Weirdo problem. Help?

Jackiemancini · Post by **Jackiemancini** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:54 pm

Hi,

So yesterday I was leaving work, and I walked out to my buddy. I started it while it was still on the center stand, to let it warm up a bit, and I was talking to a friend while putting on my helmet. Suddenly friend says "Why is your back wheel spinning like that?" and I realize that my back wheel is spinning like crazy.

I depress the brake and it stops, but when I let go of the brake it starts again.

After about 3 minutes of staring at it and not knowing what to do, the bike got a lot quieter, and the spinning stopped. I rode home normally. Thing is, I can't help but think that if I hadn't noticed that, I would have taken it off the center stand and it would have taken off down the street without me.

Anyone know why this would have happened? My friend suggested "auto-choke" and I just stared blankly.

I don't pretend to know very much about motors and all that.

Thanks!

Corsair · Post by **Corsair** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:58 pm

I pretty sure that's normal. Every Buddy I've seen does that when warming up. (unless I'm underestimating your meaning of "crazy") I actually use that as one of my guages to see when my Buddy's all warmed up: when the will stops spinning it's ready to ride

scullyfu · Post by **scullyfu** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:10 pm

you scooter engine will take a few minutes to warm up; for one thing, it needs to get the gear and motor oil running through it so it will run properly. don't be concerned.

you will know its warmed up when the engine stops being loud and takes on more of a purr. or, if you sitting on it at the time, you can also feel the difference when it idles down.

to avoid the scooter taking off without you, stradle the scooter and depress the brake while you roll it off the center stand.

Dibber · Post by **Dibber** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:17 pm

You must remember, the Buddy is an automatic transmission like set up. When your scoot is cold the engine runs a bit faster and just like when you twist the grip to go the engine speeds up and the back wheel starts to turn. There is nothing wrong with your scoot. But to be on the safe side you can always lock up the rear wheel when you slide your scoot off the center stand.

That's why you should always start you scooter while on the center stand, plus some people who have used their side stand only have actually gave their scoot a little extra gas for what ever reason and the scooter took off on them useally ending in a small crash.

louie · Post by **louie** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:31 pm

i rarely use the center stand and have not had a problem with the scooter taking off without me. the weight of the scooter keeps it in place while it warms up.

Jackiemancini · Post by **Jackiemancini** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:46 pm

Shows how observant I am, I guess.

Haha, thanks!

JokerJim · Post by **JokerJim** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:48 pm

Did you get the top case attached OK?

You got a hell-of-a-deal, after paying $16 to get it there.

Joker

Jackiemancini · Post by **Jackiemancini** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:05 pm

I have yet to be able to afford a back rack, but we fixed the lock, so as soon as I get a rack, it will be on there.

And yes, I realized how good of a deal I got after I saw your shipping label. You are awesome, much thanks.

Sharon · Post by **Sharon** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:35 am

I usually take my scoot off the center stand before starting. Is that a bad idea?

gt1000 · Post by **gt1000** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:28 am

Sharon wrote:I usually take my scoot off the center stand before starting. Is that a bad idea?

If you're seated on it while starting it doesn't really matter. Your weight and one hand on the brake while starting will take care of things. Sometimes people get into trouble if they're standing next to the scoot. Grab brake, hit the starter, let go of brake, watch bike scoot away. I've never actually seen this happen but I've heard about it happening to others.

Especially in cold weather, I like to gear up while my scoot warms up. So I always start it on the center stand. Even in colder weather, by the time I have my jacket, gloves and helmet on, the bike's choke has eased up and the idle is almost normal.

If you don't start you bike on the center stand just be alert when you're ready to release that brake lever.

Dooglas · Post by **Dooglas** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:39 am

Its enough of a problem that my Vino has an interlock so it will not start while on the side stand. (I know, Big Brother looking out for us - but I presume it means some folks have crunched their scoots or hurt themselves this way)

Post by **ericalm** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:09 am

Jackiemancini, if you fins that the rear tire continues to spin after warm up, hold the rear brake for a second until it stops, then release. If it starts spinning again, your idle is set too high. This is very easy to fix—just turning a screw.

scooterdoodler · Post by **scooterdoodler** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:15 am

Both of our 650 Burgmans do the same thing, and like yours, the rear wheel will eventually stop turning as the bike warms up the drivetrain. I just stop the freewheeling rotation with a jab of the rear brake lever as I push the bike off of the centerstand and then mount it 'motorcycle-style'

I almost always initially start the bike on the centerstand, as the Burgmans have a sidestand cutout...which is not at all a bad idea on an auto-tranny machine.

Watch THIS stupidity if you need to see the reason for a sidestand cutout..although it isn't clear to me if the bike is on the center or sidestand in the video. Regardless, the 'dad' is a complete idiot and shows nothing but empty-headed concern for his daughter's well-being. (I apologize if this has been shown here before)
http://www.break.com/index/little-girl- ... cycle.html

lou76 · Post by **lou76** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:24 am

Jackiemancini wrote:My friend suggested "auto-choke" and I just stared blankly.

yes, auto choke... the engine rpms drop after a little metal needle extends and blocks off the choke circuit in the carb... the choke circuit just lets more gas into the fuel/air mixture until the engine warms up...

scooterdoodler · Post by **scooterdoodler** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:21 am

lou76 wrote:
Jackiemancini wrote:My friend suggested "auto-choke" and I just stared blankly.
yes, auto choke... the engine rpms drop after a little metal needle extends and blocks off the choke circuit in the carb... the choke circuit just lets more gas into the fuel/air mixture until the engine warms up...

This is no-doubt true of the Buddy scooters, but our 650 Burgmans behave in almost the exact way....fast idle on a cold start-up, the rear wheel spins free while on the centerstand, then after a few moments the idle settles down to it's normal speed, and eventually the rear wheel will slow and stop spinning as the bike warms.

But the Burgman 650 is fuel-injected, no carbs.

lou76 · Post by **lou76** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:44 am

scooterdoodler wrote:But the Burgman 650 is fuel-injected, no carbs.

i don't know how it works with the injected burgs, but im sure that it is the same end result: more gas at startup to let the enging warm up. the auto-choke bystarter or whatever the hell it is called is a darkly enigmatic little invention... took one off an elite 80 and rewired it... it bothers me that it all comes down to a little glump of waxy stuff melting and pushing a little metal rod a teensy fraction of an inch...

scooterdoodler · Post by **scooterdoodler** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:46 pm

lou76 wrote:it bothers me that it all comes down to a little glump of waxy stuff melting and pushing a little metal rod a teensy fraction of an inch...

Seems almost......'medieval' in this age of electrogizmos doesn't it?

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