PSA: $96 shipped 125c Prima Pipe on eBay

MrChet · Post by **MrChet** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:36 am

Item 261179571422

Not my auction, no affiliation other than I bought one.

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Seller Feedback 99%+ positive.

SonnyD · Post by **SonnyD** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:38 am

Nice catch.....it says brand new..and the feedback is great.... I bought one.....

skully93 · Post by **skully93** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:42 pm

nice!

I scored a similar deal last year. mine didn't come with any spacers but I was able to get it figured out.

SonnyD · Post by **SonnyD** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:51 pm

Mine arrived today...that was FAST!! the total was actually like 88.60 total or something like that, less then 90.00 bucks. It came in a Prima box, nicely bubble wrapped, and a sealed bag with instructions, and package with exhaust gasket, spacers, and ss bolts.. I'm loving the 115.00 savings...it paid for my new Michelin S1's....Just dropped everything off for installation..should be ready tomorrow morning...I'm STOKED!!!!!

MrChet · Post by **MrChet** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:23 pm

Nice!

Mine has finally left IL but being on the left coast it isn't scheduled to arrive until the 14th.

Good to hear it's legit and with all accessories.

SonnyD · Post by **SonnyD** » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:45 pm

MrChet wrote:Nice!

Mine has finally left IL but being on the left coast it isn't scheduled to arrive until the 14th.

Good to hear it's legit and with all accessories.

yeah, quick for me being I'm pretty close to Illinois... Yes, you will be HAPPY....It's packed really well so it should arrive safely...I was a little concerned, because of the low price, and because some had mentioned that when they had gotten deals, it was missing a few parts... But this one is a winner... I need to go leave positive feedback for the seller.....

MrChet · Post by **MrChet** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 2:24 am

Mine came Monday but I didnt get a chance to install it until yesterday. It came Prima boxes with all bolts and spacers as well as a new gasket. Install was easy. Most of the time was spent looking for a socket that was thin enough to tighten the bolts by the header.

I also had to do it twice b/c of a slight exhaust leak...I realized that I forgot to take out the little conical piece from the stock pipe to fit into the Prima.

Having done it twice now, it's an easy 10-15 minute job with the proper tools.

Went for a ride today. It's a little peppier and sounds a bit lower. It's not loud by any means. Compared to the Sito+ on my Stella it sounds like a whisper.

SonnyD · Post by **SonnyD** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:49 pm

Cool my Friend.....I had the dealer install mine since I was having them do the spring and sliders too..... You noticed about the same things as I did.... Mine didn't feel like it needed a rejet, but I figured with summer heat coming on and me being fat at 185 pounds, and planing on taking some trips, that maybe we had better rejet. Took it to the Scooter shop on Thursday. They didn't have the next size up in jets, so went 2 up......WAYyyy to FAT!! wouldn't run but about 45-50 and then started spitting and coughing...they had to order the next up from stock.... we'll see how that goes, I may have to go back to stock...Love the pipe though.....

Th17kit · Post by **Th17kit** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:05 am

Bought one too. Came all packaged in Prima box w/ instructions and bolts/gasket. They must have robbed a Prima delivery truck to be selling at this price! Lol.

SonnyD · Post by **SonnyD** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:16 am

Yeah, it was a heck of a deal. As I mentioned, I saved enough to more then enough to pay for my new Michelin S1's. can't beat that!!!!

Th17kit · Post by **Th17kit** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:19 pm

Installed the pipe last night. Only issues was figuring out that the '08 Pamplona 150 doesn't come with an exhaust gasket. At least, I couldn't find it/get it off.

I'll describe as best I can what I found - the exhaust tube coming from the engine is flat and contiguous with the silver metal machined engine block (the part with the 2 threaded bolts). I thought the silver metal part was the gasket, but after closer inspection it seems to just be part of the engine. Hopefully a few nicks from my screwdriver on the outside edge of the block won't matter.

First impression: It's really loud! Deep sound and very noticeable, especially at low speed. Loud enough I'd consider it rude to WOT near a crowd. At higher speed the sound is minimal. I used the included gasket, so hopefully it's not a leak making it this loud. No backfires and very strong flow from the end of the pipe so I doubt I have a leak. Maybe I'll pull it off and check for carbon streaks on the gasket after a few rides.

SonnyD · Post by **SonnyD** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:40 pm

Wow, mine is no where near loud at any speed. Slightly louder at idle, but only noticeable to those familiar with the stock pipe... At WOT maybe twice as loud but way quieter then the kids I pass walking on the sidewalk.

scullyfu · Post by **scullyfu** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:12 pm

i just bought the last one.

manual_overide · Post by **manual_overide** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:15 pm

I bought one too. I hope it ships soon, I'm very excited!

There's only one left now, so if you were on the fence about getting one before, you might want to jump on it.

SonnyD · Post by **SonnyD** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:35 pm

I looked last night and it said 1 left.... Hope everyone gets one! The seller ships quick.... I was pretty close and I had mine in a couple of days.....shouldn't take you too long if your fairly close to Illinois....

manual_overide · Post by **manual_overide** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:04 pm

scullyfu wrote:i just bought the last one.

Yep, this deal is over! I just looked and it said the listing has ended. Hope everyone who wanted one got one.

Th17kit · Post by **Th17kit** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:29 am

Hmmm SonnyD how many miles do you have on your 125? I wonder if maybe the 25cc difference between us makes a difference, or perhaps how broken in the engine is? I have 8.5k. It's noisy but I retract the statement that I wouldn't WOT near a crowd, it's not that loud.

Manual_Override could you post here if you have a stock exhaust gasket on your '09 Pamplona? Also whether it was easy to get off? I would REALLY appreciate it!

rodneydnelson · Post by **rodneydnelson** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:10 am

My pipe arrived today and it looks great. I'll install it this week.

SonnyD · Post by **SonnyD** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:20 am

Th17kit wrote:Hmmm SonnyD how many miles do you have on your 125? I wonder if maybe the 25cc difference between us makes a difference, or perhaps how broken in the engine is? I have 8.5k. It's noisy but I retract the statement that I wouldn't WOT near a crowd, it's not that loud.

Manual_Override could you post here if you have a stock exhaust gasket on your '09 Pamplona? Also whether it was easy to get off? I would REALLY appreciate it!

I have 2500 miles on mine....I wouldn't think engine size, being that small a difference would make much noticable difference... Stock, I can't really tell one from the other.... I just wonder if maybe it's a small leak or something?? Does it actually sound louder at the rear of the pipe, or just overall? Mine basically just has a more mellow tone to it.. The stock exhaust to me just has a "put put put put" sound to it, and the Prima actually has a little tone to it...hard for me to describe in words.. I found this youtube video, and this is just what mine sounds like......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUgc5BYZMEI

SonnyD · Post by **SonnyD** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:21 am

rodneydnelson wrote:My pipe arrived today and it looks great. I'll install it this week.

Good Deal!!!!!

manual_overide · Post by **manual_overide** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:24 pm

Th17kit wrote:Hmmm SonnyD how many miles do you have on your 125? I wonder if maybe the 25cc difference between us makes a difference, or perhaps how broken in the engine is? I have 8.5k. It's noisy but I retract the statement that I wouldn't WOT near a crowd, it's not that loud.

Manual_Override could you post here if you have a stock exhaust gasket on your '09 Pamplona? Also whether it was easy to get off? I would REALLY appreciate it!

Whenever the pipe comes in, I'll post a full report.

Th17kit · Post by **Th17kit** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:27 am

Thanks for the feedback. I think I found a leak. This morning when I started it up I put my hand close under the engine and felt some air forcefully pushing out. I assume that's coming from the gasket/pipe interface. I probably won't have time to pull it apart for a while, but the question still remains why it's leaking that much. Maybe I'll reinstall more carefully screwing the bolts in the order Prima prescribes, and if that doesn't do it I'll reinstall without the gasket.

SonnyD · Post by **SonnyD** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:06 am

Th17kit wrote:Thanks for the feedback. I think I found a leak. This morning when I started it up I put my hand close under the engine and felt some air forcefully pushing out. I assume that's coming from the gasket/pipe interface. I probably won't have time to pull it apart for a while, but the question still remains why it's leaking that much. Maybe I'll reinstall more carefully screwing the bolts in the order Prima prescribes, and if that doesn't do it I'll reinstall without the gasket.

That sounds like that would be a good start.. If you have a leak at that point, it would definitely create a loud, or louder situation....Let us know how it turns out....

rodneydnelson · Post by **rodneydnelson** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:23 am

I installed the Prima pipe today. Loving the sound already. I recording this video for anyone interested in the comparison between the stock pipe and the Prima. I find it to be a much more pleasant tone, and not dramatically louder.

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SonnyD · Post by **SonnyD** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:15 pm

Perfect!!! Great video! And very accurate on the sound difference.

Th17kit · Post by **Th17kit** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:45 am

Haha I should post a vid of mine. It's so much louder. I've come to like it though, and I'll be sad when I fix the leak and go back to a quieter ride.

MrChet · Post by **MrChet** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:29 am

I have the same exhaust leak I think. I feel hot air at the header. I've tried re-installation. Let me know if yours is resolved by removing the gasket. If that doesn't work I may go try some sealant at the junction.

Bike still seems to run fine. It's not very loud but when stopped I can smell some exhaust that wasn't there with the stock pipe.

MrChet · Post by **MrChet** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:29 am

Sorry 2x post

Tocsik · Post by **Tocsik** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:05 pm

The motor is cooled by a fan which circulates air around the head.
Be sure this is not the hot air you are feeling.
If you aren't having popping or backfiring (pre-ignition) on deceleration, you probably don't have an exhaust leak.

If you do have an exhaust leak, loosen all 4 bolts (the 2 on the exhaust port and the 2 mounting bolts) and tighten the 2 on the header first. Then tighten the 2 on the mounting bracket. If that doesn't fix it, use some Permatex Ultra Copper gasket sealer on the flange of the header on the pipe when you install it in addition to the compression gasket that sits inside the exhaust port. I use the Ultra Copper every time I re-install my pipe and never have a leak.

Just some stuff I've picked up here on MB and with personal experience over time. Hope it helps. YMMV.

manual_overide · Post by **manual_overide** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:09 pm

So I got mine installed yesterday. I was surprised at how easy it was. The only problem I had was the new pipe is wider and my socket got stuck between the pipe and the nut on the header. I think I was able to get it tightened properly though.

Th17kit, there was no gasket on my stock exhaust either. The stock pipe had sort of a bump where it mounted to the header. I guess that was enough to maintain a seal.

Sorry about the shaky cam, but here's a comparison between the stock exhaust on my wife's scooter versus the prima pipe on mine.

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scullyfu · Post by **scullyfu** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:34 pm

thanks for posting; love the deeper, throatier sound from the prima. mine came on saturday and i'll wait to install it until i get the new tires. no need to remove the pipe twice.

Th17kit · Post by **Th17kit** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:21 am

I had time to re-install the pipe today. I read on a thread here about how leaving big exhaust leaks can "burn a valve". I don't know what that is but it sounds like scary $$$ so I took care of it.

So, the Prima gasket didn't have soot on it anywhere unusual, neither did the pipe flange or the engine flange.

I reinstalled very (very very) properly. It sounds about the same from what I can tell. It's loud. The pipe is developing a beautiful copper/gold tone, so I suppose everything is in order. Maybe the fact that my scoot is at 8k and I'm practically always WOT makes a difference?

Toksic thanks for the great info. I'll continue to listen for popping/backfiring but I haven't heard that yet. I believe you are right about the hot air being from the engine cooling because it doesn't smell and seems to be coming from the rider's left side of the engine.

I will post a video in a few days with a good camera so we can all compare.

Also Toksic I know you're in Denver, have you done a rejet on yours?

SonnyD · Post by **SonnyD** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:44 pm

Well, it is definitely louder at WOT....They do turn a great color on the header don't they!!!!!

I wouldn't think in Denver, you'd need a rejet....?? I finally did mine here in Kansas...I'm 4000 feet lower then you...and 1 step is just about perfect.....

Tocsik · Post by **Tocsik** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:31 pm

Th17kit wrote:...
Also Toksic I know you're in Denver, have you done a rejet on yours?

Nope, no re-jet. 31K on the pipe. Plug looks good and header is a nice golden color; no "bluing" (which can be an indication of running lean and/or hot).

skully93 · Post by **skully93** » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:34 pm

Mine too. Put like 4k on mine so far, and it's been fine. At altitude, during engine braking I will get a lot of popping, but any other time it's perfectly happy.

Looking forward to installing it on our 125!

Th17kit · Post by **Th17kit** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:37 pm

Here's a quick vid I made of the Prima pipe, finally. When I remounted I didn't think it was quieter, but now after a ride my ears aren't ringing so it must be somewhat quieter. Turns out the GoPro 2 doesn't have amazing sound quality, oh well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDNKuWt0 ... e=youtu.be

I get the popping too, only off the highway or some other high speed situation.

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PSA: $96 shipped 125c Prima Pipe on eBay

PSA: $96 shipped 125c Prima Pipe on eBay

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