Who's Crashed? [Crash Reports]

peabody99 · Post by **peabody99** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:12 pm

good for you Glen. I know what a pain it is to go to court, but Judges are really grateful for testimony like yours when making a determination. I can't stand the thought that someone would try and twist the truth and diss a rider.
For all the times we get screwed you scored one for the team.

iMoses · Post by **iMoses** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:15 pm

NOTE: Crashed happened about 1 year ago.
1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color? 1 black/1 cream (both 125s)
2. Was the crash due to rider error? Yes, I was following to close/not paying attention. Lead Buddy made a right turn (I didn’t see the turn signal). I slammed on brakes as cream Buddy turned in front of me. Thought I was going to t-bone her so I turned my front wheel to avoid collision (that when I fell). She heard me crash and looked back (that’s when she fell).
What time of day did it occur? 5:30 pm
3. Could the crash have been avoided? Yes
What will you do differently next time? Use the 2-second rule when following and paying attention to what is happening around me.
4. Was the rider injured? 1 sore shoulder (me), 1 sore ankle (her). Weekend before the crash we purchased Corazzo jackets and helmets.
5. What was the damage to the Buddy? Scratches only
6. Cost of repairs, if any? $0
7. How much (weeks, months, years) riding experience does the rider have? Had the scoots for around 1-1/2 months, so about 3 weeks of actual riding experience.
Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neither? Permits (at the time). Licensed now.
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course? Nope
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner? Yes
10. How fast was the rider going? Me 25 mph, until I slammed on the brakes, she was turning so about 5 mph for her.
11. How far was the rider from home? 10 miles from home.

Dooglas · Post by **Dooglas** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:08 pm

Well, you had courage posting this one. Buddy tries to t-bone Buddy. You miss but the other scoot goes down in sympathy anyway. So, it is a year later. Did you and your friend take the MSF? Do you feel you have better situational awareness now when you ride a scoot? Have you had additional practice at riding in groups?

myras_girls · Post by **myras_girls** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:56 am

iMoses wrote: Yes, I was following to close/not paying attention. Lead Buddy made a right turn (I didn’t see the turn signal). I slammed on brakes as cream Buddy turned in front of me. Thought I was going to t-bone her so I turned my front wheel to avoid collision (that when I fell). She heard me crash and looked back (that’s when she fell).

This almost happened to me on a scooter club ride. I was leading and signaled a right turn and the rider in second position didn't see my signal. Fortunately we didn't crash but now when riding with other scoots I like to use hand signals as well as my signal lights. Hand signals are sometimes more obvious.

Becktastic · Post by **Becktastic** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:59 am

myras_girls wrote:
iMoses wrote: Yes, I was following to close/not paying attention. Lead Buddy made a right turn (I didn’t see the turn signal). I slammed on brakes as cream Buddy turned in front of me. Thought I was going to t-bone her so I turned my front wheel to avoid collision (that when I fell). She heard me crash and looked back (that’s when she fell).
This almost happened to me on a scooter club ride. I was leading and signaled a right turn and the rider in second position didn't see my signal. Fortunately we didn't crash but now when riding with other scoots I like to use hand signals as well as my signal lights. Hand signals are sometimes more obvious.

Yeah we try to use both when we group ride to minimize incidents like this.

My accident was somewhat related to following too closely...and going to fast for the weather.

louie · Post by **louie** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:39 am

i use hand signals all the time since my mate told me he couldn't see the blinkers or tail light very well in the daylight.

at our rally a couple of weeks ago a girl won the biggest jackass award because she kept running up my and others arses while on rides.

Becktastic · Post by **Becktastic** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:32 pm

louie wrote:i use hand signals all the time since my mate told me he couldn't see the blinkers or tail light very well in the daylight.

at our rally a couple of weeks ago a girl won the biggest jackass award because she kept running up my and others arses while on rides.

Did anyone tell her she was being dangerous? Newbies sometimes feel inclined to ride really close when in staggered formation. I'm sure she'd much rather be pulled aside and sweetly informed what she was doing was wrong, rather than face more jackass trophies

louie · Post by **louie** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:43 pm

Becktastic wrote:
louie wrote:i use hand signals all the time since my mate told me he couldn't see the blinkers or tail light very well in the daylight.

at our rally a couple of weeks ago a girl won the biggest jackass award because she kept running up my and others arses while on rides.
Did anyone tell her she was being dangerous? Newbies sometimes feel inclined to ride really close when in staggered formation. I'm sure she'd much rather be pulled aside and sweetly informed what she was doing was wrong, rather than face more jackass trophies

she's not a newbie, been riding for at least 4 years. just her overall makeup to be ummm, in the mix of all things. she was quite proud of the jackass desigantion. while giving the award if she didn't get the flatout you are dangerous she never will. i think she just doesn't care/get it.

myras_girls · Post by **myras_girls** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:48 pm

Becktastic wrote:Did anyone tell her she was being dangerous? Newbies sometimes feel inclined to ride really close when in staggered formation. I'm sure she'd much rather be pulled aside and sweetly informed what she was doing was wrong, rather than face more jackass trophies

Unfortunately we've got two "experienced" riders in our club that follow too closely and occassionally pass other riders during club rides. One of them is the type who can be "scooterier than thou", even.

Yeah. I'd say something but the one in particular seems to think she is the scooter queen and knows better than everyone else already. I may make an announcement at the next ride anyway. I'm sure we could all use a refresher of group riding tips.

louie · Post by **louie** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:56 pm

as a group we are careful to follow the group ride rules and anyone (mostly newbies) will get it, the private way, if they don't. this was a rally ride with out of towners and 70ish scoots. without her we would have had a hell of a time finding someone to give the award to outside our group (for noneriding reasons of course).

ageekgirl · Post by **ageekgirl** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:46 pm

It was my first group ride. I was far enough away from the person who was the jackass winner that I missed her, thank goodness. I was just trying to make sure I kept enough room around me in case of emergency, and was visible to riders behind me who may not have been able to keep up.

sunbeamlaserbeam · Post by **sunbeamlaserbeam** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:30 pm

ericalm wrote:
1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
3. Could the crash have been avoided? What will you do differently next time?
4. Was the rider injured?
5. What was the damage to the Buddy?
6. Cost of repairs, if any?
7. How much (weeks, months, years) riding experience does the rider have? Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neither?
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?
10. How fast was the rider going?
11. How far was the rider from home?

1. Buddy International 150 - Pamplona
2. Crash was due to a zoned out woman in her Lexus SUV turning left in front of me into a parking lot at 11:30 am. I was going through a green light (I had the right of way). She started to turn, looked at me, stopped, started to turn, stopped, and then continued on to turn. I was about 8 feet in front of her at that point (with a car load of friends right behind me) and I slammed on the brakes, locked the wheels and skidded out.
3. I could have tried to turn left or right and avoid going at her straight on, but it happened so quickly - if I hadn't slammed on the brakes I would have plowed right into the front end of her car.
4. My knee is bruised up and I'm pretty sore all over, but nothing major.
5. I *think* Ferdinand came out OK, but we left him locked to a bike rack when I went to the hospital. Going to pick him up today and will give him a once-over then. Fingers crossed! I know the side got scratched up.
6. We'll see...
7. Had the bike since October 1st. Haven't gone to get the motorcycle license yet but I can cuz -
8. Took the MSF course in August.
9. Yes.
10. I think I was going about 25-30 mph.
11. I was about 5 miles from home and 3 miles from work.

I was on a work trip with my entire department, so I had a posse of about 10 people at the scene, including another friend who was biking by and saw the whole thing happened. The police ruled it was the fault of the SUV driver. They were all telling me about their Harley's, etc. The driver (who was clearly a complete idiot) never even asked if I was OK or apologized. She just got out of the car and said "I didn't see you!" and "I had my blinker on!". Then she walked over later and said "I never meant for this to happen..." No kidding, me either! I'm afraid I did not filter much when she (finally) stepped out of her car; she got an earful.

broke · Post by **broke** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:40 pm

sunbeamlaserbeam wrote:4. My knee is bruised up and I'm pretty sore all over, but nothing major.
5. I *think* Ferdinand came out OK, but we left him locked to a bike rack when I went to the hospital. Going to pick him up today and will give him a once-over then. Fingers crossed! I know the side got scratched up.

Very sorry to hear about the crash. I've heard that a majority of crashes are due to cars left-turning in front of a motorcycle. It sucks to be in the majority though

I know that it also sucks to be inconvenienced because of her lack of attention, but I would think that you would be better off having a tow-truck carefully transport your bike to your dealer for inspection... rather than for you to try and drive it there. Her insurance would definitely be required to pay for it, but like I said it will be more inconvenience for you (arrange the transport, pay initially, contact her insurance to reimburse, wait for dealer's assessment of damage, etc.)

Best wishes!
Brian

LisaLisa · Post by **LisaLisa** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:46 pm

louie wrote:i use hand signals all the time since my mate told me he couldn't see the blinkers or tail light very well in the daylight.

at our rally a couple of weeks ago a girl won the biggest jackass award because she kept running up my and others arses while on rides.

Yeah. That was the reason. OK.

LisaLisa · Post by **LisaLisa** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:53 pm

She just got out of the car and said "I didn't see you!" and "I had my blinker on!".

Heh heh that's the best thing for them to say. It's an admission of fault. Go to the doctor and get some pain meds just in case. I'm still having neck spasms every once in a while.

Best of luck and hope 'nando is ride-able. If he is, you'll soon be riding around on an ugly scoot for a few weeks, but at least you'll be riding.

sunbeamlaserbeam · Post by **sunbeamlaserbeam** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:02 pm

The police did rule it her fault - yay! Hopefully her insurance will pay for all the damage (although it's not much, surprisingly). Ferds just has some scratches and needs a new brake handle - it's still working, just bent a little bit. I went and got him today and my roommate followed behind in case he quit working. It was SO cold. brrrr. when's summer?!?!

GDP · Post by **GDP** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:25 pm

Wow, this sounds remarkably similar to my accident.
I'm sure it's been read, but I can't stress it enough:
Just because the driver was cited, does not ensure her
conviction. Find out the hearing date and go to testify.
Bring a few more witnesses too if you can.
You don't want her telling her own story to the judge
without someone there to remind her what actually happened.

Heal well.

Glen

sunbeamlaserbeam · Post by **sunbeamlaserbeam** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:03 am

good call, Glen. I do NOT want her getting off. I am going to write her a nice little note asking her to please pay attention, etc etc and remind her that I could have been her grandaughter/niece/sister/friend.. Who knows if it'll get through her dense mind fog but I hope so...

sunbeamlaserbeam · Post by **sunbeamlaserbeam** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:08 am

Oh, and I do have witnesses. The 8 or so people from my work and my friend who was biking by and saw the whole thing. All set in that department!

louie · Post by **louie** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:28 am

sunbeamlaserbeam wrote:good call, Glen. I do NOT want her getting off. I am going to write her a nice little note asking her to please pay attention, etc etc and remind her that I could have been her grandaughter/niece/sister/friend.. Who knows if it'll get through her dense mind fog but I hope so...

exactly my thought, good call glen.
it's mostly your side of the story, but it's our side of the story too.
tell it. i'm tired of hearing it.

Syd · Post by **Syd** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:38 am

sunbeamlaserbeam wrote:I am going to write her a nice little note asking her to please pay attention, etc etc..

Is this likely to go to court? If so I don't know if that's a good idea. I can't even tell you why I think so, it just doesn't feel right (to me).

GDP · Post by **GDP** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:59 am

With her cited in the accident report, her insurance will cover your scooter.
I understand your logic, but I don't think writing a note is a good idea either at this point. Legal council would advise against any contact with her.
You want to write a note because you want her to learn a lesson and make the road a safer place: The only thing idiots respond to are fines, points, and increased insurance rates. Even her friend in the passenger seat saying "hey, pay attention" would likely find deaf ears.

ericz · Post by **ericz** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:51 pm

Scooter vs. Pickup Truck

1. I lost!!
2. I was JRA at about 30 mph approaching an up hill intersection with stop signs for traffic perpendicular to me (I had the right of way).
3. Pickup did not check right or just didnt see me. (Yeah, me with the high visibilty jacket in broad daylight and my high beam on.)
4. Pickup pulled out in front of me creating an impending T-bone.
5. Jammed on the brakes and locked 'em up. Down I went for the death slide.
6. Not sure what happened next but by the time I stopped tumbling and sliding my right foot was crushed. It may have gone under his right rear tire as he finally stopped all the way through the intersection.
7. Pickup driver Dude got out, asked if I was okay (stupid question) and then took off with me getting only a partial on his plate #.
8. Filed a claim with my own insurance as uninsured/underinsured driver. fortunately a witness claimed that the driver hit me. (Witness, your karma has been greatly enhanced!)
9. Finally got my insurance to settle after 3 months. I had color photos of the damage to me and the scoot.
10. Bent steering collumn, side panels scraped, front fender scraped, replace front turn signal, brake lever and handlebar grip.

pats_buddy · Post by **pats_buddy** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:35 pm

In my effort to be environmentally friendly I purchased a Buddy in June'08 and spent the entire summer navigating the streets of Chicago then on October 2 -- -it all changed:

1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?
Seafoam Green 125 Buddy.
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
The crash occurred around 4 pm, on my way home from school; the crash due to SUV driver error switching lanes from left to right, no turn signal. The driver of the SUV was cited.
3. Could the crash have been avoided? What will you do differently next time?
The crash could have been avoided if I was in the left lane; next time- stay out of the right lane.
4. Was the rider injured?
I turned sharply to avoid colliding with the SUV, started to slide; did considerable damage to my right leg; fractured and fragmented by tibula and fibula, went through two surgeries, my right foot is non-weight bearing until Jan 2; working part-time. Great to be alive!
5. What was the damage to the Buddy?
very little - cosmetic.
6. Cost of repairs, if any? zipp to my Buddy;
I spent a total of 23 days in the hospital (13) and rehab (10)

7. How much (weeks, months, years) riding experience does the rider have? Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neither?
1,200+ miles; no motorcycle license
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?
No - waiting to get into a class
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?
It's my buddy!
10. How fast was the rider going?
between 15 -20 mph
11. How far was the rider from home?
6 miles

Pete1ks · Post by **Pete1ks** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:40 am

1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color? Pamplona

2. Was the crash due to rider error? Yes, I was turning right, lost traction on the rear wheel and hit the front brake too hard...caused a front side crash on the right.

3. Could the crash have been avoided? Yes. If I had hit the rear brake hard, I'd be OK....or if I had gone into the turn reallly slow I would have been OK.

I"ll slow more deliberately into turns in the future, and remember that breaking while turning is too late....break before the turn.

4. Broken collar bone and bruised ribs. Full helmet so my brain is good.

5. What was the damage to the Buddy? Scratches only

6. Cost of repairs, if any? $0

7. How much (weeks, months, years) riding experience does the rider have? Had the scoot for 10 months.
Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neither? Permits (at the time). Yep.

8. Had the rider completed the MSF course? Yes...and they taught me that if I hit the front break I'd be toast, but shit happens man.

9. Was the rider the scooter's owner? Yes

10. How fast was the rider going? 25 mph

11. How far was the rider from home? 500 feet from home

You can't imagine the frak pressure I am getting from family and in-laws to sell my Pamplona, and I don't want to do it.

BigColdMartini · Post by **BigColdMartini** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:07 am

Pete1ks - Next time, be sure to break before entering the turn. And remember that if you lock the rear break just keep it locked until you come to a complete stop. Otherwise, if you release the break you'll do a high-side flip when the rear wheel starts spinning. Watch some motorcycle races and you'll see this happen sometimes.

Hope you get better soon and smart choice on the FF helmet.

pugbuddy · Post by **pugbuddy** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:11 am

Wow, several accidents over the last few days. Sorry to hear it, guys. Some bad injuries too--I hope and pray everyone heals well and soon!

Becktastic · Post by **Becktastic** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:45 pm

Pete1ks wrote: You can't imagine the frak pressure I am getting from family and in-laws to sell my Pamplona, and I don't want to do it.

I'm glad to hear you still want to ride

your family will come around eventually (or at least give up). Some people get really scared off after their first accident, especially when they have been injured. You are brave to stick to it!

Ride On

emptym · Post by **emptym** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:35 pm

I almost became a member of this topic yesterday heading home from work. About 3:30pm, I am going about 45ish, and some guy comes from a side street on my right, to turn to his right, and join the flow of traffic on the one way road i am on (that sounds confusing)..

Its a big road, (3 lanes, 40mph) but never has much traffic, and this guy must not have anticipated anyone coming, let along a scooter. He pulled up about 10 feet past his stop sign VERY FAST, hardly stopped, pulled his nose WAAAY out, saw me. stopped, then pulled his nose out even further (fully in the right lane now) and stopped again. As I was in the right lane, I swerved to the paint stripe to avoid his front end (car just behind me in the left lane). As I swerved left and approached this douche, I made eye contact with him... well, thru sunglasses i did. When we made eye contact, I could see him yelling at me thru his windshield shaking himself against the steering wheel with one hand , and giving me the ol' 1 finger salute with the other.

I didn't do anything other than look at him. I had the brakes covered so I couldn't have waved angrily, or returned the salute -- and I had a bandanna over my mouth/chin to keep the chill out (3/4 helmet) so if i even had time to make a face, he never woulda seen it.

So, after me and the car beside me pass, he pulls into traffic, PUNCHES IT and came by me VERY fast (probably doing 60-65) then slowed down fast right next to me, (to my left) and proceeded to jerk the car towards me, crossing just onto the paint stripes, then swerving back... did it twice very very quickly.

At that point, I hit my brakes to get behind him, got his license plate just in case, (thinking he might stop and try to start something), and pulled into a parking lot for a minute to let him go off and terrorize someone in a cage.

took a few deep breaths, gathered my angry nerves, and rode home fairly happy. (happier than him at least)

there are some real idiots/douchebags out there.
I mean, he pulls out into traffic, gets mad that someone (me) is there preventing him from running the stop sign; then decides that his 4000 lb car would make a good weapon against me simply for being there.

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:25 pm

emptym wrote:I almost became a member of this topic yesterday heading home from work. About 3:30pm, I am going about 45ish, and some guy comes from a side street on my right, to turn to his right, and join the flow of traffic on the one way road i am on (that sounds confusing)..

Its a big road, (3 lanes, 40mph) but never has much traffic, and this guy must not have anticipated anyone coming, let along a scooter. He pulled up about 10 feet past his stop sign VERY FAST, hardly stopped, pulled his nose WAAAY out, saw me. stopped, then pulled his nose out even further (fully in the right lane now) and stopped again. As I was in the right lane, I swerved to the paint stripe to avoid his front end (car just behind me in the left lane). As I swerved left and approached this douche, I made eye contact with him... well, thru sunglasses i did. When we made eye contact, I could see him yelling at me thru his windshield shaking himself against the steering wheel with one hand , and giving me the ol' 1 finger salute with the other.

I didn't do anything other than look at him. I had the brakes covered so I couldn't have waved angrily, or returned the salute -- and I had a bandanna over my mouth/chin to keep the chill out (3/4 helmet) so if i even had time to make a face, he never woulda seen it.

So, after me and the car beside me pass, he pulls into traffic, PUNCHES IT and came by me VERY fast (probably doing 60-65) then slowed down fast right next to me, (to my left) and proceeded to jerk the car towards me, crossing just onto the paint stripes, then swerving back... did it twice very very quickly.

At that point, I hit my brakes to get behind him, got his license plate just in case, (thinking he might stop and try to start something), and pulled into a parking lot for a minute to let him go off and terrorize someone in a cage.

took a few deep breaths, gathered my angry nerves, and rode home fairly happy. (happier than him at least)

there are some real idiots/douchebags out there.
I mean, he pulls out into traffic, gets mad that someone (me) is there preventing him from running the stop sign; then decides that his 4000 lb car would make a good weapon against me simply for being there.

You should have called the cops on him. Sounds like you did nothing wrong, and swerving at a motorcycle is a *VERY* serious offence. That person could (and likely should) be seriously fined or even face jail depending on what he gets charged with (In some states this is attempted murder)

gluv4u2 · Post by **gluv4u2** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:03 pm

my girlfriend and I went to play with her toy on day 2. She unfortunately slipped on a small puddle in a packing lot and freaked out and hit the gas instead of breaking and putting her feet down.

1. 150, Pamplona Red
2. Mid Moring, slight puddles on the ground an hour or two after the rain fall.
3. yes, dont ride with any rain out.
4. only slightly, knee brusing, and leg.
5. yes, light came out of place, light bracket cracked, and headlight cover cracked.
6. probably $100 after i paint, sand, and get a new head cover. I glued everything else together and fixed it.
7. permit, only a few days.
8. not yet, but its on the list.
9. no
10. maybe 2mph
11. 10miles

emptym · Post by **emptym** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:10 pm

Kaos wrote:You should have called the cops on him. Sounds like you did nothing wrong, and swerving at a motorcycle is a *VERY* serious offence. That person could (and likely should) be seriously fined or even face jail depending on what he gets charged with (In some states this is attempted murder)

Thought about it... but....
- given what I have read in this thread about cops not really caring about "real" accidents, hit and runs, etc... figured there wasn't much point...
- given the cops in Phoenix don't care too much (had my house broken into, and the cops all but accused me of stealing my own stuff.. long story)... and
- given the guys appearance and dress; the neighborhood; his car; and the modifications to it - i doubt the thought of jail is either a deterrent nor an unfamiliar place to him
[don't mean to 'profile', and sorry if I have offended anyone by typing this... don't mean it to, just a bit of residual anger... I am a nice guy; really]

it's amazing all the thoughts that race thru your brain in like 10 seconds or less when the adrenaline is flowing.

Becktastic · Post by **Becktastic** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:34 am

emptym wrote:
Kaos wrote:You should have called the cops on him. Sounds like you did nothing wrong, and swerving at a motorcycle is a *VERY* serious offence. That person could (and likely should) be seriously fined or even face jail depending on what he gets charged with (In some states this is attempted murder)
Thought about it... but....
- given what I have read in this thread about cops not really caring about "real" accidents, hit and runs, etc... figured there wasn't much point...
- given the cops in Phoenix don't care too much (had my house broken into, and the cops all but accused me of stealing my own stuff.. long story)... and
- given the guys appearance and dress; the neighborhood; his car; and the modifications to it - i doubt the thought of jail is either a deterrent nor an unfamiliar place to him
[don't mean to 'profile', and sorry if I have offended anyone by typing this... don't mean it to, just a bit of residual anger... I am a nice guy; really]

it's amazing all the thoughts that race thru your brain in like 10 seconds or less when the adrenaline is flowing.

Yeah AZ cops are pretty terrible. We called them once from my parents house because our neighbor was shooting into our yard with a semi-automatic weapon. The cops said they could send someone in a couple days.

I'm glad you didn't get hurt. That was smart to just pull over and calm your nerves.

illnoise · Post by **illnoise** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:44 am

I crashified today, but it wasn't on a buddy so I won't post a full report here.

But I learned some things, if you're interested, here's the story:

http://2strokebuzz.com/?p=4495

Syd · Post by **Syd** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:07 am

illnoise wrote:...they make me cry during Gilligan’s Island...

Classic, thanks.

louie · Post by **louie** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:41 am

Syd wrote:
illnoise wrote:...they make me cry during Gilligan’s Island...
Classic, thanks.

nyquil does that to me. narcotics, i'm good with them.

broke · Post by **broke** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:32 am

illnoise wrote:I crashified today...

NOOOOOOoooooooooooooo! Dang. Sorry to hear it!

Scootress · Post by **Scootress** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:52 pm

This past Saturday:
1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color? 2006 Sunset 125
2. Was the crash due to rider error? I don't think so. Slippery goo in the road.
3. What time of day did it occur? about 11:30am
4. Could the crash have been avoided? Only if I had avoided that particular intersection.
5. What will you do differently next time? I'm getting grippier tires, tho I don't know if that will be a 100% deterrent.
6. Was the rider injured? Only bruised & sore..
7. What was the damage to the Buddy? Shredded left plastic panels & grip. I'll take her into Ducati Seattle tomorrow to see if there is more extensive damage.
8. Cost of repairs, if any? TBD.
9. How much (weeks, months, years) riding experience does the rider have? Daily rider for just under two years.
10. Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neither? Permits (at the time). MC License.
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course? Yup.
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner? Yes
10. How fast was the rider going? Probably 25mph
11. How far was the rider from home? About half a mile.

eeyoremd · Post by **eeyoremd** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:58 am

Happened saturday afternoon.

1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color? 2009 Orange Buddy 125

2. Was the crash due to rider error? Yeah. I pulled off the road onto a side street. i was just about at a full stop and started to do a turn and hit gravel which caused the back tire to slide from under me. the bike started to fall to the side and my leg stopped it from crashing to the ground. i didnt hit the ground but had a sore leg. picked up the bike. had to adjust the mirrors and started off again. besides the little incident, it was a very nice long drive. about 40-50 miles.

3. What time of day did it occur? approx 2pm

4. Could the crash have been avoided? Yeah.

5. What will you do differently next time? Don't turn in gravel.

6. Was the rider injured? bruised leg

7. What was the damage to the Buddy? scratches

8. Cost of repairs, if any? 0.

9. How much (weeks, months, years) riding experience does the rider have? 3 months

10. Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neither? motorcycle endorsement

8. Had the rider completed the MSF course? No

9. Was the rider the scooter's owner? Yeah

10. How fast was the rider going? less then 3 mph. just about at a complete stop.

11. How far was the rider from home? over 20 miles

jrsjr · Post by **jrsjr** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:05 pm

After getting some much-needed rest, it occurred to me that it wasn't a good idea to have the crash database disssion inside the actual crash database. That might lead folks to think that the Crash thread is "done," which is certainly isn't. Plus this wasn't the right place to discuss results. So, the Buddy Crash Database discussion now has its own thread which lives, um, here.

Thanks.

itzhak37 · Post by **itzhak37** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:13 am

1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?
Italia 50

2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
No rider error. I was at a stoplight and the fella (in a giant utility van) who had been immediately behind me for the whole duration of the light kept creeping until he rear ended me.

3. Could the crash have been avoided? What will you do differently next time?
I suppose it could have been avoided if I'd been more vigilant about checking my mirrors. I just thought that at a red light, people would be standing still.

4. Was the rider injured?
No.

5. What was the damage to the Buddy?
Cracked the rear plastic panel below the brake light. The hit felt hard, but the damage was minor. Thank God Buddy's are made of plastic, otherwise I'm sure the dent in a metal scoot would have been expensive to pound out - and would be quiet noticeable if the repair were delayed.

6. Cost of repairs, if any?
Not going to bother.

7. How much (weeks, months, years) riding experience does the rider have?
Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neither?
I've ridden my scoot almost every day since October 21, so 3 months. I have a motorcycle permit.

8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?
No.

9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?
Yes.

10. How fast was the rider going?
Stopped. 0 mph.

11. How far was the rider from home?
<1 mile.

itzhak37 · Post by **itzhak37** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:25 am

emptym wrote:
Kaos wrote:You should have called the cops on him. Sounds like you did nothing wrong, and swerving at a motorcycle is a *VERY* serious offence. That person could (and likely should) be seriously fined or even face jail depending on what he gets charged with (In some states this is attempted murder)
Thought about it... but....
- given what I have read in this thread about cops not really caring about "real" accidents, hit and runs, etc... figured there wasn't much point...
- given the cops in Phoenix don't care too much (had my house broken into, and the cops all but accused me of stealing my own stuff.. long story)... and
- given the guys appearance and dress; the neighborhood; his car; and the modifications to it - i doubt the thought of jail is either a deterrent nor an unfamiliar place to him
[don't mean to 'profile', and sorry if I have offended anyone by typing this... don't mean it to, just a bit of residual anger... I am a nice guy; really]

it's amazing all the thoughts that race thru your brain in like 10 seconds or less when the adrenaline is flowing.

Not sure if you want to spend the time on it, but even if the police don't act on the charge (possibly reckless driving), you could pursue a tort action against the douchebag in civil court. Possible causes of action could include attempted battery, assault, and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

I'm not into people overreacting and suing people over inane BS (i.e. coffee is too hot!), but the tortfeasor in your situation seems definitely worthy of getting slapped with a civil suit. Behavior that could result in forcing a person to the pavement at 40 mph is dangerous and totally unacceptable.

If you're concerned about proving your case, just remember that the standard in a civil suit is much much less than in a criminal one.

Becktastic · Post by **Becktastic** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:31 pm

itzhak37 wrote: 2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
No rider error. I was at a stoplight and the fella (in a giant utility van) who had been immediately behind me for the whole duration of the light kept creeping until he rear ended me.

Did he say anything to you after this happened? Was he just not paying attention? Did he not see you or did he think he had more space?

black sunshine · Post by **black sunshine** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:49 pm

1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?

50, cream.

2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?

Kinda sorta . . . happened at around 1am on the way back from a trivia night.

3. Could the crash have been avoided? What will you do differently next time?

Totally. It rained, my seat was wet, so I sat on an Ikea bag I happened to have on me. There's a series of speed bumps on the way to my girlfriend's house, and I was hitting the LAST ONE . . . went up, came off the seat some, came down and slipped off the damned bag. I fell, scoot went sliding down the street . . .

4. Was the rider injured?

Ankle wound (tis only a flesh one!), and pretty sure I bruised my tailbone.

5. What was the damage to the Buddy?

Same damage that it had when I bought it . . . so, no new scratches. Thank god I haven't bought new panels for it yet!

6. Cost of repairs, if any?

Not really applicable. She's running fine as far as I can tell.

7. How much (weeks, months, years) riding experience does the rider have? Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neither?

I've got about 4 months worth at this point between Tsubaki and my gf's scooter. I have a permit.

8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?

Nope

9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?

Yus.

10. How fast was the rider going?

Maybe 15mph.

11. How far was the rider from home?

Less than 1/4 block from my destination!

itzhak37 · Post by **itzhak37** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:21 pm

Becktastic wrote:
itzhak37 wrote: 2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
No rider error. I was at a stoplight and the fella (in a giant utility van) who had been immediately behind me for the whole duration of the light kept creeping until he rear ended me.
Did he say anything to you after this happened? Was he just not paying attention? Did he not see you or did he think he had more space?

There were no actual words traded between us. I really didn't know what to do, so I pulled over to the curb, got off my scoot to assess the damage (very minimal), and looked up at the driver who gave me one of those "whatever" hand waves and then he looked away. While I was still looking at my back end, the light turned green and the guy in the truck drove away.

I know I should have gotten his plate number, but I was in such shock that he pulled such a d*ck move that it didn't cross my mind until later on.

Anyhow, I'm positive he saw me, it was a mighty long light, and he was stopped behind me for its entire duration. I don't like being close to cars, even at lights, so when we first stopped, I pulled all the way up to the crosswalk line to make some room between us. He just wasn't paying attention and ended up giving me a mighty hard bump (4000 lb van v. my Buddy).

rabbitgod · Post by **rabbitgod** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:16 pm

That really sucks. Van guy is several levels of jerk.

I'm always really concerned about this happening to me. I've been rear ended 3 times in my car. All three were at red lights. Twice people just never bothered to come to a complete stop and on the third there was a right turner so everybody moved up one spot, the person behind me thought that meant it was time to gun it.

rabbitgod · Post by **rabbitgod** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:18 am

Well I was hoping to avoid this thread for a while, but last night I was rear ended on my way to a christmas eve part.

1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?
125 Tangerine

2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
No. 7pm

3. Could the crash have been avoided? What will you do differently next time?
Maybe? I could have let off the brakes and maybe have a few extra feet for the person behind me to stop. But I have a feeling I would have been screwed regardless.

4. Was the rider injured?
Yep. I scraped and swollen ankle. Road rash on my knee. Bruised hips and butt, also my palms have a couple light bruises. My right side is a little sore, but no visible injury. Once again I did not hit my head. This concerns me because I'm filling up that stat block a little too well.

5. What was the damage to the Buddy?
Actually, take my previous falling down and add about 50% more scratches. Virutally all in the same area plus some rear fender dings. It labors on startup which never happened before even in 'cold' weather. When it idles there is a light ticking sound. Otherwise driveable.

6. Cost of repairs, if any?
Unknown. Shop is closed today, I would imagine tomorrow. Probably one or more days next week. Will update.

Update: Finally the insurance people came and took pictures. It took far too long for them to come out. Anyway, so the total is 830.67. That's pretty much everything on the right hand side plus front fender and headset/headlight pieces. And an entire muffler.

7. How much (weeks, months, years) riding experience does the rider have? Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neither?
3 months. License.

8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?
Yes, and once again I remained level headed and was able to minimize my own injuries.

9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?
Yes

10. How fast was the rider going?
Probably 10-15. I'm not sure. I was stopping so I was paying attention to the car in front of me and not the spedo.

11. How far was the rider from home?
6miles

The scoop: I was driving to my childhood neighborhood to have christmas eve tamale dinner with a friends family, per tradition. The left turn lane that goes from 22nd to the ramp on I-10 is closed and there is a big flashy arrow sign. For some reason people think that means they need to merge to the right lane (they don't, they just can't turn left). the speed limit is 30 on this stretch, but people go 50 so when there is a merge people tend to hit the breaks.

There was a Hummer 3 to my left so I gave him some distance (as I always do with big vehicles) he merges into my lane without signal, but it's ok because I have buckets of room. He stops, so do I, the woman behind me tries to stop, she skids right into me. I fall down and the bike and I slide about 10 feet.

I get up and sit down on the curb for a second because my ankle hurts, and you know, I was just hit by a car. A nice Sonoran pulls over and pulls my scooter onto the sidewalk for me, cops and paramedic arrive. I receive police report and they say I can go. I ride the bike around in a now empty christmas tree lot to check the mechanics. Everything seems fine so I proceed to my party and eat delicious tamales.

We also played 'Catchphrase.' It was pretty fun.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 3:49 am

rabbitgod wrote:Well I was hoping to avoid this thread for a while, but last night I was rear ended on my way to a christmas eve part.

I'm glad your injuries weren't more serious.

I've always considered myself to be a defensive driver, but one thing that this forum has really brought to my attention is the number of folks that get rear ended while stopped on their scoots. I'm very cognizant of that now and found myself checking my mirrors regularly when stopped at a light or stop sign. Someone else just posted a site with tips on making yourself more visible when on two wheels. One of the tips was to flash your brake light when stopped. I think that is a good idea and that's a tip I intend to use.

Rob

Syd · Post by **Syd** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:04 am

rabbitgod wrote:...Everything seems fine so I proceed to my party and eat delicious tamales...

Sorry to hear about the accident. I hope your Buddy is OK, and if not the person at fault has insurance to cover it.

Tamales at Christmas? mmmm. I'll bet a large portion of the MB community is wondering what you mean, their loss. It's one of the things many of us in the Southwest look forward to most in November/December.

rabbitgod · Post by **rabbitgod** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 5:17 am

Rob-I do the flashing break thing. I do many of the tips on that site and working on getting the rest done, they also recomended it in my MSF course.

I think where my collision is different is that we were in the process of stopping. She just straight up ran into me, I probably could have been the Hummer and she still would have hit me. I had my safety green vest, white helmet, reflective bits on the back of the buddy, flashing break light, but in the end she was probably going to fast and failed to break in time.

I actually kind of felt bad for her because I really do think she just made an honest mistake. She wasn't gabbing on her phone, eating a burger, slapping the kids around in the backseat. She just hit the person in front of her.

Syd-Heck yeah, tamales man. It's pretty much the only Christmas tradition I actually follow. Gastronomic traditions are the best. Period.

She does have insurance (Allstate) and she seemed pretty responsible. In all the times I've been rear ended she's the only one that started with "Are you ok?" everybody else started with "Damnit my car!"

Modern Buddy

Who's Crashed? [Crash Reports]

i crashed...oops...

Re: i crashed...oops...

Re: i crashed...oops...

Re: Who's Crashed?

Re: Who's Crashed?

go to court

Scooter vs. Pickup Truck

The Scooter and The SUV

sadly day 2

le sigh . . .