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Going car-free

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I'm experimenting with the idea of going car-free.
Before I got into scooters and motorcycles, I was almost there at car-lite via bicycle. I started heading back that way when I got Pooka and now the motorcycle.
I'd always been aiming for car-lite, but I'm taking the step-before-the-plunge towards car-free: if I can make it through winter without caving in and relying on the car, I'm looking at selling it in the spring.

I know there are others here who are scoot-only. I'm curious about your experiences with that decision. What's your favorite thing about being car-free? Your least favorite? What are some of the challenges when you made the leap, and how easily (or not) did you make the transition?

I'd love to start a discussion on this lifestyle choice. :)
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i went car free about a month and a half ago. i regret nothing. i love not paying 100 dollars a month for just state minimum car insurance. and parking is AWESOME at my school (The University of Houston). not only am i garunteed a spot at any time of the day, i pay nothing for it (i only had to register my scooter). so instead of 200+ dollars a year for parking permits, i pay a big fat 0. so far its been awesome. with my back rack and prima bag, i can easily go grocery shopping for a week or more with my scooter. oh and now i dont have to give people rides, because they dont want to ride on my scooter!! buahahahahahah!! sorry, i dont have a car! or an extra helmet! buaahhahaahah!

the only bad thing is the cold. now all you northerners just be quiet, i need to rant here. it seriously dropped to like 65 degrees on wednesday. fahrenheit!!! look im used to 100 every day, and now this! its only october! its not suppose to be cold until january! im uncomfortable outside without a jacket in less than 80 degree weather. so yeah.

/rant off

just be prepared for winter because i bet its going to be closer to frozen hell in carolina.
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I hear ya on the sudden mercury dropping. I had my 125 the last two winters, so I have some idea of what I'm getting into, though this time without a leg shield. I'm getting some leg gaitor-thingits as soon as I get paid. Wind straight up the pants legs doesn't care about fleece-lined jeans! :shock: Lower 20's (F) was my limit with the scooter. We'll see with the MC.

100F?!? :wtf: I'm used to 80's being summer. 65F is ideal riding weather for me. Tomorrow morning and night is a gear test. There's a frost warning. Brr. (Dear Santa: I'd like some heated gloves, plskthx.)
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A back up plan for ice and snow and in my case a recognition that some where below about 25*, it's just too damn cold to ride! And of course friends who live nearby... R
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I don't think i could go fully scoot. I passed that MSF class, had a blast doing it, got my full MC license and do almost everything vehicle related on the scoot cos it's SOOOO MUCH FUN TO RIDE. Sometimes I have to use a car to transport my equipment but not often. I also like to have the car there if I need it cos I like to keep my options open. It's such a great conversation starter too when cute chicks ask me about my Buddy :wink:
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I gave up my car last winter, its definitely doable.
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Next month is my fifth anniversary, being car-free. Nashville doesn't have the worst winters, but we nearly always get some snow, and have been getting some frigid weeks in February, especially.

The first weeks of 50F temps are the hardest, especially if rain is also included (and it often is). It gets easier after that, IMO.
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I think if you have some possible variable existing it is easier-any or all the following are nice:
some form of public transportation available
a flexible job with a work at home option
if in a cold climate, short commute
possibility of carpooling-obviously chipping in for gas
ability to walk places if snow is on the ground-typically urban living
ideal-availability of zip car or other hourly car rental service
otherwise- if someone were car free and rented a car once every month for what ever reason you would still be way ahead.

We went car light (1 car, 2 adults) in Cleveland of all places and barely noticed the inconvenience of sharing the car when the weather got bad-it helped both of our offices were close....we had to have one car because of the nature of my job-lots of field work.

we are pretty tough but jan-march there was barely any riding, and Nov, Dec and March are mostly unpleasant as well.

We have toyed with going car free in San Diego-but my job requires some field work and if were pouring rain, it just would not work on the scooter.
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dshanson wrote:the only bad thing is the cold. now all you northerners just be quiet, i need to rant here. it seriously dropped to like 65 degrees on wednesday. fahrenheit!!! look im used to 100 every day, and now this! its only october! its not suppose to be cold until january! im uncomfortable outside without a jacket in less than 80 degree weather. so yeah.

/rant off

just be prepared for winter because i bet its going to be closer to frozen hell in carolina.

:rofl: :rofl: Ahem.

Actually, I empathize with you entirely- I would keep it 80 year round if I controlled the weather. And that's with the east coast humidity, which you don't have... out there, I could probably stand 90+. I remember walking around LA the one time I was there while it was like 92 or something, and because there was no humidity whatsoever, it felt like 75 to me. I was damn surprised to find myself slightly sunburned from walking down the street to the restaurant and back. :shock:


Anyway, to Cheshire: I live maybe 5 hours north of you, I'm sure we have extremely similar weather. In terms of preparing yourself for weather... make sure you have GOOD GEAR. A good, water/wind/cold proof winter coat, gloves, and something for your legs... I'm working on a lap cover for the scooter to go over my legs... I can let you know if the one I get fits on the Buddy fairly well or not. If not, long johns or toy with the idea of ordering lined pants from somewhere that caters to people who live MUCH farther north than we do. I frequently ride in a different pair of pants, then change once I get to work- usually because of a threat of rain on the way there or back. For this reason, I also acquired myself an awesome waterproof backpack. I would also SERIOUSLY consider investing in a small or medium sized windshield if you do not already have one.


As far as the concept of actually being car-less... I didn't have a choice about losing my car. The choice I made was spending the 4-5k loan (which was all I could afford in monthly paymenyts) on a probably crappy used car, or a shiny new scoot with a warranty. Things that are awesome: not having to EVER pay more than 3.70 to fill my tank. I'm saving almost my scooter payment in gas. Even if I fill up three times a week, it costs me the same amount for the whole month as it did to fill my car's tank up ONCE. And I usually had to fill that thing 3.5 times a month. Car insurance... scooter insurance is way cheaper, and if you lose the car you'll lose that expense. Most policies have a clause for an 'occasional driver', so if you find yourself having to play DD and drive a friend home or borrow their car for some necessity or emergency, you should be covered under their policy.

Things I don't like: I was always that person who volunteered to drive, give rides, etc. I can't do that now- I can only carry one passenger and not many things. Pets. I have three cats- if one of them needs to go to the vet, I am not going to torture them by strapping the carrier to the back rack, I will have to borrow my sister's car or call a taxi. They also do make you a little antisocial in the winter- when the weather becomes an obstacle and not an afterthought, you show up to less optional social gatherings because of it.

That's all I've figured out so far... I've only been riding since September. So, this will be my first winter as well :)
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I was scooter only for 2 years. I have a car again now. the kicker was being unable to take my gravely mauled pet to the vet.

I'd say if you have responsibilities to pets or kids, scoot only isn't ideal but if you don't, it's pretty freaking doable.

There are a few days a year in San Diego with weather. I have enough gear to get through any of that.
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I'm kind of a weirdo, as far as the American side of scootering goes. I've never even owned a car! So I honestly can't say much about the "transition." I will say that I instantly gained a few pounds after going from bicycling everywhere in the hot Texas sun to just flicking my wrist to get where I needed to go.

The hardest things to deal with are usually either weather, or transporting something that can't be safely moved with a scooter. That's when a bus pass or a good friend come in handy. :)
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Post by scootavaran »

I went carless a few years back. Now i dont even like being coup up in a car for long.
But the major thing to realize here is that I hve no kids and live in a small town with good year round weather.
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jijifer wrote:I was scooter free for 2 years. I have a car again now. the kicker was being unable to take my gravely mauled pet to the vet.

I'd say if you have responsibilities to pets or kids, scoot only isn't ideal but if you don't, it's pretty freaking doable.

There are a few days a year in San Diego with weather. I have enough gear to get through any of that.
yeah kids can be deal breakers in all but the most urban enviroments, otherwise you go car lite (which means 2 parents, 1 car).

I get the pet thing. I had a pet in crisis (lasting about 6 weeks-included cross state blood transfusions... :shock: ) and of course I needed a car to transport. Then there was the time my husband had a fleeting health crisis in the middle of the night. In the pouring rain . Hospital ER 15 miles away. and its 2 am. Am I going to follow in scooter in driving rain? oh hell no, this was the gladest I was I had a car. This may sound like a pro car arguement, but it is not. We happen to have a 9 year old paid for car that costs 37 a month in insurance, so we keep it. It gets driven 1-2 a month if that.

If something happened to this car AND I did not need to do field work for my job (I can take scooter weather permitting but if not I need a car), we would NOT get another car...we would rent as needed and take a cab in an emergency.

So to the OP, yeah you can do it!
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I plan on having money aside for an emergency to rent a car if something happens to Aurora (7.5 year old rottie). I checked with the nearby rental place (Enterprise) and they allow pets as long as she doesn't tear up the interior. I have a bed sheet and blanket for when she rides in vehicles other than mine, so barring a midnight emergency I should be okay there.

My riding gear is almost ironed out. Windproof mc pants with a quilted liner, FF helmet, wind/waterproof gaitors to close the small gap between my boots and pants (I have long legs), winter waterproof boots rated for -40, and a 4-season mc jacket. I also have several pairs of over-the-knee wool socks (I love these) and a pair of fleece-lined jeans. I think I'll be getting a second pair of lined jeans. They're amazing!
The "almost" part: this is my 2nd jacket, the first one finally died this past spring. The new coat's winter liner is just a vest, and I noticed the difference tonight and tuesday (in the rain). I'm looking at some coats at REI to make up the difference that I can wear under the mc coat. My gaitors worked well last winter, but I've lost one. :fp: I wear the one I have on my bad leg and use the other as a gauge. I'll be getting another set shortly. I have a balaclava, but it bunches up with the FF helmet and makes me feel like I'm wearing a neck brace. :lol: I'll either alter it and lose the hood part or see if I can find a polarfleece neck warmer. I had one before and really liked it.
My gloves have been the weak link in my gear since the first winter. It's looking like I need to invest in heated grips or gloves: something I've been trying to avoid because of the initial cost. Regardless, I'm also looking at waterproof over-gloves. My cooler-weather gloves keep my hands dry (tested in several downpours), but the outer layer gets soaked and takes a day or two to dry out.

I've thought about this for a while, been seriously thinking about it since June, and started weighing the pro's and con's last month. Now that I'm down to leaving the car parked, it's starting to sink in that it's happening...I'm really doing this! I'm excited, nervous, a little scared/intimidated, and happy all at the same time. I can't imagine what I'm going to be like in the spring! :) :shock: :o :( :mrgreen: :goofy:
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Cheshire wrote: Regardless, I'm also looking at waterproof over-gloves. My cooler-weather gloves keep my hands dry (tested in several downpours), but the outer layer gets soaked and takes a day or two to dry out.
Don't go expensive, just get oversized dish gloves. I hear they work very well, and they are already long enough to go over your wrist. ;)

I will say that once we know where the hell we are living next year and I am 50% or more debt-free, (and my gorram credit report has been fixed so I can lower my insurance rates), I will look at buying a 1500 dollar beater, just for emergencies, or even to go on camping trips with :) we like camping, and conventions. Stuff like that is hard to scoot to because of the luggage situation.
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cheshire, your gear list sounds good especially the riding pants with removable liner and the gaiters (I have the same set-up for long-distance touring for the same reasons as you). Heated gloves are spendy so cheaper would be heated grips. The b/f has Oxford Heaterz (they come in both 7/8 and 1 inch) and with his winter gloves, he's pretty happy. He also has Barkbusters which keep the wind off the hands. All that together is more expensive than heated gloves but the BBs protect both his hands and levers from trees and drops (which happens all too often, haha!).

For all of you with pets:
I have a vet that comes to the house. He does not have an office; he has a travelling clinic. He has done surgery on one of my cats, and euthanized two of my cats, all at my house. Obviously the surgery is done inside his van-thing, but he came into the house for the other which was a huge relief for me and the cats. Their last moments were on my couch in/on their sleepies/blankies, not on a cold, metal platform in an office with strange smells. I suggest looking around for such a service, particularly those who live in cities. My travelling vet is cheaper than the one I used to go to because he has lower overhead. And he's fantastic.

My household is not car-free (we have three but two of them are "collectors", and I don't drive any of them unless it's actively snowing).

peabody99 nailed it for those of us in cold, urban climates. If your work can be flexible, there's really no need for a car unless you have to haul big things regularly. The boyfriend isn't about to sell his P1800e and I'm a landlord who has to haul toilets and flooring and all kinds of crap.
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We have 2 cars, 2 scooters, a boat, a utility trailer, and a camper trailer.

We could really do without one car and the boat though. The only reason we still have two cars is because we get ice storms down here in Atlanta for a couple weeks of the year every winter. Both our cars are 4wd, so we are usually the only ones at work or school or even on the roads when everyone else is snowed in.

So, other than when there is ice on the roads, my car doesn't get driven other than to just drive it to keep it working properly.

I'd love to get rid of the boat too, but no one will buy it. (anyone want to buy a boat?)
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siobhan wrote: For all of you with pets:
I have a vet that comes to the house. He does not have an office; he has a travelling clinic. He has done surgery on one of my cats, and euthanized two of my cats, all at my house. Obviously the surgery is done inside his van-thing, but he came into the house for the other which was a huge relief for me and the cats. Their last moments were on my couch in/on their sleepies/blankies, not on a cold, metal platform in an office with strange smells. I suggest looking around for such a service, particularly those who live in cities. My travelling vet is cheaper than the one I used to go to because he has lower overhead. And he's fantastic.
There's a rumor of exactly ONE traveling vet in my area... I don't know anybody that actually has a name, number, or has experienced the services. However, I'm pretty in love with my vet- she's reasonable, and figured out what was wrong with my MooCat in time to save him without me having to take him to the emergency vet that I most certainly couldn't afford. But that's just my situation... that's a REALLY good point, Sib!
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I did the car free thing for almost 2 years. I was reluctant to get a car, but my brother was getting rid of his Honda Civic, going to either scrap it or donate it since it needed a lot of work on it. I took it off his hands at no cost to him, just the $450 for a family friend to install a new exhaust system and catalytic converter, which should've been almost $1000 job. We pay $300 a year for the state minimum insurance, $50 a month for a garage space in our bldg, and $25 a year for property tax. The rest is on our gas. It's a lot better then the hundreds of dollars a month for a "new" car and the premium insurance coverage.

I was very reluctant to take a car, but I did it primarily for my wife. She's starting school and clinicals across the metro area, including late evenings and in some dangerous neighborhoods. We have no kids or pets, but it's also nice for trips beyond the metro area to visit family and stay out late. She doesn't like riding at night. It's also more feasible for snowboarding trips which take about 2 hours each way, and we'd be pretty tired by the time we GOT to the mountain. But that's just us. I loved being car free, but I'm pretty content with car-lite as well.

We had zipcar, amtrak, megabus, and an abundance of other transit options in the Washington area to fall back on. Our jobs were closeby and we live in a walkable urban area. Those are some critical things to consider, especially at night or when the weather turns sour.

I highly recommend the gerbings heated gauntlet gloves and carhartt insulated bibs. The right gear can really make a difference. Give it a try, but at the least, car-lite with a clunker Honda that has 180,000 miles is always a viable option as well.

My job also requires me to sometimes pack a lot of stuff and move to another station for the shift, so I've learned through trial and error how to fit everything on the scooter. Good luck to ya!
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