buddy,blur and rattler upgrades UPDATED

[Smellybumlove]

buddy 125 can go to 150cc, this is a bolt on kit with uprated cam $180

buddy 125 2v performance head with race cam $90 (must use race exhaust system)

I can get exhaust systems and they are cheap but im concearned about postage costs, show me a design and i will get you a price.

all parts are by RRGS, there are cheaper companys out there but these guys are regarded as the best quality in taiwan.

buddy 125/150 aftermarket suspension, ignore the posts with suspension below if you have a buddy as RRGS do a special one designed for your bike and its cheaper!.

design is the same as the first shock below and price is $140.

150 engine kits coming up shortly

UPDATE

ok it seems genuine screwed up when choosing the engine for the 150, you see there are 3 versions, a 2 valve 147cc, 2 valve 149cc and a 4 valve 149cc.

both the 149ccs are much more tunable, you can go 180cc with a bolt on kit and over 200cc if you do the bottom end.

which brings me to the bad news, the 147cc just isnt tunable, best you can do is 59.5mm on the piston which takes it to a modest 160.7cc.

so cc wise your kind of stuck, but you can upgrade to a 4v head with a 160cc kit, if this is of any interest i will pursue and get prices otherwise i will leave it be!.

[babblefish]

The Blur 150 is a 2V.
I've seen 185cc kits on the internet for the Blur or more accurately, for a GY6 engine, but it requires machine work on the crankcase to allow fitting of the larger cylinder.

[Smellybumlove]

hmm not what i heard, this is supposed to be a bolt on upgrade.

[Smellybumlove]

ok good news everybody i can get them and its just a bolt on upgrade.
this is from RRGS

buddy 125: full 180cc piston kit 58.5mm with race cam, bolt on and go $250 plus p&p

buddy & blur 150: full 200cc piston kit 62mm no cam, bolt on and go $235 plus p&p

ok thats the engine stuff, now suspension i'll go with the good stuff low, medium and high end:

RRGS air suspension, adjustable for ride height and rebound. fits any of the buddys/blurs/rattlers etc. but please state which bike its for. $150

colours vary, ask and i will try but most of these models are white springs with silver body.

RRGS air suspension, same as above with compression and a nice resevior. $190


again colours vary

finally the high end one.... this has adjustment for everything, i dont know much about it but usually you see it on the brembo kitted bikes...
price is $350

comes in one colour... money!

now there are many models in between the 2nd and 3rd one, but there are trivial differences between them.

front suspension another time as it involves more homework!.

[babblefish]

Thanks for all your efforts Smellybumlove.
I do have some concerns about the big bore kit for the Blur, though.
The stock bore for the Blur (according to the service manual) is 57mm with a stroke of 57.8mm which gives a displacement of 147.5cc. You're saying that the kit from your supplier is 62mm and gives a displacement of 200cc and does not require machining of the crankcase? That's an 35% increase in displacement without sacrificing cylinder wall strength. Can you please confirm this because either the 62mm cylinder wall is really thin or some type of magic is going on.
According to a couple of vendors from Taiwan, the largest displacement possible without machining is 59mm for a displacement of approximately 170cc. Anything above that will require opening up the cylinder bore in the crankcase. Even with that, a 63mm piston will yield a displacement of only 180cc; not even close to 200cc. All this is assuming no increase in stroke, with increased displacement coming solely from an increase in bore. I hope I'm wrong here because 200cc without having to disassemble the crankcase would be great. Also, does the kit come with a big valve head? Gaskets and seals? Misc hardware?

[Smellybumlove]

hmm this is what i was afraid of, the 125 kit i KNOW is right but the 150 as you say might not be.

i will find out today if the information is correct, it might be that its supplied with a stroker crank and i wasnt told (lost in translation!)

from what i know the 150 here has a smaller bore and longer stroke than the 125, the usa might just have a bored out 125.

[babblefish]

Well, again, according to the service manual, the 125 has a longer stroke than the Blur at 60mm with a 51.5mm bore. This leads to an interesting thought - swapping the crank from a 125 into the 150 while increasing the bore of the 150 to 63mm. Hummmmmmm.

It's almost 3:30 AM here so my brain is not exactly 100%. I'll have to do the math some other time to figure out the displacement....

[jfrost2]

The Buddy 125 kit is a direct bolt on? Is the part made directly for that engine? I'd like to see someone with a 180cc buddy!

[bikebuda]

i think you are wrong on the 125 kit

i know for a fact the 125 has a wrist pin of only 13mm

and the 150 has a wrist pin of 15mm

[Smellybumlove]

ok turns out the USA buddy is different then the taiwan bubu.

the 125 can only go to 150cc, also there is a performance head availible which can only be used with a performance exhaust.

the price for the bolt on 150 kit is $200 and the performance head is $80.

i need to know the stroke and bore of the 150 motors, this way i can confirm which of the 3 150s you have in your buddys and blurs.

[jrsjr]

ok turns out the USA buddy is different then the taiwan bubu.

the 125 can only go to 150cc, also there is a performance head availible which can only be used with a performance exhaust.

the price for the bolt on 150 kit is $200 and the performance head is $80.

What is the price of the performance exhaust? I assume that's not included in the kit, right? Is the performance head a 4 valve or what?

[babblefish]

i need to know the stroke and bore of the 150 motors, this way i can confirm which of the 3 150s you have in your buddys and blurs.

The answer to this is in my post, 6 posts up...

[ericalm]

ok turns out the USA buddy is different then the taiwan bubu.

the 125 can only go to 150cc, also there is a performance head availible which can only be used with a performance exhaust.

the price for the bolt on 150 kit is $200 and the performance head is $80.

Does this cast some doubt of the viability of the 210 kit?

[Smellybumlove]

no doesnt cast any doubt yet, worst case is a 180 kit for the 150 buddy.

the performance head is a 2 valve, the advantage of this is more torque and less money.

exhausts are everywhere, i cannot possibly list them so show me a design you would like and i will find it.

ok babblefish i missed that on your post, its the 147 motor, thank god because theres 2 149 versions!.

have more information for you in an hour or so

[BuddyLicious]

Smellybumlove,

Does your Taiwan source have any colored tires like these? Maybe some tires in orange,red,pink etc. for the Buddy. Just being silly.

Tim

[Smellybumlove]

exhausts. heres some examples.

a quick explanation for you 'westerners'

basically in taiwan you have a yearly test for your scooters, its illegal to have a race exhaust in taiwan but if it looks stock then its ok.
Which is why everybody has a stock looking exhaust but is obviously not as its loud!.

So most exhausts look...well kind of crap!.

I'll show you some examples of the stock ones and of course trick ones


this is a RRGS, great exhaust but looks kind of stock..



see how trick that is!?, the shield is optional.price is $250 though.


this is for a buddy but no ideas on price im afraid!


another stock looking one, has a removable baffle as well, price is cheap at $150 though.

[Smellybumlove]

Smellybumlove,

Does your Taiwan source have any colored tires like these? Maybe some tires in orange,red,pink etc. for the Buddy. Just being silly.

Tim

haha yes i have seen red ones, really you want some?

[jfrost2]

Some of those do look stock, but are alot nicer than what comes stock on the buddy already.

[illnoise]

colored scooter tires, dunno if they're the right size:

http://www.cycletires.com/Innova/scooter.html

Wait, isn't that the rear Blur size that we can't find anywhere? or was it the Blur front size that was weird? Orange tires would look totally stupid on a 06 Blur. And I'm all about stupid!

Bb.

[Smellybumlove]

blurs have 13'' wheels, it is a little odd.

on a side note i test rode a new 200 g-max today, god it was SLOW, i mean really slow and was really heavy but it handled like a dream and stopped good with the fake brembos!.

[jetboy]

While I'm digesting the information you are sharing here, I just want to pass along that I'm enjoying your postings a heck of a lot. They are like glimpses into some alternate universe!

-jetboy

[jfrost2]

blurs have 13'' wheels, it is a little odd.

on a side note i test rode a new 200 g-max today, god it was SLOW, i mean really slow and was really heavy but it handled like a dream and stopped good with the fake brembos!.

What do you mean fake brembos? If those brakes are not real brembos brand, how can I know everything else you offer is "real"

[babblefish]

While I'm digesting the information you are sharing here, I just want to pass along that I'm enjoying your postings a heck of a lot. They are like glimpses into some alternate universe!

-jetboy

I second what you're saying, but it's worst for me because I lived in that "other universe" for a while and can't get back there!
It's like living in a barren desert then visiting Hawaii then having to go back to the desert knowing there's more out there and not being able to "get there from here".

[babblefish]

blurs have 13'' wheels, it is a little odd.

on a side note i test rode a new 200 g-max today, god it was SLOW, i mean really slow and was really heavy but it handled like a dream and stopped good with the fake brembos!.

What do you mean fake brembos? If those brakes are not real brembos brand, how can I know everything else you offer is "real"

Smellybum posted pictures on a different thread of some brake calipers in which he shows Brembo copies and actual Brembos. I responded that one of the copies looked exactly like the calipers that come on the Blur. I think what SmellyBum was refering to is that the stock "Brembo copy" Blur calipers happen to work very well.

[Smellybumlove]

blurs have 13'' wheels, it is a little odd.

on a side note i test rode a new 200 g-max today, god it was SLOW, i mean really slow and was really heavy but it handled like a dream and stopped good with the fake brembos!.

What do you mean fake brembos? If those brakes are not real brembos brand, how can I know everything else you offer is "real"

the g-max and blur have brakes that look like brembos but are in fact not, that is what im refuring to.

the real brembos are obvious as they come with a large box with warranty cards and a hologram sticker on the back, aslo its pretty obvious as the paint quality and finish of the metal just isnt as good!

fake


real


hope that helps

[babblefish]

Hey! That real Brembo is only $195US and will bolt right onto my Blur without the included bracket.

BTW: That gold colored fake Brembo looks EXACTLY like the caliper on my Blur...hope it's a decent one!

[Smellybumlove]

well the price is actually LOWER than that, hes charging more than other sellers and i just used his pic as an example!

i keep knocking the knock offs (pun intended) but in all fairness they stop pretty damn good, better than the rattler thats for sure!.

did i mention the radial brake levers by RPM?

damn nice bit of kit, i have used 2 bikes with them on and i really want one!.
price is around $120-135 depending on colour.


wow i have posted LOADS of stuff but nobody is really interested in any of it, well you have seen what can be had so i wont post anymore unless asked to.
if you dont want to go through me (understandable this being the net and all!) i can point you in the dirrection of the shops in my area, they have card machines so i cant see there being problem other than the lack of english!.

[KABanshee]

I'm totally interested just have alot of family riding trips planned for the sand dunes in the next few months. I would be interested if the offer still stands the end of July.

[babblefish]

wow i have posted LOADS of stuff but nobody is really interested in any of it, well you have seen what can be had so i wont post anymore unless asked to.
if you dont want to go through me (understandable this being the net and all!) i can point you in the dirrection of the shops in my area, they have card machines so i cant see there being problem other than the lack of english!.

I for one appreciate your efforts, but I think the lack of a secure/convenient payment method is holding back a lot of folks. Also, you have to remember that most of the people reading these forums are either brand new scooter riders or lack the mechanical skills to do any type of mod...or both. And I also think that many are simply overwhelmed by the fact that there could be so much available and don't know where to start.
I wouldn't mind getting some parts, but that payment method issue is holding me back. Could you provide some information regarding direct contact with one or two dealers? Language is not a problem on my end.

[babblefish]

Here's my wish list:

1) Better front rotor and pads. Since my front caliper is already capable of doing stoppies, I think I'll just stick with it for now.

2) Kevlar belt (812-20-28, I think).

3) Racing clutch & clutch bell.

4) Teflon coated variator, 11 gram weights.

For items 3 & 4, a kit simular to this EBAY item would be great: 330234467614. It uses an over range torque converter for more top end.

5) An A9 cam.

6) Hi-Perf CDI unit with timing advance and no rev limiter.

Oh yeah, and a G-Max 250

[Smellybumlove]

wow i have posted LOADS of stuff but nobody is really interested in any of it, well you have seen what can be had so i wont post anymore unless asked to.
if you dont want to go through me (understandable this being the net and all!) i can point you in the dirrection of the shops in my area, they have card machines so i cant see there being problem other than the lack of english!.

I for one appreciate your efforts, but I think the lack of a secure/convenient payment method is holding back a lot of folks. Also, you have to remember that most of the people reading these forums are either brand new scooter riders or lack the mechanical skills to do any type of mod...or both. And I also think that many are simply overwhelmed by the fact that there could be so much available and don't know where to start.
I wouldn't mind getting some parts, but that payment method issue is holding me back. Could you provide some information regarding direct contact with one or two dealers? Language is not a problem on my end.

yeah RRGS in taichung 0422022277 not sure of the dialing code from your end though.

as for that kit on ebay, i dont believe thats right, if you have more top end you have less bottom end, you cant have one without taking away the other!.
you can get a similar kit for less, if you want one like mine you just need torque spring,clutch springs and racing variator and 8g rollers.

[jfrost2]

Are there any handle bar grips that will fit on the PGO bubu that you have? Any mufflers which dont look stock? Some mufflers I saw in another thread you made showed tons of mufflers on a wall hanging, they didnt look stock at all.

[Smellybumlove]

grips are everywhere and very cheap at about $10-$20 depending if they metal bits on them.

all the exhausts are usually for the more popular bikes here so will require modifying to fit on, i dont have a bubu/buddy to mock fit one

[voodoosix]

id love to get a set of the (real) Brembos .....if i can ever afford a Blur!

id love a resource for these types of products, see if any of the (reputable) shops there have a way to order via the internet.

[babblefish]

yeah RRGS in taichung 0422022277 not sure of the dialing code from your end though.

as for that kit on ebay, i dont believe thats right, if you have more top end you have less bottom end, you cant have one without taking away the other!.
you can get a similar kit for less, if you want one like mine you just need torque spring,clutch springs and racing variator and 8g rollers.

Yeah, I understand that, but I wanted more top end because my Blur tops out at about 65 mph. Everytime I get on the freeway, I feel like a catapillar in a rock slide.

[babblefish]

id love to get a set of the (real) Brembos .....if i can ever afford a Blur!

id love a resource for these types of products, see if any of the (reputable) shops there have a way to order via the internet.

I think if you got real Brembos', you'd be getting them just for the cool factor because the stock Blur front brake is strong enough to put you on your head at will.

[illnoise]

SBL:

I also really appreciate the info. I have a Blur 150 and I'm not interested in upgrading so long as it's running OK (I'm used to 60s Vespas, so the Blur is fast enough for me), but it's good to know that's all out there, especially if I ever end up needing a top-end replacement down the road or decide to tinker with it.

I think a lot of buddy owners are reluctant to tamper with their bikes while they're under warranty, in a couple years when more second- and third-hand Buddies are floating around cheap, there'll be a huge market for this stuff, and I'll bet you anything Scooterworks/Genuine/NCY will have it very well covered. : )

Speaking of which, are you familiar with NCY? How does their quality compare to RRGS and such? I'd never heard of NCY until Scooterworks started working with them, (I'd never heard of RRGS until this thread), but part of the selling point is that NCY is a big brand and very popular in Taiwan, and I'm just wondering if that's your experience, too.

Thanks again for all your research and work on this, this is one of the most interesting threads on MB in a long time, even if it doesn't apply to me so much.

And, also, I've sent much plenty of money to plenty of people around the world with weirder screen names than you, and I've never been disappointed, so thanks for the offer to help us out, don't take the lack of interest personally. If you do broker some deals, I hope you *do* mark them up a small bit to make it worth your while.

Bryan

[voodoosix]

I think if you got real Brembos', you'd be getting them just for the cool factor because the stock Blur front brake is strong enough to put you on your head at will.

ya, id be doing it for functional Bling! id love to see sport bike riders doing double takes when they see it.

[Smellybumlove]

SBL:

I also really appreciate the info. I have a Blur 150 and I'm not interested in upgrading so long as it's running OK (I'm used to 60s Vespas, so the Blur is fast enough for me), but it's good to know that's all out there, especially if I ever end up needing a top-end replacement down the road or decide to tinker with it.

I think a lot of buddy owners are reluctant to tamper with their bikes while they're under warranty, in a couple years when more second- and third-hand Buddies are floating around cheap, there'll be a huge market for this stuff, and I'll bet you anything Scooterworks/Genuine/NCY will have it very well covered. : )

Speaking of which, are you familiar with NCY? How does their quality compare to RRGS and such? I'd never heard of NCY until Scooterworks started working with them, (I'd never heard of RRGS until this thread), but part of the selling point is that NCY is a big brand and very popular in Taiwan, and I'm just wondering if that's your experience, too.

Thanks again for all your research and work on this, this is one of the most interesting threads on MB in a long time, even if it doesn't apply to me so much.

And, also, I've sent much plenty of money to plenty of people around the world with weirder screen names than you, and I've never been disappointed, so thanks for the offer to help us out, don't take the lack of interest personally. If you do broker some deals, I hope you *do* mark them up a small bit to make it worth your while.

Bryan

Hi bryan,

I didnt realise that NCY were exporting out of the country. Well they are a cheap brand to put it bluntly, usually do flash looking but cheap suspension for the old single cylinder geared bikes.

RRGS has only come to my attention these past weeks, i wish i knew more about them before hand as the quality is much higher than the other stores and products, the price is a little bit higher but if you see the tuned up scooters on the street and on the track they all use RRGS suspension,brakes and piston kits.

I really hope that a buddy owner goes the whole nine yards with modifing as i would love to see the finished product, most people in taiwan have a hatred of PGO as they export the good stuff so you rarely see a tuned one, i have been told i must be the only one with a tuned PMX in the country!.

Thanks for the kind words and sorry for the rather crude name, its a old xbox live name that stuck, im sure anybody whos played gears of war at some point has met me online, im kinda hard to forget when you see 'killed by smellybumlove' on the screen .

[rajron]

buddy 125 can go to 150cc, this is a bolt on kit with uprated cam $180

buddy 125 2v performance head with race cam $90 (must use race exhaust system)

Can you tell me/us a little more on these?

[babblefish]

I think if you got real Brembos', you'd be getting them just for the cool factor because the stock Blur front brake is strong enough to put you on your head at will.

ya, id be doing it for functional Bling! id love to see sport bike riders doing double takes when they see it.

The Blur already gets a lot of double takes due to it's looks, front/rear disk brakes and motorcycle style front forks. Most people are only familiar with vintage style scooters. I've watched people walk around my parked Blur several times just looking at it.

[babblefish]

ok it seems genuine screwed up when choosing the engine for the 150, you see there are 3 versions, a 2 valve 147cc, 2 valve 149cc and a 4 valve 149cc.

both the 149ccs are much more tunable, you can go 180cc with a bolt on kit and over 200cc if you do the bottom end.

which brings me to the bad news, the 147cc just isnt tunable, best you can do is 59.5mm on the piston which takes it to a modest 160.7cc.

so cc wise your kind of stuck, but you can upgrade to a 4v head with a 160cc kit, if this is of any interest i will pursue and get prices otherwise i will leave it be!.

So what makes the 147cc so "untunable"?
What are the differences that prevents installation of larger big bore kits?
Does this mean I can't install a hotter cam?
Can a 4v head be installed without the 160cc kit - which 4v head?

Since more powerful sports scoots aren't available here, I'm determined to modify mine even if I have to beat it with a die grinder.
I've done porting work on V8 engines so a little 150cc single should be no problem. That and the addition of a 30mm carburator and pipe might net another horse or two.

[Smellybumlove]

ok it seems genuine screwed up when choosing the engine for the 150, you see there are 3 versions, a 2 valve 147cc, 2 valve 149cc and a 4 valve 149cc.

both the 149ccs are much more tunable, you can go 180cc with a bolt on kit and over 200cc if you do the bottom end.

which brings me to the bad news, the 147cc just isnt tunable, best you can do is 59.5mm on the piston which takes it to a modest 160.7cc.

so cc wise your kind of stuck, but you can upgrade to a 4v head with a 160cc kit, if this is of any interest i will pursue and get prices otherwise i will leave it be!.

So what makes the 147cc so "untunable"?
What are the differences that prevents installation of larger big bore kits?
Does this mean I can't install a hotter cam?
Can a 4v head be installed without the 160cc kit - which 4v head?

Since more powerful sports scoots aren't available here, I'm determined to modify mine even if I have to beat it with a die grinder.
I've done porting work on V8 engines so a little 150cc single should be no problem. That and the addition of a 30mm carburator and pipe might net another horse or two.

haha you remind me of myself, i was told the very same thing for my pgo 106cc but i REFUSED to give up and had my wife translate what can and cant be done on a engine!. To be fair its probably the un-popularity of it not the tunability of the engine.

4V head is possible, and any cc that crank can take is possible (along with a replacment crank) when i referred to it only being able to go a few cc higher i meant that if you wanna go further machining work is required on the bottom end. Cams are always availible to any spec you should desire!.
As for which 4V head it would be a RRGS with big valves

200cc+ is easily possible on any 100cc+ gy6 engine, the only thing i can do is supply the parts, the installation would have to be done on your end and from what RRGS tells me you can lose and gain 2bhp depending on the installer.

Oh yeah dont forget you will need a bigger carb, a 30-32mm CV carb is the one to go for.

[babblefish]

Thanks for the answers Smellybum (I think that sounds better! ). Just curious, are you originally from England?

Anyway, yeah, I figured I'd have to do some machine work on the bottom end since all of the kits I've seen mention it. No one mentions changing the crank though - guess I'll make some inquiries. And I haven't decided whether to use a 4v head or just go with bigger valves.

One more favor - can you find out if the 147cc and 149cc engines use the same cams? Thanks!

[Smellybumlove]

Thanks for the answers Smellybum (I think that sounds better! ). Just curious, are you originally from England?

Anyway, yeah, I figured I'd have to do some machine work on the bottom end since all of the kits I've seen mention it. No one mentions changing the crank though - guess I'll make some inquiries. And I haven't decided whether to use a 4v head or just go with bigger valves.

One more favor - can you find out if the 147cc and 149cc engines use the same cams? Thanks!

does it matter, your gonna be getting a nice 4v head right?.
from what i know your better off with a new head (2 or 4 valve) then putting better cams on the old head.

i have no idea if the 147 or 149 use the same cams, i doubt i could find out without buying them both!.

and yeah im from ye olde england

[babblefish]

does it matter, your gonna be getting a nice 4v head right?.
from what i know your better off with a new head (2 or 4 valve) then putting better cams on the old head.

It wouldn't be any old head. It'd be ported, bigger valves installed, stiffer springs (for higher rpm capability) and cut for higher compression. Yeah, I'm an old hotrodder! But then, it's probably simpler and cheaper to just buy either a big valve or 4v head and modify the ports.

and yeah im from ye olde england

Thought so - we use a different term for one's rear end!:lol: