POLL: Regular or Premium?
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POLL: Regular or Premium?
This isn't meant to be a discussion of whether we need to follow what Genuine/PGO have said and use Premium gas. There's a lot of discussion about it here on the board.
I'm just curious how many of us use regular and how many of us use premium in our Buddy. I know that different stations have different octane ratings for their Regular/Premium, so let's just keep this simple: You use the good stuff or you use the regular stuff.
If you would, after voting, please add a post saying which one you chose- it might be helpful to see that someone who has a ton of miles on their Buddy and has been using Regular is doing just fine, or vice versa.
I'm just curious how many of us use regular and how many of us use premium in our Buddy. I know that different stations have different octane ratings for their Regular/Premium, so let's just keep this simple: You use the good stuff or you use the regular stuff.
If you would, after voting, please add a post saying which one you chose- it might be helpful to see that someone who has a ton of miles on their Buddy and has been using Regular is doing just fine, or vice versa.
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premium gives better performance, there's no way around it. In my buddy 50 at least, there is a HUGE difference between the good stuff and the regular. Now with the 125's more power, you are sure to loose the same noticibility in a lack of power/hesitation, but rest assured there is a difference. Now you just have to decide wether the extra cost is worth that (little) increase in performance. I am talking about very little difference that becomes less noticable the larger the motor.
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That's a pretty definitive statement saying it's better performance. Would you provide us with some background info?poop colored buddy wrote:premium gives better performance, there's no way around it...rest assured there is a difference
edit: just read the OP, he doesn't want the discussion to get into "better or worse", so I withdraw my question.
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I always use premium (91 octane in CA). I Dont know if it makes a difference but I can afford the extra 20 cents a week so its not a big deal. I also always use gas from a top tier company like mobil or chevron and try to use stations that have separate hoses so I dont get a hose full of 87 with every fill. I know it probably doesnt matter one bit, but my scooters my baby.
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Well it's not that I specifically don't want discussion, I'm just more interested in the poll results. Talk of regular or premium has been done a lot here and I didn't want anyone rolling their eyes at me for bringing it up again!!!lobsterman wrote:That's a pretty definitive statement saying it's better performance. Would you provide us with some background info?poop colored buddy wrote:premium gives better performance, there's no way around it...rest assured there is a difference
edit: just read the OP, he doesn't want the discussion to get into "better or worse", so I withdraw my question.
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Im going to use Premium, Iv had a lot of problems with our other vehicles acting weird when we get bad fuel, and regular unleaded seems to be the culprit. THe check engine light comes on, and it runs like its on its last leg, then we run a tank of Premium or Medium grade gas through it and its all better. I think it depends on the gas station too, it seems 7/11's gas is really crappy, and circle K's too, but Mobil is pretty good, and so is QT. Does anyone have a favorite gas station that has made them happy/satisfied? Who has bad gas(fuel) and should be avoided?
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I use the cheapest regular I can find in my Buddy as well as 4 of the 6 cars I currently drive. Always have, always will.
I use the cheapest high octane I can find in my two Porsches as they require it. They really like 92 but here in California we're stuck with 91 unless you pay a really premium price at a few very specialized locations.
I've been using the cheapest stuff since 1955 and have never had a problem. I still drive the 1949 MG TC that I used for my initial license exam. You buy anything else you are just throwing your money away
I use the cheapest high octane I can find in my two Porsches as they require it. They really like 92 but here in California we're stuck with 91 unless you pay a really premium price at a few very specialized locations.
I've been using the cheapest stuff since 1955 and have never had a problem. I still drive the 1949 MG TC that I used for my initial license exam. You buy anything else you are just throwing your money away
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Octane threads are almost as potent as helmet threads! A few things to consider. A higher octane actually supresses detonation to reduce pinging or knocking by reducing auto detonation.. It also tends to make a four stroke run hotter which is not the best thing for an air cooled engine...especially in South Florida! "Increased" performance is pretty much a placebo effect "I paid more so it must run better"
Two strokes are a different story. Performance depends more on the composition of the gasoline than the octane rating. I tend to use BP in my two strokes because of the high benzene content. It has to do with the "scavaging" that takes place in a two stroke.
Have fun with this thread all
Oh yeah...I run regular!
Two strokes are a different story. Performance depends more on the composition of the gasoline than the octane rating. I tend to use BP in my two strokes because of the high benzene content. It has to do with the "scavaging" that takes place in a two stroke.
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Oh yeah...I run regular!
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I can only speak from the point of view from a 50cc 2 stroke. There is NO placebo effect, premium runs better. About 5 mph more with better gas, and faster response with the throttle. I have run both, and cheaper gas with lower octane runs worse. It just does. Also, as mentioned above, some gas stations have better stuff. Like I said, in my 150 I can't tell ANY difference at all, but in the 50cc, there is a noticable change in the way the scoots runs. If it were a placebo effect I would be preaching that it effects all scooters, I can tell you that when I look at my speedo, and I am going 5 mph slower on the same road as yesterday with no wind, and the only variable is the gas; and then you notice this to be true on more than one occasion, it leads me to believe that there is a difference.
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poop colored buddy wrote:I can only speak from the point of view from a 50cc 2 stroke. There is NO placebo effect, premium runs better. About 5 mph more with better gas, and faster response with the throttle. I have run both, and cheaper gas with lower octane runs worse. It just does. Also, as mentioned above, some gas stations have better stuff. Like I said, in my 150 I can't tell ANY difference at all, but in the 50cc, there is a noticable change in the way the scoots runs. If it were a placebo effect I would be preaching that it effects all scooters, I can tell you that when I look at my speedo, and I am going 5 mph slower on the same road as yesterday with no wind, and the only variable is the gas; and then you notice this to be true on more than one occasion, it leads me to believe that there is a difference.
Ummm yeah....I think thats why I said 2 strokes are a different story.
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premium or regular
Well, since you asked. . . I run regular grade in everything I own.
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Using low compression gas (regular) in a scooter that has a low compression engine (buddy 125/150) is fine and works well.
Using higher compression (premium grade) gas wont give you any more power in your scooter, it can only handle so much, and using better gas isnt going to "force" the bike to put out more.
Using higher compression (premium grade) gas wont give you any more power in your scooter, it can only handle so much, and using better gas isnt going to "force" the bike to put out more.
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Thanks for the great link illnoise! I have an audiophile friend that'll get a kick out of this. Of course, I'm a bit of an audio geek myself but could never stomach going whole-hog for cables. And, of course, Monsters are only the tip of the iceberg. They're cheap and incredibly common compared to some of the other rare earth zero oxygen cables out there.illnoise wrote:http://gizmodo.com/363154/audiophile-de ... oat-hanger
As for gas, my Ducati 2 valve calls for premium but runs great on mid grade. The Buddy seems to run fine on mid grad as well, which is 87 here at altitude. I'll probably experiment with regular when the weather warms up and I start running through tankfuls more quickly. I do rely on certain brands because I've had bad experiences with a few brands and some no-name gas stations. So, here in Colorado, I tend to look for Conoco, Phillips and Shell and have had no problems with those brands.
Someone can probably refute this, but a friend in the business told me last year that premium name brand gas has more additives than comparable regular and that this gas will last longer in your tank without breaking down. I have no way to prove this but I've been using premium during the cold winter months ever since and have never had an issue with bad or stale gas.
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... this could go on for some time ...
I'm really just replying so I can un-click the little part that says "notify me when
a reply is posted" cuz I'm getting like 10 emails a day from this thread!
I see that both have their benefits, but I guess I'm
sticking with good ol' REGGY! ~That's how I roll.
I'm really just replying so I can un-click the little part that says "notify me when
a reply is posted" cuz I'm getting like 10 emails a day from this thread!
I see that both have their benefits, but I guess I'm
sticking with good ol' REGGY! ~That's how I roll.
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premium or regular
There are many posters who claim they only used regular and there scooter runs fine. What are they comparing this too? The only real way is to spend the 20 cents aand find out.
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OK as a result of this poll I put a tank of regular in. I am aware that the manual calls for regular but my dealer said premium. Like I said in the OP, there's always a lot of back and forth on the gas thing in threads like these but it seems most of you are running regular (especially some long-timers which is important in a discussion like this).
I'm especially thankful for your comments about heat, BuddyRaton- I had read about higher octane gas producing nothing but extra heat in a tiny four stroke engine, and as you said that's a big deal down here (even though we've been having GORGEOUS high 70's riding temps the past few days!!!).
So, we'll see how my 125 does with regular 87!
On a side note, I did a little milage calculating tonight and I'm getting an average of 84MPG so far. In almost three months I've spent about $35 on gas (10.786 gallons)!!! I love my scooter.
Oh- and here's a few threads where there has been discussion on this topic (may help avoid rehashing it too much!)
filler up
Grade (Octane) of gas
I'm especially thankful for your comments about heat, BuddyRaton- I had read about higher octane gas producing nothing but extra heat in a tiny four stroke engine, and as you said that's a big deal down here (even though we've been having GORGEOUS high 70's riding temps the past few days!!!).
So, we'll see how my 125 does with regular 87!
On a side note, I did a little milage calculating tonight and I'm getting an average of 84MPG so far. In almost three months I've spent about $35 on gas (10.786 gallons)!!! I love my scooter.
Oh- and here's a few threads where there has been discussion on this topic (may help avoid rehashing it too much!)
filler up
Grade (Octane) of gas
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If you're running a heavily modifed (de-restricted) motor, chances are your timing has been affected slightly. Stock, low-compression engines only need 87. A modified engine may need higher octane due to the changes you've made.
High levels of benzene runs well in 2 strokes? I learn something new everyday, that's why MB is the best
High levels of benzene runs well in 2 strokes? I learn something new everyday, that's why MB is the best
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Hey man I wasn't trying to throw some low blow jab to you. I was just elaborating on my previous statement because of yours. It wasn't meant as a come back.BuddyRaton wrote:poop colored buddy wrote:I can only speak from the point of view from a 50cc 2 stroke. There is NO placebo effect, premium runs better. About 5 mph more with better gas, and faster response with the throttle. I have run both, and cheaper gas with lower octane runs worse. It just does. Also, as mentioned above, some gas stations have better stuff. Like I said, in my 150 I can't tell ANY difference at all, but in the 50cc, there is a noticable change in the way the scoots runs. If it were a placebo effect I would be preaching that it effects all scooters, I can tell you that when I look at my speedo, and I am going 5 mph slower on the same road as yesterday with no wind, and the only variable is the gas; and then you notice this to be true on more than one occasion, it leads me to believe that there is a difference.
Ummm yeah....I think thats why I said 2 strokes are a different story.
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87 as it says to. I'l try some 91 next time just to see the miniscule power addition.
Haha! glad to see I'm not the only crazy one who keeps log of these things. (I am at $43.94 and 13.487 gallons.)jmazza wrote:On a side note, I did a little milage calculating tonight and I'm getting an average of 84MPG so far. In almost three months I've spent about $35 on gas (10.786 gallons)!!! I love my scooter.
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Yeah, I actually don't keep a log of the $$ (though I could go through my bank register), just the gallons I put in each fillup, the date, and the odometer reading. Tonight I put it into excel. Not proud of that. In my scoot there's a tiny moleskine that I write it all in.awfulshot wrote:87 as it says to. I'l try some 91 next time just to see the miniscule power addition.
Haha! glad to see I'm not the only crazy one who keeps log of these things. (I am at $43.94 and 13.487 gallons.)jmazza wrote:On a side note, I did a little milage calculating tonight and I'm getting an average of 84MPG so far. In almost three months I've spent about $35 on gas (10.786 gallons)!!! I love my scooter.
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How about everyone at least reads the Wikipedia entry on "Octane Rating" and we start this thread over?
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Yeah, you can tell a scooterist by all the $4.72 charges on his/her debit card statement.jmazza wrote:Yeah, I actually don't keep a log of the $$ (though I could go through my bank register)
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GT100 wrote
Oh, and I will use regular.
Don't waste your money on Branded cables. Go to www.monoprice.com for all your cable needs. I am not associated with them ata all, I just can't tell the difference between a $75 Monster cable and the ones I get there from $4.00.illnoise wrote:
http://gizmodo.com/363154/audiophile-de ... oat-hanger
Thanks for the great link illnoise! I have an audiophile friend that'll get a kick out of this. Of course, I'm a bit of an audio geek myself but could never stomach going whole-hog for cables. And, of course, Monsters are only the tip of the iceberg. They're cheap and incredibly common compared to some of the other rare earth zero oxygen cables out there.
Oh, and I will use regular.
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Another great link, thank you!EP_scoot wrote:GT100 wrote
Don't waste your money on Branded cables. Go to www.monoprice.com for all your cable needs. I am not associated with them ata all, I just can't tell the difference between a $75 Monster cable and the ones I get there from $4.00.illnoise wrote:
http://gizmodo.com/363154/audiophile-de ... oat-hanger
Thanks for the great link illnoise! I have an audiophile friend that'll get a kick out of this. Of course, I'm a bit of an audio geek myself but could never stomach going whole-hog for cables. And, of course, Monsters are only the tip of the iceberg. They're cheap and incredibly common compared to some of the other rare earth zero oxygen cables out there.
Oh, and I will use regular.
This thread proves that even well meaning, carefully designed questions can provoke all sorts of unanticipated outcomes. Gas, oil, helmets and break-in strategies are topics that just seem to generate sometimes passionate discourse.
Don't think for a second that I'm bashing the OP or any of the folks who responded because I'm not. In fact, I think we still culled some valuable information from this thread (well, I know I did) and it seems to me that everyone stayed polite. It's just a very interesting group dynamic at work here.
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Re: POLL: Regular or Premium?
2006, 125cc -- 6000 miles, 87 octane, when I kept track I was actually getting between 95-100 mpg. Before I read POC Phil's lecture on octane, I used premium on the advice of some yahoo who had his ideas on octane all backwards. I think it performed better after switching to regular... but that could be a placebo.
Personally, I think it's good to talk about this stuff. We just needs to edumacate ourselves about what really is best... For example, in this one thread, one poster says PGO calls for premium, and another regular. What does your manual really recommend for your scooter??
As far as dealers who contradict what the manual calls for:
Expensive Sugar pills work better than cheap ones. And we tend to be happier/more satisfied with purchases that cost more. So your dealer may think that by telling you that your scooter needs "premium" fuel that you are going to be happier/more satisfied with your "premium" machine.
Personally, I think it's good to talk about this stuff. We just needs to edumacate ourselves about what really is best... For example, in this one thread, one poster says PGO calls for premium, and another regular. What does your manual really recommend for your scooter??
As far as dealers who contradict what the manual calls for:
Expensive Sugar pills work better than cheap ones. And we tend to be happier/more satisfied with purchases that cost more. So your dealer may think that by telling you that your scooter needs "premium" fuel that you are going to be happier/more satisfied with your "premium" machine.
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Which is why these threads get so animated.Sunil wrote:but my scooters my baby.
For many of us, the decision to use regular is not about cost, but what our understanding of octane and what we think is best for our scooters. http://theserviceadvisor.com/octane.htmSunil wrote:I can afford the extra 20 cents a week so its not a big deal.
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Exactly! Milk is only a little more expensive than premium, why not pamper your Buddy?sunshinen wrote:For many of us, the decision to use regular is not about cost, but what our understanding of octane and what we think is best for our scooters.
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The Blur runs on Milk? Is that the new-fangled M85 fuel I've been hearing about?illnoise wrote:Exactly! Milk is only a little more expensive than premium, why not pamper your Buddy?sunshinen wrote:For many of us, the decision to use regular is not about cost, but what our understanding of octane and what we think is best for our scooters.
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You should know better. A group of scooterists staying out of a debate? Ha!jmazza wrote:illnoise wrote:How about everyone at least reads the Wikipedia entry on "Octane Rating" and we start this thread over?
That's why I wanted to try to stay away from discussion and just get the poll results! Sorry for opening up this can o' high test worms again!!
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poop colored buddy wrote:Hey man I wasn't trying to throw some low blow jab to you. I was just elaborating on my previous statement because of yours. It wasn't meant as a come back.
NP pooper! You might want to try different brands of regular. If you do let us know how it works!
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poop colored buddy wrote:Hey man I wasn't trying to throw some low blow jab to you. I was just elaborating on my previous statement because of yours. It wasn't meant as a come back.
NP pooper! You might want to try different brands of regular. If you do let us know how it works!
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