Purchasing Advice - 2009 Blackjack vs 2012 125cc (white)

reese · Post by **reese** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:13 pm

Help!

I'm craving a new scooter to replace my old Buddy 50cc. I located a 2009 Blackjack with an OTD of $3415, but I'll have to pay for towing as I live 1.5 hours away. I can get into a 2012 White Buddy 125cc for $3200 OTD, but was hoping to get an "all cash" discount from my local dealer. Both sales include free winter storage. Is the Blackjack rare and hard to come by? Any advice?

Rippinyarn · Post by **Rippinyarn** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:22 pm

All things considered, I'd go for the Black Jack. I'd dragoon a friend with a truck into a quick little trip to go get it. Sweet scoot.

Raiderfn311 · Post by **Raiderfn311** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:34 pm

There is no question here:The Blackjack. You are lucky you even found a new one. If you dont buy it you will be kicking yourself later. More power. Front and rear suspension upgrades, and from what I hear thats the best thing about the bike. Add on a performance pipe and you have a Blackjack. Hell Im jealous!!!!!!!!! Wait. Dont forget the badass matte black finish. Very cool bike.

Lokky · Post by **Lokky** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:39 pm

1.5 hours doesn't sound too far to ride to me

get the blackjack!

Raiderfn311 · Post by **Raiderfn311** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:41 pm

Wait, I forgot the badass front disc upgrade. Blackjack all the way.

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:46 pm

Blackjack for sure. And why would you tow it? Ride that thang! 1.5 hours is just a nice warm up ride.

Raiderfn311 · Post by **Raiderfn311** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:51 pm

Skootz Kabootz wrote:Blackjack for sure. And why would you tow it? Ride that thang! 1.5 hours is just a nice warm up ride.

Just dont ride it W.O.T. for long periods.

heatherkay · Post by **heatherkay** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:19 pm

Some of the desire to truck it may be related to the fact that he lives in Chicago and it's December.

ravenlore · Post by **ravenlore** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:04 pm

heatherkay wrote:Some of the desire to truck it may be related to the fact that he lives in Chicago and it's December.

He also mentioned free winter storage

Go for the BlackJack. In a heartbeat.

TVB · Post by **TVB** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:20 pm

Raiderfn311 wrote:
Skootz Kabootz wrote:Blackjack for sure. And why would you tow it? Ride that thang! 1.5 hours is just a nice warm up ride.
Just dont ride it W.O.T. for long periods.

Because not only is that bad for a new engine, the windchill at that speed is bad for any exposed body parts.

Raiderfn311 · Post by **Raiderfn311** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:25 pm

^^^Exactly.

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:32 pm

heatherkay wrote:Some of the desire to truck it may be related to the fact that he lives in Chicago and it's December.

Er ya. Point taken

Thadsgood · Post by **Thadsgood** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:47 pm

If you do opt for the blackjack, make sure the dealer gives you the stock muffler, too (they are supposed to give you both.). That way, when the welds fail on the prima, you'll still have a good muffler!

LunaP · Post by **LunaP** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:18 am

I'd have to agree. Even me, the anti-black-vehicles girl, would go for the Blackjack in that scenario. Have the dealer you buy it from store it for winter, and pick it up in the spring when you can just drive it back yourself. OR pick it up in the spring with a friend with a pickup.

Hey... would Genuine's roadside assistance cover the towing for this?

Even if they do, I still say have it stored at the dealer for the winter and pick it up in the spring.

TVB · Post by **TVB** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:54 pm

LunaP wrote:Hey... would Genuine's roadside assistance cover the towing for this?

As I understand, it covers towing to the nearest dealer, so you'd have to ride it at least halfway home, or they'd just take you back where you got it.

reese · Post by **reese** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:57 pm

Lokky wrote:1.5 hours doesn't sound too far to ride to me get the blackjack!

LOL - yes not too bad. Did I mention it's 1.5 by tollway. I'm not sure if a 2 - 2.5 ride into the city would be good or bad for breaking in. Hmmmmm?

LunaP · Post by **LunaP** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:11 pm

reese wrote:
Lokky wrote:1.5 hours doesn't sound too far to ride to me get the blackjack!
LOL - yes not too bad. Did I mention it's 1.5 by tollway. I'm not sure if a 2 - 2.5 ride into the city would be good or bad for breaking in. Hmmmmm?

As long as you take a couple breaks to cool it down and don't go WOT, I think it'd be fine. What's the max speed if you don't take the tollway? 45 or 50 maybe? If so, perfect.

Raiderfn311 · Post by **Raiderfn311** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:34 pm

TVB wrote:
LunaP wrote:Hey... would Genuine's roadside assistance cover the towing for this?
As I understand, it covers towing to the nearest dealer, so you'd have to ride it at least halfway home, or they'd just take you back where you got it.

That would be a bit "shifty" IMHO to get roadside assist. to do this, but whatever.

LunaP · Post by **LunaP** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:43 pm

Raiderfn311 wrote:
TVB wrote:
LunaP wrote:Hey... would Genuine's roadside assistance cover the towing for this?
As I understand, it covers towing to the nearest dealer, so you'd have to ride it at least halfway home, or they'd just take you back where you got it.

That would be a bit "shifty" IMHO to get roadside assist. to do this, but whatever.

I absolutely agree... but IMO, "free" is always an option that should be explored

Raiderfn311 · Post by **Raiderfn311** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:37 pm

LunaP wrote:
Raiderfn311 wrote:
TVB wrote:As I understand, it covers towing to the nearest dealer, so you'd have to ride it at least halfway home, or they'd just take you back where you got it.

That would be a bit "shifty" IMHO to get roadside assist. to do this, but whatever.
I absolutely agree... but IMO, "free" is always an option that should be explored

+1000

That was good advice about stopping to cool down the bike BTW. Two thumbs up!

viney266 · Post by **viney266** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:52 pm

get the blackjack and ride it home when weather allows !

LunaP · Post by **LunaP** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:03 am

Raiderfn311 wrote:
LunaP wrote:
Raiderfn311 wrote:
That would be a bit "shifty" IMHO to get roadside assist. to do this, but whatever.
I absolutely agree... but IMO, "free" is always an option that should be explored
+1000 That was good advice about stopping to cool down the bike BTW. Two thumbs up!

Thanks Raider

Reese, let us know whichever you end up deciding to do!

DaBinChe · Post by **DaBinChe** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:51 am

I'd go for the F.I. bike

SuperFlyBuddy · Post by **SuperFlyBuddy** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:50 am

DaBinChe wrote:I'd go for the F.I. bike

Both of those scoots have carbs. Much easier to tune if ever going to get parts that change intake/exhaust flow.

I'd definitely get the Blackjack.

Either way rent a trailer to bring it home. If you don't have anything to tow it with rent a minivan and take the seats out. Or rent a small moving van. Whatever is cheaper.

SoCalScooter · Post by **SoCalScooter** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:57 pm

SuperFlyBuddy wrote:
DaBinChe wrote:I'd go for the F.I. bike
Both of those scoots have carbs. Much easier to tune if ever going to get parts that change intake/exhaust flow.

I'd definitely get the Blackjack.

Either way rent a trailer to bring it home. If you don't have anything to tow it with rent a minivan and take the seats out. Or rent a small moving van. Whatever is cheaper.

This. You can rent a Ford Van or a pickup from Uhaul for $20-$30 plus gas. The dealer should be able to help you load it. Just get some tie downs and make the trip on a Saturday morning.

The blackjack is an awesome bike. The suspension and break upgrades are well worth the extra couple hundred dollars. If you don't like the color, ask your dealer to order you a new set of red/pink/green/whatever color body panels. The new panels are cheap(-ish), and you'll have a custom, unique scoot to brag about!

CEZ2011 · Post by **CEZ2011** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:44 pm

I would go with the Blackjack. Many of the cool performance bits are already included.

reese · Post by **reese** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:25 pm

I'm glad I waited. My local dealer got a hold of 2 Blackjack demos and 3 2009 125's. After a lot of hemming and hawing, I decided to get a 125 and switch out the panels to white. It cost a little less than a Blackjack, but I have a color I like. Plus, I was never a huge fan of the loud perfomrance pipe on the Blackjack.

If you are looking for a Blackjack, Scooterworks in Chicago has 2 - at least they did on Saturday.

All demos come with the 2 year warranty. Sweet!

Thadsgood · Post by **Thadsgood** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:54 pm

Congrats! However, you DO know that the BJ comes with both the stock and the prima pipe? The dealer is supposed to mention it. That said, the white is awesome. If you ever need a replacement white grab bar, ive got an extra

jmazza · Post by **jmazza** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:11 pm

Blackjack

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Purchasing Advice - 2009 Blackjack vs 2012 125cc (white)

Purchasing Advice - 2009 Blackjack vs 2012 125cc (white)

Thanks for the advice