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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:42 am    Post subject: Just curious Reply with quote

Is this site connected to Modern Vespa?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

not really. don't know the entire story but i believe our Admin here at MB is a member and moderator there

the Admin bought / rode a Buddy several years ago and decided to open an MB site to mirror the MV one, as the Buddy had caused some ripples among the Vespa crowd when it first came out. obviously the scoot needed and deserved its own board, and our visionary leader brought us one!

he is is like the steve jobs of BuddyLand. only still breathing Smile

pretty sure that is the story but who knows!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im surprised the dictator that runs modern vespa allowed who ever started this site to use the same style logo.

That guy is a bell end Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

self-proclaimed "petty tyrant" lol
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:55 pm    Post subject: Ahh. Good to know. Reply with quote

Yeah, that guy is rather thin skinned and fits his moniker well.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My understanding is that MV was getting so many threads started about the Buddy that MB was spun off, using the same backend that MV uses, thus the similarity. When management of two forums became too much for Jess' liking, Eric stepped up and took over the board.

MV is a hobby for Jess, requires a great deal of time to moderate and patch/upgrade, and has done the Vespa/scooter enthusiast community a great service. So even if he can be a tool at times, the trains always run on schedule. You know? Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So even if he can be a tool at times, the trains always run on schedule. You know? Laughing


Yeah, may sometimes be true, but I gotta admit: if so, then he's a multi-tool, like a Leatherman; a person with a broad skill/talent set.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

redhandmoto wrote:
Syd wrote:
So even if he can be a tool at times, the trains always run on schedule. You know? Laughing


Yeah, may sometimes be true, but I gotta admit: if so, then he's a multi-tool, like a Leatherman; a person with a broad skill/talent set.

Ha! Quite true.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ROFL
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I don't question the value of MV as a resource. I think it's an amazing site, much like MB, and I sincerely thank anyone involved in running either sites. However, I'm leery of an admin/moderator who calls himself petty and a tyrant.
I just wanted to know if there was a connection between the two sites.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both great sites and my favorite two, though SovietSteeds is now a close third.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poursuivant wrote:
However, I'm leery of an admin/moderator who calls himself petty and a tyrant.


You know, Jess has been successful in whatever he's turned his hand to, and those things are many and varied. As with many successful people, that required a very clear vision of goals, an extraordinary determination to realize them, and a uncompromising commitment.

Those qualities are sometimes seen by others as being rigid and unyielding, but are in fact the basis of any success. MV is a terrific & well-run forum, largely 'open' in spirit and tenor, and mostly free from the juvenile and anarchic shittiness that obtains at many, many forums, and that is because minimal standards are enforced.

When it comes to Internet forums and discussion sites, out there and accessible as they are, sometimes people wrongly see that as meaning that they are public & unregulated, not subject to constraints of behavior, and that posters have some sort of God-given right to behave as they wish, giving free rein to whatever pops into their heads. The number of times people have cited "freedom of speech" in defense of loathsome Internet behavior is laughable.

MV is in fact a privately-held venue, made by and for the use of enthusiasts. In order to ensure its health and continued existence, it is moderated a little more strictly than most. (Persons objecting to this as unwarranted "policing" should consider the root of the terms "moderate", "moderator" and "moderation").

Thus MV continues to be what it is and to do what it does - a place for reasonable and rewarding discussion of Vespas and scooting in general. Jess' self-description as "petty tyrant" is both tongue-in-cheek and not: his policies have kept it healthy, viable, and growing, untainted by rancor and squabbling, and free of turd-slinging.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't deny the value of MV as a resource. On the contrary, I think it's a terrific site.
No one needs to defend anyone here.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AND . . . lots of people read all the posts on both sites.

Smile Public posts, you know?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

amy wrote:
AND . . . lots of people read all the posts on both sites.

Smile Public posts, you know?



Amy, in my usual obtuse way, I'm missing something and don't understand what you are saying here.

Poursuivant - Apologies, my Man; I did sort of launch into a defense there where none was called for, didn't I?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the admin here sets a good tone imo
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

redhandmoto wrote:
amy wrote:
AND . . . lots of people read all the posts on both sites.

Smile Public posts, you know?



Amy, in my usual obtuse way, I'm missing something and don't understand what you are saying here.

Poursuivant - Apologies, my Man; I did sort of launch into a defense there where none was called for, didn't I?


Red- I quite liked your post. Very Happy

My post was perhaps a bit too vague. I don't use MV.com, but it struck me that perhaps the MV admin might read MB.com and feel insulted for being called a tool, thin skinned, etc. I know our admin works hard and I'd hate to see him called out on forum rules on another site.

"Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in his moccasins."
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JHScoot wrote:
the admin here sets a good tone imo

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know our admin works hard and I'd hate to see him called out on forum rules on another site.

"Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in his moccasins."

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Amy
Actually, the MV admin isn't exactly shy about his modus operandus as a moderator. His moniker is pretty indicative of that.
However, that's all beside the point. Nobody's perfect, even moderators.
I asked the OP because I really like how MB is administered and moderated, and I was wondering if there was a connection between the two sites.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ohhhhh...gotchyaaa

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

amy wrote:

"Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in his moccasins."


Amy, you're right. And it is often said that I am as sensitive as a toilet seat.

I was on MV a bit when I owned a Vespa, and still look in from time-to-time. Jess is one of those people who makes things happen, and while his policies are determined, they are not draconian.

As to MB, its genesis from the loins of MV, and how it is also one of the few, mmm, civil sites around, i'm gonna say that Eric comes across as an extraordinarily patient and nice guy, that people respond to that, and mostly rise to it accordingly. My first scoot was a Buddy and I've been here off and on since that time - though it must have happened, I cannot remember anyone kicking up sufficient fuss as to be banned. The relaxed tone here itself, the absence of stridency and rancor seems to self-fulfilling.

Eric is another guy who's passion for all things scoot have him doing things, writing, reviewing, and generally being present in the scooting world, helping it, small as it is is in our culture, remain viable, to grow, even.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm as dictatorial as jess is, the difference being the countries over which we reign. There's just far less need for us to get heavy-handed with ModernBuddy. When we do, it's a big deal because it's so rare.

MV is a much larger community than MB, so much harder to moderate and manage. It takes a large crew of moderators to keep things in line there—most don't see the results of this. (I'm a moderator there, but not as active as I'd like.) The moderation on MV is not arbitrary, and we give a lot of consideration to how the rules are implemented.

The tone of MB evolved directly from ModernVespa and the rules jess created there. It's just been much easier for us to build on that and maintain it thanks to our membership (you guys!) and smaller numbers. We also don't have to contend with as many little factions, the politics, cliques and other interpersonal dynamics over there — at least not to the same degree.

For whatever reasons, members here are just better behaved and seem to appreciate a mostly flame/hater-free forum that's welcoming of newcomers. I know MANY people who've told me that they were just scared off or away from MV.

Unfortunately, many people only see that one side of jess and sort of ignore when he's just posting as a "regular guy" who's just into scooters like the rest of us.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And thanks to all for the props. Smile

Any credit for MB being such a great site is shared by our membership and our moderators. Some people get it. This isn't just some online reference source. It's a community. I'm often in awe of this group and proud that so many think that we're a cut above much of the noise and vitriol so common online.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before the Jess slamming continues I think there is an important point that many may not know.

Jess started Modern Buddy.

So thanks Jess for starting the stone rolling and thanks Eric for letting it gather no moss!

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jess started Modern Buddy.


Jess needs the truck. Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first post on Modern Buddy!
http://www.modernbuddy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2&highlight=#2

June 9, 2006

Who Is going to be the first user to register?

jess wrote:
(yes, that was a taunt)


So why doesn't everyone roll on over to MV and give the bell end, thin skinned, petty tyrant dictator a big thanks!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jess started Modern Buddy.

Yup, I thought that had already been covered. Smile

It's impossible to get involved in the scooter scene/community in this way and emerge unfazed. There's something very surreal about meeting someone for the first time and being tad, "Oh, people were hating on you on the forums today." Even our most innocent, well-intended acts and subject to derision and can make us the targets of criticism and the sort of vile behavior we're happy not to have on MB.

That's not an appeal to sympathy for the poor site admins. But all that chatter means we have to grow thicker skins, sometimes care a little less about some things, and that we wind up with reputations that are often exaggerated if not entirely unfounded.

It's been much worse for jess than for me. His job is not an easy one.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Before the Jess slamming continues ...


You know, I didn't see that there was any real Jess-slamming in this thread.

Seem to recall that Jess himself adopted the handle "petty tyrant" when some particularly miffed poster called him that after being called out on a singularly pungent violation of posting guidelines. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong...

Thereafter it seems to have become a sort of tongue-in-cheek point of pride.

How harsh is the policy in fact? Hardly at all - have still seen in relatively recent times some 'troubled' personalities reeealllly pushing it in a sort of perverse search for a reaction. The world is full of frustrated whack-os in search of a spotlight.

Then there was the time that Eric was called "the Genuine poster boy"...I recall thinking, "Is that supposed to be an insult?"

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Then there was the time that Eric was called "the Genuine poster boy"...
Isn't that just stating the obvious? Razz Hardly any kind of an insult. Eric, clearly you are not giving disgruntled MV folk enough material to work with Smile
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Nice avatar, Skootz!
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redhandmoto wrote:
BuddyRaton wrote:
Before the Jess slamming continues ...


You know, I didn't see that there was any real Jess-slamming in this thread.


Aww there were a few...let's say unkind things said. And yes, Jess wears Petty Tyrant with pride!

I don't run a forum but I do get tired of people pissing and moaning about how a site is run when the owners and moderators put a lot of work into it...for free.

Kinda like inviting people over and having them bitch about the brand of beer you are giving away

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az_slynch wrote:
BuddyRaton wrote:

Jess started Modern Buddy.


Jess needs the truck. Wink


OK...now that was funny!

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BuddyRaton wrote:
az_slynch wrote:
BuddyRaton wrote:

Jess started Modern Buddy.


Jess needs the truck. Wink


OK...now that was funny!


After reading through the whole CBR2012 thread (I know GodzillaBobber and was trying to see how he was doing), that was the primary thing that has truly stuck with me (other than the saga of BillDog's poxxed hand!). What really iced it was when the truck needed a truck. Laughing

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Nice avatar, Skootz!

Thx! I'm hoping soon I have to make another one that includes a Bonneville. Smile

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Syd wrote:
Nice avatar, Skootz!

Thx! I'm hoping soon I have to make another one that includes a Bonneville. Smile

Wait another couple of years and the one million unshaven LA trend jumpers who bought them this year will all be selling them when they get into something else. Razz

I pass at least three or four on my way to or from work every day!

This weekend, Lindsey said she wanted one too (as did a whole bunch of people riding with us). I said, "There are other Triumphs!" She said, "Really?" I went on about the Tiger 650 and she got bored. But later at the Rock Store I pointed out several non-Bonnies to her: a Thunderbird, a Thruxton, a Speed Triple.

Of course, they were all outclassed by a white '70s BMW R75/5 with toaster tank. Twisted Evil

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ericalm wrote:
"... one million unshaven LA trend jumpers ..."


Heh...I'm gonna pay ya royalties to use that'un...

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Skootz Kabootz wrote:
Syd wrote:
Nice avatar, Skootz!

Thx! I'm hoping soon I have to make another one that includes a Bonneville. Smile

Wait another couple of years and the one million unshaven LA trend jumpers who bought them this year will all be selling them when they get into something else. Razz

I pass at least three or four on my way to or from work every day!

This weekend, Lindsey said she wanted one too (as did a whole bunch of people riding with us). I said, "There are other Triumphs!" She said, "Really?" I went on about the Tiger 650 and she got bored. But later at the Rock Store I pointed out several non-Bonnies to her: a Thunderbird, a Thruxton, a Speed Triple.

Of course, they were all outclassed by a white '70s BMW R75/5 with toaster tank. Twisted Evil


The BMW R75/5 is a sweet bike! I'd love one when I live somewhere with a garage and can work on vintage.

Really I have no idea about all that trendy stuff (as anyone who has met me will attest to) but I can't fault people for liking an awesome bike. What does piss me off the absurd prices some of these people think they can sell their Bonnie's for! Seriously ridiculous. I know I'll never pay those prices. Hard to afford a plaid shirt after paying that... Razz

Lindsay — I think she just wants a Bonnie because her pal Jennifer wants one. Which is funny because I would have taken Lindsay to be a Sportster girl. Smile

As for me, all I know is I've wanted a Bonnie ever since I was a little kid and I am damn well going to own one while I am still young enough to ride it for a few years. Life is short and a man's got to have priorities! That is the only trend I try to follow. (Well, except for that one haircut I got in the 80's. But that's another story).

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Syd wrote:
Nice avatar, Skootz!


I had to look at it twice before I noticed the 300. Derp.

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Skootz Kabootz wrote:
As for me, all I know is I've wanted a Bonnie ever since I was a little kid and I am damn well going to own one while I am still young enough to ride it for a few years. Life is short and a man's got to have priorities! That is the only trend I try to follow. (Well, except for that one haircut I got in the 80's. But that's another story).

Hey, you were ahead of the curve on this one! Trendsetter. It's always been the case that true cool comes from people who are neither aware of it nor really give a crap about it. Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ericalm wrote:
...Any credit for MB being such a great site is shared by our membership and our moderators. Some people get it. This isn't just some online reference source. It's a community...

Since I'm an example of this comment, I'll admit it's not a devout gear-head forum. That's okay though. I like doing write ups. Wink Plus it means I can hopefully be of help to other people every now and again. I've actually met a couple of MB members in real life since joining. It's a pretty cool site for that since there's a lot of people from my town on here.

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