Rattler and Oil

Rattler2006 · Post by **Rattler2006** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:24 pm

Anyone have suggestions on 2 cycle oil for my rattler 50? Conventional, synthetic, one made specifically for scooters or????

Groovealufagus · Post by **Groovealufagus** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:42 pm

I use Motul 710. You can probably get it at your dealer.

nissanman · Post by **nissanman** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:57 pm

I use synthetic too. Just don't keep switching brands, pick one that's available to you and stick with it.

Hugo · Post by **Hugo** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:15 pm

Groovealufagus wrote:I use Motul 710. You can probably get it at your dealer.

Ditto

!!!

Frankie 2 Tone · Post by **Frankie 2 Tone** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:16 am

Groovealufagus wrote:I use Motul 710. You can probably get it at your dealer.

ME TOO!!!

beanoil · Post by **beanoil** » Sat May 02, 2009 5:16 am

There are as many opinions on two cycle oil as there are belly buttons. Fact is, a lot of oils are very good, and will do the job nicely. The advantage here is that you are constantly bringing in a fresh charge of oil, and it only has to do it's job for one crank revolution. My favorites are :Shell Advance Ultra 2T, from Australia. Very low wear rate on piston ring end gap, zero piston scuff, and very clean on the piston top. Hard to get in the states, some KTM dealers will have it, or mail order. Rock Oil Synthesis 2 Injector. Popular in the UK, available in the states from several outlets. Great oil, comparable to Shell. XAMAX from Precision Automotive Research. http://precisionautoresearch.com/ This is a Phillips66 base oil, with a few "special" additives by the good Dr. Redszus himself. Consultant for Porsche, and into kart racing. Probably the finest american made oil available. Any of these 3 will keep the engine clean and making power for as long as possible. I cannot speak for the more common brands available in motorcycle and scooter shops, except for Castrol. I have some experience with Castrol TTS. TTS is a good oil, but I found higher wear rates (read more frequent teardowns from loss of power) than with any of the other oils mentioned. TTS is a 20 weight oil, which, IMO is light for high RPM use. Just my opinion. The cheaper syn blend, Act-Evo is OK. Lucas Smokeless 2 cycle is a virtual clone of Act-Evo going by the MSDS sheets. Citgo Sea and Snow and Yamalube 2S are the same thing. A good semi-synthetic for everyday running, and available at Yamaha shops or O'Reilly automotive. The main purpose of two stroke oil is keeping the engine clean, minimizing piston scuff, and reducing ring wear. This keeps power high, and minimizes maintenance.

Major Redneck · Post by **Major Redneck** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:57 pm

Make sure the oil you choose is for injector oil, not premix.

I use Klotz KL-300 Motorcycle TechniPlate TC-2 in all my 2strokes. www.klotzlube.com i have a 50cc with 20,000 miles on a rebuild. Klotz burns clean, lubes well. dealer had used motul something in my Rattler, after running it out. After adding the klotz after 50 miles i had to change the plug cuz it had pitted with all the junk motul had built up in the cylinder. I would have to say i got a 10% improvement across the band when it comes to better gas milage, smothness of engine, less noise, and viberation.

i have tryed other oils royal purple, that motul, and a few others but not many. after brakeing down an engine that has used klotz and seeing the ones that used other oil's i was sold on klotz.

Like nissanman said its best to stick to what ever you choose to use. I choose Klotz.

Does anyone know if the color of Premix oil is always green or brown? iv asked around but no one really know. I do know you can premix injector oil but you can not use premix in an injector engine.

beanoil · Post by **beanoil** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:19 pm

Major Redneck wrote:Make sure the oil you choose is for injector oil, not premix.

Does anyone know if the color of Premix oil is always green or brown? iv asked around but no one really know. I do know you can premix injector oil but you can not use premix in an injector engine.

I have seen premix oils in every color, including light brown. The dyes are added to premix oils to tint the gas/oil mix and indicate presence in fuel. With most fuels today being clear, or very light amber, this works well. In years past, often you couldn't tell if there was oil in the fuel or not, due to green, red, and even blue colored fuels at the pump. If you have an oil that is light brown, (several Castrol versions come to mind) candle dyes from a craft store can be added to the mix with no ill effects. As far as the different types of oils, premix vs. injector, that line gets blurred when you start digging through the MSDS sheets, as several oils are the same, but marketed under different labels or bottling for specific apps. Your KL-300 is an example. It is marketed as an injector oil, but is suitable for pre-mix also. The other offerings from Klotz have the same basic components, but are listed as 50 weights, which nearly everyone considers to be too thick for an injector application. Take Mobil MX2T, also known as Mobil 1 2 stroke Racing Oil as another example. Mobil's "official" statement on this is that it should not be used as an injector oil. Yet, there are too many snowmobile, jetski, and scooter enthusiasts that do just that, with excellent results. And no reason not to either, it's a light 30 weight, has a good dose of kerosene in it for flow properties, and a superior additive pack. I have personally observed it's use for years in a Zuma. That scoot has well over 400 hours on the original piston/rings, and still shows factory spec compression at yearly checks. There are a few scooter enthusiasts I know that swear by Castrol A747, a bean/synthetic blend in their injector tanks. It's 50 weight, but still appears to protect well, and work just fine. I can't see it being used if it's cold out, but would give it a whirl if it was hot, just to see what happened. As stated before... pick an oil that you can get on a regular basis, and stick with it. Any of the majors will be good, just that some will keep your scoot together longer, and keep the power up at like new levels.

Major Redneck · Post by **Major Redneck** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:15 am

beanoil thank you for your post, few more questions. Ok take diselfuel, red is for farm/offroad. other color for highway use. I was wondering if there is a standard in oil that set aside color for a specfic oil. Such as green/brown for premix, red, purple for injector?

It was told to me in a way i understand it to be... that the premix oil is heavyer therefor does not vaperize/mix well when needed, sticks to the engine rather going through causing it to make more to stick. I told him i got the point... now what really happens is beyond me.