Forthcoming Performance parts...what do you want?

[killbilly]

Called Scooterworks this morning to ask about a performance pipe for the Blur220i. Really nice, helpful folks.

They're testing/looking at several options but don't have anything ready for market yet - apparently one prototype wasn't practical due to the need for some expensive tuning equipment.

Without saying anything directly, I got the impression that if the owners get a little more vocal on what they want, that gives Scooterworks the ammo they need to push for products.

That being said, here's what I'd be looking for:

1) Performance Exhaust/Intake kit - would love to have something that made the tone a little deeper and allowed the engine to breathe more freely. The stock pipe is decent, I guess, but I'd like something smaller, lighter and throatier. I'd be willing to pay up to about $300 for a pipe, up to $500 for a full kit if there was a decent performance increase.

2) I've seen competition clutch and variator kits for other scooters. I'd like to see an upgraded one for the Blur ss220i.

3) Would REALLY like a fender eliminator kit. I'm coming up with my own idea, and DaveLHunter has already done his, but it would be cool to have something with a small trunk, sort of like the sportbike kits they do from Competition Werkes.

4) A big-bore kit for the motor might be cool. Something drop-in without having to split the cases.

Those are the major pieces I'm looking for.

What say you guys? What would you like to see?

[davelhunter]

There is a web site: www.samuraiscoot.com that deals with tuning parts & big bore kits for the new Yamaha Zuma 125 scooter. The guy had done a lot of research and has that bike running amazing. If Genuine could make these same kind of kits for the Blur it would be great!

I would like the following:

- some type of ECU programming module for the EFI.
-Racing variator & clutch
-Gearing kit
-Bolt on larger throttlebody
-Big Bore Kit

From my research and the modding I did on my last blur I came to the conclusion that the stock pipe seems to provide the best performance with it's "twin pressurized design." I have heard from others who put on performance pipes and actually lost performance.

Here is a link directly from PGO that explains the exhaust pipe design:
http://english.pgo.com.tw/technology3.html

I'm not saying not to try a different pipe, I'm just saying that I think we have one of the best designed stock exhaust pipes on the market!

[killbilly]

There is a web site: www.samuraiscoot.com that deals with tuning parts & big bore kits for the new Yamaha Zuma 125 scooter. The guy had done a lot of research and has that bike running amazing. If Genuine could make these same kind of kits for the Blur it would be great!

Yeah, I've seen his stuff. I joined the Zuma forums because I was considering one before I bought the Blur. The kits he offers for the Zuma made it pretty compelling, but I went with the Blur because it would be less work to get roughly the same performance.

That being said, I see no reason why a couple of motivated suppliers couldn't make a tidy little business out of making performance parts for the Blur. It's a great base platform for some really impressive mods.

I would like the following:

- some type of ECU programming module for the EFI.
-Racing variator & clutch
-Gearing kit
-Bolt on larger throttlebody
-Big Bore Kit

A software-based ECU mod would be really excellent. Something where I could plug in my laptop and run software to change the map or whatever would be really cool. They have something like that for Triumph and Suzuki motorcycles, I think.

Would it make sense to have a larger throttle body without an intake and exhaust?

[illnoise]

It's hard times right now, with the market as it is and thousands of Stellas stuck at the border that should have been sold months ago, so sadly (even though Scooterworks and Genuine aren't technically the same company), I'd bet SWs is not investing a lot into developing new products at the moment.

NCY already makes a good amount of Blur150 stuff that we don't get yet, so if they bring anything over, it'd probably be something NCY already has (since they're partners).

http://ncy-motor.com.tw/english/product ... &ano=00051

There's your shopping list. I'm sure NCY is working on 220-specific stuff, but it's a new model so it might be a while.

And there are other companies making stuff for the taiwan market, you can find people selling stuff on Ebay, and sometimes contact them and ask them to track down stuff.

Tuning gets harder with fuel injection, I'd imagine any serious modifications would require a diagnostics computer to dial in, but I don't know much about how that works, to be honest.

When I reviewed the 220 for 2SB (before they sent it for testing) they gave me NCY fork stabilizers to try out. So that's proof they were looking at accessories well before they even announced the new 220 blur.

[killbilly]

It's hard times right now, with the market as it is and thousands of Stellas stuck at the border that should have been sold months ago, so sadly (even though Scooterworks and Genuine aren't technically the same company), I'd bet SWs is not investing a lot into developing new products at the moment.

They told me they'd been getting a number of calls about parts for the 220, and then they told me the story about the pipe.

What I suspect is that they know there is a need/want, but they don't know how big that market is right now - I guess it sort of depends on how many Blurs get sold. You figure your Blur buyers are going to be a) people upgrading from other scoots or b) ex-motorcycle riders who want something performance oriented that is still a scooter. Either way, it's a solid market to offer up to.

NCY already makes a good amount of Blur150 stuff that we don't get yet, so if they bring anything over, it'd probably be something NCY already has (since they're partners).

http://ncy-motor.com.tw/english/product ... &ano=00051

There's your shopping list. I'm sure NCY is working on 220-specific stuff, but it's a new model so it might be a while.

But is it really a new model? From what I understand, the Blur is sold over there as the PGO Gmax 220, right? Did the Blur come out the same time as the Gmax 220 since it's the same bike, or was it a later intro in the US?

Tuning gets harder with fuel injection, I'd imagine any serious modifications would require a diagnostics computer to dial in, but I don't know much about how that works, to be honest.

My understanding in the m/c and car world is that it's actually easier to do if the software has pre-loaded maps that have been pre-tested by the manufacturer - so, for example, Pipe A works with map programs 1 and 2, Pipe B works with maps 3 and 4, but if you have an intake then go with maps 5, 6 etc...

When I reviewed the 220 for 2SB (before they sent it for testing) they gave me NCY fork stabilizers to try out. So that's proof they were looking at accessories well before they even announced the new 220 blur.

Cool. I'll check those out. Thanks!

One other point....

If PGO/Genuine release parts through the dealer channel, then owners can purchase and install (or have installed) parts without violating their warranties. This is, to me, a huge thing.

[illnoise]

yes, you're right, the more pressure to make/import stuff the better, I'm just saying they might not have a ton of money to invest right now. This thread is a great idea, we can focus our efforts, ha!

And I'm happy to nag some folks too, if we come to a consensus.

the 220 is fairly new, it's been out since last summer (IIRC) in asia but new here. Obviously, the body is exactly the same so all body/frame parts should work (note there was a 250 a while back with a different body and a Kymco engine, but that never came here). I think the cases are generally the same too, so maybe some of the CVT upgrades would work

I dunno about the dealer channel thing, for instance, the BlackJack ships with a pipe that the customer has the option to install or not, that doesn't make it legal, though you may be right about the warranty, not sure how they handle that.

[killbilly]

yes, you're right, the more pressure to make/import stuff the better, I'm just saying they might not have a ton of money to invest right now. This thread is a great idea, we can focus our efforts, ha!

Hmm. You're on to my plan.

And I'm happy to nag some folks too, if we come to a consensus.

Wonder if this forum has a polling section. Nagging is good.

Because I really want a pipe for the thing, and a performance clutch/variator kit. Third on the list would be a big bore kit, definitely. Something that took it to 250-270cc would be awesome.

so maybe some of the CVT upgrades would work

Now THIS would be an excellent piece of information to have: knowing what parts are on the Blur which are the SAME as other models...that way, if there is a performance part for some other model, it should work on the Blur, right? That would be VERY useful information to have, not only for us, the owners, but for SW, too.

I dunno about the dealer channel thing, for instance, the BlackJack ships with a pipe that the customer has the option to install or not, that doesn't make it legal, though you may be right about the warranty, not sure how they handle that.

Genuine seems to be very big on protecting the integrity of their dealer channel - which is a very, very, very good thing in my opinion. As such, if they offer performance parts through the dealer channel, it should be reasonable that they either support the parts PURCHASED/APPROVED through them under warranty, or they EXPRESSLY INDICATE that they will NOT support the mod under warranty.

However, doing the former would DEFINITELY pull through a lot of business. That's one of the reasons I never mod my stuff while it's under warranty....don't want to lose the dealer support. That support channel's gotta work both ways.

[Mikie M.]

I agree. I talked with a Scooterworks tech a couple of weeks ago, and he said they were waiting for a go ahead to purchase some high-dollar software that would allow them to examine exhaust systems that would work within the parameters of the Blur's onboard chip. He said something should be showing up by this coming Spring.

[lipcrkr]

How can we be vocal in California for parts and upgrades if we can't even see the bike? What is the problem? Why is the biggest market shut out? Hasn't the bike already been approved for California?

[killbilly]

How can we be vocal in California for parts and upgrades if we can't even see the bike? What is the problem? Why is the biggest market shut out? Hasn't the bike already been approved for California?

Phone calls and emails, to start. Just buzz. Make sure dealers around your area know that you're an eager, qualified buyer. Tell them you have cash in hand and you are ready to buy one (if that's the truth. If not, don't waste their time.)

You're a dealer's dream at that point - a ready, real buyer with money, and all he has to do is deliver the scooter into your hands. If there are enough of you, they can bring pressure.

I imagine Genuine dealers in CA are already hitting their dealer reps pretty hard - I would be, if there was a new performance product out there. If anything, it would put a stop to guys bringing them in from out of state and price gouging people who are willing to pay a premium for the scooter.

[KS Power Nick]

Have no fear KS power is here.

We have a 220 blur engine here that we have tore apart and are working on upgrade parts for.

We have a Dr. pulley clutch setup found. Just waiting for it to hit the shores. We have Dr. Pulley slider weights instock for the blur.

We are working on a 3mm over bore piston as well. We have switched ours over to a carb setup to be able to tune easily. Until Genuine gets the software for the reflashes on the market.

We hope to have the engine on the dyno here in the next week and see what kind of power we can make with bolt ons.

[davelhunter]

Nick. I tired contacting you, but I can't find your web site any more? Did your web site change? Can you pm me with the phone # to your shop? I sold the old blur 150 that you guys did the big bore for (awesome job by the way!) and got the 220i. I am trying to get a j.costa variator for this bike and would be interested in talking to you about some other possible performance mods.