Carbon Emissions Across the United States
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Carbon Emissions Across the United States
Since this topic is part of some of the members consciousness here, I thought it would be interesting if we could transpose the MB member map on top of this. Totally incongruous, I know.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008 ... APHIC.html#
Wow, would ya look at texas!
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008 ... APHIC.html#
Wow, would ya look at texas!
- Alix B
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I tallied my CO2 emissions the other day.
It was just a quarter compared to that of a vehicle getting 20 mpg's
5,380.1 lbs on the scooter vs. 21,512.04lbs
To calculate I used:
http://www.epa.gov/OMS/climate/420f05001.htm
My plan is to plant an acre of trees in the next year, to balance the emissions I created in 22,000 miles. http://www.coloradotrees.org/benefits.htm
Because I'm thoughtful.
My stance:
People won't and don't always have to eliminate things which create emissions. However, they can take responsibility for their emissions by doing something like planting trees once a year, and/or like us, reduce their emissions by driving a scooter--or walking and biking.
It was just a quarter compared to that of a vehicle getting 20 mpg's
5,380.1 lbs on the scooter vs. 21,512.04lbs
To calculate I used:
http://www.epa.gov/OMS/climate/420f05001.htm
My plan is to plant an acre of trees in the next year, to balance the emissions I created in 22,000 miles. http://www.coloradotrees.org/benefits.htm
Because I'm thoughtful.
My stance:
People won't and don't always have to eliminate things which create emissions. However, they can take responsibility for their emissions by doing something like planting trees once a year, and/or like us, reduce their emissions by driving a scooter--or walking and biking.
Thats great Alix. Thanks.
I planted one tree about a little over year and a half ago . . . I'm afraid you don't want to know the deficit I created.
You might also be interested in this article:
(Beyond Carbon: Scientists Worry About Nitrogen’s Effects)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/scien ... =permalink
I planted one tree about a little over year and a half ago . . . I'm afraid you don't want to know the deficit I created.
You might also be interested in this article:
(Beyond Carbon: Scientists Worry About Nitrogen’s Effects)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/scien ... =permalink
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Note that the default on that map is displaying energy production emissions, you need to click on the other factors to see them. There's no "total" that I see.
Also, it's sort of misleading to show the state total, because it's obvious that emissions are heavier in more populated states. I'd love to see the stats per capita rather than by state total, I bet some of the frontier states wouldn't look so "green" then, and some of the northern states would look better (especially CA and NY, who have fairly low emissions overall AND a huge population)
Also, it's sort of misleading to show the state total, because it's obvious that emissions are heavier in more populated states. I'd love to see the stats per capita rather than by state total, I bet some of the frontier states wouldn't look so "green" then, and some of the northern states would look better (especially CA and NY, who have fairly low emissions overall AND a huge population)
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Wow—an acre is a lot of trees!
So, for all the talk about California, with the most cars and biggest population, look at the number of much smaller states with higher emissions. Yes, I'm talking about you, Arizona! Tennessee, what the heck are you guys doing out there? Georiga, North Carolina, and Missouri?
The West Coast is lookin' pretty good, I'd say, in comparison.
(Yes, I know that much of the difference is industry that keeps the engines of the American economy running. Fine.)
So, for all the talk about California, with the most cars and biggest population, look at the number of much smaller states with higher emissions. Yes, I'm talking about you, Arizona! Tennessee, what the heck are you guys doing out there? Georiga, North Carolina, and Missouri?
The West Coast is lookin' pretty good, I'd say, in comparison.
(Yes, I know that much of the difference is industry that keeps the engines of the American economy running. Fine.)
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I, too, was amazed at California's number. The biggest emissions states could be guessed pretty much due to population and industry.ericalm wrote:Wow—an acre is a lot of trees!
So, for all the talk about California, with the most cars and biggest population, look at the number of much smaller states with higher emissions. Yes, I'm talking about you, Arizona! Tennessee, what the heck are you guys doing out there? Georiga, North Carolina, and Missouri?
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I live in an overlap between two red circles (both in top five) and one very large blue circle. What do I win?
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Well, this is how much each state emits, not how much smog is sitting over it. You can only blame Michigan for so much.UXO wrote:It seem to me that being on the east coast we get totally dumped on by points west due to prevailing winds and all. I know that for years in the past they've talked about some of the lakes in upstate NY being dead from Acid Rain. I think they blamed it on Michigan. You bashdoms!
Yeah, not to start a debate over which cities or states are the dirtiest, but what people often see and think of as smog in LA is often a natural occurrence called June Gloom that casts a grey cloud over the whole city. Can't deny we have smog, but it's better than it used to be, reduced by 1/3 over past decade, which is more than most cities can brag. Of course that only drops us to #2, under Pittsburgh, and we're still #1 in some measures, so we still have a ways to go.7eregrine wrote:Say what you will about Cali not being as big on that list. I have never seen a haze over my city like I have seen in LA and I do live in one of those red circles.
As far as Texas goes, well, let me just say that you couldn't see the smog over DFW until sometime in the '90s. I remember when it became more and more visible with urban sprawl and so on. Having grown up there, it was pretty sad to see that. Then we'd get ozone alerts, which to me were this giant red flag but that most people seemed not to think twice about.
But comparisons are pretty relative, considering that it's pretty much just bad all over if you live in a city or suburb or industrial rural area, just worse in some places.
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That is a great idea!! I never even knew or thought that people could do this to balance out the emissions. You are amazing.Alix B wrote:I tallied my CO2 emissions the other day.
It was just a quarter compared to that of a vehicle getting 20 mpg's
5,380.1 lbs on the scooter vs. 21,512.04lbs
To calculate I used:
http://www.epa.gov/OMS/climate/420f05001.htm
My plan is to plant an acre of trees in the next year, to balance the emissions I created in 22,000 miles. http://www.coloradotrees.org/benefits.htm
Because I'm thoughtful.
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A more meaningful number would be how much smog is produced per capita. California has a low number combined with a high population. So, per capita we're doing pretty damn good. I'd like to see the population numbers for the worse offenders compared to California. I'll bet the per capita numbers are ridiculously high. Oh hell, I'll do the numbers myself (2004 numbers):
1. California: 1.32 metric tons per person per year.
2. Florida: 7.31 metric tons per person per year.
3. Pennsylvania: 9.68 metric tons per person per year.
4. Texas: 9.99 metric tons per person per year.
5. Ohio: 10.86 metric tons per person per year.
6. Indiana: 19.16 metric tons per person per year.
Out of curiosity, I checked a couple other states:
Wyoming has the smallest population but produces a whopping 87.32 metric tons per person per year.
Idaho produces only 0.47 metric tons per person per year.
1. California: 1.32 metric tons per person per year.
2. Florida: 7.31 metric tons per person per year.
3. Pennsylvania: 9.68 metric tons per person per year.
4. Texas: 9.99 metric tons per person per year.
5. Ohio: 10.86 metric tons per person per year.
6. Indiana: 19.16 metric tons per person per year.
Out of curiosity, I checked a couple other states:
Wyoming has the smallest population but produces a whopping 87.32 metric tons per person per year.
Idaho produces only 0.47 metric tons per person per year.
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See Illnoise's comment just above your post?ericalm wrote:...Yes, I'm talking about you, Arizona! ...
That's us hard-working Arizonan's making electricity for you slacker Californians! And the fairly big Transportation number for AZ? That's us hard-working Arizonans getting the hell out of Dodge in the summer!Illnoise wrote:Note that the default on that map is displaying energy production emissions...
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In keeping with your honest and completely scientific study I would like to add that with Florida its all of "us" undervalued humans that are circling the Walmart trying to find the best parking spot.MikieTaps wrote:I think with Wyoming... the interstates 80 AND 90 running through it with LOTS of Truck traffic is probably at least partly to blame.
"2. Florida: 7.31 metric tons per person per year. "
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Only so that we can provide the rest of the world with movies, tv, the Internet, scooter forums and… uh… avocados.Syd wrote:See Illnoise's comment just above your post?ericalm wrote:...Yes, I'm talking about you, Arizona! ...That's us hard-working Arizonan's making electricity for you slacker Californians!Illnoise wrote:Note that the default on that map is displaying energy production emissions...
Well, avocados are quite good.
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Oh, I left out porn! Duh!ScootingInTheRain wrote:...Cuz we all know the BEST internet comes from California!ericalm wrote: Only so that we can provide the rest of the world with movies, tv, the Internet, scooter forums and… uh… avocados.
Well, avocados are quite good.
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This was a big surprise for me. I mean, metro Denver has a larger population than the entire state. I just can't see Wyoming's highway traffic being the difference maker. I've been all over those interstates (80, 90 and 25), from one end of the state to the other, and traffic is typically nonexistent. On some trips I've definitely seen more antelope than cars.Wyoming has the smallest population but produces a whopping 87.32 metric tons per person per year.
According to the map, the highest percentage of emission totals comes from generating electricity. Seems pretty obvious that with the western and southwestern states, the big culprit might be coal. Arizona, Colorado and Wyoming have some seriously huge powerplants and many still rely on coal.
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Alix,Alix B wrote: {Its up there if you want to read it.}
although I'm not certain we share quite the same enthusiasm, we do however share a common interest and I thought you and a very few others might find this article of interest:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/garde ... =permalink
By the way, yahoo has a group for those who might have this option in their future:
<a href="http://us.groups.yahoo.com/group/smallh ... n">HERE</a>