150 vs. 170i, If I have to choose...which?

Bolbos · Post by **Bolbos** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:37 pm

I see now that the 150 is in fact discontinued and the pickings are slim here. I may be purchasing soon and haven't been considering the 170 because I have no plans for highway driving and want to keep the bike light and nimble. 125 offerings locally are very poor as well and the one that is here I'll likely let the wife get if she likes it.

Anyhoo, aside from the improvements of the 170 (F.I., larger displacement), what will I be 'losing' by possessing the 170 over the 150? It's about 17lbs extra I believe (over either the 150 or 125, I think). Can anyone tell me if I will lose a significant amount of the nimbleness? I think they advertise the Stebel horn, but I thought the 150 (and 125?) had that too? Any input on the whole matter appreciated....

PeteH · Post by **PeteH** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:04 pm

I believe only the 150 Internationals and Blackjack had the Stebel Nautilus - the 125s and 50s I think had the Stebel Magnum (smaller).

Tocsik · Post by **Tocsik** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:22 pm

If I were purchasing now and had the choice, I would go for the 170i.
I ride year-round and having the FI should make the bike run more consistent across a broader range of temps/pressures.

The bikes are the same size so I don't you will lose any "flickability".
Plus, having the extra cc's would come in handy - highway riding or not.

I know the 170i is new here but Genuine has proven itself to be a reliable company and any potential bugs will be worked out. Others would argue that you should never buy the first year model of a car or bike but PGo has sold FI scooters in Asia for quite some time and the Blur 220i has FI and it's been around a while now.

Good luck!

MYSCTR · Post by **MYSCTR** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:50 pm

Yep, after owning (and loving) five buddy's over the past few years - I would jump all over the chance to go 170i today.

Remember these are not built with highway driving in mind so buying a 170i (actually 168) will NOT indicate you can or should take it on the freeway.

WoodWurkur · Post by **WoodWurkur** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:14 pm

As the proud newbie owner of a 170i, I can tell you already that I love it! I can't do a comparison (yet) but my scoot is as nimble (if not more so) than the three or four I have had the opportunity to try out. I wondered about some of the issues as well but once I took the leap, I was happy about it. And I had no intention of use on the freeway to begin with - I just wanted to make sure it had power to deal with normal in-city driving.

Just do it - you'll be glad you did!

viney266 · Post by **viney266** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:55 pm

Unless you can find a killer deal on a leftover 150 ( and there are a few). Go for the 170...Same bike , just better

jijifer · Post by **jijifer** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:19 pm

The 170 is as nimble as nimble and light. It's the same scooter with a newer engine and no jet to tinker with

it's the SAME scooter with an updated engine.

I have a 161cc Buddy - since I kitted it and put the bigger head on it. The only thing I get with an 170i is fuel injection and a couple more cc's.

Buddys in all forms are NOT freeway scoots. that's off-label use to steal the lingo from big pharma.

If you find a 150 - it's probably really discounted and it's a great scooter.

You can't go wrong with the 170i either. I'd like FI because I like to take it into the mountains. With a jetted scooter, performance starts to dramatically decrease over 4k (if jetted for sea level) You won't suffer the performance loss with the 170i. That'd be nice!

desmolicious · Post by **desmolicious** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:56 pm

jijifer wrote:You can't go wrong with the 170i either. I'd like FI because I like to take it into the mountains. With a jetted scooter, performance starts to dramatically decrease over 4k (if jetted for sea level) You won't suffer the performance loss with the 170i. That'd be nice!

Actually you will suffer from a performance decrease with FI, the difference being that it will still run correctly, albeit slower, as the FI can compensate for the decrease in O2 automatically. It maintains the correct fuel/air ratio.

Carbs cannot, so as you go higher the amount of fuel metered remains the same, while the O2 level decreases. This not only results in less power, but also poor running, bogging and in extreme cases possible plug fouling.

beastmaster · Post by **beastmaster** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:57 pm

easy go with the FI

Post by **ericalm** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:46 pm

desmolicious wrote:
jijifer wrote:You can't go wrong with the 170i either. I'd like FI because I like to take it into the mountains. With a jetted scooter, performance starts to dramatically decrease over 4k (if jetted for sea level) You won't suffer the performance loss with the 170i. That'd be nice!
Actually you will suffer from a performance decrease with FI, the difference being that it will still run correctly, albeit slower, as the FI can compensate for the decrease in O2 automatically. It maintains the correct fuel/air ratio.

Carbs cannot, so as you go higher the amount of fuel metered remains the same, while the O2 level decreases. This not only results in less power, but also poor running, bogging and in extreme cases possible plug fouling.

Even with FI, you may need to do a sensor reset at higher elevations. Some GTS owners have had to do this when we've ridden up to Wrightwood.

jijifer · Post by **jijifer** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:56 pm

desmolicious wrote:
jijifer wrote:You can't go wrong with the 170i either. I'd like FI because I like to take it into the mountains. With a jetted scooter, performance starts to dramatically decrease over 4k (if jetted for sea level) You won't suffer the performance loss with the 170i. That'd be nice!
Actually you will suffer from a performance decrease with FI, the difference being that it will still run correctly, albeit slower, as the FI can compensate for the decrease in O2 automatically. It maintains the correct fuel/air ratio.

Carbs cannot, so as you go higher the amount of fuel metered remains the same, while the O2 level decreases. This not only results in less power, but also poor running, bogging and in extreme cases possible plug fouling.

I think you're saying the same thing with different and more words. Losing a little mph isn't too big a deal. Lose AT A LOT, have your scooter, sputter, spit, kick, hiccup and drop to WOT being 25mph indicated and you'll never take your scooter to 8.5k ft again

the EFI bikes I was with had no such problems.

desmolicious · Post by **desmolicious** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:47 pm

ericalm wrote:Even with FI, you may need to do a sensor reset at higher elevations. Some GTS owners have had to do this when we've ridden up to Wrightwood.

That seems strange. I have not taken my GTS to high elevations, but have done so with all my other FI motorcylces w/ no issues.

How did they do a sensor reset on the GTS? Unplug the battery?
Seems a bit disappointing - maybe the FI computer does not have enough memory to contain all the parameters. Smacks of cost cutting to me!
Good thing a Vespa GTS is a cheap bike..

Post by **ericalm** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:52 pm

desmolicious wrote:How did they do a sensor reset on the GTS? Unplug the battery?

If I recall correctly, yes, that's how they did it.

desmolicious · Post by **desmolicious** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:59 pm

ericalm wrote:
desmolicious wrote:How did they do a sensor reset on the GTS? Unplug the battery?
If I recall correctly, yes, that's how they did it.

Maybe these FI bikes should come with three more buttons on the instrument panel.

'Ctrl' 'Alt' 'Delete'

jrsjr · Post by **jrsjr** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:05 am

ericalm wrote:
desmolicious wrote:How did they do a sensor reset on the GTS? Unplug the battery?
If I recall correctly, yes, that's how they did it.

You do recall correctly, yes.

jonlink · Post by **jonlink** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:08 am

I had a 50 and now I have a 170i, it is much nicer. I haven't taken the 150 for a spin, but I can say that the 170i is nimble and fun. I doubt you'll regret it.

neotrotsky · Post by **neotrotsky** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:01 am

While Fuel Injection is dead-on reliable for a commuter (usually

) I myself would personally go for the carb'ed 125. But, this is only me because eventually I would want to start modding it. There's a great resource for performance parts that just makes tinkering with this thing sound like fun

I'm sure eventually there will be parts for the 170i, and at the end of the day I'll spend more and still won't get to the refined performance and economy that the 170i offers, but half the fun is in the build.

That and the 125 has a 500-700 dollar cheaper buy in than the 170i depending on where you buy and what sales taxes are. So, that could play a factor if you're looking for a budget commuter and every buck counts.

But, you can't go wrong either way!

(Just want to say: The silver/black 170i is the best looking

)

davidschap · Post by **davidschap** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:22 am

I took both out for long test rides prior to buying the 170i. I just liked it better off the line and overall pickup and speed. I was coming from a 50cc 2 Stroke Yamaha Jog, which blew both of them off the line, so my comparison is only of the three.

My motorcycles were all FI as well and there is nothing to it, virtually zero maintenance. My quad is carb and of course maintenance.

I'm 40 now & just don't feel like tinkering with carbs anymore, plus, I just liked the way the 170i felt under me...

All comes down to taken it out and playing...

Thanx
David

neotrotsky · Post by **neotrotsky** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:24 am

davidschap wrote:I took both out for long test rides prior to buying the 170i. I just liked it better off the line and overall pickup and speed. I was coming from a 50cc 2 Stroke Yamaha Jog, which blew both of them off the line, so my comparison is only of the three.

My motorcycles were all FI as well and there is nothing to it, virtually zero maintenance. My quad is carb and of course maintenance.

I'm 40 now & just don't feel like tinkering with carbs anymore, plus, I just liked the way the 170i felt under me...

All comes down to taken it out and playing...

Thanx
David

If it's your main mode of transport, obviously there is no question that the FI system is the way to go. Not that the carb'ed Genuine scooters aren't anything but clockwork reliable (at least my old Stella was, and by all accounts Buddy scooters are even better) but you can't get more bang for your buck than the 170i

viney266 · Post by **viney266** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:58 am

desmolicious wrote:
Actually you will suffer from a performance decrease with FI, the difference being that it will still run correctly, albeit slower, as the FI can compensate for the decrease in O2 automatically. It maintains the correct fuel/air ratio.

Carbs cannot, so as you go higher the amount of fuel metered remains the same, while the O2 level decreases. This not only results in less power, but also poor running, bogging and in extreme cases possible plug fouling.

^^^ Can anyone say "turbo"... LOL sorry I had to...oh yeah a small turbo on a scoot, but I digress....

Post by **ericalm** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:12 pm

viney266 wrote:
desmolicious wrote:
Actually you will suffer from a performance decrease with FI, the difference being that it will still run correctly, albeit slower, as the FI can compensate for the decrease in O2 automatically. It maintains the correct fuel/air ratio.

Carbs cannot, so as you go higher the amount of fuel metered remains the same, while the O2 level decreases. This not only results in less power, but also poor running, bogging and in extreme cases possible plug fouling.
^^^ Can anyone say "turbo"... LOL sorry I had to...oh yeah a small turbo on a scoot, but I digress....

It's been done!

batgirl101 · Post by **batgirl101** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:30 pm

jijifer wrote:

Buddys in all forms are NOT freeway scoots. that's off-label use to steal the lingo from big pharma.

that is a bit of misinformation i think. 150cc and up Buddy's are fully capable of freeway use, tho maybe for some people, not the best vehicle for long periods of time or sustained high speeds.

jijifer · Post by **jijifer** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:33 pm

batgirl101 wrote:
jijifer wrote:

Buddys in all forms are NOT freeway scoots. that's off-label use to steal the lingo from big pharma.

that is a bit of misinformation i think. 150cc and up Buddy's are fully capable of freeway use, tho maybe for some people, not the best vehicle for long periods of time or sustained high speeds.

Not misinformation at all. I suggest reading the FAQs at Genuine. Any time you use a product against instructed use by the manufacturer not only can you NOT expect it to perform properly, you can't expect the manufacturer to be liable for your misuse. That's why it's termed 'off label' in pharma.

All Buddys are a 225lb bike, on 10inch tires that are 3.5 inches wide that fit a 30inch inseam flat footed. In states, like California, that grant freeway access by CC, yes the Buddy can legally be on the Freeway here. Doesn't change the fact Buddys were not designed for and the manufacturer does not recommend them for freeway use, thus being "off label".

The reason they are not good for freeway use, besides the low profile and lightness is they cannot sustain freeway speeds in excess over 75mph over long periods. In fact, since the speedo is generous(10%ish), few buddys have achieved actual 75mph (without being heavily modded) never for long periods. Genuine lists the top speed of all the 125,150, and 170 at 60+. Why would the + = 25% greater? That's the top speed at which your buddy is running optimally. Your plastics aren't cracking, you're not overheating, etc. Many of us have 161cc modded buddys and yes, we can hit 75miles per hour actual but only in straight aways with the wind at our backs. WOT means you're putting the bike under duress and leaving yourself NO options for emergencies. Your brakes are NOT designed to stop you quickly from WOT and you have no additional throttle to be evasive. And I'm sure that's what manufacturer knows and why they suggest you don't use your buddy for freeway riding.

Actual facts. no misinformation here. All that is stated about the specs and use of a buddy can be found at the Genuine website.

It's your property to use legally as you see fit. Legally a Buddy can be on freeway (in California). It was never intended for that use when designed and distributed.

neotrotsky · Post by **neotrotsky** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:46 pm

Not to take sides, but one thing to consider if you *do* go on the highway, is the ratings of your tires. Many scooter tires from the factory have a very low speed rating (some only 60mph max). You'd be surprised how low some factory tires on scooters are rated at!

This could be critical to know about. Insurance companies look at info like this for any way to deny claims, and they are hawks about this.

Here's a bit of info on tire speed ratings, but they don't cover scooter tire ratings. It's a bit basic, but it gives you an idea what all goes into it

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/ ... ?techid=35

jijifer · Post by **jijifer** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:19 am

neotrotsky wrote:Not to take sides, but one thing to consider if you *do* go on the highway, is the ratings of your tires. Many scooter tires from the factory have a very low speed rating (some only 60mph max). You'd be surprised how low some factory tires on scooters are rated at!

This could be critical to know about. Insurance companies look at info like this for any way to deny claims, and they are hawks about this.

Here's a bit of info on tire speed ratings, but they don't cover scooter tire ratings. It's a bit basic, but it gives you an idea what all goes into it

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/ ... ?techid=35

Great point! I'd switch from stock outright if I knew then what I do now. Zippy 1 - 100/90 are what I love. So much more sticky, corner/lean better. Just feel 100% more stable!

jijifer · Post by **jijifer** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:33 am

add these websites about tires:

http://www.scooterloungeonline.com/genuinebuddytires

all the recommended tires are J rated or 62mph.

and well, there's lots of tire threads read rider reviews and preferences but yes, most tires in the buddy size of 10x3.5 or 100/90 are not rated for more than 62mph below the speed limit for most freeways.

desmolicious · Post by **desmolicious** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:08 am

jijifer wrote:
batgirl101 wrote:
jijifer wrote:

Buddys in all forms are NOT freeway scoots. that's off-label use to steal the lingo from big pharma.

that is a bit of misinformation i think. 150cc and up Buddy's are fully capable of freeway use, tho maybe for some people, not the best vehicle for long periods of time or sustained high speeds.
Not misinformation at all. I suggest reading the FAQs at Genuine. Any time you use a product against instructed use by the manufacturer not only can you NOT expect it to perform properly, you can't expect the manufacturer to be liable for your misuse. That's why it's termed 'off label' in pharma.

All Buddys are a 225lb bike, on 10inch tires that are 3.5 inches wide that fit a 30inch inseam flat footed. In states, like California, that grant freeway access by CC, yes the Buddy can legally be on the Freeway here. Doesn't change the fact Buddys were not designed for and the manufacturer does not recommend them for freeway use, thus being "off label".

The reason they are not good for freeway use, besides the low profile and lightness is they cannot sustain freeway speeds in excess over 75mph over long periods. In fact, since the speedo is generous(10%ish), few buddys have achieved actual 75mph (without being heavily modded) never for long periods. Genuine lists the top speed of all the 125,150, and 170 at 60+. Why would the + = 25% greater? That's the top speed at which your buddy is running optimally. Your plastics aren't cracking, you're not overheating, etc. Many of us have 161cc modded buddys and yes, we can hit 75miles per hour actual but only in straight aways with the wind at our backs. WOT means you're putting the bike under duress and leaving yourself NO options for emergencies. Your brakes are NOT designed to stop you quickly from WOT and you have no additional throttle to be evasive. And I'm sure that's what manufacturer knows and why they suggest you don't use your buddy for freeway riding.

Actual facts. no misinformation here. All that is stated about the specs and use of a buddy can be found at the Genuine website.

It's your property to use legally as you see fit. Legally a Buddy can be on freeway (in California). It was never intended for that use when designed and distributed.

Excellent comment.

batgirl101 · Post by **batgirl101** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:12 am

jijifer wrote:
batgirl101 wrote:
jijifer wrote:

Buddys in all forms are NOT freeway scoots. that's off-label use to steal the lingo from big pharma.

that is a bit of misinformation i think. 150cc and up Buddy's are fully capable of freeway use, tho maybe for some people, not the best vehicle for long periods of time or sustained high speeds.
Not misinformation at all. I suggest reading the FAQs at Genuine.

i just did, for the first time and Genuine does advise against riding on expressways etc. it also states the scooter should be broken in after a few hundred miles which surprised me.

batgirl101 · Post by **batgirl101** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:20 am

neotrotsky wrote:Not to take sides, but one thing to consider if you *do* go on the highway, is the ratings of your tires. Many scooter tires from the factory have a very low speed rating (some only 60mph max). You'd be surprised how low some factory tires on scooters are rated at!

This could be critical to know about. Insurance companies look at info like this for any way to deny claims, and they are hawks about this.

Here's a bit of info on tire speed ratings, but they don't cover scooter tire ratings. It's a bit basic, but it gives you an idea what all goes into it

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/ ... ?techid=35

this is good to know, i plan to switch to Heidenau at my 2,000 mile service.

beastmaster · Post by **beastmaster** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:54 am

i like turtles

Raiderfn31 · Post by **Raiderfn31** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:55 pm

Arent turtles a bit slow?

killbilly · Post by **killbilly** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:19 am

Forget the 170.

Buy a Blur ss220i. Your grin will more than make up for the extra money.

killbilly · Post by **killbilly** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:21 am

batgirl101 wrote: i just did, for the first time and Genuine does advise against riding on expressways etc. it also states the scooter should be broken in after a few hundred miles which surprised me.

I've been told 500-1000mi is adequate break-in time. I don't know what it is on the Buddys, but I can tell you that the Blur motor definitely loosens up after a few hundred miles.

skully93 · Post by **skully93** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:28 pm

our local scooter shop has tons of 150's left, and they aren't moving fast. I wish they'd discount them, because then I would consider one. But since they're sticking to their guns I'm going to just wait until I can outright dump a ton into the down payment of a 170i and get good financing on the rest.

Lokky · Post by **Lokky** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:40 pm

neotrotsky wrote:Not to take sides, but one thing to consider if you *do* go on the highway, is the ratings of your tires. Many scooter tires from the factory have a very low speed rating (some only 60mph max). You'd be surprised how low some factory tires on scooters are rated at!

This could be critical to know about. Insurance companies look at info like this for any way to deny claims, and they are hawks about this.

Here's a bit of info on tire speed ratings, but they don't cover scooter tire ratings. It's a bit basic, but it gives you an idea what all goes into it

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/ ... ?techid=35

One thing to remember is that speed ratings are given for a fully inflated tire. Keeping your tire at 25-30psi means that you can comfortably go faster than the speed rating listed for the tire without risk.

Also regarding highway use, while the buddy may not be the ideal machine it isdefinitely capable of doing it. Sure its a bit squirrely and may requirea certain riding style, but we have taken it on long trips with no problem together with my Stella. We did find that carrying loaded saddlebags may help a lot with control.

LunaP · Post by **LunaP** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:12 pm

Lokky wrote:
neotrotsky wrote:Not to take sides, but one thing to consider if you *do* go on the highway, is the ratings of your tires. Many scooter tires from the factory have a very low speed rating (some only 60mph max). You'd be surprised how low some factory tires on scooters are rated at!

This could be critical to know about. Insurance companies look at info like this for any way to deny claims, and they are hawks about this.

Here's a bit of info on tire speed ratings, but they don't cover scooter tire ratings. It's a bit basic, but it gives you an idea what all goes into it

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/ ... ?techid=35
One thing to remember is that speed ratings are given for a fully inflated tire. Keeping your tire at 25-30psi means that you can comfortably go faster than the speed rating listed for the tire without risk.

Also regarding highway use, while the buddy may not be the ideal machine it isdefinitely capable of doing it. Sure its a bit squirrely and may requirea certain riding style, but we have taken it on long trips with no problem together with my Stella. We did find that carrying loaded saddlebags may help a lot with control.

This. Saddlebags with some weight helped a lot. Tires better than stocks would have also helped. It is definitely not IDEAL for highway use, I wouldn't take it on a super busy highway, or one where the speed limit was 70 or more (like I95, where everybody paces 90), but the 170 can do it. However, I can completely understand why some may think I'm crazy to highway commute on it.

That being said, the only time I lamented for a brief moment having chosen the 170i was when my battery was stolen. No kickstart on the 170i, so if you battery happens to die or be stolen by some asshat who apparently needed one, your Buddy becomes a shiny, 200lb paperweight

However, I'm pretty much in love with my 170 and I think I would have regretted not purchasing it, had I gone with anything else. It has so much spunk!

Witch · Post by **Witch** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:05 am

I feel spoiled with my GTV, but I certainly would not mind having a Buddy to go with it.

When I first rode a Buddy 150, I thought to myself, "You know, for the type of scooter it is, this bike is damn near perfect. All it needs is fuel injection."

When I finally got to try the 170i, I seriously started having thoughts about how I could pay for it and take it home. It's not my GTV... but it is a fantastic little scooter, and I think the only thing I could nitpick is that it needs to come in more colors.

ravenlore · Post by **ravenlore** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:47 pm

jrsjr wrote:
ericalm wrote:
desmolicious wrote:How did they do a sensor reset on the GTS? Unplug the battery?
If I recall correctly, yes, that's how they did it.
You do recall correctly, yes.

So "when in doubt, pull the battery out!" isn't just for smartphones...noted for future reference

skully93 · Post by **skully93** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:42 pm

How cruel of someone too steal a battery! Couldn't they have just asked for a jump? Sheesh.

Of course as an update to my above post I did buy the 150 because it was discounted and it was right there. I don't doubt that as the years tick by, I might still consider one of the 170i's!

This is all very dependent on the next few years of our lives of course, but with only 50 miles on Yoda as of this morning, they really are fun scoots.

The guys at my local scoot shop still prefer the carbs, but only because they're more familiar with them at this point. Another year or two and they won't care.

SYMbionic Duo · Post by **SYMbionic Duo** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:53 pm

jijifer wrote: The reason they are not good for freeway use, besides the low profile and lightness is they cannot sustain freeway speeds in excess over 75mph over long periods. In fact, since the speedo is generous(10%ish), few buddys have achieved actual 75mph (without being heavily modded) never for long periods.

Where in the US is it legal to drive in excess of 75mph?

minimum highway speed is 45mph. the 125, the 150 and the 170 can all do 55 sustained w/o being WOT. (provided you are not riding up a steep grade, over 300lbs and/or riding into a sustained wind of 10mph or greater)

Just ride where you feel comfortable, regardless of what you are riding.

LunaP · Post by **LunaP** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:59 am

SYMbionic Duo wrote:
jijifer wrote: The reason they are not good for freeway use, besides the low profile and lightness is they cannot sustain freeway speeds in excess over 75mph over long periods. In fact, since the speedo is generous(10%ish), few buddys have achieved actual 75mph (without being heavily modded) never for long periods.
Where in the US is it legal to drive in excess of 75mph?

minimum highway speed is 45mph. the 125, the 150 and the 170 can all do 55 sustained w/o being WOT. (provided you are not riding up a steep grade, over 300lbs and/or riding into a sustained wind of 10mph or greater)

Just ride where you feel comfortable, regardless of what you are riding.

I think there's an interstate or two around here where, once you are away from all the cities, the speed limit increases to 80 or 85. I-95 and I-85, I think.

skully93 · Post by **skully93** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:11 pm

The highest speed limit we have in CO is 75, and that's increased from 65 a few years back.

Maybe I'm just a weenie that owns crappy cars, but anything higher than 80 usually feels iffy to me except when no one is around and the weather is perfect. Now, I've driven some very performance cars on closed tracks and gone up to 130, but...

Riding a scoot would bother me less at high speed if others weren't around.