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So I was cooking lunch,and happened to glance out the back window.

There I noticed my cycleshell was ripped open, and my scooter stolen.

There was a Xena disk alarm lock on the front tire, and there was no battery in it. There was also absolutely no way anyone could have known it was back there, except for my neighbors (A half dozen homes in view).

I am so pissed off right now.
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Man, that blows. Hope the cops turn up something.
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I have more hope for my dealer, the only genuine dealer in the area, where it might be brought to for maintenance.
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I'm so sorry to hear this Ed. What a'holes. Are there any clues at all? Foot prints in the snow? Anything?
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No snow left there. Just mud surrounding it, and only a few feet to pavement. But apparently it was taken a couple days ago anyway.

The only clue would be that it was in a private location, so only neighbors or people visiting them would have known it was there.
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man I am so sorry to hear that. I can't believe it, wow, I hope that it turns up. Did you have theft insurance?
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Unfortunately there's also the possibility that someone had scouted the neighborhood, prowling for things that could be stolen, and came across it that way. So it wouldn't necessarily be someone (like your neighbors) who saw it there by chance.
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Sorry to hear!

You should also post it in the scoot.net stolen scooter registry.

You may want to try alerting other 2-wheel dealers (thief may not take it to a Genuine dealer) as well as area scooter clubs.
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Oh man, that absolutely blows. Very sorry for that, and hope that it gets better soon. It sounds like a pro job, but I'd check the neighborhood anyway.

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Well, the police agreed that it would have to have been someone who saw it from a nearby property, not just randomly driving down the road.

The Progressive insurance claim rep said she is actually planning on knocking on neighbors doors to ask if anyone saw anything. Far safer for someone from the insurance company to do that than me, being the resident here.

I did post it to scoot.net, but their form doesn't allow you to select any year over 2010. It clearly hasn't been updated for awhile.

I did call one local scooter dealer and gave them the info. The larger motorcycle dealers wouldn't answer the phone.

I really doubt anyone who would actually steal a scooter would join a scooter club. It takes a certain type to want to join those. And since it was fully registered and plated, if someone buys it from the thief, it will be found, because they will have to register it to drive it in this state.

I am checking craigslist often, of course.

*sigh*

The Massachusetts law making a 150cc bike have to be fully registered and with a plate is actually the only thing that gives me any hope.
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Sorry to hear it. I hope they catch the crooks and get your scoot back for you!
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123's and 150's look no different then 50 cc bikes. If someone including cops do not know what they are looking for and there is no tag you may have a police car right behind a 150cc scooter that is masquerading as 50 cc scooter and they will not even look at at twice
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ed85379 wrote:Well, the police agreed that it would have to have been someone who saw it from a nearby property, not just randomly driving down the road.
I hate to break it to the police but the people who do this will walk through random neighborhoods scouting for shit to steal. They don't just drive around looking for the obvious stuff.

I had a bike stolen by a guy in Utah. He drove up here for the weekend and made off with 20 bikes from here to slc in an enclosed trailer
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ed85379 wrote:I really doubt anyone who would actually steal a scooter would join a scooter club. It takes a certain type to want to join those. And since it was fully registered and plated, if someone buys it from the thief, it will be found, because they will have to register it to drive it in this state
Not that they'd join a club—sometimes people are able to keep an eye out and spot stolen scoots with identifiers (decals, whatever), suspicious riders, abandoned scooters, etc. This has actually happened a couple times I know of, so couldn't hurt!
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ed85379 wrote:Well, the police agreed that it would have to have been someone who saw it from a nearby property, not just randomly driving down the road.
I hate to break it to the police but the people who do this will walk through random neighborhoods scouting for shit to steal. They don't just drive around looking for the obvious stuff.
I can confirm this happens. Someone once "broke into" my house through an open window that was only visible if you walked between my house and my neighbor's fence. (Not even the next-door neighbor can see it; the view seriously sucks.) Somebody went around between and behind houses, looking for things he might be able to steal. No reason to suspect a neighbor over someone from anywhere else. Security-by-obscurity helps. So does a good lock, and so does an alarm. But unfortunately, none of them (or even all of them) are 100% effective.
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sorry about that Ed, I hope you get something good either a fair claim or a recovery. My 2 cents, you could have very well been cased for a while, followed home by a professional and they waited for some time to make a grab. Also, as much as I like your igloo, it may have attracted some unneccessary attention by opportunistic thieves. I say opportunistic because there's still a good possibility that it's still in the Boston area. After one of ours was swiped, we watched craigslist, posted on local clubs and forums, contacted a few shops, filed a claim through GEICO, and played the waiting game. About a week after our claim check was processed, it was found in a NE Washington housing project. There's still a chance, but I'd file that claim and go from there.

If it's not bolted down, chances are there's someone out there that will try stealing it. An American flag was stolen from the porch of my parent's house, no joke.
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The thing that stresses me out is that, even if I get it back, or get a new one, there really isn't anything else I could possibly do to secure it any further. Does that mean I will end up with a stolen scooter at least once a year?

The nearest piece of unmovable property to chain it to is about 10 feet away, up a 30 degree incline (A beam holding up the second floor deck). I suppose I could get a second, much longer chain, and attach one chain to the deck, and then the shorter chain to that. I think that is what I might have to do.

The only place I can park it at home is on just dirt, so I can't even sink some sort of locking thing into pavement.
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Is it your property or do you rent? If you rent, how is your relationship with your landlord?

A shovel, 2 bags of concrete and a 4' piece of rebar bent into a U shape can make a nice ground anchor for attaching a good heavy duty lock to. Mine cost about $15.
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Lostmycage wrote:Is it your property or do you rent? If you rent, how is your relationship with your landlord?

A shovel, 2 bags of concrete and a 4' piece of rebar bent into a U shape can make a nice ground anchor for attaching a good heavy duty lock to. Mine cost about $15.
I rent, and that isn't a bad idea. My landlord would probably help me do it actually. Never worked with concrete before though. Couldn't they just pull the block of concrete right out of the ground just as easily as lifting the scooter? How much would that weigh?
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you can get this quick conrete where you just pour the mix in the hole and add water. Once settled in my opinion it is very hard to get the block out, one would need to shovle the dirt away the block in order to get it out.
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Pulling a bag or two of concrete out of the ground is no easy undertaking, let me assure you. It spreads when mixed to fill in the irregularities in the hole, so it's not like it is a smooth cylinder. Having worked to remove some fence posts, it takes a significant bit of shovel work.

Do it with two or three pieces of rebar, forming several U-shaped pieces rather than a single one, in order to slow a thief down and force them to cut through three pieces rather than just one. You might also consider countersinking the thing deeper into the ground so that a lawnmower won't hit it, which will make your landlord a little happier.
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Concrete forms to the hole. It'd take some back breaking digging to pull it out. That's the only downside: when you leave, you'd have to dig it up. It'll take a bit of work, but it's a good solid solution to provide security for your scoot.

The stuff I linked to is about as easy to work with as you can get. Just follow the directions. It's not too heavy to lift in the bags, but add the two bags (or more if you're so inclined) plus the rebar weight, and then the difficulty of it form fitting the hole that you dig and it's not going anywhere without a good hour or more of digging and prying. They'll attempt to cut the chain or whatever part of the bike you lock to or even the rebar before they'll try to dig it up (or more laughably, pull it up).

It's the best solution to your location problem, as long as you get the landlord's OK for it. That's easiest to get if you promise to undo it when you vacate.
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PeteH wrote:Do it with two or three pieces of rebar, forming several U-shaped pieces rather than a single one, in order to slow a thief down and force them to cut through three pieces rather than just one. You might also consider countersinking the thing deeper into the ground so that a lawnmower won't hit it, which will make your landlord a little happier.
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ed85379 wrote:
PeteH wrote:Do it with two or three pieces of rebar, forming several U-shaped pieces rather than a single one, in order to slow a thief down and force them to cut through three pieces rather than just one. You might also consider countersinking the thing deeper into the ground so that a lawnmower won't hit it, which will make your landlord a little happier.
Nothing but dirt and crabgrass back there. No lawn to worry about.
You'll want just enough rebar exposed to lock to. Too much exposed allows more surface area to cut with a grinder (or more surface area to choose from). The higher it is, the more of a trip hazard it is. You'll want to keep it low to the ground.
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There are some ground anchors on the market, too. Most fold down fairly flush with the ground. I wouldn't run a mower over it but a landlord may be more amenable to something like that.
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I am so sorry to hear about your scooter. I was just the other day posting on a different forum that smaller scooters in Boston and Atlanta are being stolen right and left. I am sorry to hear that yours joined the number.

You know, another possibility is that someone followed you home a few days ago and drove on by so you wouldn't notice them.

+1 on sinking some concrete into the ground. Maybe to make it even harder to remove the concrete you could dig it out with a post hole digger, then much of the way down hand dig (with a spade or something)off to two sides so you can slide a larger bar of metal or rebar in horizontally, then pour the concrete in over the top of all of that. Of course the thieves might just show up with large bolt cutters. But maybe using the concrete anchor and a xena with a battery, and a cover, that might work. Do you have a locking gate to the back yard? The more obstacles you can throw in their way, the more attractive someone else's scooter will be to them.

Good luck and I hope you get your scooter back unharmed. They've got to get a new wheel from somewhere right?, since you had a disc lock attached to your front wheel. Hopefully they will approach the dealer about that.
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Sorry...I just saw your picture from the original post. Not sure why I didn't see it before as I was already logged in I think, but my computer acts flaky some times.

It doesn't look like you have a fence. Would it be possible for you to install a chain link dog kennel enclosure? With something like that secured to the ground, a good lock on the opening to it, concrete sunk into the ground to lock the scooter to, a xena with a working battery, and your cover, hopefully future would-be thieves would move on to easier targets... :roll:
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Lostmycage wrote:Concrete forms to the hole. It'd take some back breaking digging to pull it out. That's the only downside: when you leave, you'd have to dig it up.
Why not just leave it? A future tenant might use it to lock down a grill or bicycle, or attach a chain for a dog or toddler to play outside, or hitch their horse after the oilpocalypse comes, etc. As long as it isn't sticking up where people are likely to trip over it... and even then they could put something visible on top of it, like a bucket or some rocks, to prevent that.
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Ed, there are many ways to secure your scooter at home as many pointed out. Home is one place thieves know your scooter spends significant amount of time at each day for sure and this is one of the places they go after scooters most often besides workplace. I can only share with you what worked for my situation and what almost did not to save you the trouble of looking at old posts.
Xena is a great deterrent. It goes off - they leave your bike alone unless they are nuts or on meth.
Anchors and chains at home especially are a must. So is immobilizing your wheels. Both front and back. The later part means they have to lift and carry the 200+bike physically from your back yard to the street. It takes more then one person to do this or they will have to bring power tools to cut through chains, anchors and wire locks, all while Xena is screeching.
Strategy in securing the bike is important. What works for someone in their environment may be exactly the wrong thing for someone else in their situation. A friend had scooter parked in a fairly visible place one day at work. Had he parked in an alley as usual the thief may have gotten away with it but because coworker was out for a smoke he saw someone messing with my friend's bike and immediately called him.
A neighbor who owns a motorcycle started parking it on the opposite side of the street. I know exactly why he is doing this vs having bike close to his town home: the shadow from the house extends over the parked vehicles and even looking out of the window with unobstructed view you cannot see in that shadow at night if someone is messing with your bike when it is parked in front of the house. The other side of the street is clearly visible . My bike is as inconvenient as it is parked next to my front step across my front lawn. It is small enough not to be an eye sore to the neighbors but visible enough that they will immediately know if it goes missing. This past Halloween I scheduled oil change deliberately at that time so that my bike was away from my development with all the kids and people with other motives prowling around the neighborhood, possibly "casing" stuff. I had everyone of my neighbors on my block and several across the street ask about my scooter and why it was gone. So in this situation visibility is to my advantage.
After initial theft attempt there were several more times that Xena activated. They likely shook the bike to check and see if alarm was on. I was outside in a flash but saw no one. All of it was at about 5:30-6:00 am in the summer. The original theft attempt was at about 3:30 am in January between 2 snowstorms. The interesting thing is we were away on vacation earlier in December for like 10 days. The scooter sat outside in front of my car all that time and no one touched it. I originally thought that because it is too cold thieves would stay home where it is nice and warm and my bike would be "safe" from their attentions.....
I do not know if any of this helps in your situation. I too have some "interesting" neighbors and I am still convinced the original theft attempt was done by someone in the neighborhood. All I can do now is always remember they are out there and they are after my bike.
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ed85379 wrote:
Lostmycage wrote:Is it your property or do you rent? If you rent, how is your relationship with your landlord?

A shovel, 2 bags of concrete and a 4' piece of rebar bent into a U shape can make a nice ground anchor for attaching a good heavy duty lock to. Mine cost about $15.
I rent, and that isn't a bad idea. My landlord would probably help me do it actually. Never worked with concrete before though. Couldn't they just pull the block of concrete right out of the ground just as easily as lifting the scooter? How much would that weigh?
well to give you an idea of what concrete with 3/4 inche stone weights
a 6 inch dia 12 inch tall sample cylder weighes 28 lbs

if you go the route of baged concrete that you can get at the hardware store i would go and get your self a 5 gallon pail full of 3/4 crushed stone and an extra bag of pure cement

if you use the 2 bags of premix a 1/2 bad of cement and a 5 gallon pail of 3/4 inch crushed you are talking about 200 lbs of extra weight

now if you think about this if you put 2 holes at least 3 foot deep into the ground and bend a bit of 1/2 in or thicker rebar that goes at least 18 inches if not 32 inches into each hole it will be dam near impossible to get that out of the ground

but then your chain will be the weak point and you have to make sure you hook the chain to a point where they cant get it off the scoot easily
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Wow, this is ridiculous!! I'm so sorry to hear about your Buddy. It is really anxiety-inducing sometimes to think about all that we must do to prevent our scoots from being stolen...and then still. I have my eye out for your Buddy or anything resembling your Buddy (a lot of them get spray painted).
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Sorry to hear that man. I'll keep an eye out when I'm driving around in Lynn. I had a bicycle stolen in Salem and was chasing the guy who stole it and he was definitely heading towards Lynn.

Let me know if you are planning to get rid of your shell. Good luck on the recovery.
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Definitely not getting rid of my CycleShell, as I will need it to protect my next Blackjack from the elements. The thieves did bend one of the loops of metal, because they tried to open it without pulling out the pegs first, but I should be able to bend it back into shape without much difficulty.

With regards to securing it, I decided not to go with the concrete/rebar solution. Assuming I get a highly secure/strong chain, then the rebar would be the weak spot. I imagine bolt cutters could get through rebar like butter.

So what I did was order two of these:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FL1BGQ

Total length, 8.4 feet, and with the way they're designed, I should be able to make use of most of that length. One end I will wrap around the post to the deck, pull it tight, and then lock the end of that chain to the end of the second one. The second one I will wrap around the base/body of the scooter (without threading it), and then use the second lock to lock to create a tight fit around the body of the scooter. I will also, I think, thread the chain through one of the hand-holes at the bottom of the CycleShell. The thieves are not going to cut down the deck, and they can't cut the scooter in half, leaving the weakest point the chain/locks, which comes with a $1000 warranty of its own.

I think this setup will be very easy and quick to attach, and will even protect the shell from thieves when the scooter is away.

I also just got my insurance quote today, from Progressive. They're valuing my Blackjack at $2900 (I paid $3000 for it, slightly used (1100mi), and with the cowl protector and rear rack thrown in), and they're also covering $600 worth of accessories, basically everything I sent them a receipt for, and also, surprisingly, my state sales tax. Minus my $1000 deductible, I am getting about $2700. I'll have the check on Friday (2 weeks from the day). I have to say, I am pretty impressed by Progressive.
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Really not a bad deal on the insurance, all things considered!
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Wow, points to Progressive for moving along nice and quick. Sorry to hear about the stolen bike but if anything, at least you'll have a new blackjack to ride around just in time for summer. I recall reading one or two other posts regarding stolen scooters in MA recently - wonder if there's some kind of underground scooter black market in the area.

Was the place where yours was being stored fenced in? Trying to imagine someone wheeling it away out of a yard with no witnesses.
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mike_cor wrote: Was the place where yours was being stored fenced in? Trying to imagine someone wheeling it away out of a yard with no witnesses.
Not fenced in, but the only way back there with a vehicle is to use the neighbor's very steep driveway (I live on a hill), or up over a dirt hill to the other back yards on the other side. It couldn't have been wheeled with the disc lock attached, at least, not one two tires.

Realized last week that a junky old 850cc Honda motorcycle, which was partially stripped, was also taken. That thing was HEAVY, and I can't imagine how they carried that away unless they had a truck back there.
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Got my insurance check today.

Though they covered more accessories than they claimed they would (they only cover "attached" accessories, but they covered every receipt I gave them, including the chain which was just inside the pet carrier), I realized I forgot to include the $50 BoB Combo Adapter from LilBuddy. Oh well.

I actually put down a deposit for my brand new BlackJack on Tuesday, and my dealer gave me a deal on it, $2700.

So, all this is costing me is sales tax ($175), plus about $650 worth of accessories I need/want to replace. Oh, plus the couple of extra oil changes I will need to get done for the break-in period.

Oh, and check out this new scooter/motorcycle security device. I ordered one.

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With this, plus a disc-lock, I can freeze *both* wheels, which means someone will have to pick up the scooter completely to steal it, not just lift the front and roll it. Also, it looks like it would be great for quick stops into stores if I don't want to deal with the alarm on the Xena, or bending over to put it on/take it off. I can lock the steering column, and put this on the rear-break.
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Congrats. All in all a happier ending than most who've had their bikes stolen. Did you know right away that you wanted another blackjack? Did you kick around the idea of a new 170i?
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mike_cor wrote:Congrats. All in all a happier ending than most who've had their bikes stolen. Did you know right away that you wanted another blackjack? Did you kick around the idea of a new 170i?
Honestly, I've been out of touch, and didn't really know anything about the 170i, but I love the look/color-scheme of the BlackJack, and it really is plenty fast enough for me.... and I was trying to avoid another big purchase right now. So the BlackJack is still a winner for me.
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luckily you can put this behind you! that said you have thieves in your area (not likely this was someone just passing though), and they will steal again unless you out smart them. Make sure you do.
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peabody99 wrote:luckily you can put this behind you! that said you have thieves in your area (not likely this was someone just passing though), and they will steal again unless you out smart them. Make sure you do.
Oh, I am considering LoJacking the thing, if I can find a dealer in my area that will put it in a Buddy. It isn't an officially supported scooter. If not, I may work something with a prepaid GPS phone, hidden inside, with a charger wired into the power. Plus, I *will* be chaining it up in my back yard, and not just relying on the disc lock and new grip lock. I have already bought two chains, and might have to buy a third to reach something from my parking spot to something to chain it to.

Of course, the new security might just piss them off and they might kick it over in frustration....
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better kicked over than gone...
Congrats on the new scoot and speedy return to scooterdom :lol:
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Sounds like a pretty air-tight plan. Glad to hear you're getting things back to what you had before without too much out of pocket.
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My biggest concern now is not at home. I think my neighborhood thieves now have a clear idea that this bike is not going with them. For me to be able to use it the way I want to use it this spring and summer I need to be able to secure it when shopping and when at work.
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Stormswift wrote:My biggest concern now is not at home. I think my neighborhood thieves now have a clear idea that this bike is not going with them. For me to be able to use it the way I want to use it this spring and summer I need to be able to secure it when shopping and when at work.
The risk when shopping is quite a bit less than at home. Unless you always go to the same store at the same time, and spend a lot of time there, it won't attract the kind of person who plans out a theft. Your main risk there is impulse stealing, and all you need to prevent that is to make it a little difficult, enough to stop someone who thinks he's stumbled upon an easy opportunity: lock the handlebars, take the key, and I'd be very surprised to see it stolen in the time it takes to buy a scooterload of groceries.

The risk at work is a bit more, because you probably do park it there every weekday for hours at a time. But if it's daytime, and it's a visible public place, it takes a pretty bold person to try a theft under those circumstances. The shopping precautions plus a lock and/or alarm should be good enough in most places.
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ed85379,Man so happy everything went so smoothly for you.Good luck with your replacement BJ.

I found the ultimate theft deterrent system.It's even large enough for your car and several scooters.Ok it maybe a bit to much money but hey.

http://tinyurl.com/4c3s6pu

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Just to update, I got my brand new BlackJack today, one of the few remaining left. My dealer said Genuine is actually totally sold out now.

So now I have to break it in (annoying), and replace all of my accessories. I have them all ordered now, except for the BoB Combo Adapter. LilBuddy says he is out of stock on them at the moment, unfortunately.

I got the new Vega Summit 3 V-com helmet too. Tried a BlueTooth call, and it kept disconnecting and reconnecting from the phone. Will have to figure that out. Other than that, the helmet is nice.
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ed85379 wrote:I got the new Vega Summit 3 V-com helmet too. Tried a BlueTooth call, and it kept disconnecting and reconnecting from the phone. Will have to figure that out. Other than that, the helmet is nice.
Would love to hear how this works out. It's at the top of my next helmet list.
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ericalm wrote:
ed85379 wrote:I got the new Vega Summit 3 V-com helmet too. Tried a BlueTooth call, and it kept disconnecting and reconnecting from the phone. Will have to figure that out. Other than that, the helmet is nice.
Would love to hear how this works out. It's at the top of my next helmet list.
After fully charging it up, I tested it out some with Pandora on my phone (Yay! Music while riding! And shush all you naysayers who will say it is a bad idea to have the distraction of music. We're all taking risks just riding the scooters in the first place), and it didn't drop once. So I think it might've just been because I hadn't charged it yet and the battery was very low.
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