while.

By "scene," I think dwayneed is talking about scooter enthusiasts, vintage clubs and so on, not the more practical riders, commuters, or general sales. Almost anyone interested in scooters built before the late '90s is going to be into 2Ts.

Scalpel · Post by **Scalpel** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:07 pm

Skootz Kabootz wrote: [ Genuine sportbike ]

[ Genuine Blur 220i ]

Lovelandstella · Post by **Lovelandstella** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:50 pm

ericalm wrote:Dealers are reporting that the Stellas have shipped and are en route.

laxer · Post by **laxer** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:26 pm

Man, no more Rattlers (2T), no more 2T Stella, I guess there's just no room in this gentle world for violent giants like us...

Rippinyarn · Post by **Rippinyarn** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 4:47 am

laxer wrote:Man, no more Rattlers (2T), no more 2T Stella, I guess there's just no room in this gentle world for violent giants like us...

And yet they will live forever, thanks to simple rebuilds and a great little thing called nostalgia. I hope to never be without at least one 2t scoot.

jmkjr72 · Post by **jmkjr72** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:47 am

even 50cc 2 strokes are dieing off
honda doesnt offer them any more neither does kymco (i belive what they have are set to die off) i think the sym 50s are 4 stroke

so yeah the 2 stroke will be left for those of us who can wrench and want to wrench

Rippinyarn · Post by **Rippinyarn** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 1:31 pm

My local Genuine dealer (and where I bought my Blur - David Corneille of Blackbeard Powersports) wrote me to say that he can now order the new Stella 4t and get it in a few days. He also still has that sweet red one (2t) that is the last of his Mohicans. I'm also proud to say that he is dumping Rocketta as the number of dissatisfied customers was both significant and ever increasing.

Smiley13 · Post by **Smiley13** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:15 pm

I went to my local scooter shop yesterday to pick up a part. I walked in and saw the blur 220i as the norm the body styling was beautiful. I asked the tuner if these fuel injected scooter were able to tune? His response was that like the zuma 125i is able to tune the fuel injector to work at top performence with a simple computer program and able to add a pipe etc. The genuine series will not be able to do this too. Well at least the computer program tunning aspect. He wasn't sure yet if a pipe could be put on it. This makes me wonder why genuine didn't do the same thing like the zuma 125i. I would think it would give a scooter heads more of a reason to pick one of these sexy things up. I think till that is changed I will be sticking to a Carb set up. I have seen what a Computer program adjustment can do to the perfomence of a Zuma 125i. Man they scream after this process. You can add a pipe and of course the trans upgrades as well. Still a great idea but needs to be thought thru at least before I would invest in one.
Smiley

BuddyLicious · Post by **BuddyLicious** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:09 pm

Rippinyarn wrote:My local Genuine dealer (and where I bought my Blur - David Corneille of Blackbeard Powersports) wrote me to say that he can now order the new Stella 4t and get it in a few days. He also still has that sweet red one (2t) that is the last of his Mohicans. I'm also proud to say that he is dumping Rocketta as the number of dissatisfied customers was both significant and ever increasing.

A few days,that means their here in Chicago US! Holy Mother Of ***, that's awesome news.Please hurry up and get yu one so we can get all the latest and greatest info.

pugbuddy · Post by **pugbuddy** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:23 pm

So has anyone found a top case in "British Racing Green" yet? I'm looking around but may have to go with White, I guess....

Gotta dig up that old top case thread we had going a while back. I seem to recall most people thought Shad was very well made and a good fit for Genuine scoots....

Post by **ericalm** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:50 pm

BuddyLicious wrote:
Rippinyarn wrote:My local Genuine dealer (and where I bought my Blur - David Corneille of Blackbeard Powersports) wrote me to say that he can now order the new Stella 4t and get it in a few days. He also still has that sweet red one (2t) that is the last of his Mohicans. I'm also proud to say that he is dumping Rocketta as the number of dissatisfied customers was both significant and ever increasing.
A few days,that means their here in Chicago US! Holy Mother Of ***, that's awesome news.Please hurry up and get yu one so we can get all the latest and greatest info.

Yes, they're in Chicago but the bulk of them may have shipped. Some CA dealers are expecting them as early as mid next week.

pugbuddy · Post by **pugbuddy** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:59 pm

Wow, having trouble finding even the Shad SH 33 top case in White! Odd that you cannot order off their website....

Rippinyarn · Post by **Rippinyarn** » Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:27 pm

Scooterworks is posting pics of the uncrating of an avocado Stella with a tan seat on their Facebook page. And it's killing me.

KRUSTYburger · Post by **KRUSTYburger** » Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:04 pm

Aw man, if there's any modern scooter I would trade my p200 for, it would be a cream Stella 4T!

I bet the dealer by house (only place in town that carries Genuine), won't have any.

Mulliganal · Post by **Mulliganal** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:21 am

Buddy 170, BlackJack and Stella 4T, these are the 3 I'm also considering.

Can anyone guess how the Buddy 170 would stack up against the BlackJack? My dealer has a BlackJack in stock but I'm not sure I want that one or want to get on the waiting list for the Buddy 170, or just grab the cream Stella 4T he currently has in stock.

dwayneed · Post by **dwayneed** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:51 am

Well, I think it would be hard to find anyone that didn't love the Black Jack. It is really hard not to love any of the Buddy models. The main difference with the 170 is the fuel injection. I don't recall ever thinking, "Man I wish I had fuel injection.." while owning my Black Jack.

I am currently in love with the creme color 4T Stella, and definitely prefer the shifting for fun riding. I LOVE my 2T Stella, I think I am addicted to that 2 stroke buzz... the ride is definitely different and more engaging.

Again though, the Buddy makes more sense for most scooting...

Mulliganal wrote:Buddy 170, BlackJack and Stella 4T, these are the 3 I'm also considering.

Can anyone guess how the Buddy 170 would stack up against the BlackJack? My dealer has a BlackJack in stock but I'm not sure I want that one or want to get on the waiting list for the Buddy 170, or just grab the cream Stella 4T he currently has in stock.

Post by **ericalm** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:58 am

Mulliganal wrote:Buddy 170, BlackJack and Stella 4T, these are the 3 I'm also considering.

Can anyone guess how the Buddy 170 would stack up against the BlackJack? My dealer has a BlackJack in stock but I'm not sure I want that one or want to get on the waiting list for the Buddy 170, or just grab the cream Stella 4T he currently has in stock.

The 170 will almost undoubtably be faster; we just don't know how much yet. The other performance options on the BlackJack are pretty nice though, especially the rear shocks. Personally, I prefer the BlackJack seat to the stock Buddy seat but not everyone feels that way.

The other factor is that we have no indication of when the Buddy 170 is landing at dealers, so it may mean having to be patient.

Mulliganal · Post by **Mulliganal** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:17 pm

ericalm wrote:
Mulliganal wrote:Buddy 170, BlackJack and Stella 4T, these are the 3 I'm also considering.

Can anyone guess how the Buddy 170 would stack up against the BlackJack? My dealer has a BlackJack in stock but I'm not sure I want that one or want to get on the waiting list for the Buddy 170, or just grab the cream Stella 4T he currently has in stock.
The 170 will almost undoubtably be faster; we just don't know how much yet. The other performance options on the BlackJack are pretty nice though, especially the rear shocks. Personally, I prefer the BlackJack seat to the stock Buddy seat but not everyone feels that way.

The other factor is that we have no indication of when the Buddy 170 is landing at dealers, so it may mean having to be patient.

I went to the dealer today and now I'm leaning towards the Stella 4T or the Buddy Black Jack. I really want something in black (I like the chrome accessories with the black, very cool) and so far none of the Buddy 170 colors have grown on me. I'd like it if the 170 came in black.

The dealer has the Stella 2T at $3199 which is kinda catching my eye also, I just don't know the pros and cons of the 4T vs the 2T and if the 4T is worth an additional $600. That cream colored 4T sure is sweet though.

Post by **ericalm** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:23 pm

Mulliganal wrote:The dealer has the Stella 2T at $3199 which is kinda catching my eye also, I just don't know the pros and cons of the 4T vs the 2T and if the 4T is worth an additional $600. That cream colored 4T sure is sweet though.

The 4T has a newer engine design, better gas mileage and lower emissions. The 2T is a longstanding engine design that's highly compatible with parts for Vespa P-series scooters. The only reason it's going away is that the emissions are worse.

laxer · Post by **laxer** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:34 pm

Ok, 4T delivered, 170 on the way, let's finally get some pics n' things of the super-secret cruiser!

Post by **ericalm** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:13 pm

Want want want, more more more…

huskerchic · Post by **huskerchic** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:36 pm

I spoke with Colin at Sportique in Englewood, CO and they have a cream Stella 4T set to arrive any day, and there is a red 4T at the Springs store. He's not sure when the 170s are shipping, but as soon as they arrive, he said the photos will be on there FB page.

KRUSTYburger · Post by **KRUSTYburger** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:17 am

ericalm wrote:Want want want, more more more…

LOL

GIMME, GIMME! I NEED, I NEEEEEED!!!

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