Arreche 821/3 Carb for Rattler 110

B02S4 · Post by **B02S4** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:46 pm

This is the one that fits the Rattler 110. I just found out that Provo plans to do a special order with a supplier tomorrow. I have no interest in Provo other than being a satisfied customer. If you are interested now is a good time to contact them for details!

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Major Redneck · Post by **Major Redneck** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:34 pm

intake???

B02S4 · Post by **B02S4** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:24 am

I'm not sure what you're asking, but this carb is 21mm & is a bolt on fit for the OEM Rat intake manifold.

Major Redneck · Post by **Major Redneck** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:47 am

that was half the question i guess... but is not the stock intake smaller than 21mm??? i forgot... and im sure if you found a working carb if they had a intake they would have offered... does the carb have a manual choke???

B02S4 · Post by **B02S4** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:47 am

Th inner diameter of the stock intake manifold is 20mm, what's your point?

Major Redneck · Post by **Major Redneck** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:47 am

manual choke???

Ray Knobs · Post by **Ray Knobs** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:37 pm

I would buy one just for a manual choke, damn electronic one has never worked right for me.

What is the benefit of putting a 21mm carb on a 20mm hole?

B02S4 · Post by **B02S4** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:37 pm

Because it is bigger than the dinky carb that the 110 came with (which isn't really 19mm, & ought to be on a 49cc motor) & will improve the flow substantially over the stock carb, even with the stock 20mm intake.

Going any larger than a 21mm carb does not make sense with a stock intake manifold as a general rule, but the stock carb (which looks functionally more like a 16mm at the smallest point) simply ain't big enough for a 106.2 cc motor, IMO.

Keys · Post by **Keys** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:48 pm

I'm with you on that, BOS24...is this carb designed to be used with the oil injection system, or do you need to pre-mix? Next question...where do I find said carburetor?

--Keys

B02S4 · Post by **B02S4** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:02 pm

Keys, look up ^^^

The oil injection plumbs in after the carb, there is no oil line to the carb.

No need to premix.

Ray Knobs · Post by **Ray Knobs** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:21 pm

B02S4 wrote:Because it is bigger than the dinky carb that the 110 came with (which isn't really 19mm, & ought to be on a 49cc motor) & will improve the flow substantially over the stock carb, even with the stock 20mm intake.

Going any larger than a 21mm carb does not make sense with a stock intake manifold as a general rule, but the stock carb (which looks functionally more like a 16mm at the smallest point) simply ain't big enough for a 106.2 cc motor, IMO.

very interesting... I assume you have one coming to try out?

Ray Knobs · Post by **Ray Knobs** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:33 pm

Keys wrote:I'm with you on that, BOS24...is this carb designed to be used with the oil injection system, or do you need to pre-mix? Next question...where do I find said carburetor?

--Keys

Diámetro del difusor de 21 mm. Pletina de amarre de 42 mm entre agujeros. Preparado para estárter eléctrico original (Ø20mm). Sirve el cable de acelerador original. Adaptador filtro Ø 35 mm. Incluido engrase separado similar al del carburador origina

bigbropgo · Post by **bigbropgo** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:04 pm

I just want to throw this out there. I am really considering this and a sincere thanks for the heads up. But for the sake of argument, if a subframe could be fabricated to change or eliminate the crossmember bolt, and the intake now could be run straight. What is the ideal length and bore? Are you pretty much just trying to match the outlet of the carb ? And anything over stock length is a waste? I'm just brainstorming so sorry to get of topic. With the stupid intake of the rattler if this thing bolts on right, its prob the way to go. Or scootertuners idea of hacking the intake of and using rubber hose and a clamp. I just can't wrap my head around the idea of just rigging crap together.

B02S4 · Post by **B02S4** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:03 pm

Ray Knobs wrote: very interesting... I assume you have one coming to try out?

Indeed!

B02S4 · Post by **B02S4** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:10 pm

bigbropgo wrote:...With the stupid intake of the rattler if this thing bolts on right, its prob the way to go. Or scootertuners idea of hacking the intake of and using rubber hose and a clamp...

Yes, unless you custom fab an intake manifold or relocate the darn pivot.

I don't think the "chop the flange & run hi-pressure silicone hose" trick will really work with the OEM intake manifold, given the oil line plumbing.

Basically we need to run a carb that is close in size to the intake manifold, or run an intake manifold that is ideally matched to the carb.

Go too small on the carb/intake & you kill the top end. Go too large on the carb/intake & you kill the bottom end. Get it just right and you are good to go.

I think a 21mm carb (a true 21mm bore) is going to be pretty close to perfect on a 106.2 motor.

B02S4 · Post by **B02S4** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:12 pm

I spoke to Garrett at PS today, & he's going to put the order in tomorrow. If any procrastenators want in, now is the time. The 821/3's are special order only & are very rare stateside.

Ray Knobs · Post by **Ray Knobs** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:39 am

How much??

bigbropgo · Post by **bigbropgo** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:46 am

Ray Knobs wrote:How much??

I forgot to ask also.

nissanman · Post by **nissanman** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:02 am

How much is a good thing to know.

(I'm still waiting on a few prices myself for that other part in a different thread

depending on order method.)

B02S4 · Post by **B02S4** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:21 am

I suggest that you contact PS directly for pricing as I don't speak for them.

Major Redneck · Post by **Major Redneck** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:09 am

great find indeed,,, even with the stock intake i bet this carb well improve engine opperation...

we are looking at making an adapter for the intake or braket to raise the bolt,,, tech want to try adapter i want to move bolt... we well try adapter first being i think it would be easyer... we are also going to have the rear gears taken out and taken to someone that might be able to make a higher ratio... we might have the gears out as soon as friday...

iv done this before with a 1928 i had to make a carb for and that was to use "wood" to make an adapter for the carb i had to use... it worked wonderful and is still on the auto today... hard wood works best... sand and bath in oil... even if its just used as a templet to make another one... we well look into this friday as well...

if the bolt was not the problem,,, just what would be the idle intake and carb setup for the rattler???

B02S4 · Post by **B02S4** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:39 pm

This is not a new find, Tumon-Ninja previously recommended Arreche - as the only known off the shelf bolt-on...

laxer · Post by **laxer** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:48 pm

Did anyone end up getting the 21mm Arreche? (I know most of the big boys have moved on to the intake and a 26mm). If you did get the 21, did it make a noticeable difference? Any comments about this are greatly appreciated.

guam_rattler · Post by **guam_rattler** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:35 pm

laxer wrote:Did anyone end up getting the 21mm Arreche? (I know most of the big boys have moved on to the intake and a 26mm). If you did get the 21, did it make a noticeable difference? Any comments about this are greatly appreciated.

theres two guys here in guam that have it, haven't rode their bikes but just following them the bikes are more responsive.....i think this carb is worth it, if your not going to race ur ratt, but want more even balance and flow for the ratt....

and its less then $150 to get it vs. getting the NCY intake and a 26mm carb.

what i would do

B02S4 · Post by **B02S4** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:40 pm

laxer wrote:Did anyone end up getting the 21mm Arreche? (I know most of the big boys have moved on to the intake and a 26mm). If you did get the 21, did it make a noticeable difference? Any comments about this are greatly appreciated.

Still waiting for mine to arrive. More to follow as available.