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The functions are absent in Mac.
Your broad statements are both confusing and inaccurate.

Do you mean to say that Macs lack capability from the factory? Or that Microsoft's Office for the Mac has limited capability when compared to its PC counterpart? Saying "it doesn't work" is not telling us anything about your problem. Perhaps it is user error with your colleague.

I use OS X and Windows, but on Mac hardware. ONLY Macs can run Windows and OS X natively. Hackintoshes don't count, I'll stick with regular updates. Some of us use our computers for real work, I need it to work every day. Also, with VMware Fusion, you can run a Windows application seamlessly on your desktop as if it was a Mac application. Very useful. I use Boot Camp to run Windows for games.

The argument of "Macs have limited software available" is not only incredibly outdated, but is now totally inaccurate. My Mac is capable of running Windows and OS X. Your PC is not.
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santaliqueur wrote:
The functions are absent in Mac.
Your broad statements are both confusing and inaccurate.

Do you mean to say that Macs lack capability from the factory? Or that Microsoft's Office for the Mac has limited capability when compared to its PC counterpart? Saying "it doesn't work" is not telling us anything about your problem. Perhaps it is user error with your colleague.

I use OS X and Windows, but on Mac hardware. ONLY Macs can run Windows and OS X natively. Hackintoshes don't count, I'll stick with regular updates. Some of us use our computers for real work, I need it to work every day. Also, with VMware Fusion, you can run a Windows application seamlessly on your desktop as if it was a Mac application. Very useful. I use Boot Camp to run Windows for games.

The argument of "Macs have limited software available" is not only incredibly outdated, but is now totally inaccurate. My Mac is capable of running Windows and OS X. Your PC is not.
Honestly, when all of the world's motherboards, CPU's and ram are all produced in the same factory by the same machines....a mac is nothing more than just a brand like HP, gateway, dell.

And actually...

There are certain PC's which can run OSX just fine without a single error or issue. It does count as hackintoshing, but if you can get snow leopard or 10.5+ installed on a PC with 100% compatible parts, you wont have any issue. A gigabyte brand motherboard, intel CPU, Nvidia graphics card or intel GMA950 seem to work just 100% fine with no extra hacking.

Netbooks like the MSI wind and Dell mini 9 also run OSX 100% problem free.

The whole "nothing runs on a mac" statement is old. With modern day boot vamp VMware fusion, and parallels programs for OSX, you can easily run any windows program in Mac OSX just fine. Games naively for windows should be avoided running in these programs. They draw so much power, you'll get better performance and FPS in windows off boot camp.
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Unless you're trying to play games on a regular MacBook in which case Bootcamped TF2 doesn't run in Windows due to the wonky integrated Intel GMA graphics, but it'll work under CrossOver albeit at roughly 25fps. :) go figure.

I wish Apple would put more capable GPUs in the MacBook. But that's like wishing for EFI on a Buddy.
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BuddyJ wrote:I wish Apple would put more capable GPUs in the MacBook.
Your wish has been granted. :D Since early this year, the white MacBook and low-end MB Pro models have used an integrated nVidia chip that outperforms the Intel chip used before, and the higher end MB Pros come with that plus a higher-powered nVidia chip you can switch to for more speed/worse battery life.
BuddyJ wrote:But that's like wishing for EFI on a Buddy.
Ironically, Apple does include EFI on the MacBook. :) In this context, it refers to the Extensible Firmware Interface, which is what Macs use instead of ye olde PC BIOS (and what I thought of first when I read your comment).
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The NVIDIA 9600M GT with 512MB DDR3 dedicated memory is nice in the new 15"-17" macbook pro's. They are now actually capable playing most games on medium/high settings. Some extremely intensive games like crysis would play on low/medium though.

I really think apple should have added the new nvidia 280GTX into the macbooks, or even a 230. For the price of a 15" macbook pro, you can get a custom gaming laptop with dual 280GTX's SLI'd and water cooled with 2.3ghz i7 processor.

You're mostly paying for the software that comes on the mac, and partially for the design of the body. If they would just sell barebone bodies with no ram or OS, I'd buy one to put windows on it. I'm big on PC gaming, so I could never use OSX as a operating system unless someone made a program like crossover or parallels that ran games just as good as they would run in windows. Doubt that will ever happen, but who knows. I'd need xfire to be made for macs too.
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My girlfriend works for MAC, its the best makeup you can get apparently.
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Heh.

I've never understood why people refer to the computers as "MAC". It's short for "Macintosh", not "MACINTOSH" or "Macintosh Apple Computer".
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After years with PC's and VISTA (ugh), Id had enough and finally bought a MAC.

My Buddy 150 is like a MAC - I turn it on and it works! EVERY TIME!
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Old Geezer wrote:After years with PC's and VISTA (ugh), Id had enough and finally bought a MAC.

My Buddy 150 is like a MAC - I turn it on and it works! EVERY TIME!
Hooray, another convert!

Those of you on ModernVespa may have noticed that the very long Scooters & Macs thread there was resurrected after 2 years of dormancy!
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I could look and see for myself, but I'm too lazy.

Which side of the OS religious war reopened *that* thread?
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I guess this is just me since I'm a total PC nerd, but I've never had issues with any windows operating system ever. No error messages, pop ups, BSOD's, slow downs, etc.

I think if you just take care of your system and have a nice anti virus program like avast or avg, you can survive problem free with ease.
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jfrost2 wrote:I think if you just take care of your system and have a nice anti virus program like avast or avg, you can survive problem free with ease.
If you do that, Windows will work just as designed. For what it's worth. :)
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TVB wrote:
jfrost2 wrote:I think if you just take care of your system and have a nice anti virus program like avast or avg, you can survive problem free with ease.
If you do that, Windows will work just as designed. For what it's worth. :)
I think the biggest thing hurting PC's right now is bloatware on out of the box type of systems. I always do a fresh install using a retail/OEM disk of the operating system on any PC. The modifications companies make to the operating system slow it down and with all that trial ware, it's a pain and hassle to uninstall. Just the operating system itself is quite quick and speedy when you install things yourself.

My PC I have right now boots to the desktop and loads firefox in 11-12 seconds max from the second I push the power button. Too many store bought PC's have crappy bios's on the cheap motherboards, and they have too much bloat ware slowing down the startup and login process.
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Mine is more like a mac this way. (I am a Mac/Linux user). Thats an 8 inch telescope to the left and a Hammond M-3 organ to the right.
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Hmm. If my buddy was a mac, it would cost twice as much as all the other scooters despite having the exact same hardware, and it would only work with gasoline from 5% of the gas stations out there.

I'm sure it would like nice and cute while not functioning markedly different, and if Jobs built the buddy, he would probably omit the cooling fan for "aesthetics," because he never seems to learn his lesson from that (See "Apple III," and several other models since).

Oh yeah. If Buddys were Macs, they would have a TON of clueless users that had never so much as sat on another scooter or motorcycle trashing them because the ads say so.

I'm not saying that Apple makes a bad product, but the most effective thing they sell is the hype. The products are not markedly different or better, at least not to justify the enormous apple tax that tends to go along with them (pricing ipods makes me want to puke).

What's most infuriating to me is that Apple gets a free pass on stuff that many other companies don't. For example, when they changed the prices on Itunes from a flat $1 to more for newer songs and less for older songs, most news sources reported that Itunes was getting cheaper, and didn't report that Itunes only decreasing costs on a tiny, tiny handful, while many, many more songs were now more expensive.

If Microsoft had done this- hiding a price increase like it was a decrease, they would be crucified, but Apples gets away scot free, because of the brainwashing aspect.

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On a different topic, I am typing this on a 1st gen Acer Aspire One netbook with 1gb ram, 160 gb hdd, and a 1.6 GHZ Atom. The laptop originally had XP, and I moved to Windows 7 about a month ago.

It screams with 7! I was amazed that it was faster, but it is. It boots and sleeps much faster that it used to, and feels generally more snappy. Windows 7 is a great OS. I really hope Microsoft realizes that people love the OS's that don't bloat code (XP, 7) and hate the releases that do (me, 2000, vista).
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I also feel compelled to mention that Hammonds rule, and Apple should never have killed the Apple II.

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Anachronism wrote:Hmm. If my buddy was a mac, it would cost twice as much as all the other scooters despite having the exact same hardware, and it would only work with gasoline from 5% of the gas stations out there.

I'm sure it would like nice and cute while not functioning markedly different, and if Jobs built the buddy, he would probably omit the cooling fan for "aesthetics," because he never seems to learn his lesson from that (See "Apple III," and several other models since).

Oh yeah. If Buddys were Macs, they would have a TON of clueless users that had never so much as sat on another scooter or motorcycle trashing them because the ads say so.

I'm not saying that Apple makes a bad product, but the most effective thing they sell is the hype. The products are not markedly different or better, at least not to justify the enormous apple tax that tends to go along with them (pricing ipods makes me want to puke).

What's most infuriating to me is that Apple gets a free pass on stuff that many other companies don't. For example, when they changed the prices on Itunes from a flat $1 to more for newer songs and less for older songs, most news sources reported that Itunes was getting cheaper, and didn't report that Itunes only decreasing costs on a tiny, tiny handful, while many, many more songs were now more expensive.

If Microsoft had done this- hiding a price increase like it was a decrease, they would be crucified, but Apples gets away scot free, because of the brainwashing aspect.

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On a different topic, I am typing this on a 1st gen Acer Aspire One netbook with 1gb ram, 160 gb hdd, and a 1.6 GHZ Atom. The laptop originally had XP, and I moved to Windows 7 about a month ago.

It screams with 7! I was amazed that it was faster, but it is. It boots and sleeps much faster that it used to, and feels generally more snappy. Windows 7 is a great OS. I really hope Microsoft realizes that people love the OS's that don't bloat code (XP, 7) and hate the releases that do (me, 2000, vista).
I built a $600 computer that is way ahead of apple's current line up of technology and specs. People in apple stores tell me it's the software that adds the bulk of the cost. Even with the price of the machine, plus the OS, plus iLife, there is no way it should be near as expensive as they currently are.

A mac is just a PC running OSX with a apple logo stuck on it in a factory. If apple can keep claiming OSX is a superior operating system, then why not make it "universal" to work on any PC like windows or Linux? Macs really arent that safe and virus free like people claim, the majority of viruses out there are designed to target windows based systems, why? Because the majority of computer users run windows, hackers want to attack majority, not minority.

If apple made OSX able to run on any PC, and started selling them in electronic stores like best buy and walmart, I'm sure within time hackers would move over to start developing malware and viruses for OSX.

The high price that draws people away from even considering macs is what's keeping them "user friendly and virus free." Majority > Minority.
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Oh yeah. If Buddys were Macs, they would have a TON of clueless users that had never so much as sat on another scooter or motorcycle trashing them because the ads say so.
And how exactly is this different from PCs?

In fact, the vast majority of Mac users have used PCs, and a very large number of them either still have one in the house or still use one at work. PCs are ubiquitous, after all. On the other hand, the Windows users who trash Macs are almost always doing so having never used one, or they spent a little time using one 10 years ago.
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jfrost2 wrote:I built a $600 computer that is way ahead of apple's current line up of technology and specs. People in apple stores tell me it's the software that adds the bulk of the cost.
If you're hearing that from Apple Specialists, that Apple store needs to train them better. After all, the full retail sticker price of the software (OS X + iLife) is under $200 (and Windows + Office ain't cheap), so it can't be that much of the cost of the unit.

In fact, Apple does a lot of hardware engineering that adds to the cost of the machine. The Mac Pros' quiet cooling systems, the laptops' unibody construction and 8-hour battery, the way iMacs and Minis are put together... isn't tech you buy off the shelf. Whether it's worth the difference in price between a Mac and a PC with the same CPU, GPU, RAM, and hard drive... that's certainly up to debate. But anyone who tells you that the hardware is the same isn't looking at the whole industrial design of the product; he's just reading part numbers.
jfrost2 wrote:If apple can keep claiming OSX is a superior operating system, then why not make it "universal" to work on any PC like windows or Linux?
The honest answer (no sales spin here) has two parts:
1) Because Steve Jobs is a control freak, and he doesn't want his software subject to having to run on whatever random pieces of ugly hardware some user puts together. Microsoft's business decision to license Windows to any hardware vendor on the planet has done more to harm their reputation than any software engineering mistakes they've made. The infamous Blue Screen Of Death is almost always the hardware or its driver, but Windows gets all the blame for it. Jobs is too arrogant to live with that.
2) Because Apple can make more money by selling matched hardware and software. They used to license the old Mac OS, so you know they've crunched the numbers. They'd sell a lot more copies of OS X, but they'd be selling fewer iMacs and MacBooks, and hardware is a profitable line of business. (After all, how do you think HP and Dell and Toshiba stay in business, when they don't even have their own software?)
jfrost2 wrote:Macs really arent that safe and virus free like people claim,
Where do you get this information? It contradicts everything I've read or experienced in the 15 years I've been doing tech support for Macs. (I've been supporting PCs for 25.)
jfrost2 wrote:the majority of viruses out there are designed to target windows based systems, why? Because the majority of computer users run windows, hackers want to attack majority, not minority.
If apple made OSX able to run on any PC, and started selling them in electronic stores like best buy and walmart, I'm sure within time hackers would move over to start developing malware and viruses for OSX.
They've already started trying. Apple is now the #5 or #6 manufacturer of computers in the US, after all. But the crackers are finding it isn't that easy. When Jobs' development team set out to build OS X about 15 years ago, they had the benefit of seeing all the things that a decade of Windows and the original Mac OS had gotten tripped up by, and they avoided them. It really is a better design.

OS X isn't perfect, to be sure. It is possible to infect an OS X system, though it requires some "social engineering" (i.e. trick the user into typing in their admin password). There are some things in OS X that I really dislike. The latest upgrade... not so special. But speaking here as someone who studied a little OS design in college, and has worked with a dozen of them in his career, I can tell you that there are some fundamental differences between Windows and OS X, and security against malware is one of them.
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It's sad that this tired debate is currently being hashed out on ModernBuddy AND ModernVespa… again.

No company, no machine, no product is perfect. But for some reason when it comes to computers systems and OSs, stating a preference becomes an invitation for a debate about which is superior. Beyond that, the implication is that one side is somehow too narrow minded or mentally deficient to see the obvious superiority of the other. It's kind of ridiculous, as if one group shouldn't be allowed to prefer one over the other for any reason.

The whole debate basically ignores the reality of the computer market: Most people buy Windows machines because they're cheaper and they're ubiquitous. Most people buy Macs because they're easier to use and relatively hassle-free.

That said, I think Windows users have cause to be happy. After all these years, Microsoft is closer than ever to having created a bad imitation of OSX. Congrats!

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Of every apple store I have been to, the apple genius or worker tells me the same things. Different cities, different people, same responses and answers.

They tell me that macs are "immune" to viruses unlike PC's, I also get told other slanderous things about PC's which I know arent true.

Just at a local best buy the other day, their apple worker tried telling me that if you type "format" in your web browser or explorer, you'll ruin your whole hard drive instantly on a windows 7 PC.

True windows and microsoft office arent cheap, but if you have a PC of the same specs as the best iMac, add windows and office, it still doesnt equal out anywhere near $2000.
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jfrost2 wrote:True windows and microsoft office arent cheap, but if you have a PC of the same specs as the best iMac, add windows and office, it still doesnt equal out anywhere near $2000.
(Oh crap, now I'm getting pulled into this…)

Okay, build me a 2.66GHz QuadCore all in one with a high quality 27" backlit 2560x1440 display, 4Gb RAM (1066 MHz DDR3; supporting up to 116Gb), a 1TB drive, and an ATI Radeon HD 4850 Graphics card with 512Mb. Oh, and include a wireless mouse and keyboard. It needs all the same ports, including an SD card slot. It also needs a microphone, webcam, built-in amplifier and stereo speakers. Now include decent amateur video editing and multitrack recording software. And DVD authoring software. And WYSIWYG web design software. And a decent drive backup utility.

How much does that cost?
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Fight Fight. LOL :D
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Sheesh, folks, give it up.
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jfrost2 wrote:I also get told other slanderous things about PC's which I know arent true.
Perhaps. But some of the things you think you know aren't true. Which means that asserting them as if you were an expert on the subject... is just more slander.

Once upon a time, I tried correcting my high school Biology teacher about something I was sure he was wrong about. Turned out he was right, and could prove it. Somehow his 7 years of college and his 10 years of teaching had taught him something I didn't know. I learned a lesson then, not so much about Biology, but about the limitations of my own expertise. I no longer contradict people who've been working in a field longer than I've been alive.
jfrost2 wrote:Just at a local best buy the other day...
I would sooner take cooking advice from a Taco Bell employee than turn to a Best Buy employee as a technology expert. They might actually have the correct answer, but that's just lucky, and has nothing to do with their job.
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TVB wrote:
jfrost2 wrote:I also get told other slanderous things about PC's which I know arent true.
Perhaps. But some of the things you think you know aren't true. Which means that asserting them as if you were an expert on the subject... is just more slander.

Once upon a time, I tried correcting my high school Biology teacher about something I was sure he was wrong about. Turned out he was right, and could prove it. Somehow his 7 years of college and his 10 years of teaching had taught him something I didn't know. I learned a lesson then, not so much about Biology, but about the limitations of my own expertise. I no longer contradict people who've been working in a field longer than I've been alive.
jfrost2 wrote:Just at a local best buy the other day...
I would sooner take cooking advice from a Taco Bell employee than turn to a Best Buy employee as a technology expert. They might actually have the correct answer, but that's just lucky, and has nothing to do with their job.
The 2 guys at the apple table at best buy had best buy uniforms, but Mac genius name tag's hung from their neck. I'd assume they were hired by apple to work inside of the best buy. Or atleast apple trained.
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A Buddy is not like a Mac, a Rattler is not like a PC, a Stella is not like some DOS operated Atari from a million years ago. Scooters are not computers. Scooter is scooter, red is red, computer is computer.
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TVB wrote:
Oh yeah. If Buddys were Macs, they would have a TON of clueless users that had never so much as sat on another scooter or motorcycle trashing them because the ads say so.
And how exactly is this different from PCs?
If Buddys were Macs, there would be a ton of posts on here about how the 2009 headlamps have a yellowish tint that is not the same color temperature as the 2008 lamps.

I use Macs, by the way. Hackintosh MSI Wind too, until the Apple netbook/tablet comes out.
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