Modern Buddy

a few goodies i got for the Rattler,,, note the M on the bell,,, it is not the right bell for the Rattler you need the P... as well as front and rear Vee Rubber tires...

Malossi part number 5113591 DrPully HIT B161301-107P



i still have to fine tune the clutch...

Nice. I'm interested in how you like the Vee Rubber tires.

Sweet man. Keep us posted on the outcome.

ooooo the Hit clutch. Always wanted one of those. Let us know what ya think of it

Nice display you got there... that rats gonna FLYYYY!!!

nissanman wrote:ooooo the Hit clutch. Always wanted one of those. Let us know what ya think of it

I have one.

It is relatively expensive (mine was $250 USD delivered), highly tunable, & the "P" bell required modification to fit properly to get full shoe bite.

Worth it? In the end, not sure.

well big trouble in china town!!! after trying the first set of springs for the clutch and taking it for a test drive i hit a newly developed pothole caused by this extra cold winter here in NC at about 40mph... well i hurd and felt a clank noise and then i heard the leak from the cylinder head,,, yep both bolts that hold the pipe on broke off AGAIN!!!

yesterday i took the engine off,,, today i had the bolts retapped and got a prime pipe,,, i got a good deal on it... the prime pipe is about 10lbs lighter than the stock and 50 times louder... hopefuly this well keep the bolts from popping in two,,, this is the 2nd time this has happend... well keep ya updated... tomorrow i should get it all back together but now there calling for snow tonight...

Did the DP bell make full contact with the clutch shoes?

i was checking the mid run 25-35mph pickup when this happend i pushed it a few blocks home remember no pipe so i shut it down...

the clutch felt good much better than the stock,,, variator seemed noisyer than the Dr Pulley sliders i had in the stock variator,,, everything is running much smoother than with the stock,,, im just working on the spring part and finding the right fit for the power of the 110...

but now i have a pipe that i might have to do tuning on the carb and air again,,, well see once its back in the shape of a scooter...

after dropping the engine i have noticed the rear strut is all look,,, so who knows of a better one,,, as well as fork??? any hits there??? i wonder if the Rattler will ever see a larger jug kit??? 148cc would fit the Rattler to a tee... some in japan maybe??? tales of a 123cc or 132cc???

see i gotz this invite to run with a bigdog (Wilson) and his "Mod" buddy at Charlotte Motor Speedway,,, iv got this Rattler and iv got a TGB,,, i might can take him with the tgb but the rattler "NO WAY" not stock... give me gears give he jugs give me something... and no i dont want 22 headlights or some old rock star making on my Rattler... i would let Danica Patrick do whatever she wanted to with it though... Go Daddy!!!

Major Redneck wrote:i was checking the mid run 25-35mph pickup when this happend i pushed it a few blocks home remember no pipe so i shut it down...

the clutch felt good much better than the stock,,, variator seemed noisyer than the Dr Pulley sliders i had in the stock variator,,, everything is running much smoother than with the stock,,, im just working on the spring part and finding the right fit for the power of the 110...

but now i have a pipe that i might have to do tuning on the carb and air again,,, well see once its back in the shape of a scooter...

after dropping the engine i have noticed the rear strut is all look,,, so who knows of a better one,,, as well as fork??? any hits there??? i wonder if the Rattler will ever see a larger jug kit??? 148cc would fit the Rattler to a tee... some in japan maybe??? tales of a 123cc or 132cc???

see i gotz this invite to run with a bigdog (Wilson) and his "Mod" buddy at Charlotte Motor Speedway,,, iv got this Rattler and iv got a TGB,,, i might can take him with the tgb but the rattler "NO WAY" not stock... give me gears give he jugs give me something... and no i dont want 22 headlights or some old rock star making on my Rattler... i would let Danica Patrick do whatever she wanted to with it though... Go Daddy!!!

If you REALLY wanna go for it, I know where to get some big bore kits for the 110. I've seen a 132cc, a 148 and a 151. I've seen water cooled top ends too. You'll have to get them outa Taiwan if you want them though.

looking at the stock head and cawl for the air cooling its tight,,, 148 would be even bigger as well as more heat...

but to be honest i think the stock engine has the power to drive the light rattler faster than the gears are allowing... even down hill it only hits 63 tops and the rpms of the 110 are peeked persay...

also im spent out on scooters right now i just dished out over $600 just in parts for the Rattler...

but im looking...

i will go for it some day,,,148cc would be sweet,,, now keeping it from over heating (dont want to go liquid) and keeping the rest of the bike in working order would be a challange...

wow with a 148cc right pipe carb and intake i bet it would be close to 42hp when said and done... but what good is all that power if the tansmission is only going to let you do 63mph... dont need more rpm or hp need a way to use the close to 10hp the 110 has now... remember we well be on a closed track with no hills... 23 banks...

you tell me where to get this stuff. i gotta know. the big bores and LC kit. fess up before i flip out.

bigbropgo wrote:you tell me where to get this stuff. i gotta know. the big bores and LC kit. fess up before i flip out.

Ok, tell me what your bore and stroke are so I can make sure this kit ACTUALLY fits the Rat before I go posting links and getting myself in trouble

now that is talk i understand there is so much stuff out there that everyone is willing to sell you. i have sent quite a few emails out about products. everyone is a pro and tell me " yea sure it fits" but as i start to ask questions and look a little closer, i think they are quoting some cataloger sent to them in a dif language and they just want to make a sale. i'll see if i can find the info for you. i have it somewhere. the thing that worries me is tuning this motor to take flight and having the crank explode. if you want, pm me the link and i'll have a look. for some reason this has become a mini obsession. plus my work situation a changed a bit and suddenly i have a bit more time on my hands. thanks.

bigbropgo wrote:now that is talk i understand there is so much stuff out there that everyone is willing to sell you. i have sent quite a few emails out about products. everyone is a pro and tell me " yea sure it fits" but as i start to ask questions and look a little closer, i think they are quoting some cataloger sent to them in a dif language and they just want to make a sale. i'll see if i can find the info for you. i have it somewhere. the thing that worries me is tuning this motor to take flight and having the crank explode. if you want, pm me the link and i'll have a look. for some reason this has become a mini obsession. plus my work situation a changed a bit and suddenly i have a bit more time on my hands. thanks.

Heh, will do. I've got a PILE of "shouldfits" that I'll send ya. I just haven't posted them because I don't have a Rat to try them out on.... I've been working on a buncha mod parts for the Buddy 50's though, which I should be able to post as soon as they all show up and I can test them. I've got a Diamo thats got a China-built Minarelli Horizontal thats the same as the Buddy 50's engine. I've even got the top end from a Buddy 50 on it right now

i have a diamo sport deluxe 150. i have to admit i have spent to much time on totalruckus. every time i look at that scoot i think,"that would make a great swap motor". thanks for the links. i have prob posted to many what ifs already. but it has been fun digging this stuff up. i need to pull some stuff together and start the first MB build thread. (for this sub-forum anyway). thanks again.

bigbropgo wrote:i have a diamo sport deluxe 150. i have to admit i have spent to much time on totalruckus. every time i look at that scoot i think,"that would make a great swap motor". thanks for the links. i have prob posted to many what ifs already. but it has been fun digging this stuff up. i need to pull some stuff together and start the first MB build thread. (for this sub-forum anyway). thanks again.

My Diamo is one of the 20 or so models released as the 'retro'. Its basically a clone of a Honda Met. The previous owner ran it outa oil and killed the piston, so they gave it to me for free

Its my goal to help owners of ALL the Genuine lineup find hop-up parts for their bikes. Its proving hard on the ones I don't actually OWN though

i think you have done a great job in your hard work getting into the guts of some of the genuine lineup. hopefully the rat croud will get some breaks in the next year or so.


Major, sorry for the threadjack.

iv got it all back together,,, waiting on a gasket for the pipe... has exhaust leak at the head im affaid to wrench down on them small little M6 bolts that are used on the head... untill i get the gasket im at a stopping point...

i see few have the HIT clutch... for the ones that do,,, what are your spring weights your using for the clutch spring and the pillow spring???

even if i had the gasket today its too cold for me to really test ride it...

Major Redneck wrote:...i see few have the HIT clutch... for the ones that do,,, what are your spring weights your using for the clutch spring and the pillow spring???

Lightest springs (don't recall which color offhand) & no pillow springs, factory setting on the pillow cams.

Are you certain that the bell fully covers the clutch shoes?

yes the bell is like it should be,,, we had to pack up the first clutch (M) and ship it back and its tight but not rubbing,,, iv got to work the weekend and its going to be nice but ill try and get some test riding in...

B02S4 wrote:

Major Redneck wrote:...i see few have the HIT clutch... for the ones that do,,, what are your spring weights your using for the clutch spring and the pillow spring???

Lightest springs (don't recall which color offhand) & no pillow springs, factory setting on the pillow cams.

Are you certain that the bell fully covers the clutch shoes?

what degree pillows do you have??? i was sent 45 degree,,, is thier a way to change the degree??? i dont think by chainging spring stright is going to change degree of angle... i might be wrong...

have you tryed the clutch without the clutch springs and the pillow springs??? i was going too but without the clutch springs the pads just flapped around...

here is the Dr. Pulley Hit Clutch manuel for those that might add some help... http://www.unionmaterial.com/Instructio ... 1-mini.pdf

Major Redneck wrote: ...
what degree pillows do you have??? i was sent 45 degree,,, is thier a way to change the degree??? i dont think by chainging spring stright is going to change degree of angle... i might be wrong...

have you tryed the clutch without the clutch springs and the pillow springs??? i was going too but without the clutch springs the pads just flapped around...

I didn't change the default pillow angle & I also didn't measure it. Pillow springs are optional.

Clutch springs are required to keep the shoes from engaging too soon. The different spring weights control the speed when the shoes will make contact with the drum. The heavier spring weights will have the shoes engage at higher engine speeds.

On mine the clutch is fully engaged by 4000 RPM, probably closer to 3900.

SMOOTH!!!

iv got it dailed in now and its smooth from takeoff to stop... im using the 14kg clutch spring and the 8.5kg pillow spring...

no jurking on takeoff very responsive at all speeds,,, not noisy,,, no vibration as with the stock stuff...

now to get my moneys worth,,, tomorrow we taken a road trip into Charlotte to see the good people at southendcycleworks and get a new fuel filter...

Good for you. IIRC, mine has the blue 8.5 Kg clutch springs, so it probably locks sooner than yours. Way smoother than stock also.

B02S4 wrote:Way smoother than stock also.

almost fells like im driving a shaft drive...

ok got the VeeRubber tires mounted and painted up;;; upped the spring weights to the heaviest,,, takes off like your being shot out a gun...



theres a half mile hill right in front of Charlotte Motor Speedway and i opened it wide open... downhill i hit 72mph... might have gotten another mile or two but backed off...

Welcome to the 70MPH club...

And yer missin some CVT cover bolts

B02S4 wrote:Welcome to the 70MPH club...

And yer missin some CVT cover bolts

adjustments being made to clutch why bolts missing... yea i was shocked it hit the 70+...

front tire was like a basketball,,, dyna beads has not come in yet but wanted to take advantage of the wonderful sunny warm day we had here so i drove it into charlotte,,, its so smooth i think my tech's looking at dishing out the cash for his rattler to have a dr pulley Hit clutch,,, i gave him half a malossi variator without rollers and sleaves (long story)...

sweet speed is 50-54 does wonderful holds strong even on hills,,, still could use higher gears,,, we can only pray and wait or spend hundreds having some custom made,,, ill look into this in the weeks ahead...

also i noticed today at the 6000 mile mark in changing the tires the brake pads and shoes look great,,, i expected to see more wear on both (mostly rear) but looked great... but well replace with next tire change...

Vee Rubber,s first ride... like i said front tire was like a basket ball,,, speed was much higher than the stock Dura... even though i have a mini tire changer i took it to a young man whom just opened his shop up to help him out at the tune of $55 to mount both tires... yes to high in my book but what the hell,,, it was worth $50 just to have him get that small 12" tire on that rim,,, it would have been a pain in the ass with the mini tire change if i would have been able to do it at all... im just going to play with the spring load in the clutch a little more till the Dyna Beads get in...

Major Redneck wrote:... like i said front tire was like a basket ball,,, speed was much higher than the stock Dura...

Why not just get it balanced?

B02S4 wrote:

Major Redneck wrote:... like i said front tire was like a basket ball,,, speed was much higher than the stock Dura...

Why not just get it balanced?

waiting on the Dyna Beads to get in,,, this weeks sometime,,, he can mail them too me we got rain the next few days... dont know if the Dyna Beads well work but that front tire well give it the test for sure...

Major Redneck wrote:... like i said front tire was like a basket ball,,, speed was much higher than the stock Dura...

Dynabead feedback that I am aware of has not been good, but I have no personal experience with that product.

Yeah, I'm a big fan of the Vee's after I installed them this last tire change. Wore it out at about 8000 miles, got a new one on the way.

So you think that HIT clutch made that big of a difference? I'll have to check that one out after I get this head swap dialed in

went ahead and bought a motorcycle tire balancing tool and balanced the front tire... the shaft that came with the tool was just a little too large... so all i did was move the backet that holds the other side of the shaft and used the bolt that mounts the tire... 2 1/4 oz out of balance... i see its clearing up outside too,,, TEST RIDE!!!

oh well new tires cocky rider and wet roads dont go together,,, maybe test ride tomorrow weather allowing...

as for any kits over 123cc that fit the rattler? there aren't any that will bolt on without major modifications. the LC kit? does not exist.....
been to Taiwan personally....

my opinion for the malossi variator???? very nice.
my opinion of Dr. pulley? piece of crap.
but take no offense. this is just MY opinion...
know a guy who's clutch and bell blew right out of the case when not even at top speed.

just curious...how much did the clutch and bell cost? also what kind of machining was needed for this bell to fit?

if i got with a larger head is the stock fan srought going to fix over the head??? the stock one is tight on the 106cc... do they make sroughts that work with the larger head??? or will i just have to mod the stock one in order for it to work??? i would like to keep it aircool...

The 123 BBK that Tumon-Ninja referenced uses the same cylinder barrel but with a larger bore. The change is on the inside, not the outside. Fan shroud will fit same as stock.

close to 500 miles and iv tried each spring configuration twice to see which one works best... i went with hard clutch spring and mid pillow spring... i wish the degree was adjustable but its not this Dr. Pulley clutch has a 45 and i think a 35 degree would work better dont know not going to buy another clutch just to find out... i guess you could say im pleased with the way the clutch works and everyone should get the Malossi variator its worth the bucks... Dr. Pulley clutch all i have to judge it by is the stock and yes it blows it away... would like to try another adjustable clutch maybe other than Dr. Pulley HiT....

The 161301 Clutch is a 50 deg setup, or at least the one they sent me is.

DP HiT factory setting on mine was represented in the instructions as a 45 degree default. That said, I didn't measure it or change it.

I think I have a few extra sets of hex-head stainless bolts for the CVT covers that I will sell to members cheap if you want 'em.

nissanman wrote:The 161301 Clutch is a 50 deg setup, or at least the one they sent me is.

i understand the clutch and pillow spring weight and and how it effects the opperation but just what happens with the deg set up??? smaller degree would do??? larger degree???

I honestly don't know yet. I guess you need the right angle for the size of the bell too.

Finally

Nissanman, does the drum fully cover the shoes?

Yes it does, it is a bit skinnier than stock (check my comments in the "for sale" thread)

I'd say it's roughly the same contact area because it's longer and skinnier than the stock clutch shoes.