World Kindness Tour on a Genuine Scooter! :D

[URAwesome]

I agree with ericalm's post. Why the hell not just get out there? Sure, things are gonna suck when you're sitting by the side of a rarely-travelled road in Utah with a bike that won't start and it's pissing down rain and you just ate your last granola bar, and oh, yeah, it's dark and is that a bear you hear, but what's wrong with that? Especially since you're travelling with a theme...you'll find out about the kindness of strangers and friends alike.

I've read plenty of ride reports about people who just head out, no timeline, no destinations, little money, and some of them with little riding experience. If you're flexible, don't mind being dirty, hungry, cold, lonely, are comfortable approaching strangers for help (or at least open to trying to be), why not?

And think about all the fun, interesting, and meaningful experiences you'll have.

We all wind up in a box in the end. Why not make it an interesting journey to that box.

U R Awesome siobhan! Thanks for the encouragement and for your avatar, they're just what I needed right now! I plan on giving this trip everything I got, every single ounce of energy I can muster because I know that my dedication and the world's kindness will ensure that this trip is a GREAT SUCCESS!! Thanks again!

[URAwesome]

I agree with ericalm's post. Why the hell not just get out there? Sure, things are gonna suck when you're sitting by the side of a rarely-travelled road in Utah with a bike that won't start and it's pissing down rain and you just ate your last granola bar, and oh, yeah, it's dark and is that a bear you hear, but what's wrong with that? Especially since you're travelling with a theme...you'll find out about the kindness of strangers and friends alike.

I've read plenty of ride reports about people who just head out, no timeline, no destinations, little money, and some of them with little riding experience. If you're flexible, don't mind being dirty, hungry, cold, lonely, are comfortable approaching strangers for help (or at least open to trying to be), why not?

And think about all the fun, interesting, and meaningful experiences you'll have.

We all wind up in a box in the end. Why not make it an interesting journey to that box.

I'd at least make sure I'd watched all of the Survivorman episodes before I headed out. Then again, I'm not the kind of guy who has a great deal of confidence in the kindness of others.

That's exactly why I'm doing this trip jasondavis48108 to restore people's faith in kindness!

[URAwesome]

If you are going to address breakdown insurance (such as AAA, Allstate) you should investigate coverage. As far as I know (AAA), they are region based and each agency has their own definitions of coverage. For example, in California, motorcycle coverage is not included in regular or premium AAA coverage. It is included in a separate RV/ motorcycle policy, or if you carry AAA vehicle insurance. Joining the AMA offers towing as a benefit but I don't know the particulars of their coverage.

I think the idea of hitting all the major cities in your state would be an excellent trial run of scooter touring.

Thanks paige! I'll be adding the motorcycle policy to my AAA coverage and will hit the road to test my scooting ability as soon as I get my scooter!

[URAwesome]

...and if you do end up with a (new) Genuine scooter (from a dealer), you get a 2-year warranty and free roadside assistance.

That's why I'm working so hard to get one

[URAwesome]

since you are ending up in Washington, I assume you're last state capitols will be Annapolis or Richmond. If so, I'll rally some of the locals and maybe we can tag along for the last leg. Heck you could easily cover Richmond, Annapolis, and DC in the same day, which would be pretty cool as well. Weather should be pretty uneventful between March and May unless we get another freak snowstorm in March. Only obligation I have other then work is hoping to do Cannonball this year in late April.

Thats whats up BootScootin'FireFighter! Thinking about slowing down the whole trip to end up in DC on the 4th of July. What do you think of that? Would you still be able to ride along?

[URAwesome]

http://underboningtheworld.blogspot.com/
Sym Symbas go 'round da globe

Thanks!!

[URAwesome]

since you are ending up in Washington, I assume you're last state capitols will be Annapolis or Richmond. If so, I'll rally some of the locals and maybe we can tag along for the last leg. Heck you could easily cover Richmond, Annapolis, and DC in the same day, which would be pretty cool as well. Weather should be pretty uneventful between March and May unless we get another freak snowstorm in March. Only obligation I have other then work is hoping to do Cannonball this year in late April.

+1

We do a camping rally the second weekend in May, and I have something personal planned the 2nd weekend in June. Not sure of anything else. But I agree. Make it here and I'm sure the local scoot gang will ride around with you in a grand celebratory fashion!

Thats whats up LunaP! Like I mentioned above, my schedule may change but I'll keep you guys posted for sure!

[URAwesome]

God Knows we could all use a little kindness! Please keep us informed it is a Long way to Santa Fe but New Mexico is Scooter Friendly... Mostly. R

Thanks still shifting! I've been to Sante Fe and totally loved it so I'll def be back!

[URAwesome]

One of my friends suggested looking into a Stella 4 stroke but Idk about doing this trip on a manual scooter.

What do you think?

[TVB]

I'll be carrying most of my valuables in a 65 liter backpack.

I'd encourage you to offload as much as you can from your back onto the scooter. That's less tiring and keeps the center of gravity lower for better stability. In addition to the "pet carrier" under the seat, the Buddy can be equipped with racks on the rear and the front which can carry a bit of gear. If you do use a backpack, try to find a way to rest it on the seat behind you, so you aren't supporting its weight with your shoulders.

[ericalm]

One of my friends suggested looking into a Stella 4 stroke but Idk about doing this trip on a manual scooter.

What do you think?

I replied to that question via our email exchange, but I'm going to post my reply here in case anyone has a different take on it:

I'd recommend not riding a manual on a trip like this if you're a new rider. It would be quite a learning experience! Riding on curves, hill, rain, etc. is more complex and has a steeper learning curve. I've done several all-day rides on the Stella and it's great but can't take a hill as well as a Buddy 150 or 170. It also bogs down more in higher elevations, and may require carb adjustments or rejetting. [EDIT: Yes, I said rejetting! Go ahead and scoff.] The Stella also has tubed tires. You get to carry a spare, but it's more prone to blowouts and you have to change the tire. On a Buddy's tubeless tires, you can often patch the tire and refill it. When punctured, the tubeless tires usually won't blow out even if it loses air quickly.

[LunaP]

I'll be carrying most of my valuables in a 65 liter backpack.

I'd encourage you to offload as much as you can from your back onto the scooter. That's less tiring and keeps the center of gravity lower for better stability. In addition to the "pet carrier" under the seat, the Buddy can be equipped with racks on the rear and the front which can carry a bit of gear. If you do use a backpack, try to find a way to rest it on the seat behind you, so you aren't supporting its weight with your shoulders.

This. Also, I totally agree with Eric about not driving a manual. UNLESS you already know how to shift a manual two-wheel vehicle WELL, you should not undertake this endeavor as a brand-new rider AND also be new to shifting.

Once you get the scooter, we can tell you how best to load it up.

There is a little room on the seat behind you to strap things. Buddy's have a pet carrier. They also have a back rack- which you can either put a top case on, or strap a milk crate to (each of those options has pros and cons). If you really want to use the space you could also put something on the floorboard, but I advise against that since you will need to move your legs around one such a long trip. I STRONGLY suggest in investing in saddle or roll bags for such a long trip- they would add to your carry capacity a lot and make you much more comfortable. You need to think about carrying, in addition to your personal things, some tools and supplies for the scoot. These Prima saddlebags are the ones I have but they aren't the only option out there.

Also, you said 65 liter backpack. I seriously hope it's waterproof. If you are in the middle of nowhere and it rains you won't have a way to cover yourself. I got mine from ebay, it's made by a brand called Overboard. It's amazing. Mine is the 25L and it's pretty big (was about $35 on ebay) They make a 60L. It's about $80 after shipping, but it would be worth it on that kind of trip.

We haven't even gotten into gear yet, but I can keep going on FANTASTIC gear suggestions and it is EXPENSIVE. Plan on spending another couple hundred, at least. And please tell me you have medical insurance. (actually, you don't need to say so on the forum... I just REALLY hope for your sake that you aren't considering such a trip without it)

I want you to be well informed and have your butt covered.

[URAwesome]

One of my friends suggested looking into a Stella 4 stroke but Idk about doing this trip on a manual scooter.

What do you think?

I replied to that question via our email exchange, but I'm going to post my reply here in case anyone has a different take on it:

I'd recommend not riding a manual on a trip like this if you're a new rider. It would be quite a learning experience! Riding on curves, hill, rain, etc. is more complex and has a steeper learning curve. I've done several all-day rides on the Stella and it's great but can't take a hill as well as a Buddy 150 or 170. It also bogs down more in higher elevations, and may require carb adjustments or rejetting. [EDIT: Yes, I said rejetting! Go ahead and scoff.] The Stella also has tubed tires. You get to carry a spare, but it's more prone to blowouts and you have to change the tire. On a Buddy's tubeless tires, you can often patch the tire and refill it. When punctured, the tubeless tires usually won't blow out even if it loses air quickly.

Thanks ericalm
I completely agree with you about the automatic vs manual and appreciate the extra info. It'll be easier to make my case when I explain what you mentioned.

[URAwesome]

I'll be carrying most of my valuables in a 65 liter backpack.

I'd encourage you to offload as much as you can from your back onto the scooter. That's less tiring and keeps the center of gravity lower for better stability. In addition to the "pet carrier" under the seat, the Buddy can be equipped with racks on the rear and the front which can carry a bit of gear. If you do use a backpack, try to find a way to rest it on the seat behind you, so you aren't supporting its weight with your shoulders.

This. Also, I totally agree with Eric about not driving a manual. UNLESS you already know how to shift a manual two-wheel vehicle WELL, you should not undertake this endeavor as a brand-new rider AND also be new to shifting.

Once you get the scooter, we can tell you how best to load it up.

There is a little room on the seat behind you to strap things. Buddy's have a pet carrier. They also have a back rack- which you can either put a top case on, or strap a milk crate to (each of those options has pros and cons). If you really want to use the space you could also put something on the floorboard, but I advise against that since you will need to move your legs around one such a long trip. I STRONGLY suggest in investing in saddle or roll bags for such a long trip- they would add to your carry capacity a lot and make you much more comfortable. You need to think about carrying, in addition to your personal things, some tools and supplies for the scoot. These Prima saddlebags are the ones I have but they aren't the only option out there.

Also, you said 65 liter backpack. I seriously hope it's waterproof. If you are in the middle of nowhere and it rains you won't have a way to cover yourself. I got mine from ebay, it's made by a brand called Overboard. It's amazing. Mine is the 25L and it's pretty big (was about $35 on ebay) They make a 60L. It's about $80 after shipping, but it would be worth it on that kind of trip.

We haven't even gotten into gear yet, but I can keep going on FANTASTIC gear suggestions and it is EXPENSIVE. Plan on spending another couple hundred, at least. And please tell me you have medical insurance. (actually, you don't need to say so on the forum... I just REALLY hope for your sake that you aren't considering such a trip without it)

I want you to be well informed and have your butt covered.

Wow LunaP thanks so much for all the suggestions and for you concern about my safety! I really do appreciate it!

I have the best health insurance I've had in years! And I'll have great auto insurance as well.

I was thinking about getting a top case, I just have to see how much it can fit. I'll must likely use the top cover or storage compartment under the seat to store tools and repair supplies.

I'm trying to avoid saddle bags because I'll doing a lot of city exploring on foot especially when I go around giving out free hugs and I want to be able to take everything with me in a without making this too complicated or hard to carry.

The bag I'm looking at has a rain cover but is not waterproof. The waterproof bags look great but don't seem to have as much storage capability as the non-waterproof ones. I'll look into more brands today though.

I figured that gear would be a whole 'nother discussion and I am prepared to spend a good amount of money on gear since I'll be carrying around my livelihood on a scooter lol.

Please make more gear suggestions if you have the time before Thanksgiving. That way I can look around on black Friday.


My friend works at a Dick's Sporting Goods store and can get me this bag for $65 http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/produ ... 19.4414973 .

It has a rain built in rain cover, but I am also thinking about buying this kind of Poncho http://www.rei.com/product/743069/outdo ... ho-56-x-94.

And waterproof bags foe extras security on my electronics. Also, I probably won't do too much riding in the rain unless I get trapped in a storm or something but that situation would only be my fault because you can usually tell when a bad storm or downfall is coming. On rainy days I'll do my best to stay inside somewhere because I'll have lots of homework to do for my online classes.

[BuddyLicious]

URAwesome,

Be sure to check out waterproof bicycle bags,there should be a decent amount of choices there.

Are you going to listen to music along the way? Just curious.

[URAwesome]

URAwesome,

Be sure to check out waterproof bicycle bags,there should be a decent amount of choices there.

Are you going to listen to music along the way? Just curious.

Hey Thanks for the suggestion BuddyLicious!

Didn't even think to look at waterproof bicycle bags. I'm planning on listening to music on the long hauls. Not in the cities. Why what's up? Do you usually listen to music when you ride?

[LunaP]

That frame pack is a tempting deal. You'll have to research the ups and downs of a frame pack vs a different pack (like the one I linked you to). I can't tell you myself because I've never really used a frame pack- my boyfriend has two for camping and he likes them, but I don't think he's ever carried them on his back on the scoot, only strapped them.

My opinion on the poncho? Pain in the ass. You can't ride with it on, it will flap around wildly and not do its job. It's an extra item that you need to spend money on and carry. If you find that to you there isn't much of a different between the frame pack and the 60Liter Overboard pack I linked you to, I'd go with that... that way, all you have to do is worry about making sure you're waterproof, and you won't have to worry about the backpack. (but that's all just IMO )

As for top cases... just make sure whichever you get is water-sealed. I have heard that some are not. I'd still encourage you to get saddlebags if you have the money- it'll give you room to store cheaper, less important things that wouldn't be likely to be stolen. Or even just trash. You never know what you'll end up toting around. Are you going to be camping with gear? Staying in hotels?

Check through general discussion, and look through some of the more recent threads on gear- protective gear, cold weather gear, etc. I can send you a pm with some suggestions and sites to look at but the best thing you can do is just read through the forum

[URAwesome]

That frame pack is a tempting deal. You'll have to research the ups and downs of a frame pack vs a different pack (like the one I linked you to). I can't tell you myself because I've never really used a frame pack- my boyfriend has two for camping and he likes them, but I don't think he's ever carried them on his back on the scoot, only strapped them.

My opinion on the poncho? Pain in the ass. You can't ride with it on, it will flap around wildly and not do its job. It's an extra item that you need to spend money on and carry. If you find that to you there isn't much of a different between the frame pack and the 60Liter Overboard pack I linked you to, I'd go with that... that way, all you have to do is worry about making sure you're waterproof, and you won't have to worry about the backpack. (but that's all just IMO )

As for top cases... just make sure whichever you get is water-sealed. I have heard that some are not. I'd still encourage you to get saddlebags if you have the money- it'll give you room to store cheaper, less important things that wouldn't be likely to be stolen. Or even just trash. You never know what you'll end up toting around. Are you going to be camping with gear? Staying in hotels?

Check through general discussion, and look through some of the more recent threads on gear- protective gear, cold weather gear, etc. I can send you a pm with some suggestions and sites to look at but the best thing you can do is just read through the forum

Hey LunaP, thanks again for your advice and suggestions my friend. I apologize for posting such a quick reply to your message. I'm running around like crazy and wanted to catch you before tomorrow. I searched through the forum for gear post and got those 2834 results lol. I'll do a better search when I settle down this weekend. Any links you could forward me would be much appreciated. Thanks again and thanks in advance! Hope you have an awesome Thanksgiving celebration!

[TVB]

I've never worn a pack that large. That includes a wilderness hiking expedition in which I carried all of my shelter, gear, and food for 10 days.

My biggest concern is that it's designed for walking, to put its weight on your hips, where that gets transmitted to your legs. But sitting on a scooter, your hips will be a few inches above the seat, and the weight will go to your butt instead, and pull back on your shoulders. In that position, the buckle will dig into your stomach. And everything above your shoulders will catch the wind.

Since you're going to have to leave the scooter unattended in populated places, I'd suggest using a lockable topcase and the pet carrier to secure as much gear as possible, and use the smallest possible backpack to carry the rest with you. Depending on what it's filled with, a pack that size is going to get heavy just walking around with it.

[LunaP]

I've never worn a pack that large. That includes a wilderness hiking expedition in which I carried all of my shelter, gear, and food for 10 days.

My biggest concern is that it's designed for walking, to put its weight on your hips, where that gets transmitted to your legs. But sitting on a scooter, your hips will be a few inches above the seat, and the weight will go to your butt instead, and pull back on your shoulders. In that position, the buckle will dig into your stomach. And everything above your shoulders will catch the wind.

Since you're going to have to leave the scooter unattended in populated places, I'd suggest using a lockable topcase and the pet carrier to secure as much gear as possible, and use the smallest possible backpack to carry the rest with you. Depending on what it's filled with, a pack that size is going to get heavy just walking around with it.

I didn't think about all that- frame pack are taller. Do you think the 60L waterproof one I posted would be better? I suggested earlier strapping whatever pack he had down on the seat behind him, rather than actually wearing it. The 60L Overboad doesn't have a set shape like the frame pack would and it would be easier to strap down, I think.

[still shifting]

A front carrier has the benefit of putting some weight where it does some good. Still you need to keep your load under the headlight. R

[TVB]

I didn't think about all that- frame pack are taller. Do you think the 60L waterproof one I posted would be better? I suggested earlier strapping whatever pack he had down on the seat behind him, rather than actually wearing it. The 60L Overboad doesn't have a set shape like the frame pack would and it would be easier to strap down, I think.

Yeah, something that shape would probably be better for riding.

[BootScootin'FireFighter]

I use an 85L hiking pack, which is mostly wayer resistant, and it sits on the foorboard. For extra piece of mind, you could always use a large industrial strength trash can liner, covering it from the top and tying it below. Pack a few extra for wear and tear.

[Hellvis]

Hey URAwesome, I have read most of the comments and I can recommend the Buddy 150. I own a BlackJack and I have used it every single day (unless if there was a thunderstore or hurricane around) and it hasn't failed me. This scoot runs reliable. I have done a run down to Key West from Hollywood, FL and the scoot didn't even struggle.

You strap on a top case on the back rack and you got good storage there and then you mount on the front rack and add another bag there, for example tools or stuff that you need handy. And there is the pet carrier with plenty of storage space.

I also would recommend to have a fuel bottle as a reverse with you, just in case you run out of fuel. I got one from Bass Pro Shop, a 1 liter fuel bottle and I keep it handy on long distance rides.

Are you new to riding or have you been riding motorcycles/scooters before, I am just wondering the experience you have with riding.

Let me know if you need some advise, I am just a bit north of you.

[URAwesome]

Hey guys sorry for the brief absence. I had to finish my finals for this semester so that I could focus all of my attention on planning this trip!!

I've decided to get a Buddy 150!! I'll be adding the front rack, back rack w/ top case and crash bars!

I have the option of keeping the standard seat or swapping it for either a low pro seat or a solo seat. I don't plan on having an passengers but I want to make sure that I have the right kind of seat for the length of this trip and for the balancing of my backpack between me and the top case.

What do you think?

Also, what are your suggestions for a full face helmet that is comfortable, provides awesome protection and is a great for the wallet as well?

Although I've said this plenty of times, I mean it each and every time. U R Awesome my friends!! I really appreciate all of your love a support!!

[siobhan]

I'd take a look at HJC. They're very good value for money. I have a CL-16 that I paid $99. That said, if it doesn't fit comfortably, you'll go crazy.
http://www.motorcyclegear.com/street/he ... types/hjc/

Another good quality for the price brand is Scorpion. Look at the EXO-400 or 700. I find I have an HJC shaped head and not so much a Scorpion shaped head.

I am of the school of you don't need to spend $600 on a lid if you don't have the money. If it's DOT and Snell 2010, then it's fine. More money (Arai, Shoei, Schuberth, Nolan) gets you less weight and better quality materials touching your skin. That said, I've travelled thousands of miles in my cheap HJC and it's been fine. And I don't feel bad when it gets gross and I buy a new one.

I don't get why you're getting a top case. Why not get a waterproof duffel to sling across the back rack. It'll give you more room unless you're worried about theft? I'm curious about your thought process on the top case.

[URAwesome]

I've never worn a pack that large. That includes a wilderness hiking expedition in which I carried all of my shelter, gear, and food for 10 days.

My biggest concern is that it's designed for walking, to put its weight on your hips, where that gets transmitted to your legs. But sitting on a scooter, your hips will be a few inches above the seat, and the weight will go to your butt instead, and pull back on your shoulders. In that position, the buckle will dig into your stomach. And everything above your shoulders will catch the wind.

Since you're going to have to leave the scooter unattended in populated places, I'd suggest using a lockable topcase and the pet carrier to secure as much gear as possible, and use the smallest possible backpack to carry the rest with you. Depending on what it's filled with, a pack that size is going to get heavy just walking around with it.

Thanks for the advice TVB!!

I either plan on carrying the pack on my back as I ride or on the floorboard and bungie it to the front of the scooter. I know that those large packs can get super heavy so I'm planning to practice packing it this week to see just how heavy it'll be before I leave.

I think I'm going to need a to carry all that I need for a year but I am considering a smaller pack so that I can carry it on to planes when I go abroad.

I'll keep you posted on my packing experiments.

[URAwesome]

A front carrier has the benefit of putting some weight where it does some good. Still you need to keep your load under the headlight. R

Thanks still shifting!
I def plan on balancing the weight on the front rack. IDK what I'll putting there yet but I'll figure it out soon.

[URAwesome]

I use an 85L hiking pack, which is mostly wayer resistant, and it sits on the foorboard. For extra piece of mind, you could always use a large industrial strength trash can liner, covering it from the top and tying it below. Pack a few extra for wear and tear.

Thanks for the suggestions BootScootin'FireFighter!

I def plan on bring trash bags to water proof my gear. How do you keep your pack in place? Bungee cords?

[URAwesome]

Hey URAwesome, I have read most of the comments and I can recommend the Buddy 150. I own a BlackJack and I have used it every single day (unless if there was a thunderstore or hurricane around) and it hasn't failed me. This scoot runs reliable. I have done a run down to Key West from Hollywood, FL and the scoot didn't even struggle.

You strap on a top case on the back rack and you got good storage there and then you mount on the front rack and add another bag there, for example tools or stuff that you need handy. And there is the pet carrier with plenty of storage space.

I also would recommend to have a fuel bottle as a reverse with you, just in case you run out of fuel. I got one from Bass Pro Shop, a 1 liter fuel bottle and I keep it handy on long distance rides.

Are you new to riding or have you been riding motorcycles/scooters before, I am just wondering the experience you have with riding.

Let me know if you need some advise, I am just a bit north of you.

Hey Hellvis!
Thanks for joining the discussion and sharing your thoughts!

How long did it take you to get down to the Keys from Hollywood?

I'm planning to get the top case, back rack, front rack, and a fuel bottle but read some negative reviews on pet carriers. Do you have one?

The Blackjack has a solo seat right? Hows that working out for you?

Also, are you down to do some scootin with me through Hollywood in mid January?

[URAwesome]

I'd take a look at HJC. They're very good value for money. I have a CL-16 that I paid $99. That said, if it doesn't fit comfortably, you'll go crazy.
http://www.motorcyclegear.com/street/he ... types/hjc/

Another good quality for the price brand is Scorpion. Look at the EXO-400 or 700. I find I have an HJC shaped head and not so much a Scorpion shaped head.

I am of the school of you don't need to spend $600 on a lid if you don't have the money. If it's DOT and Snell 2010, then it's fine. More money (Arai, Shoei, Schuberth, Nolan) gets you less weight and better quality materials touching your skin. That said, I've travelled thousands of miles in my cheap HJC and it's been fine. And I don't feel bad when it gets gross and I buy a new one.

I don't get why you're getting a top case. Why not get a waterproof duffel to sling across the back rack. It'll give you more room unless you're worried about theft? I'm curious about your thought process on the top case.

Thanks for the super quick reply siobhan!

I'll check out the link you posted after I reply to your post. I'll probably get a helmet somewhere in the middle of cheap and expensive because I don't want to worry about replacing it while I'm on the road. Especially because my non-profit has tax-exemption here in FL. so I want to buy as much gear hear as possible.

Oh and I have dreads so I'll be looking for a helmet that will provide the best fit with my growing hear.

Top case will be more for scooter tools I'll be carrying. I don't want to carry much around with me besides the backpack. And I'm definitely worried about theft. Do you know of any good security systems?

[LunaP]

Oops missed that it was posted here, I responded in the helmet thread too... but I am skeptical that you can find or fit a helmet comfortably or safely over dreads.

I'm not sure if you read or just skimmed the traffic this thread got while you were on hiatus... but the tl:dr version is don't ride with the backpack strapped to you, strap it to the scoot... even if it's behind you on your seat, bungeed to your back rack. It will GREATLY reduce stress and fatigue to not have the pack pulling on you while scooting.

I can't say yay or nay to the topcase, neither Lokky or I have one.

[Lokky]

Topcases may be great for commuting and having a secure place to put your things, but they severely limit how much your back rack can carry due to the volume limitation they introduce.
When travelling, I strap a mountaneering backpack to my backrack. This backpack fits my clothes, my tent, my sleeping pad and sleeping bag and any random bit of camping equipment I may need.
Tools and spare parts go in the glovebox and my cooler is kept well stocked and strapped to the seat behind me, doubling as a backrest.

[URAwesome]

Oops missed that it was posted here, I responded in the helmet thread too... but I am skeptical that you can find or fit a helmet comfortably or safely over dreads.

I'm not sure if you read or just skimmed the traffic this thread got while you were on hiatus... but the tl:dr version is don't ride with the backpack strapped to you, strap it to the scoot... even if it's behind you on your seat, bungeed to your back rack. It will GREATLY reduce stress and fatigue to not have the pack pulling on you while scooting.

I can't say yay or nay to the topcase, neither Lokky or I have one.

Hmmm, did you see my reply in the helmet discussion?

"Hey LunaP!

Thanks again for sharing this link btw. Just started going through your links. I'm planning to tackle one piece at a time so helmet first lol.

I wore a FF helmet when I learned to ride a motorcycle. It was a XXL and it fit pretty snug without being uncomfortable. I also checked out a few XXL at the local dealer and they seemed liked they'd be a good fit. But I def want to try out a Gmax 54s before I buy one.

It looks like such a great helmet, I'm really hoping it will fit and keep providing room as my hair grows.

If you check out this link http://www.youtube.com/user/SignOfTheDay you'll see that my dreads aren't very long. But they're puffy enough where I can't fit anything below a XXL. "

I'll be sure to send you a pic me in the FF helmet. I found a GM54S at a dealership 20 mins a way. I'll probably be wearing a hair wrap as well. I think the dreads will be a problem down the line put for now they seem fine.

I read through the comments posted about the backpack and I plan on carrying the pack on the floorboard and bunging it to the front of the scooter. I know that those large packs can get super heavy so I'm planning to practice packing it this week to see just how heavy it'll be before I leave.

I think I'm going to leave space the bag for my helmet so I have a place to put it when I'm walking around.

[URAwesome]

Topcases may be great for commuting and having a secure place to put your things, but they severely limit how much your back rack can carry due to the volume limitation they introduce.
When travelling, I strap a mountaneering backpack to my backrack. This backpack fits my clothes, my tent, my sleeping pad and sleeping bag and any random bit of camping equipment I may need.
Tools and spare parts go in the glovebox and my cooler is kept well stocked and strapped to the seat behind me, doubling as a backrest.

Hey Lokky!

I'm thinking top case more for security than storage. I'm planning to put the scooter cover under the seat and put tools in the top case. I'm pretty sure I should be able to fit everything else in to my bag. I'll find out by the end of the week and let you know. I'll also have a front rack for additional storage and I can remove the top case pretty easily if it isn't working out.

I wonder what I can use as a back rest if the backpack will be on the floorboard.

[URAwesome]

Hey I figure I'd repost this question JIC y'all didn't see it.

I have the option of keeping the standard seat or swapping it for either a low pro seat or a solo seat. I don't plan on having an passengers but I want to make sure that I have the right kind of seat for the length of this trip and for the balancing of my backpack between me and the top case.

What do you think?

[LunaP]

Topcases may be great for commuting and having a secure place to put your things, but they severely limit how much your back rack can carry due to the volume limitation they introduce.
When travelling, I strap a mountaneering backpack to my backrack. This backpack fits my clothes, my tent, my sleeping pad and sleeping bag and any random bit of camping equipment I may need.
Tools and spare parts go in the glovebox and my cooler is kept well stocked and strapped to the seat behind me, doubling as a backrest.

Hey Lokky!

I'm thinking top case more for security than storage. I'm planning to put the scooter cover under the seat and put tools in the top case. I'm pretty sure I should be able to fit everything else in to my bag. I'll find out by the end of the week and let you know. I'll also have a front rack for additional storage and I can remove the top case pretty easily if it isn't working out.

I wonder what I can use as a back rest if the backpack will be on the floorboard.

Sorry I think we were talking to each other at the same time in different threads yesterday, haha. If you can rock dreads in a helmet, do it... just be careful when they get longer. More power to you.

Sleeping bag? Cooler? Trying to think of other things you could strap down behind you.

Not sure if you're aware, but the Buddy's pet carrier has a peg underneath for hanging a helmet on. You can hang it by the D-ring, close the pet carrier and lock it, and if a thief wanted to steal the helmet they would have to cut the strap... making the helmet useless to them, not even to resell for a quick buck. You won't have to carry your helmet with you unless you feel it necessary. One of the things I love about Buddys.

I agree with the top case idea... it is a little space limiting, but the security you may need is probably worth it. There's another thread going right now about topcases, you might like to follow it: topic20663.html.

Lokky has a Stella, so he has the luxury of a locking glove box and a huge back rack- neither of which the Buddy has. That's why he's averse to topcases... he can carry anything on his rack with a bungee net. If you ask me, top cases on a Buddy are much more useful than some other scoots because of how small the rear rack is. Front rack/basket can't hurt

Speaking of which... you're getting all the trimmings... how soon are you buying your Buddy? If its this month, you could see if one of your dealers is participating in the Dressed for the Holidays promotion.

[TVB]

I'm thinking top case more for security than storage. I'm planning to put the scooter cover under the seat and put tools in the top case. I'm pretty sure I should be able to fit everything else in to my bag.

The pet carrier (as the underseat storage is jokingly known) is probably the most secure spot you'll have (aside from a bag that you take everywhere). I'd consider it safer than a topcase which can be broken into by force or removed with tools, and which also draws attention to itself. It seems a shame to "waste" that space on a scooter cover, which would also leave it empty when the cover is in use. I'd look into putting the cover in your pack (since it's relatively light for its size) or strapping it to one of the scooter racks when you aren't using it. That'd leave the pet carrier available for your heaviest and most valuable things.

[black sunshine]

let us know when you're around Atlanta . . . the Terminal Scooter Club is a bunch of super-friendly people we have meetup/rides on Sundays and meetups on Wednedays . . .

http://www.terminalsc.com (i'm kyds3k on those forums)
http://www.facebook.com/groups/96160720723/

[URAwesome]

let us know when you're around Atlanta . . . the Terminal Scooter Club is a bunch of super-friendly people we have meetup/rides on Sundays and meetups on Wednedays . . .

http://www.terminalsc.com (i'm kyds3k on those forums)
http://www.facebook.com/groups/96160720723/

Thanks for the invite Black Sushine! What's the weather like up there in early Febuary?

[URAwesome]

So pet carriers lock under the seat? Will I have space to car that and a 65L backpack on the floorboard as I ride?

Also, does anyone know how I can get in touch with Justin "Skootz"?

Thanks

[LunaP]

So pet carriers lock under the seat? Will I have space to car that and a 65L backpack on the floorboard as I ride?

Also, does anyone know how I can get in touch with Justin "Skootz"?

Thanks

65L is really big. I am not sure, tbh. You may want to stuff the backpack with a pillow or two and take it to the dealer with you, and try sitting it on the floorboard with you, on a Buddy.

My pack is 25L and I could fit it comfortably... I don't know that I'd want something bigger on the floorboard with my legs/feet on a long ride. But I move my legs around on longer rides a lot. And I don't have long legs to start with.

[uncleralph]

So pet carriers lock under the seat? Will I have space to car that and a 65L backpack on the floorboard as I ride?

"Pet carrier" is just a nick name for the built-in under-seat storage compartment. It has nothing to do with what you can carry on the floorboard.

[neotrotsky]

Just been catching up with alot of posts on here, and I just want to say it's quite an undertaking you're planning... but don't let anyone tell you it's impossible!! I like the attitude

As for the backpack issue, I'll throw my .02 cents in and agree that riding with a pack on is a bad idea. Fatigue and stress on the back from a seated position is not a good combo. It will do you some damage and wear you out. I've ridden cross country several times on a full size motorcycle, but will be doing it for the first time on a scooter this summer with a good friend to Amerivespa. And, I've found that strapping gear to the bike makes the ride alot easier.

One thing to consider is taking a few "day trips" over 100 miles every time you get a major configuration of gear figured out to test it. Just a quick 8 hour tour of something local just to see how the configuration holds up. If you need to make alterations, it's easier after a quick trip than when you're already on the road to the grand adventure and are short on resources, tools or time.

Although, I personally would not go long distance on anything but a manual shift bike, but that's a personal preference You can't go wrong with a Buddy 150

[LunaP]

Just been catching up with alot of posts on here, and I just want to say it's quite an undertaking you're planning... but don't let anyone tell you it's impossible!! I like the attitude

As for the backpack issue, I'll throw my .02 cents in and agree that riding with a pack on is a bad idea. Fatigue and stress on the back from a seated position is not a good combo. It will do you some damage and wear you out. I've ridden cross country several times on a full size motorcycle, but will be doing it for the first time on a scooter this summer with a good friend to Amerivespa. And, I've found that strapping gear to the bike makes the ride alot easier.

One thing to consider is taking a few "day trips" over 100 miles every time you get a major configuration of gear figured out to test it. Just a quick 8 hour tour of something local just to see how the configuration holds up. If you need to make alterations, it's easier after a quick trip than when you're already on the road to the grand adventure and are short on resources, tools or time.

Although, I personally would not go long distance on anything but a manual shift bike, but that's a personal preference You can't go wrong with a Buddy 150

I agree with this also.

It'd be really good for you and your Buddy to get it past it's 300 mile first service, and mostly broken in before embarking on the long haul. Good point Neotrotsky, hadn't thought of that yet.

[Hellvis]

Hey URAwesome, I have read most of the comments and I can recommend the Buddy 150. I own a BlackJack and I have used it every single day (unless if there was a thunderstore or hurricane around) and it hasn't failed me. This scoot runs reliable. I have done a run down to Key West from Hollywood, FL and the scoot didn't even struggle.

You strap on a top case on the back rack and you got good storage there and then you mount on the front rack and add another bag there, for example tools or stuff that you need handy. And there is the pet carrier with plenty of storage space.

I also would recommend to have a fuel bottle as a reverse with you, just in case you run out of fuel. I got one from Bass Pro Shop, a 1 liter fuel bottle and I keep it handy on long distance rides.

Are you new to riding or have you been riding motorcycles/scooters before, I am just wondering the experience you have with riding.

Let me know if you need some advise, I am just a bit north of you.

Hey Hellvis!
Thanks for joining the discussion and sharing your thoughts!

How long did it take you to get down to the Keys from Hollywood?

I'm planning to get the top case, back rack, front rack, and a fuel bottle but read some negative reviews on pet carriers. Do you have one?

The Blackjack has a solo seat right? Hows that working out for you?

Also, are you down to do some scootin with me through Hollywood in mid January?

Hey, yeah, the solo sit didn't work for me so I swapped it out and bought a regular black seat which works out beatiful.

I don't understand what do you mean about bad reviews on pet carrier? The pet carrier is under the seat storage on the scooter. Yes it may get warm in there from the motor but it is a good storage area.

I honestly don't remember how long it took me to get down to the keys. I went with my friends and we had a few pit stops in between. I think without stops it would be around 4 hours, just guessing.

Yeah, why not, I would be game to scoot around as long it is on the week-end. I could ask a few friends if they would like to join. Let's talk.

[black sunshine]

let us know when you're around Atlanta . . . the Terminal Scooter Club is a bunch of super-friendly people we have meetup/rides on Sundays and meetups on Wednedays . . .

http://www.terminalsc.com (i'm kyds3k on those forums)
http://www.facebook.com/groups/96160720723/

Thanks for the invite Black Sushine! What's the weather like up there in early Febuary?

there's no telling, LOL . . . i mean, it's December and i was walking around in a tshirt a few days ago!

[mrandmrslindholm]

Hi there UR,

I am looking forward to your adventures. As new rider, I live vicariously through some of the rides of the more experienced riders and will do so through your ride when you go on your adventure. I have no idea how you will ride to Sacramento, CA but if you go through the Inland Empire, we have a fun little scooter group that I am sure would love to take you on a tour of our area. You can check us out at http://www.meetup.com/The-909-Scooter-Club/. By the way, welcome to ModernBuddy too. This is a great forum.

[BootScootin'FireFighter]

How do you keep your pack in place? Bungee cords?

No need for bungees, the bag is big enough to just sit right in place upright. Just make sure the heaviest cargo is in the bottom of the bag.

[DaBinChe]

Looking at the distance you want to ride given your time line your trip is not feasible unless all you will be doing is riding day and night. Even hitting up only the capitol cities of the US will be tough. Your estimate average speed of 45mph is very optimistic, it would be wiser to say 40mph at best and as low as 30mph.

Some good ideas here many will be more burdensome then others. Less is more.

Its gonna cost a lot to transport the scoot from continent to continent, could cost as much as your scoot or more. You'll also have to get Carnet Insurance to bring a vehicle into many countries, which will cost as much if not more then your scoot.

Keep it simple stupid is my advise along with less is more.