Too many keys.

Alb brajn · Post by **Alb brajn** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:58 pm

A man on his sons scooter pulled up next to me today and said I had too many keys on my keyring. He said they had to replace the ignition on his sons scoot because the weight of the keys broke it. Has anybody heard of this before? I could not tell what kind of scooter he was riding.

Syd · Post by **Syd** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:03 pm

I have heard of it in the car/truck world, so it wouldn't surprise me if it were a potential problem, especially since the average scoot's ignition switch seems to be less stout than your average automotive ignition switch.

PeteH · Post by **PeteH** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:21 pm

Rather than risk it, I keep only the ignition key and my lock key on the handy Genuine Scooter Co. swag keychain. The rest of my boat-anchor assemblage of home, car, and office keys go in my bag.

desmolicious · Post by **desmolicious** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:38 pm

Alb brajn wrote:A man on his sons scooter pulled up next to me today and said I had too many keys on my keyring. He said they had to replace the ignition on his sons scoot because the weight of the keys broke it. Has anybody heard of this before? I could not tell what kind of scooter he was riding.

You can damage the ignition tumbler.

How many keys did you have on the ring?

Alb brajn · Post by **Alb brajn** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:00 pm

I have 7 keys and the buddy key. I didn't think that was that many, nor did I think it was enough to cause any damage.

desmolicious · Post by **desmolicious** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:07 pm

Alb brajn wrote:I have 7 keys and the buddy key. I didn't think that was that many, nor did I think it was enough to cause any damage.

Too many.
Over time that can damage your ignition tumbler.

jasondavis48108 · Post by **jasondavis48108** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:14 pm

yup, I keep only the keys I need for each scooter on their own separate rings.

Quo Vadimus · Post by **Quo Vadimus** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:37 pm

The car talk guys used to mention this practically every week.

Meresankh · Post by **Meresankh** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:08 pm

Here's my question: what if all the keys on your over-loaded key ring ARE for your scooter? The only key on the ring that isn't for the scoot is the house key.

Since I had to beef up my security and buy new locks, my Buddy key ring makes me look like a janitor! But if I don't have all those keys with me, I can't unlock the bike without making 2 or 3 trips back into the apartment. That would be a PITA.

So what's a girl to do? Besides get a place with a secured garage, of course.

heatherkay · Post by **heatherkay** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:22 pm

Get a quick release ring for the ignition key and put the rest of the keys in your pocket when the key is in the ignition.

Quo Vadimus · Post by **Quo Vadimus** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:50 pm

I have a separate keyring for the lock keys. I like to imagine that if I accidentally drop one set and the thief can figure out what they're for (maybe I drop them right by the scoot?), they still won't be able to simply ride away with my bike.

Note: this also means I can unlock my side door and go in for the night, leave the scooter key in the 'on' position and kill a $50 battery. So, y'know.

desmolicious · Post by **desmolicious** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:45 pm

Meresankh wrote:Here's my question: what if all the keys on your over-loaded key ring ARE for your scooter? The only key on the ring that isn't for the scoot is the house key.

Since I had to beef up my security and buy new locks, my Buddy key ring makes me look like a janitor! But if I don't have all those keys with me, I can't unlock the bike without making 2 or 3 trips back into the apartment. That would be a PITA.

So what's a girl to do? Besides get a place with a secured garage, of course.

2 sets of key rings. The ones for the locks go under your seat, or in a pocket, or in a bag...

It's not that complicated.

How many locks do you have anyway? My Buddy's key ring has the scooter's key, and the lock key. If I add another lock (Xena as well as GripLock) that would be three keys.

Meresankh · Post by **Meresankh** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:13 am

Too many. There's the key for the Buddy, the key for the topcase, the key for the new Xena lock, the key for the cable lock I use to secure the bike when I'm out and about, and the key for the MC chain that secures the bike to the post of the covered parking. There's also the key for the lock & cable I use to daisy-chain my two scoots together, since I live in a apartment. Oh, and the house key.

I forgot about those detachable key rings. I may have to get a couple of those since the Met has just about as many keys on its ring now, too. Watch. Now that I'm looking for that kind of key ring, I won't be able to find them.

Alb brajn · Post by **Alb brajn** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:13 am

I am far too forgetful to have different keys on different rings. Having them all together allows me easily know I have locked my bike up for the day.

ed85379 · Post by **ed85379** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:29 am

I separated my scooter keys from the rest of my keys to save space in my jeans pocket on days when I'm not riding the scooter. Plus, I didn't like the big ol' thing vibrating there.

Though, my scooter ring still has 5 keys on it. Ignition, top-case, xena, chain, and grip-lock.

As it is, it is small enough that I have forgotten it in the ignition more than once.

lilguy · Post by **lilguy** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:22 am

I have several keys (all-Buddy related) on one ring, but they are by no means heavy. They aren't like the type of keys to my house or other vehicles, they all feel much lighter.

rsrider · Post by **rsrider** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:39 am

Carabiners people. Each key on a separate ring, and then just pop the key off the carabiner as it's needed. You can even tether the carabiner to your pants or jacket if you're paranoid about losing it.

BootScootin'FireFighter · Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:30 am

I got the CHUMS 3 way key holder. The main ring holds the caribeaner to clip to my beltloop, the barcode thingys for grocery stores and the gym, and my dogtag ID. The next ring detaches for my apartment, which has a large garage button, key fob, mailbox key, and door key. The last set has my scooter keys... ignition, xena, chain, topcase.

If I'm going to be riding for a little while, i only leave the scooter keys in, otherwise for short trips I can tuck it in the topcase. It also works great when I only need my house keys if I'm not riding.

jprestonian · Post by **jprestonian** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:59 am

BootScootin'FireFighter wrote:I got the CHUMS 3 way key holder. The main ring holds the caribeaner to clip to my beltloop, the barcode thingys for grocery stores and the gym, and my dogtag ID. The next ring detaches for my apartment, which has a large garage button, key fob, mailbox key, and door key. The last set has my scooter keys... ignition, xena, chain, topcase.

If I'm going to be riding for a little while, i only leave the scooter keys in, otherwise for short trips I can tuck it in the topcase. It also works great when I only need my house keys if I'm not riding.

That's so noice.
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TVB · Post by **TVB** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:14 pm

I do all I can to minimize the number of keys I carry, period. I have having the things in my pocketses. I was down to two keys (house, car) before I got this darn scooter. Now I have to carry two more (scooter, lock). During the non-scooting season, I go back to just two; it's a bittersweet ritual.

There are various other keys I need for other things (e.g. my job), but I don't carry those unless I'm going where I need them.

Tocsik · Post by **Tocsik** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:21 pm

BootScootin'FireFighter wrote:I got the chums 3 way key holder. The main ring holds the caribeaner to clip to my beltloop, the barcode thingys for grocery stores and the gym, and my dogtag ID. The next ring detaches for my apartment, which has a large garage button, key fob, mailbox key, and door key. The last set has my scooter keys... ignition, xena, chain, topcase.

If I'm going to be riding for a little while, i only leave the scooter keys in, otherwise for short trips I can tuck it in the topcase. It also works great when I only need my house keys if I'm not riding.

a three way with your chums?
An obvious attempt at the double entendre topic!

michelle_7728 · Post by **michelle_7728** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:37 am

Here are 3 examples from Rei's website.

I use the one on the left for our car and truck keys. When I get in the car, I take the ignition key off the chain and just put it in the ignition, so it doesn't have the weight of the other keys dangling there as well.

Rei has over 80 different keychains to choose from on-line.

I use some thing different for each scooter, though they have only 3 to 4 keys on each - Ignition, top case (if there is one), Xena lock, house key.

Howardr · Post by **Howardr** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:45 am

I'm sure I'm doomed not that someone has posted this. I've been carrying 8-10 keys plus the associated rings and doodads that come along with them for more than 3 years now. No problems and I'm the guys that rides down4-wheel drive only roads, etc.

Probably should just order a new ignition tumbler set now, I guess.

Howard

Tocsik · Post by **Tocsik** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:24 pm

I know it's an older thread, but I just Stumbled on this:

http://mykeyport.com/product.html

A little expensive but still pretty cool. It might stick out too far for the Buddy's ignition location.

dshanson · Post by **dshanson** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:49 pm

That keyport is pretty cool....but i have 12 keys....maybe i need to revamp my key line-up.....

current keys: (non-scooter)
1 house key
1 parents' house key
1 mailbox key
1 car key
1 front hood lock key (someone stole my car battery once so i chained the thing down)
1 brake lock key (for car)
(scooter)
1 buddy key
1 xena key
2 grip lock keys
2 onguard big padlock keys (I find having 2 is useful for chaining it up)

i keep em all on a carabeaner (sp?) that i got from scootersmith

AWinn6889 · Post by **AWinn6889** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:24 pm

I have something like this, PLUS an additional carabiner that I got for going to RIT in the honors program (here's $120,000, thanks for the keychain, and the piece of paper!)

I however would not recommend this for men that like to carry all of their stuff in their pockets. But for the ladies, this hasn't failed me yet.

So, I almost ALWAYS have to have a crap ton of keys on me, in case of emergencies, or people locking themselves out of various places (ahem, parents). Anyway, here goes, my keys:

1&2. my house and garage
3. VW flip key
3.5. VW "lame" key (only opens the driver door)
4&4.5. ghetto aftermarket key and fob for the old VW (yay power locks!)
5&6. keys to the small locally-owned store where I work
7. spare Harley key
8. Mom's house (she forgets hers at work sometimes..)
9&10. Dad's house and garage door opener (he locks himself out.. a lot.)

and when the scoot finally gets here I will be adding 2 or 3 more, so,
11. Buddy key
12. Disc lock key
13(?). top case key, still not sure if I want/need a top case though.

In addition to these keys I have all of my various grocery store, pharmacy, gym, etc. tags, a small knife, and a (really obnoxious) whistle.

So this is what I do:
On the thingy pictured above I have my house/garage keys on one little biner, the vw flip key on another, knife on another, whistle on another. Of course I will be adding the Buddy (11-13) keys to this as well... I CLIP these to something in/on my purse/backpack that is easily accessible and take off whatever I need when I need it.

On the small carabiner... Keys #4-10 all on individual rings, and labeled or tagged somehow, and the various grocery store, pharm, gym etc etc tags. This gets tossed anywhere in my purse/backpack, so I always have them but they are not dangling around anywhere, or getting in the way.

The "lame" key for my car goes in my wallet, so I always, no matter what, have a way into my car. I have found it to be very handy to have there, even if it will only open the door!

neotrotsky · Post by **neotrotsky** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:34 pm

Alb brajn wrote:A man on his sons scooter pulled up next to me today and said I had too many keys on my keyring. He said they had to replace the ignition on his sons scoot because the weight of the keys broke it. Has anybody heard of this before? I could not tell what kind of scooter he was riding.

While he is technically correct, I find strangers that randomly spout off criticism of other riders while in traffic irritating and little more than know-it-all douchebags. Yes, it's a helpful tip. But, did the other rider ASK for this info? Was your life in danger at that moment that you needed to point it out in traffic? No. You just wanted to come off as some know it all.

Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine. If you're hanging out at a ride or something and one of the other riders notices and says "Oh, by the way, did you know..." then right on. But, I've had some real pricks ride up next to me while I'm borrowing the sportster pointing out that I have the "wrong" brand of tire on the back, or that the bars on it are REALLY inappropriate for urban commuting and I NEED to change those asap! You know? I'm BORROWING the bike! I'm sure the owner would LOVE to hear how he's flawed and how you, Mr. stranger on the road talking to the guy who doesn't even own the bike, know better about his machine than he does.

/rant off.

Sorry, had to get that off my chest. I use the old school spring loaded keyring clips attached to a loop of paracord that I throw over my wrist. Works great.

Raiderfn31 · Post by **Raiderfn31** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:49 pm

neotrotsky wrote:
Alb brajn wrote:A man on his sons scooter pulled up next to me today and said I had too many keys on my keyring. He said they had to replace the ignition on his sons scoot because the weight of the keys broke it. Has anybody heard of this before? I could not tell what kind of scooter he was riding.
While he is technically correct, I find strangers that randomly spout off criticism of other riders while in traffic irritating and little more than know-it-all douchebags. Yes, it's a helpful tip. But, did the other rider ASK for this info? Was your life in danger at that moment that you needed to point it out in traffic? No. You just wanted to come off as some know it all.

Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine. If you're hanging out at a ride or something and one of the other riders notices and says "Oh, by the way, did you know..." then right on. But, I've had some real pricks ride up next to me while I'm borrowing the sportster pointing out that I have the "wrong" brand of tire on the back, or that the bars on it are REALLY inappropriate for urban commuting and I NEED to change those asap! You know? I'm BORROWING the bike! I'm sure the owner would LOVE to hear how he's flawed and how you, Mr. stranger on the road talking to the guy who doesn't even own the bike, know better about his machine than he does.

Ever tried yoga? It may help.

/rant off.

Sorry, had to get that off my chest. I use the old school spring loaded keyring clips attached to a loop of paracord that I throw over my wrist. Works great.

siobhan · Post by **siobhan** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:51 am

Tocsik wrote:I know it's an older thread, but I just Stumbled on this:

http://mykeyport.com/product.html

A little expensive but still pretty cool. It might stick out too far for the Buddy's ignition location.

I want this. I don't know why as I only carry the scootah key and the garage lock key on my "personalized" keyring (try finding one off-the-shelf with my name). My first thought was to check what keys they couldn't do...no mention of the /5 banana key.

I really want one.

I absolutely love that there is a keychain thread on this board. Where else?! Just brilliant.

rsrider · Post by **rsrider** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:00 am

neotrotsky wrote: I find strangers that randomly spout off criticism of other riders while in traffic irritating and little more than know-it-all douchebags.

Just trying to help.......

Wow, you people really like to spend money. Split key rings (one for each key), karabiner, done.

neotrotsky · Post by **neotrotsky** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:46 am

rsrider wrote:
neotrotsky wrote: I find strangers that randomly spout off criticism of other riders while in traffic irritating and little more than know-it-all douchebags.
Just trying to help.......

Wow, you people really like to spend money. Split key rings (one for each key), karabiner, done.

Didn't say it was you. It's the type who always seem to have something to criticize riders while in traffic. If you're mentioning it to a friend then cool. But, there are *those* riders who nose in on crap to complete strangers.

rsrider · Post by **rsrider** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:53 am

neotrotsky wrote:
rsrider wrote:
neotrotsky wrote: I find strangers that randomly spout off criticism of other riders while in traffic irritating and little more than know-it-all douchebags.
Just trying to help.......

Wow, you people really like to spend money. Split key rings (one for each key), karabiner, done.
Didn't say it was you. It's the type who always seem to have something to criticize riders while in traffic. If you're mentioning it to a friend then cool. But, there are *those* riders who nose in on crap to complete strangers.

I was joking with ya......

It's like: and then this ahole slides over into my lane....and I'm like, sorry mang I dropped my cell phone............

Raiderfn31 · Post by **Raiderfn31** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:20 am

neotrotsky wrote:
rsrider wrote:
neotrotsky wrote: I find strangers that randomly spout off criticism of other riders while in traffic irritating and little more than know-it-all douchebags.
Just trying to help.......

Wow, you people really like to spend money. Split key rings (one for each key), karabiner, done.
Didn't say it was you. It's the type who always seem to have something to criticize riders while in traffic. If you're mentioning it to a friend then cool. But, there are *those* riders who nose in on crap to complete strangers.

I feel ya on this one bro. I have people at my work that come by and try to "help". I tell them bluntly, "I have my way, you have yours". I've been in more than one heated discussion over this one.

TVB · Post by **TVB** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:43 pm

This is why I try not to help people much any more.
No good deed goes unpunished.

Edwub · Post by **Edwub** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:29 pm

/agree with TVB a little.

Neotrotsky, clearly some stuff has happened to ya, so you're coming across a bit over-sensitive here

It's hard to tell from the original post whether this was 'criticism', 'unsolicated advice', or a 'friendly tip'. I'm sorry that you've gotten much of the former, but I bet I could go through several threads on the MB forum here and find some examples of all three. Tone is pretty important (and easier to tell in person than online), but I think we can all agree that overall, the context is king.

To make a few assumptions of my own, the OP said 'a man on his sons scooter' and needed a part replaced, so I imagine there must have been some form of conversation, not just a drive-by oneliner. It's easy in my mind to also imagine a scooter enthusiast pulling up to someone, having a small convo and trying to impart friendly advice/tip, or maybe warn against a common but rarely known mistake!

Or not, and he's a jerk. It's all about context

edit: heck, maybe all you're saying is just tangential to the OP, not directly about it. I agree that unsolicited criticism from a condescending schmuck sucks too! We've all been a victim

BootScootin'FireFighter · Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:31 pm

neotrotsky wrote:While he is technically correct, I find strangers that randomly spout off criticism of other riders while in traffic irritating and little more than know-it-all douchebags.

What chaps my ass is the "words of wisdom" from people who don't even ride... anything!

Had a woman ring the doorbell @ work a few days ago asking if anyone knew how to fix a flat for a scooter. One of my idiot co-workers told her there was a "scooter expert" on shift, which of course, I'm not by any means. She had some unknown brand chinese clunker, the rear tire nearly flat, no visible puncture, and the tires worn out like forklift tires with no tread. I was able to top the tire off with the compressor and told her to just drop it off at a local shop and get the tire replaced, not continue to ride around like nothing is wrong, letting her know how bad a wipe out could be. Needless to say, I passed her again about 3 days later and she was again riding on the bald flat tire, totally oblivious.

Oh well, I tried. You can't fix stupid sometimes.

brandon-locksmith · Post by **brandon-locksmith** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:45 pm

I get calls for it all the time it happens because the keys bouncing around just
keep what you need on the ring

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heythere512 · Post by **heythere512** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:24 pm

siobhan wrote:
Tocsik wrote:I know it's an older thread, but I just Stumbled on this:

http://mykeyport.com/product.html

A little expensive but still pretty cool. It might stick out too far for the Buddy's ignition location.
I want this. I don't know why as I only carry the scootah key and the garage lock key on my "personalized" keyring (try finding one off-the-shelf with my name). My first thought was to check what keys they couldn't do...no mention of the /5 banana key.

I really want one.

I absolutely love that there is a keychain thread on this board. Where else?! Just brilliant.

I love gizmos and gadgets like this! Has anyone tried this thing at all - not necessarily for a scoot?

LunaP · Post by **LunaP** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:20 am

I definitely need a carabiner and a keychain revamp I guess- I really didnt think mine was that bad, it doesnt feel heavy at all. I have 2 work keys, one key to each of 3 residences, the Buddy key, my disc lock key, bf's spare chain key, and the key to the old service bay where I park and lock up the scoot while I'm working; also, an LED light from dollar tree.

synaps3 · Post by **synaps3** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:03 pm

I keep a keysafe at home, with keys to each vehicle on it. Each keychain has the ignition key, a house key, and any other misc keys...

Keyrings:
1. Honda CRV key, house key, remote control for lock, key to camper trailer, key to utility trailer
2. Honda Pilot key, house key, key to camper trailer, key to utility trailer
3. Buddy 125 key, house key, U-lock key
4. Honda PCX key, house key (no lock, yay insurance)

Modern Buddy

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