Locking a scooter

Syd · Post by **Syd** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:53 am

Scootden wrote:...I designed a small frame made out of steel ...josh

Josh, why the notch in the (upper) left corner?

Scootden · Post by **Scootden** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:16 pm

Syd wrote:
Scootden wrote:...I designed a small frame made out of steel ...josh
Josh, why the notch in the (upper) left corner?

Good question.

If you look in the pic you can see the white curb. I was originally going to bolt it to the curb 3 times and the asphault(Sp?) once.
The concrete wasn't as strong as I'd hoped( you can see a hole I drilled) so I changed the brackets and bolted it to the ground.

The "notch" was designed to deal with a rise in the asphault at the corner of the curb. thus keeping the frame relatively close to the ground. But still keeping the frame close to the curb...leaving room for me to park my car.

It wasn't needed when I moved the brackets...but didn't really change the over all use.

josh

Eddy Merckx · Post by **Eddy Merckx** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:41 pm

I use a kryptonite NYC chain, but only when I think it may be parked semi legally

, and the local municipality might want to "tow it" so then I lock it to something like a mail box or other immovable item.... but thats just me... otherwise just the steering lock seems to do fine.

jfrost2 · Post by **jfrost2** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:48 pm

Unless the person themselves has ridden a scooter before, the center stand may pose a theft challenge for them, most non scooter experienced people have a hard time getting the stand down.

brimstone · Post by **brimstone** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:32 pm

you should put that idea into production and sell them to cities and buroughs. that's pretty sweet. it'd have to be some sort of coin operated meter thingy on it too. or........you could make a generic one (without the bar thru the foot area) so people can use their own chains (maybe weld some D rings were the posts come up) to secure it to the bracket in the pavement.

Scootden · Post by **Scootden** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:05 pm

I was orginally thinking of putting a hinge on one side. I know a steel shop that sells super beefy, completely encapsulated hinges. But they are really expensive. But if cities bought them it would be a good idea Because then all folks would have to do is bring a single lock.
The problem would lie in sizing. I took measurements for the buddy...specifically as size relate's to the height of the "leg area".
Hmmmmm My wheels are turning though!

josh

peabody99 · Post by **peabody99** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:20 pm

this goes to show you how fast and in plain sight on a busy street a 2 wheeler can get stolen. I think this video could have been edited some in the beginning b/c the actual theft happens pretty fast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D96QM-lzLM8

jfrost2 · Post by **jfrost2** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:33 pm

People can easily steal a car too, if you know someone corrupt enough, who also owns a tow truck, just tow the car away, all you need to do is break the window, shift into neutral, and tow away!

Atleast with a chain on the bike and being chained to something, it does help prevent being stolen from similar thieves in this video, all they did was pick it up and go, with a bike being chained, they'll need a cable cutter to steal the bike.

Corsair · Post by **Corsair** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:31 pm

jfrost2 wrote:People can easily steal a car too, if you know someone corrupt enough, who also owns a tow truck, just tow the car away, all you need to do is break the window, shift into neutral, and tow away!

I often get people that talk to me like I'm stupid for getting a scooter "how do you keep it safe?!" Many people REALLY don't know just how much easier than that it is to steal a car. You don't have to break any windows. Pretty much a screw driver and a few SECONDS (yes seconds) and your car is gone. Seriously, if someone wants what you have bad enough it's gone. The reason you want to lock up your scooter is to prevent the lazy thieves, bored teens, drunks, and @ssholes from rolling off with it. More than often if there's actually worked involved the typical opportunist will keep it moving and leave your scooter be.

Ultimately don't make it easy for those that may be tempted. Get some kind of theft deterrent (preferably better than a bike cord or standard chain) and get really good insurance. Hopefully you'll never have to experience being without your scooter.

brimstone · Post by **brimstone** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:43 am

Scootden wrote:I was orginally thinking of putting a hinge on one side. I know a steel shop that sells super beefy, completely encapsulated hinges. But they are really expensive. But if cities bought them it would be a good idea Because then all folks would have to do is bring a single lock.
The problem would lie in sizing. I took measurements for the buddy...specifically as size relate's to the height of the "leg area".
Hmmmmm My wheels are turning though!

josh

that's why i mentioned the D rings....then you wouldn't have to worry about measurements....each scooter owner would have their own cable. or....you could supply the chains....and then the owner would just have to have a pad lock...or whatever to lock up the chain over the foot area.

Sharon · Post by **Sharon** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:44 am

Has anyone found the "Grip Lock" for a reasonable price (onder $90)?

EP_scoot · Post by **EP_scoot** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:55 am

Interesting. When webbikeworld did the review they had it at $49.00. I can't imagine it was that long ago.
www.webbikeworld.com/r2/motorcycle-lock/grip-lock/

jfrost2 · Post by **jfrost2** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:47 pm

Some people say a grip lock is good for the lazy thief who just wheels the bike away, but someone posted a video where 2 strong guys lifted a 400+ pound motorcycle into a van in just 3 seconds and drove off. I think a simple chain would have stopped those quick pick up and go thieves, unless of course they had a chain cutter with them. I was I had a post to chain my bike to where I work, but then with all the cars that pass by, heck, someone could pick up and steal it still.

Sharon · Post by **Sharon** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:15 am

Webbikeworld has alink to the grips but that's where the cost is $90. I too saw that the suggested price was $49. I don't know where else to shop

Kaje · Post by **Kaje** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:18 am

Sharon wrote:Has anyone found the "Grip Lock" for a reasonable price (onder $90)?

they have it for $54.95 here

http://www.lockitt.com/LeverLocks.htm

Sharon · Post by **Sharon** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:39 am

Thanks for that info, Kaje...unfortunately they are "out-of-stock". I'll try again later

She-Buddy · Post by **She-Buddy** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:58 pm

I am also a big fan of Josh's impressive security invention, there. I'm not even going to bother trying to create something similar, so I'd buy one too for sure!

Anyone know anything about this:
http://www.newenoughhp.com/accessories/ ... alarm.html

Would this work with a scooter? Do you think it would drain the battery? I'll be getting insurance for my scoot, plus a chain. But I don't have a garage, so I'll be parking it overnight under the 2nd floor porch, just outside my bedroom.

Thanks for your thoughts!

showtime2100 · Post by **showtime2100** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:56 pm

I have a Binetto T3 chain with lock. Just got it when I bought my '07 Blur a couple weeks ago...Any feedback on that? I want to get an alarm as well I know its just a noise maker, but hopefully this will not allow the theif enough time to attempt to cut through my chain. Plus I want the alarm with the pager.

jfrost2 · Post by **jfrost2** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:00 pm

An alarm would be nice, but really there isnt a place to put it unless you want to sacrifice he seat storage.

showtime2100 · Post by **showtime2100** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:05 pm

S Jfrost, are you saying on the blur...the only place to put an alarm would be in the seat storage?

jfrost2 · Post by **jfrost2** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:14 pm

Well if you have space in the front near the headlights, I'm sure if you took the bike apart and attached it somewhere inside the bike it would work. But the buddy is pretty crowded when you take the front off.

illnoise · Post by **illnoise** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:19 pm

There's a bit of free space next to the battery, too, but not much. If you could squeeze it in there, it'd be the easiest place to connect it, but it'd have to be pretty small (size of a couple decks of cards maybe?). You'd probably want the speaker mounted outside somewhere, though, right?

Bb.

She-Buddy · Post by **She-Buddy** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:10 am

KRUSTYburger wrote:I don't know if you saw what I wrote in a previous post, but I use an OnGuard Rottweiler.

I see there are several lengths of the Rottweiler available. What length did you purchase?

jfrost2 · Post by **jfrost2** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:15 am

Doesnt really matter if you have an alarm or not.

Go the ther super market for 1 hour, guy steals the bike, you wont hear the alarm inside the store, same for a car alarm.

scullyfu · Post by **scullyfu** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:44 am

jfrost2 wrote:Doesnt really matter if you have an alarm or not.

Go the ther super market for 1 hour, guy steals the bike, you wont hear the alarm inside the store, same for a car alarm.

yeah, car alarms are so common that i don't see anyone even bat an eyelash or turn their head to investigate when they're going off.

showtime2100 · Post by **showtime2100** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:48 pm

Jfrost remember I would get a pager for my alarm. So I would be alerted. And like another guy posted I wouldn't physically disrupt the robbery, I would make as much noise as possible drawing all eyes on him. It would primarily be for quick stops and to give someone less time to attempt to cut my binetto T3 chain

jfrost2 · Post by **jfrost2** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:50 pm

Too 100 feet.

If you park somewhere is a parking lot, walk to the entrace, that's probably already 50-100 feet. Then going into the isles of the store, the walls and distance will blur out the signal.

showtime2100 · Post by **showtime2100** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:02 pm

I understand what you are saying jFrost, you make a valid point; however, just using your example, It would not take me an hour to shop for anything I can transport on the blur with just the underseat storage and my backpack. If I'm shopping for an hour I would have bags of things; therefore, I would be in my car. The alarm is for parking under 20 min and when I'm able to chain it up it just compounds my theft detterent system....The gorilla says about a 1/2 mile away.

addictionriot · Post by **addictionriot** » Thu May 15, 2008 8:55 am

Bringing up an old subject but just wondered about something.

What if I purchased alarm and/or disc lock but also locked my cover. IE Most covers have grommet holes that I could put over the scooter and then lock at the bottom.

Is that stupid?

kazoo · Post by **kazoo** » Thu May 15, 2008 12:06 pm

<Crashed>

Kaz

ryder1 · Post by **ryder1** » Fri May 16, 2008 12:51 am

Gary....I've heard good things about this; http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/motorcyc ... grip-lock/

Where online can the grip lock be purchased?

This must be the same brand is on the Review
http://www.grip-lock.com/shop/

Some other brands out there that look similar.

What keeps someone from lifting your scooter up then take it wherever and use the angle grinder to buzz off the grip lock?

nissanman · Post by **nissanman** » Fri May 16, 2008 1:17 am

The answer to your question... is not having an angle grinder

Modern Buddy

Locking a scooter

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