lane-splitting
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lane-splitting
i'm getting my Buddy next week. i've heard of lane-spliting to get to the front of the light but want to know if it is:
1.safe
2.legal
3.if 1&2 are workable than what's the best way?
thanks!
1.safe
2.legal
3.if 1&2 are workable than what's the best way?
thanks!
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NOT legal in AZ...found that out when Officer Martinez gave me a long lecture about safety in lieu of giving me a ticket (thanks occifer) and then looked up the laws in AZ.
I do know in many states it is legal but any accident (i.e.-someone changing lanes in front of you) is an automatic fault (yours). Haven't done alot of studying on this subject though since it is not legal here, but I am sure every state is different. I know some (CA for sure) require that the surrounding traffic is going below a certain speed and your speed is I believe no more than 15mph above surrounding traffic. (how this is measured, I don't know)
hope that helps and others have input on this as well.
I do know in many states it is legal but any accident (i.e.-someone changing lanes in front of you) is an automatic fault (yours). Haven't done alot of studying on this subject though since it is not legal here, but I am sure every state is different. I know some (CA for sure) require that the surrounding traffic is going below a certain speed and your speed is I believe no more than 15mph above surrounding traffic. (how this is measured, I don't know)
hope that helps and others have input on this as well.
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Here's a link to the AZ laws for Motorcycles:
http://home.ama-cycle.org/amaccess/laws ... p?state=AZ
They also have a listing for every other state. Not sure how up to date it is, but it should give a good enough idea. It'll also tell you if turnsignals are mandatory etc
As for lanesplitting, it's not particularly safe, and in AZ it is indeed illegal:
28-903. Operation of motorcycle on laned roadway; exceptions B. The operator of a motorcycle shall not overtake and pass in the same lane occupied by the vehicle being overtaken. C. A person shall not operate a motorcycle between the lanes of traffic or between adjacent rows of vehicles.
http://home.ama-cycle.org/amaccess/laws ... p?state=AZ
They also have a listing for every other state. Not sure how up to date it is, but it should give a good enough idea. It'll also tell you if turnsignals are mandatory etc
As for lanesplitting, it's not particularly safe, and in AZ it is indeed illegal:
28-903. Operation of motorcycle on laned roadway; exceptions B. The operator of a motorcycle shall not overtake and pass in the same lane occupied by the vehicle being overtaken. C. A person shall not operate a motorcycle between the lanes of traffic or between adjacent rows of vehicles.
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Sadly, for most US two-wheelers, lane-splitting is only legal (expected, even) in CA. It is a great time saver, and I would encourage you to speak with your legislators about legalizing it in your state.
Moving through a pack of stationary cars is very liberating!
And it is safe when done at the right time- i.e., when cars are barely moving. If the cars aren't moving, then they will not be changing lanes, so you can sail on by. It's becomes less-safe as the speed of the cars increases (increasing the chance unannounced lane changes). My comfort level is such that if the cars are moving more than 20mph I will not split, but there are some crazy folks that split regardless of speed.
Moving through a pack of stationary cars is very liberating!
And it is safe when done at the right time- i.e., when cars are barely moving. If the cars aren't moving, then they will not be changing lanes, so you can sail on by. It's becomes less-safe as the speed of the cars increases (increasing the chance unannounced lane changes). My comfort level is such that if the cars are moving more than 20mph I will not split, but there are some crazy folks that split regardless of speed.
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Yes, but be prepared to get a ticket.deserthealer wrote:I'm only interested in non-moving situations. Is this done regularly by 2-wheelers?
Also, in states other than CA drivers are even less likely to be on the lookout for lane splitters than they are here, which also makes it that much more dangerous.
I'm a fairly cautious splitter, doing it only at red lights or when traffic is at a standstill. Even then I've twice bumped my rearview mirror against that of a truck or SUV's. Fuh, lane hogs!
Many drivers here are actually considerate enough to pull over a bit to give me room. They seem somewhat more accomodating of a polite scooter rider (that's me!) than the sportbike guys who zip around and between cars anywhere there's room.
Proper lane splitting is even encouraged (to some degree) here as a way of alleviating traffic congestion.
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I lane split all the time. I consider it one of the benefits of riding a two wheeler. Most people will actually move to the other side of the lane to make room for you here in Southern California. We have lots of carpool lanes here that are pretty wide and have a gap between the fast lane and the carpool lane. I consider this the motorcycle lane. I still don't consider it safe, but niether is riding a two-wheeler in Southern California, and I'm going to keep doing both.
I've experienced a few people get very angry with me for doing it. I don't understand their anger. I'm not in their way and I haven't inconvenienced them in any way. I understand the don't cut in line theory. I always laugh at the people standing in line for southwest airlines an hour for the flight so they can arrive 8 feet ahead of everyone else. This mentality is futile in my opinion. Anyway... back to my story. I can usually talk my way out of a fight by explaining to them how tough they are for picking on a scrawny kid riding a scooter. Or if it gets bad, I can just zoom off.
I'm going to keep on keepin on.
I would only recommend it if you feel your scooter will be able to get out of it's own way at the head of the line. You will not make any friends cutting people off and then holding them up.
I've experienced a few people get very angry with me for doing it. I don't understand their anger. I'm not in their way and I haven't inconvenienced them in any way. I understand the don't cut in line theory. I always laugh at the people standing in line for southwest airlines an hour for the flight so they can arrive 8 feet ahead of everyone else. This mentality is futile in my opinion. Anyway... back to my story. I can usually talk my way out of a fight by explaining to them how tough they are for picking on a scrawny kid riding a scooter. Or if it gets bad, I can just zoom off.
I'm going to keep on keepin on.
I would only recommend it if you feel your scooter will be able to get out of it's own way at the head of the line. You will not make any friends cutting people off and then holding them up.
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After riding a scooter a while, you will learn you don’t want to be ahead of the cars at a red-light. (Scooters and many motorcycles do not have the weight to turn off the sensors)
This also goes with turning lanes, don’t ever pull into the lane and give it a lot of gas because you can always have that guy that forgot to turn and does it at the last min.
I admit im one of those "do what I say, don’t do what I do" kinda people but we are all adults here, so if you think its dangerous, then it is and unless your willing to take the responsibility then don’t do it.
This also goes with turning lanes, don’t ever pull into the lane and give it a lot of gas because you can always have that guy that forgot to turn and does it at the last min.
I admit im one of those "do what I say, don’t do what I do" kinda people but we are all adults here, so if you think its dangerous, then it is and unless your willing to take the responsibility then don’t do it.
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Another plus is that if you are sitting between two cars, it is improbable that someone chatting on their cellphone will rear-end you and then cry "I never saw them"!xkennx wrote:After riding a scooter a while, you will learn you don’t want to be ahead of the cars at a red-light. (Scooters and many motorcycles do not have the weight to turn off the sensors)
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