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I live 15 miles inland from downtown San Diego. It was 110 F today. I already had plan to visit my favorite scooter shop, Motorsports, and admire their empty showroom :rofl:. I promised them posters and flyers for an upcoming ride.

I decided to make some exceptions to my usual ATGATT philosophy. The jacket-left at home and replace by a t-shirt. The leather gloves-mesh gloves. The jeans-changed to shorts. The full helmet-half helmet. The boots stayed.

The weather at Motorsports was slightly cooler, at least under 100. My daughter (riding double) was wearing a full helmet begged me for a half-helmet. Funny it happened to be on sale for $25.

Wallet lighter, I decided to head for the beach. OOOOOOhhhh much cooler there!

At what point does ATGATT (all-the-gear, all-the time) go out the window for you?
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Yeah, as it gets hotter--and more humid--I tend to wear shorts more. But I still wear my 3/4 helmet, mesh jacket and mesh gloves. But for some reason, I have a really tough time wearing long pants! :oops:
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Today was brutal. I rode (Red Raleigh) Escondido to Leucadia PO then to aprox downtown Encinitas (shelter) and then back to Escondido. I had to stop and cool off 4 times during the aprox 40 miles. This was the closest I came to passing out on the side of the road. Made it to my apartment only to shower and fall onto bed for a while. :whew: Now watching San Diego and Detroit and doing laundry. Yeepee.

Scooters saw: Today I was definitely jealous of anyone with a motor. Saw two cuties riding late model vespas. no buds.

edit: I forgot. Wore my cycling helmet. Had hanki to wrap around neck that i would occasional soak in luke warm bottle water. Lost it at the worst part of the trip, just before Encinitas. Could have used it on the long climb back up. Also wore cycling shoes, shorts with wicking underwear and tank style quick wicking top.
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We had to stop 3 times for water too. Got home and down more water. Went to the bookstore, more water.

Almost forgot, I saw tons of people riding 2 wheelers. A whole gaggle of Chinese scoots, 3 Vespas, and 3 Buddys. One in North Park along University Ave and 30th St one Mission Valley near Sears, coming off Mission Bay Dr towards the Sports Arena.
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I went riding for the first time in a couple days. It was about 101 or so by the time I got out, but it had been up around 107 earlier. The wind was little relief—felt like being blasted with hot air.

I don't have a mesh jacket yet, so for my short trip today, I went jacketless. I wore my 3/4 helmet for the first time in a long while, gloves, and jeans. I can't scoot in shorts... Maybe the sense that I shouldn't is so great, I have a mental block or something. But really, I don't know that I'd be cool enough to make it worth it. i was also wearing some SPF 70 sunscreen.

A lot of riders out today, most (like me) in short sleeve shirts, jeans, gloves, helmet. I saw one guy in full gear—only person I saw today with a mesh jacket.

I may make another short outing tomorrow, but I'll keep it short and may aim for a morning or evening when it's a bit cooler.
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I've been commuting to work all week wearing my Corazzo 5.0 jacket. Morning and evening rides weren't too bad until this past Thursday when I stopped for gas in the AM. I was gearing up to head out when I saw a pick-up truck that broke down just outside the Arco station. Good samaritan that I am, I took off my helmet and ran over to help push it into the station, still wearing my jacket. By the time we got the truck parked, I was absolutely roasting. Without question, my first purchase tomorrow will be a mesh jacket.
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I always wear my mesh jacket, mesh armored gloves and full face helmet. Always. In the summer if too hot to wear jeans I wear shorts. Along with those shorts I wear my mesh pants with upgraded hip and knee armor.

It is never too hot to wear safety gear.

I think most people are simply spoiled by air conditioning. That is a difficult thing to change. Most of my career has been spent working outdoors in the heat and humidity. Now I am desk bound 75% of the time. Lifelong admin types come into my office and complain about how hot and stuffy it is because the a/c is set on 82. Turn your a/c up, adjust and you will not mind going out in the heat.

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Frankly, when ever it is really hot and humid, or when ever I feel like it I guess, I always wear a helmet and gloves regardless of the heat.
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nuttmeg75 wrote:I've been commuting to work all week wearing my Corazzo 5.0 jacket. Morning and evening rides weren't too bad until this past Thursday when I stopped for gas in the AM. I was gearing up to head out when I saw a pick-up truck that broke down just outside the Arco station. Good samaritan that I am, I took off my helmet and ran over to help push it into the station, still wearing my jacket. By the time we got the truck parked, I was absolutely roasting. Without question, my first purchase tomorrow will be a mesh jacket.
I find that once I hit that overheated moment in a jacket, I'm kind of screwed.

It's been getting hot pretty early in these parts. Kudos to you for sticking it out in the 5.0. What kind of mesh are you getting and where are you going to get it?
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Turn your a/c up, adjust and you will not mind going out in the heat.
I had my home AC turned up to 78 but it was getting tough on my poor little dogs. I've knocked it down to 75 during the heat of the day, which helps them a little bit. But the heat has become punishing and we're not even over 95 here! Humidity is the great killer, I think.
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All this talk makes me glad to live in the Chicago area. MAYBE we will see 90s at the peak of summer... But for me, im still new, so FF helmet, mesh armored jacket and leather boots for me EVERY ride. Ive been really bad thou, still havent found a nice pair of gloves yet.
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I agree with Dennis, it isn't some of the gear, some of the time or all of the gear except when it is hot.
I wear Nolan full face flip up helmet, (it has vents that allow air flow) First Gear mesh jacket with ce armor in shoulders, arms and back (quite cool when moving), First Gear padded mesh gloves, mesh armored pants sometimes over shorts but usually over slacks or jeans sometimes I wear jeans over shorts or over dress slacks, TourMaster over the ankle boots with ankle protection.
All of the gear, all of the time.
Sorry if this sounded like a rant. Life is short, play hard and use the right gear.
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GFridrich3 wrote:All this talk makes me glad to live in the Chicago area.
That's not what they were saying in 1995.
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Back in summer of 2001, in 100+ degree South Texas heat, a car ran a red light and forced my to brake hard and I went down at about 45mph. Whil that is not fast was fast enough to get some road rash; I am sure that scraping along the pavement in 100 degree heat felt worse than the impact of the pavement itself. That and the fact that I am no longer 21 so my ability to heal as fast as Wolverine has diminished. I now would rather sweat my ass off in my mesh jacket than skim along hot pavement again. Just my two cents worth.
For whatever its worth; my brother in law swears by his riding jacket with removable sleaves, which he removes when not riding then slides them back on; because it is easier to store the sleeves bythemselve in the underseat compartment than stuffing in the entire jacket or having to carry the jacket when not riding. I might look into one of those jackets next. I think it is made by Cortech.
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ericalm wrote: I find that once I hit that overheated moment in a jacket, I'm kind of screwed.
Yeah, the one time I reached that point last week, I was a couple blocks from the office when I started to develop a throbbing headache. Luckily, once I removed my helmet, got some fluids in me, and got into some AC, I was fine.
ericalm wrote:It's been getting hot pretty early in these parts. Kudos to you for sticking it out in the 5.0. What kind of mesh are you getting and where are you going to get it?
I went with the Fieldsheer High Temp Mesh Jacket. I got it at Honda of Hollywood for $189+tax. I probably could've found one cheaper, but I needed it NOW. Overall, I'm very happy with it.
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Once people have experienced road rash they understand how it hurts and how long it takes to heal (even if you're eighteen) and understand that heat and humidity is an inconvenience, not a life changing event.

Hey, Pugbuddy,

Tough on the dogs? :rofl:

I lost the battle of thermostat at home and have had to wear a jacket to keep warm. All the time my wife is running around yelling, "ITS HHHHHOT IN HERE, TURN DOWN THE A/C/!! Fans everywhere in addition to the ceiling fans, the kids rolling their eyes and shaking their heads. Things have improved since the swimming pool was put in. Now she turns the thermostat UP to keep from freezing when coming inside from the pool.
Thank you, Lord.

My wife only wears a 3/4 helmet and gloves in summer. Its too HHHHHHHOT! I give up.

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Wow I feel bad that I can wear all my gear and still get chilled. upper 50s to low 60s is rough in June :cry:
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I admit that I make gear choices based on heat. Although I'd say they are more based on humidity!!

I wear the jacket most of the time, but there are times when I find it just too hot to wear.
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only men's sizes. saw it at the shop last week and was the lightest most open mesh jacket iv'e seen. much lighter and open than mine also with good armour. so even though it is black it is super duper light.
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last month i wasn't feeling well at work, then i rode home in 98 degree heat, wearing my roma jacket (::cough:: heavy with an un-removable waterproof liner) and at a red light i almost passed out. i was *baking* in the sun while all migraine-y. kept it together long enough to make it home, and threw up as soon as i was in the house. sorry to not spare you the details. that was undoubtedly the least fun i've had in a very long time. ordered my mesh jacket after i recovered from the nasty stomach virus i didn't know i had.

moral of the story: ATGATT, absolutely. but lets keep in mind weather-appropriate gear. it's not helpful to be geared up if you're going to be so uncomfortable that you will not be able to concentrate on the road.
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I broke my "All the time" rule for the first time last week. It was 60% humidity at 90 degrees. I was still wearing a full face helmet, boots, heavy duty pants and gloves, but I don't yet have a mesh jacket. Time to get one I think.
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Kaos wrote:I broke my "All the time" rule for the first time last week. It was 60% humidity at 90 degrees. I was still wearing a full face helmet, boots, heavy duty pants and gloves, but I don't yet have a mesh jacket. Time to get one I think.
Sounds like an average day here. Get rid of the heavy duty pants and pick up the armored mesh ones. Also mesh gloves, Open your visor a tad. You will be a happy scooterist.

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I'd KILL for 60% humidity!! 8)
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jmazza wrote:I'd KILL for 60% humidity!! 8)
It would probably be better to move before resorting to homicide.

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jmazza: Heh, yeah Oregon isn't near as bad as south Florida! I wonder how you people survive the humidity down there.
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I know that we are suppose to wear all this safety gear. I do wear a helmet all the time and long pants. But that is about it. I am more concerned about not doing anything stupid, like falling off the scoot.

I attended the Gasoline Rally this past weekend in Indianapolis. After reading this forum, I was concerned that I might be underdressed.

My observation of the 140 scooterist there indicated I was the norm or slightly overdressed. Everyone had to wear a helmet because of the lap around the Indianapolis Motorspeedway. Other than that, most had shortsleeve shirts and some shorts.
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...item for upper body protection is the Draggin Jeans K Shirt. I bought one a few years ago after suffering in Montreal downtown heat with my armored jacket. It is a Kevlar weave shirt that covers everything from the neck to hips. No armor, which is why I try not to use it if I am going above 60 km/h for a sustained period. Still, it is a lot cooler than my jacket and provides reasonable abrasion protection.
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Kaos wrote:jmazza: Heh, yeah Oregon isn't near as bad as south Florida! I wonder how you people survive the humidity down there.
We just stay wet. And wear clothing colors that don't show it.

I've got a lot of family up in your area and someday I think we'll end up there. I'm a pretty die hard East Coaster but I could deal with all that beauty!! I've spent some time in Portland and just loved it.
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ericalm wrote:
jmazza wrote:I'd KILL for 60% humidity!! 8)
It would probably be better to move before resorting to homicide.

;)
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Helmet and gloves all the time. I'll go to shorts first, then I'll ditch the jacket when it gets too hot. I wear a full face helmet, so I ditch the jacket before most.

I have a short commute to work, so I'll admit I rarely wear the jacket when commuting over about 80 degrees. Sweat and sales aren't a good combo.
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DennisD wrote:My wife only wears a 3/4 helmet and gloves in summer.
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i know i've said it before but i love my fieldsheer motomorph jacket because it's a four season jacket. it is a mesh jacket with a liner and a cover. i love it, and i only had to buy one jacket.

i liked it enough that i just ordered the matching pants which are called the fieldsheer four season pants.
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a bank I rode past today (140-ish mile trip for me today) said the temp was 107 and I was told the heat index was over 110.

on my ride today I wore my ff, mesh armored jacket, armored mesh gloves, blue jeans and boots. Which is the same gear I always wear.

I think I calculated roughly 100 ounces of water that I drank between 9am-5pm (time I was out riding)...and I still drank more when I got home. I was hot but I never felt over-heated. I was also glad for my seat cover as it kept my seat (and my seat) from getting super hot.

I considered losing the jacket and gloves, but then I remembered that I decided I was an ATGATT person and I kept it on. I did stop on the way home twice; once to gas up and once to get a drink of water...I figured it best to stop more often than normal just to make sure I wasn't fading under the sun without realizing it. I was fine, btw, and had a great ride.
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Always: 3/4 helmet, gloves, glasses, PANTS, no shorts. Even if the pants are calf-length (capris)--totally psychological, I know. And, I don't wear sandals (i.e. sport sandals such as Chacos or Keens). Don't wear boots either....yet.

Want to get a 5.0, but don't see the point for the summer, so definitely by fall. Maybe will try to grab an inexpensive mesh. Have little $ to spare right now.
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What defines "all the gear" ie , just a helmet or only a FF, etc ?

The gear I use is directly associated with the weather, if its really hot & humid, (90 degrees and up) cycling gloves, a half helmet, shorts or long pants & sunglasses, if I'm out for a longish time a windbreaker googles and long pants, as it gets cooler I up the clothing to combat the increasing wind cooling..............but at all times I do my best to ride defensively, I believe that is the lynch pin to staying upright and safe.
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The impresion I get is that ATGATT is full body coverage for protection. That for me is as follows:
-reinforced full fingered motorcycle gloves-I currently have leather/mesh reinforced gloves that provide decent protection while still allowing decent cooling in the summer. I will be getting armored cold weather gloves for the winter months

-FF helmet-all the evidence that I have seen showing the front chin area being a high percentage impact area and me not ever wanting to eat a bug or get a stinging insect stuck in my helmet! :shock:

-armored jacket-currently I am wearing a multiseason jacket by Rocket. A large portion of the jacket is removable turning it into a mostly mesh jacket for summer use with armor padding covering all the joint areas and the entire back. It has a removable waterproof liner and can have all the panels zipped back on for cooler weather riding. I still plan on getting a heavier armored leather jacket for cold weather riding but the rocket just great for the hot Texas weather I am riding in now.

-full length pants-Currently I feel like I fall a bit short here. I always wear full length jeans but would preffer to be in armored riding pants and will be purchasing some as soon as money allows(matching mesh with my jacket if possible) Then heavier ones for the cold weather(Cold being a relative term here in Texas :wink: )

-reinforced over the ankle boots-currently I wear a pair of waterproof leather steel toed construction boots with rubber soles. They are very comfortable and provide decent protection for my feet and toes but again I feel they fall short in protecting my ankles from any type of possible impact damage. They are also slip on so I feel the need to get some actual reinforced riding boots sometime in the near future.

In any case I wear what I have for full gear all the time. I will be adding more and better gear as I can as I want to improve my odds for avoiding serious injury should I ever have an accident. At the same time I will be aiming to get gear appropriate for as wide of weather conditions as I can since comfort while riding just adds to the already very enjoyable experience. :D
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newslinky wrote:The impresion I get is that ATGATT is full body coverage for protection.
That's what i've always assumed as well. There's no strict definition that specifies what type of gear we're talking about. i know a lot of ATGATT adherents probably don't wear riding pants all the time, for instance.
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ericalm wrote:
newslinky wrote:The impresion I get is that ATGATT is full body coverage for protection.
That's what i've always assumed as well. There's no strict definition that specifies what type of gear we're talking about. i know a lot of ATGATT adherents probably don't wear riding pants all the time, for instance.
I currently fall into that category as all I wear are blue jeans. I don't really consider them as a part of ATGATT gear as they really dont offer much in the way of protection from anything. Still I wear them over shorts because shorts would just be silly looking with an armored jacket and FF on. :P
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If it's *really* too hot for ATGATT, it's too ride to ride. Period.

I broke down last week and finally replaced my denim "Draggin Jacket" and non-perf leather, and fall/winter/spring Belstaff jacket with one of those new fancy Tourmaster jackets that's like 3-in-1.

Then I set off on a 1,000-mile weekend Enfield ride to the AMA VMD's and back.

Boots, draggin' Jeans, perforated gloves, FF helmet, and only the mesh part of the new jacket. Temps wound up being in the low-70's to 80 for most of the weekend, and I was darn near COLD with just the mesh jacket...
Sunday as I neared St. Louis, it ouf course got gradually hotter and miserable. Temps in the mid-90's out on the pavement, plus the heat of the old Ironhead down inbetwix the legs...
Still, it was tolerable. I can't believe I went this long without a proper mesh jacket. and I can't believe how much air pases through it. WAY more than my wife's FistGear mesh... it was like wearing nothing at all! I even got a sunburn on my arms through it!
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Hey StL_Stadtroller,

thanks for the mini-review of the jacket. My b/f and I both wear leather jackets and it is not fun. I keep saying, we need mesh jackets, but he's waiting on the Corazzo 5 in his size/color combo. I told him I don't think it's gonna be much better than the leather. The fact the mesh allowed you to get sunburned makes me happy to think I can arrive somewhere without looking like a wet dishrag.
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I own both a Corazzo 5.0 and a Fieldsheer mesh. The Corazzo is NOT a good hot weather jacket. Its tollerable up to 75ish with the vents open, but above that its too hot. The mesh jacket is actually COOLER than not wearing it. Its very comfortable up to 100(thats the hottest I've tried it in)
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Thanks Kaos. I really like my leather (it's a vintage racing jacket from France) but man, on the nasty humid days we get in July and August, it can be really bad. And the b/f's leather is BLACK on top of it, but he's so sweet, he never complains. So I think we'll start looking at mesh...maybe sweat it out one more year and get a good deal as the weather starts to chill.
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newslinky wrote:Still I wear them over shorts because shorts would just be silly looking with an armored jacket and FF on. :P
I'll have you know I wear armored mesh and helmet AND gloves with my work attire (capris and a short sleeve/sleeveless top) and Chucks everyday...

I carry my work shoes in the pet carrier and switch out at work.

There's nothing wrong with shorts (my capris look like long shorts when I'm sitting down) and mesh armored jacket, nothing at all.
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StL_Stadtroller wrote:Then I set off on a 1,000-mile weekend Enfield ride to the AMA VMD's and back.
Enfield ride? Royal Enfield? Details, please.

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I rather sweat than bleed.
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3/4 helmet, shorts, Joe Rocket Gloves, Joe rocket armored mesh jacket...i LOVE that jacket in the summer.

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I still think the Draggin Jeans K Shirt--a woven-kevler long-sleeved shirt--is one of the better deals for abrasion protection. I use one in high summer in urban riding. Bonus, I got the older "natural yellow" version for better visibility.
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Sparky wrote:I still think the Draggin Jeans K Shirt--a woven-kevler long-sleeved shirt--is one of the better deals for abrasion protection. I use one in high summer in urban riding. Bonus, I got the older "natural yellow" version for better visibility.
I tried one of those too... it was absolutely the most uncomfotable thing I've ever worn!
Like it was made out of sandpaper and fibreglass insulation!

I can't even wear my DragginJeans and DragginJacket w/out undergarmets that completely cover the kevlar areas.
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Well, there's always something like this.

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Ew. Looks like a science experiment gone awry.
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WHO RUNS BARTERTOWN?

ERICALM RUNS BARTERTOWN!

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