Acceleration rates?

[shacker]

I've looked all over the web and on these forums but can't find a reference showing how quickly the various Buddies reach 0-60. Can anyone point to a guide or some data? Thanks.

[jijifer]

it's really going to depend on all sorts of factors like rider weight, scooter condition (broken in? well maintained? currently maintained?), road condition.

I'm kitted to a 161cc and get there within a couple hundred yards, maybe even just 100yds - it's a matter of seconds and I think less than 10. I'm super fast to my max.

I'm sure that's not as scientific as you were hoping. I'll have an open road Christmas morning. I'll count it off. one one thousand two one thousand etc. etc.

[shacker]

In my case it's a stock Pamplona 150 with 1500 miles on it. I guess I could take it on the highway to do an informal test, but wife doesn't want me doing that

[Kaos]

Like Jijifer said, definately less than 10 seconds, I'd say more like 5-6 if I'm at full throttle. But to be honest I've never really timed it. I'll do so tomorrow if I remember.... Not that I'd be anything close to what the stock bike'll do.

[KABarash]

Quick enough......

Really, I couldn't care less, I know I can out accerelate my son's Jeep and my friend's Mini. (when they've followed me somewhere)

[ericalm]

Jijifer is right on the money.

These small-engined scooters are actually very sensitive to all sorts of environmental changes and other variables that will affect acceleration. Results will usually fall within a certain range, though they'll be fairly distributed.

Even saying "under 10 seconds" assumes a flat, evenly paved surface, no headwind, etc. etc. When riding in the real world, there are conditions not all that rare) when the scoot may never hit 60mph.

Then there's the fact that the speedometers aren't entirely accurate and that the degree of inaccuracy can vary…

[Lostmycage]

Then there's the fact that the speedometers aren't entirely accurate and that the degree of inaccuracy can vary…

Also inaccurate... internet based claims, although not always known for being optimistic like our speedometers, are often "a little off".

[shacker]

Thanks for responses all. To be clear, the only reason I'm looking for this info is because when I told a friend I could beat any car off the stop light without even trying, he didn't believe me. So I was looking for a little data to back it up.

It's not like I'm trying to beat cars off the line, and frankly I don't care that much either. I just go when the light turns green and am often amazed to see I'm half a block away before the cars are even starting to get going. Not that I would expect the same results "against" a muscle car that was actually trying.

[Lostmycage]

You're talking about 0-20 times, not 0-60 times. It's often illegal to do 0-60 (which isn't really an everyday applicable number). Most cars aren't trying to race. In addition to that, they have gears that they have to go to. The Buddy revs to it's powerband (or close to it) and uses that to continue it's acceleration while staying in it's powerband. Cars have to shift out of their bands and that disrupts acceleration.

0-60 on a stock Buddy is pretty poor. 0-20... Most cars on the road would be hard pressed to beat the Buddy here.

Make no mistake, the Buddy is a city mannered vehicle. What it can't do for touring, it can make up for in spades around town.

Take that to your friend.

[TVB]

It's not like I'm trying to beat cars off the line, and frankly I don't care that much either. I just go when the light turns green and am often amazed to see I'm half a block away before the cars are even starting to get going. Not that I would expect the same results "against" a muscle car that was actually trying.

That's probably as much a comparison of the operator as the vehicle. I've noticed the same thing in the rear view mirror of my car, and I know it isn't because my li'l Hyundai Accent has a powerhouse under the hood. Most people driving automobiles are slow-thinking. They aren't really paying their full attention to what they're doing, and by the time they notice that the light has changed, a scooterist (or an alert cager) could get a huge lead on them. There are exceptions, of course (aggressive types who keep inching forward every 10 seconds during a red light, or the chronically tardy who are always trying to make up for being 3 minutes late), but the reason most of them get beat by a well-tuned scooter is because the scooterist is paying attention at all times, and they aren't.

[michelle_7728]

I've had two aggressive cars keep up with me off the line, but they are by far in the minority.

[Anachronism]

As much as I like the performance of my scooters, I don't think claims of being able to holeshot "any" car is based in reality.

As many people have pointed out, most drivers are not trying to beat you off the line. Sure, you can outrun themk whn you twist the throttle to the stop when the light goes green and they feather it to 1/4 throttle.

Considering that your average sedan these days has 250+ horsepower, power to weight is overwhelmingly in favor of the car even when looking at non-sport models.

Consider a 15 horsepower scooter weighing 350 lbs (with rider).

Scooter hp to weight- 15/350= .0428

3300 lb sedan with 250 hp engine- 250/3300=.075

That's a BIG difference.

[gr8dog]

Here is my comparison.

Buddy with me and gear weighs in at around 425 lb (conservative).
Buddy horsepower is around 10 (generous).
That results in about 42.5 lb per HP.

My car is a 1996 Maxima SE. Car and I together weigh close to 3500 lb.
Car is rated at 190 horsepower.
That results in 18.4 lb per HP.

Even though Buddy is quick the car does accelerate significantly faster.
Up to 30 they are close but the car is a bit quicker. After that buddy falls behind very quickly.

I do always accelerate faster than other vehicles from stop lights. That's because people would have to hit the gas hard to keep up and most are not willing to do that.

My Buddy is all stock. A modded Buddy will have very different results.

[rajron]

With my Buddy I seem to out accelerate everyone across the street lights – it is a slow vehicle.
With my GTS I seem to be about equal with all the cars around me across the lights – it is OK in speed, but, still much faster than my Buddy, but, slower than most modern cars.
With my cage I am slower than everyone across the lights – it is a very quick souped up coupe.
Go figure.

[Kaos]

With my Buddy I seem to out accelerate everyone across the street lights – it is a slow vehicle.
With my GTS I seem to be about equal with all the cars around me across the lights – it is OK in speed, but, still much faster than my Buddy, but, slower than most modern cars.
With my cage I am slower than everyone across the lights – it is a very quick souped up coupe.
Go figure.

I'm quicker off the line no matter what I'm on... My Buddy, My wife's Kia Optima, My 1970 Plymouth with the 550HP bigblock.... I'm always first off the line

[jasondavis48108]

My scooter will do 0 to 60 in... never, but Its much faster than any of my bicycles

[TVB]

My scooter will do 0 to 60 in... never, but Its much faster than any of my bicycles