Biggest box you've seen...

pocphil · Post by **pocphil** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:00 pm

Well, we've finally had someone take us up on installing a Givi E450 (45 Liter) topcase on a Buddy 125.

The customer is a firefighter and needs to carry serious amounts of gear to and from the firehouse.

Just wanted to show folks how it looks.

vitaminC · Post by **vitaminC** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:10 pm

Looks like a wheelie waiting to happen!

Post by **ericalm** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:27 pm

Can the problematic Buddy rack and mount handle the amount of weight that could be stuffed into such a case?

Aside from the weld problem, one member reported that the exterior panels to which the rack is mounted had cracked.

Did you do anything extra to reinforce this monster?

BlueMark · Post by **BlueMark** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:36 pm

ericalm wrote:Can the problematic Buddy rack and mount handle the amount of weight that could be stuffed into such a case?

The Buddy rack has been redesigned - the weld that used to break on the old rack doesn't even exist on the new one - it is much sturdier.

My question is whether this huge case is any use with a 10# weight limit, which nearly everyone exceeds.

I would think the real weight limit is determined by how sturdy the rack is attached to the scoot.

-Mark

Post by **ericalm** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:40 pm

BlueMark wrote:
ericalm wrote:Can the problematic Buddy rack and mount handle the amount of weight that could be stuffed into such a case?
The Buddy rack has been redesigned - the weld that used to break on the old rack doesn't even exist on the new one - it is much sturdier.

-Mark

Awesome! We should get pics of the new ones. Doesn't necessarily change the other problem, though this is the only instance I've heard of this happening, so maybe other factors contributed.

bwilms · Post by **bwilms** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:15 pm

That totally looks superimposed.

justscooten · Post by **justscooten** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:22 pm

can we say photoshop

Post by **ericalm** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:32 pm

bwilms wrote:That totally looks superimposed.

Oh, I think it is. OP just wanted to show how it will look. Which is gigantic.

BuddyRaton · Post by **BuddyRaton** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:20 pm

ericalm wrote:
bwilms wrote:That totally looks superimposed.
Oh, I think it is. OP just wanted to show how it will look. Which is gigantic.

Oh I think its real. Probably just a very wide angle lens very close. (10-22 f3.5?) I have an E350 and havent had any problems with rack or plastics. A ff helmet drops right in. I have carried almost all my photo gear to a rally. (2 camera bodies, strobe, 4 lenses, dump tank etc etc. tripod just wouldnt fit) and one time dinner for 6 including an apple pie. A lap top with all the accessories is no problem. At first I thought the E350 was going to be too big but I love it!

cccous · Post by **cccous** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:13 am

No it not photo shopped or just a wide angle lens.
I just saw it for my self it is big!

Eddy Merckx · Post by **Eddy Merckx** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:28 am

I think we should use the phrase "superimposed" or even photoimposed. or mayby even supershopped.....all sound much more impresive than photoshopped...........................or maybe not............

Post by **ericalm** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:05 am

Yeah, looking at it now, I don't think it's faked—the lighting is too consistent. The distortion can be caused by a lot of thing. No wide angle or filter needed—a lot of cell cams and even high-end consumer digitals have the problem, especially when shooting up close.

ryder1 · Post by **ryder1** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:35 am

I think the angle the photo is taken at causes the GIVI to look larger than what it is sitting on the backrack.

However, the 450 is a big case...anyone know the dimensions of the 450?

kmo2771 · Post by **kmo2771** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:15 am

CAPACITY45 LTR / 2 full face helmets, DIMENSIONS (wxdxh)555x425x325 mm, WEIGHT 3,1 Kg

louie · Post by **louie** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:02 pm

cccous wrote:No it not photo shopped or just a wide angle lens.
I just saw it for my self it is big!

ok supercow, i'm suppose to take you seriously?????

i guess these scooters can handle it. they've been hauling large loads a long time.

cccous · Post by **cccous** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:26 am

The name is "Brahma Man"!

Super Cow, is a entirely different super hero, although I sometimes get his mail.

Infact we all belong to the same Dairy Association, along with the Milk Man, Utter, and the Chocolate Cow. We fight of Peace, Justice and the Calcium Deficient.

-Mooo

pocphil · Post by **pocphil** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:51 pm

It isn't photoshopped, or shot with a wide angle lens - I am nowhere near that technically adept.

It really is that freakin' huge.

We've installed a LOT of Givi 35 liter cases with not a single failure (not even on the "dangerous" old rack).

I am of the opinion that HOW a case and rack are installed makes all the difference. The initial batch of Buddy racks were a bad fit at best and required way too much tweaking and bending to install correctly...this put the racks in a constant state of tension and before too long they snapped at their weakest weld.

We've always gone to the trouble of pre-bending our racks at the tubes themselves. This helps them line up to the mounting holes better and takes away any stress on the welds. It takes about 10 minutes more to install a rack this way, but we have not had ANY fail in the field.

The Givi mounting bracket is also superior in every way distributing the load in a much better manner.

Install the rack correctly - don't overtorque it and use loctite.
Install the case correctly - overtighten it and it will deform the mount whick will put stress on the rack - use loctite.
Don't overload the case, or the rack - yeah, we know 5kg is only 12 lbs. but don't go too much over that. If you must haul more stuff get a set of saddlebags, they distribute the load like a passenger and are safer anyway.

http://clevelandscooters.com/_wsn/page6.html

Scroll down and look at the Givi T405 - I have a set of them and swap them from bike to bike. 2 years of daily use and they still look great. Expandable to about the size of a cinder block each.

ryder1 · Post by **ryder1** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:43 pm

I have the Givi 370...I carry 13lbs...is that too much?

Also, I am going to order these saddlebags T405--what keeps them from sagging?

How much weight can each saddlebag carry?

ryder1 · Post by **ryder1** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:04 am

Givi 350 19"wide x 16.5"deep x 12"tall
Givi 370 16.3" deep x 18.9" wide x 12.7" tall.
Givi 450 The dimensions: 22" x 16.75" x 12.75"