Trading the roughhouse, what would you get?

Turby3pots · Post by **Turby3pots** » Mon May 23, 2016 11:38 pm

Kymco like 200i?
Buddy 170?

Need more top speed, need more oomph off the line riding 2 up.

DeeDee · Post by **DeeDee** » Tue May 24, 2016 12:36 am

I've owned the Kymco Like 200i and currently have a Buddy 170i. I believe the Buddy is 5 times the scooter the Kymco Like is. The Like is made in China. The ergonomics of that scooter are horrible. I unloaded mine at 2,900 miles. It was leaking oil at the engine case seam, muffler guard had rattled off. It reminded me of the 1980 Escort station wagon my dad had when I was a kid. Horrible horrible scooter. Buddy 125 is a pretty awesome scooter. Very easy to work on and keep on the road.

luckyscroller788 · Post by **luckyscroller788** » Tue May 24, 2016 2:02 am

Hooligan?
That's what I am awaiting delivery of. After taking the MSF course, the Roughhouse really left me wanting more oomph.I was almost ready to pull the trigger on a 300 Vespa, but just couldn't justify the cost, so traded in the Roughie and am waiting for my 2016 Hooligan to arrive in a couple weeks.

R50Rider · Post by **R50Rider** » Tue May 24, 2016 2:03 am

I like the Buddy 125 but since the dealership that I bought my Roughhouse from just closed I'd lean more towards the new 2016 Yamaha Zuma 125 or SMax which I can get from a Yamaha dealer that is not that far from my home. Other Genuine dealers in my state are just too far away from me to conveniently do business with. The Zuma 125 engine has a good reliability record now since they solved the fuel system problems of the past and the SMax just seems like a well thought out machine. I think the Honda PCX has some great things going for it also but the main drawback is the labor intensive procedure to check and adjust the valves every 2500 miles. . .lotta body work to remove and reinstall. The Zuma and SMax or much easier to work on.

dasscooter · Post by **dasscooter** » Tue May 24, 2016 5:19 pm

If you like the Roughhouse, you'll like the Zuma.

DeeDee · Post by **DeeDee** » Tue May 24, 2016 10:17 pm

Yamaha's are great machines. The new re-designed Zuma 125 lost the dual bug headlights. It now looks like a baby Smax. Yamaha parts are cheaper than Honda, and they have a great dealer network.

Turby3pots · Post by **Turby3pots** » Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:17 am

$4k out the door on a 2015 model plus i got $1200 for my roughhouse on a private sale

dasscooter · Post by **dasscooter** » Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:20 pm

Nice, my neighbor has one. They are really fast

R50Rider · Post by **R50Rider** » Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:55 pm

Congrats on your new scooter!

I've been looking at the Zuma 125 for some time and was really impressed with the new upgrades they've done for 2016. They didn't say anything about the mirrors though. . .I'll have to check one out at the local dealership.

That being said the SMAX is a really nice ride at a reasonable price and will move you to where you have to go without getting into the $6K money commitment. Do you have enough room on it? Headlight bright enough at night? I've read power is not an issue. Are the valves screw and nut adjustable or shim type?

It would be great if you could post a review after you've put some miles on it and let us know it it's "as advertised".

I was going to get the Genuine Hooligan originally but after I weighed out what I really needed at the time I ended up buying a Roughhouse. The Roughhouse has performed "as advertised" for me and I can't complain. . .it's a good machine. I'm not sure if I would ever sell it. . .but the SMAX sure looks tempting.

Turby3pots · Post by **Turby3pots** » Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:22 pm

Yes in fact I'll do just that.. I'm a bit lost because the smax doesn't have any appreciable forums for discussion... so I guess I'll make the review here!

FromHereToThere · Post by **FromHereToThere** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:19 pm

Plenty of Yama forums. Nice ride. Totally jelly.

Whimscootie · Post by **Whimscootie** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:38 am

Turby3pots wrote:Yes in fact I'll do just that.. I'm a bit lost because the smax doesn't have any appreciable forums for discussion... so I guess I'll make the review here!

Head over to Adventure Rider under Battlescooter subforum.

Big ol' S Max thread running there.

luckyscroller788 · Post by **luckyscroller788** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:11 pm

HOLY HUGE PICTURE!!! Lifesized!

R50Rider · Post by **R50Rider** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:22 pm

On second thought I find myself leaning more towards a Honda PCX 150. Although the seat has issues and the valve adjustment process takes half a day (the first time until you get familiar with it every 2500 miles or so) it's a pretty good ride. There have been reports about dry bearing issues in the CVT/Clutch causing noises but I'm not sure if it's random or eventual. I'm keeping an eye on that though to see if it's a condition that persists. That being said I like the taller wheels and fuel economy and regular speedometer. The stuff you don't tend to watch frequently is still available digitally and that works for me. I like to see the needle point to MPH. . .I guess I'll never change. As I've mentioned before the dealer I bought my R50 from closed and the other dealers are just too far away for me to consider a Hooligan. I enjoy my R50 and it delivers as advertised but I find myself needing more out of a scooter for the kind of riding I do and traffic environment I travel in. I need a beefier suspension, DOT turn signals that I won't bang my knees into on tight turns, and better hill climbing/wind fighting ability. So it looks like Honda is going to win me as a future customer due to product and convenience of dealership locations. Also, I can get all the parts I need from one online source for the PCX and my other bikes and take advantage of free shipping on multiple orders. Would I get the taller windshield? Yes. . .but not the one Honda sells. Would I add a top box? No. . .saddlebags (soft luggage) will do nicely and the seat will close over the straps limiting their movement. Why the Honda and not the SMAX? The Honda is lighter and more economical and when I sat on one back in 2013 the seat wasn't an issue for me due to the way my riding triangle falls into place (shorter legs, longer torso). The intense body panel removal ritual to do the valves, the lower top end speed (which I don't need), and the ridge on the newer designed PCX seats are flaws I can live with. Nothing is perfect and for about $4k it's affordable. Just in case (for whatever reason, recall/malfunction) I do have to bring it to a dealer to get serviced I can be there in less than half an hour and not have to travel through congested traffic tie ups. That being said I would definitely get the Service Manual to do the work on my own I have tools for.