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The price is $189, and it's a Prima pipe. Here's the pic and info:
They have 11g roller weights as well.x-mojito50mod wrote:http://www.psn-scooters.co.uk/htm/pgo3.htm
Pics:Performance Pipe: $199 - Stainless Steel, Chrome plated and built to
last a lifetime, Designed specifically for the Buddy 125. More
details to follow as I rack up the miles and see what it can really
do. Initially it's a kick in the pants and sounds great.
That pipe looks great!pocphil wrote:We have the new Prima Exhaust Pipe for the Buddy 125.
Would also be great to get an idea of any jetting and airbox mods that might eek out an extra 0.5 hp!pocphil wrote:We have the new Prima Exhaust Pipe for the Buddy 125.
For those wondering, it is NOT an expansion chamber, 4 strokes do not benefit from expansion chamber theory.
The sound is great, the performance seems better, but we won't have exact numbers for you until we get a chance to run it on the dyno.
Well, I personally don't have a showroom, but Scooter World KC has it in stock. I was dropping off one review bike and picking up another and I was told that while I was waiting for the new one I needed to try out the pipe equipped Buddy. So you should go up and check it out.KidDynomite wrote:Bryce......do you have it on your showroom? Also, is there a place I can go online to confirm when you are/aren't having Sunday rides? Football season is over and--weather permitting--I'm healed up and ready to ride.
I think I just found tool #3 after Phil McCaleb & Randolf. Golly Brett, I want my scooter to sound really good too. Gee whiz, do you think the gang at the malt shop will like it or will they give me the business for voiding my warranty?rajron wrote:I have a ridden a scooter with this pipe installed and it makes a VERY noticable increase in power (and it sounds really good, too).
I hope this is helpful information.
Brett Ratner
Genuine Scooters Dealer Development
877.MY.STELLA
This one I can directly address: Brett Ratner is not a tool.* He's actually been very responsive and helpful to a number of people on the forum, myself included. That's more than you'd get from corporate at any other scooter company. Still, he works for The Man (in this case), and gave the company line on the pipes. What do you expect him to say? "There's a pipe which will void your warranty in exchange for as-yet-undetermined effects on your performance." Not likely.ScooterDave wrote:I think I just found tool #3 after Phil McCaleb & Randolf. Golly Brett, I want my scooter to sound really good too. Gee whiz, do you think the gang at the malt shop will like it or will they give me the business for voiding my warranty?
Bingo! And, I'd like to take this a step farther. Personally, I'll take the word of a person I trust over some arbitrary dyno numbers churned out by god knows who, got knows where. Dyno numbers are not, by definition, accurate, mainly because dynos (as I understand them) are calibrated to an "average" bike. Scooters are not your average bike. If you're thinking about performance parts your best bet is to arrange for a test ride on a bike equipped with those parts. Use your own personal butt dyno. While the butt dyno may exaggerate, the butt dyno does not lie.DO3 wrote:I don't know why people are getting all wound up about this pipe and it's advertising. I'm new to scooters but have been modifying my cars for years. In general it is rare to see "real numbers" (dyno charts etc) from an aftermarket exhaust. Also in my looking into a Stella or older Vespa I have never seen any dyno charts for pipes or even a full on head kit which is much more expensive and involved than a bolt on muffler. Very few aftermarket companies are willing to actually prove their hp claims. Also Genuine or Scooterworks is not the first company willing to sell you bolt ons that will void you warranty.
Personally I think the pipe looks nice, has been getting positive feedback so far and is very reasonably priced. I plan to buy one in the spring when I take the Buddy out of storage.
We're generally fairly flame retardant around here, but ScooterDave and Phil McCaleb (owner of scooterworks/genuine) have a special relationship going way back many years to when boys were boys and real men rode only vintage Vespas. Things were said, gauntlets thrown, etc.GalacticFattPatt wrote:Anyway, this is my first time reading flaming notes on this forum, does this happen often, is it just Scooter Dave, or do I need to read around more?
To further the connections, I think there's a relationship between Scooterworks, Genuine and Prima!lobsterman wrote:Does anybody other than me have a problem with the pipe that scooterworks is advertising and selling voids the warranty and they say "who cares"?
Perhaps I am missing something, but isn't Genuine the sister company and owned by the same guy as scooterworks? If they really wanted to sell us something like this, and really thought it wouldn't hurt our Buddy, how about honoring the warranty? To make matters worse, they say "who cares".
It bothers me on some level that the guys who are supposed to honor our warranty are telling us not to care about voiding it. Yes, I know Genuine and Scooterworks are technically two different companies, but they're sister companies owned by the same guy. Genuine wouldn't exist if it weren't for Scooterworks.
Flaming is strongly discouraged on MB. From the Posting Guidelines:GalacticFattPatt wrote:Anyway, this is my first time reading flaming notes on this forum, does this happen often, is it just Scooter Dave, or do I need to read around more?
I would think this extends to personal attacks against well-known members of the community who may not be participating in the forum, particularly when these attacks aren't informative, constructive or even pertinent. Don't bother reading around more for other flames, you won't find them.Personal Attacks
Personal attacks, even minor ones, are strictly prohibited.
Do some people still not know that Scooterjerks & Genuine are both owned by Phil?ericalm wrote:To further the connections, I think there's a relationship between Scooterworks, Genuine and Prima!
I was adding Prima to that list.ScooterDave wrote:Do some people still not know that Scooterjerks & Genuine are both owned by Phil?ericalm wrote:To further the connections, I think there's a relationship between Scooterworks, Genuine and Prima!
They do make a Dyno for scooters. I do not think you understand how a dyno operates and what it does. Dyno numbers are by definition accurate and if this pipe did in fact increase horsepower, Phil's ego would have the numbers plastered all over the place.gt1000 wrote: Personally, I'll take the word of a person I trust over some arbitrary dyno numbers churned out by god knows who, got knows where. Dyno numbers are not, by definition, accurate, mainly because dynos (as I understand them) are calibrated to an "average" bike. Scooters are not your average bike. If you're thinking about performance parts your best bet is to arrange for a test ride on a bike equipped with those parts. Use your own personal butt dyno. While the butt dyno may exaggerate, the butt dyno does not lie.
