(NSR) Can't believe I'm asking... about "Fixie" bi

[neotrotsky]

OK, so I'm on a fitness game plan to get back in shape for Amerivespa and to make sure that the next semester is set for transportation. The P200e is cool, but not all-weather and it's had it's share of snapped cables and causes of missed classes. Not hating on the awesomeness of my Vespa mind you, but never hurts to have options. That and I don't want to constantly be driving my wife's car when it's *her* car.

I've been taking the light rail from my home in Mesa to downtown Phoenix, which is about a 40 minute commute. Not bad traffic wise. The only downside is that I live 3 miles from the nearest platform, and my school is about 2 miles from a platform on the other end. Walking easily doubles my commute, and that's not cool.

So, in order to kill two birds with one stone, I've caught myself thinking about... *gulp* a non-powered bicycle.

At first I was cool with one of those cheap $129 mountain bikes. Looked at a cycle shop and encountered the other end: $2000 to $10,000 bikes with salesmen insisting that there is no good bicycle under $1,500 and if I couldn't afford that I had no 'real' interest in riding. Sheesh! Then I saw an interesting bike that looked fun: It was a Pure Fix brand "Fixie" bike. Now, I've never been one for anything popular with wannabe hipsters, but this did look sharp, and WAY lighter than I remembered my mountain bike being when I was a Freshman in college in the 90's.

The salesman was REALLY dogging on the bike, calling it "clunky" and "cheap", but just knowing what I do about motorbikes, it looked decent from the start. Not fancy mind you, but it also came with brakes (which seems to be a negative feature from the salesman's point of view, but I stopped listening to him 10 minutes prior), which other fixie bikes didn't. And, it didn't look like a bike stripped down in someone's backyard garden shed with a $800 price tag on it.

I'm not looking for anything fancy, but this looked the business, seemed light and durable and the price was closer to palatable. I know I come from a motor culture and the idea that a bicycle that costs more than a cheap car or motorbike is just foreign and disturbing, but this bike did seem far better built than the China-mart stuff.

So, any bicyclists on here have any sage advice for a casual commuter? I know we have some pretty hardcore bike riders on here, and as a motorcyclist this seemed like the more friendly spot to ask than some of the other bicycle forms (with some who have some pretty strong hate for newbies and those who aren't anti-motor it seems... Guess there's that type in any sport or hobby) $3-400 may not seem like much, but I'll be foregoing an AK-47 project to get this next semester, so I want to make sure my money is being well spent for my needs.

[ericalm]

Do you have hills there? If the answer is yes, get at least a 3-speed. I currently ride a 7-speed, which has good range for the local terrain.

My used Bianchi 18-speed is light as a feather, well made, easy to ride and cost me $125 on CL. (It didn't fit me well, so has been replaced.)

There are a lot of new bikes in the $400 and under range that will probably suit you well. As with a scooter, you should be asking yourself hope you'll use it, what you expect of it and what you absolutely need, would kind of want and can live without.

Unlike scooters, most bikes change (a bit) annually, so there's often clearance. Unfortunately, that's usually in early fall so you may have missed many good deals.

When I was bike shopping, I researched for weeks then spent a weekend driving all over LA County, test riding over a dozen bikes until I found the one that fit me, was in my budget and had the features I wanted. (Um, that's kind of how I shop for things that cost over $100…)

As far as new stuff, there are not a lot of decent quality bikes in the under-$300 range. The devil's in the components. May have a decent frame and seat, but you'll get the downmarket parts.

Also, if you do go to a geared bike, keep in mind that the gearing is not the same, so not all 3 or 7 or 10 or 18 or whatever speeds won't be equivalent.

[neotrotsky]

Do you have hills there? If the answer is yes, get at least a 3-speed. I currently ride a 7-speed, which has good range for the local terrain.

My used Bianchi 18-speed is light as a feather, well made, easy to ride and cost me $125 on CL. (It didn't fit me well, so has been replaced.)

There are a lot of new bikes in the $400 and under range that will probably suit you well. As with a scooter, you should be asking yourself hope you'll use it, what you expect of it and what you absolutely need, would kind of want and can live without.

Unlike scooters, most bikes change (a bit) annually, so there's often clearance. Unfortunately, that's usually in early fall so you may have missed many good deals.

When I was bike shopping, I researched for weeks then spent a weekend driving all over LA County, test riding over a dozen bikes until I found the one that fit me, was in my budget and had the features I wanted. (Um, that's kind of how I shop for things that cost over $100…)

As far as new stuff, there are not a lot of decent quality bikes in the under-$300 range. The devil's in the components. May have a decent frame and seat, but you'll get the downmarket parts.

Also, if you do go to a geared bike, keep in mind that the gearing is not the same, so not all 3 or 7 or 10 or 18 or whatever speeds won't be equivalent.

Well, there are zero hills in Phoenix (well, at least in the East Valley and downtown), so I'm good there which is why the "Fixie" appealed to me. I'm also using this as a chance to get in better shape as well as having something that is simple and no-nonsense. The Pure Fix bike appealed because it was an out-of-the-box basic option that looked good. I'm not too keen on accessories and bling since I'm not an avid bicyclist of any sort, and a commuter is what's on my mind.

The weight is what appealed to me. This bike was lighter than some rifles I own (Well, OK, lighter than my Armalite AR-50, which is probably going away this semester due to financial issues and the cost of shooting it) and at the price it seems smart. I know there are way lighter bikes out there, but not at a price I'm willing to pay. Weight is a factor since we live in a two-story loft apartment that starts on the 2nd floor of our building. And, on the Phoenix light rail, bike storage is via a series of roof hooks, so I have to hoist this thing up to click into those. After seeing some poor souls struggle with their bikes, I want simple, light and not alot of cables, selectors or deraliers (that is the right term, right?) hanging off to get hung up on other bikes.

But, you are correct that I do need to get my hands on more bikes to see what's what. I know zero about non-powered transport. I'm pedantic about research when it comes to anything myself to the point where it irritates my wife. But, we only get one shot at spending this kind of cash to get our lives and my education back in order, so I'm making every cent count!

[SoCalScooter]

So, any bicyclists on here have any sage advice for a casual commuter? I know we have some pretty hardcore bike riders on here, and as a motorcyclist this seemed like the more friendly spot to ask than some of the other bicycle forms (with some who have some pretty strong hate for newbies and those who aren't anti-motor it seems... Guess there's that type in any sport or hobby) $3-400 may not seem like much, but I'll be foregoing an AK-47 project to get this next semester, so I want to make sure my money is being well spent for my needs.

I'm not a super bicyclist, but when I moved from Chicago to San Diego, I brought along my old Trek 800 Singletrack (12 speed). I thought it would be fine, but here in Cali, they have geography (HILLS!)... doing 8 or 10 miles for exercise was pretty easy riding alongside Lake Michigan... (almost 0 elevation change the whole way). The same 8 or 10 mile loops here destroyed me (sore for days!).

Thought it would be easier with a road bike. I picked up a used 10 speed Nishiki off of Craigslist for a couple hundred bucks. I was wrong. The Nishiki is significantly lighter, but the gearing is very different, and much harder to pedal up a 2 mile long grade than it is on the Trek.

If all you plan to use it for is the occasional 3 mile trip to the train/bus/transit station, I'd go with a cheaper, used mountain bike (road bike would be fine if you don't have too many ups and downs). If you plan on extended use as a daily driver, you might consider investing a bit more into a "hybrid" or "commuter" style bike. You could find a really nice new commuter bike at REI or a local bike shop for $400 to $600. You could probably find a serviceable used mountain bike on CL for $200-$350.

Good luck, and happy shopping

[Syd]

Meh, you're cheap, right? (Mind you, cheap is not a bad thing in my mind.)
You're mechanically inclined, right?
Then rescue a bike and go to Goodwill or check CL. I think it's too late now, but you can also check dumpsters near campus housing areas around the end of semesters. I got myself a nice Raleigh 3-speed once in easily fixable condition once.

I road a fixie once around the block - guess I'm too old, 'cause I didn't get it. Hard to start, impossible to stop, and like you said all stripped down like the human powered version of a rat bike.

[Lil Buddy]

If you think there's a chance you'll stick to cycling for awhile, spend some money now on a good frame and basic or mid level components (I would never consider a fixie myself). A quality frame will last many years and you can always upgrade components if need be.

Bikes really are a case of getting what you pay for. If you never plan to ride more than 3-4 miles each way, an entry level bike will get you there but won't last more than a few years and replacing the components will end up costing more than the bike is worth. Spending the money on a mid level bike will get you there faster and with less effort. And hold its value better.

[neotrotsky]

If you think there's a chance you'll stick to cycling for awhile, spend some money now on a good frame and basic or mid level components (I would never consider a fixie myself). A quality frame will last many years and you can always upgrade components if need be.

Bikes really are a case of getting what you pay for. If you never plan to ride more than 3-4 miles each way, an entry level bike will get you there but won't last more than a few years and replacing the components will end up costing more than the bike is worth. Spending the money on a mid level bike will get you there faster and with less effort. And hold its value better.

I highly doubt I will pick up cycling as a sport. As a way to get in shape, yes. But as a sport I already have PLENTY of expensive hobbies that far outstrip my budget. It may not even be in constant use after this next year since I finish my degrees then and we make the decision if we're going to move. Getting a bike in conjunction with the limited layout of the light rail here is a preferred option over buying another car. If I can find ANY other job than the crap "day job" I have now, I'm going with the bike option since I don't know if we can afford the cost of another cage.

As for building one, I've thought about it. Plenty of good info out there and that's still on the table. But, as was mentioned, starting out on something with new bearings and basic components isn't a bad idea either. I do know I don't want to spend over $500 for a bike that may just end up on Craigslist in 2013 after occasional semester use.

Basic is good and if I can find durable no-frills basic, I can make that work since the biggest draw is fitness that I can squeeze into my daily commute of 5 to 10 miles a day. Before I fell ill, I made due with a $120 freeweight bench set that was lightly used and many of my friends who were into lifting said you couldn't get "real" results from a 250lb basic set. I ended up gaining 25lbs of muscle mass and reducing my fat percentage from 18.7 to 12.4 in 10 months of hard work. So, as long as I find the solid "basics", I can get the results the rest of the way.

All the info is being taken in... this is actually helpful.

[pattio]

Hello. The first thing I have to suggest, if you have not found this or been sent there already, is the website of the late Sheldon Brown. I cannot recommend a better all-around reference on bicycle repair and maintenance.

http://sheldonbrown.com/

Second, congratulations to you for being a solid consumer- you’re asking the right questions and will do fine if you continue to follow your own rules in your search.

I’m going to paraphrase now, and I hope I get it right: I’m interested in a bicycle, it appeals to me for various reasons, the sales person seems to think I shouldn’t buy it and is being a bit of a jerk. Who is right, me and my instincts, or this guy and his bike shop attitude?

Two questions there: is the bike really any good or not, and is the salesperson really giving the customer good advice or is he/she on some trip of their own?

I checked out the pure fix website, and it is my personal opinion that you should not buy one. Chinese product hipster colourwayed and slickly interwebbed. Put your money elsewhere. Your instincts telling you it looks ok? That’s where they’ve got you with their nice colors and catchy names. You wouldn’t buy a gun because the color and shape seemed to remind you of more expensive guns.

As to the salesperson, you two clearly didn’t mesh and there’s plenty of other salespeople for you to sample. I think the person was absolutely right about the clunky and cheap jabs, regardless of whether I think that kind of talk is good sales practice.

This is all without even going into the subject of should-you-ride-fixed. I’ll bore your ears till they turn black and fall off on that one.

For a point of reference, I have a Schwinn Madison purchased from a real bike shop that I think would be a great alternative to the bikes I saw on the pure website. I’ve fitted mine with a rear wheel laced up by my buddy, using a 3-speed fixed Sturmey-Archer S3X hub.

[Quo Vadimus]

Two things possibly worth mentioning:

Jeebus, are there other bike shops that sell this bike? Who would want to deal with people who really, really don't want to sell you the bike you want? And then who would want to take it back in for service (yes, you can do most if not all the service on a bicycle easily at home... but it gets to be a pain in the butt after awhile and - at least at the 'nice people' bike shop here - it's cheap to let someone else take care of it). I wouldn't buy a suit from a guy who couldn't stop insulting the way I looked in it...

Does your job have shower facilities? I only ride in the winter, and then I ride slower than I'm capable because otherwise I'd still be drenched by the time I got to work. Just something to think about when you're talking about getting in shape, getting a fixie to keep yourself challenged, etc. I still get plenty of exercise, but sometimes I need those baby gears to keep myself from arriving gross. (Even then I bring "cleansing wipes" and deodorant for the days when I'm running late and/or the snow is deep and I have to push a little harder).

[TVB]

Personally I see the "fixie" as a niche machine, something that's been overly simplified to satisfy a purist sensibility. For most of the 20th century, if you wanted a basic, reliable, inexpensive bicycle to get from A to B, you got a one-speed with freewheel pedals that allowed you to coast, and either coaster brakes or a set of handbrakes. I haven't checked the market for these lately (I last rode one during the Nixon administration) but when I was in college (Reagan administration) used ones were cheap and plentiful for my friends to buy and use, and (because they were a design that probably went back to the Hoover administration) pretty much indestructible. I'm not about to give up my ~$600 24-speed road/trail hybrid, and personally I'd want at least 3-5 gears to choose from, but if I were looking for a cheap bike to use as a healthy alternative for the last mile (or three) on either end of public transit, I'd look for a used "coastie" (as the too-cool kids are calling them these days).

[jijifer]

while fixies are simple they are a skill required to ride and stop safely. Getting a bike with brakes would be a good idea for a novice bike rider. That thing can get going at quite a clip and trying to stop it takes a lot of strength and space. If you're not a skilled cyclist yet, then that would be a down-the-road-bike I'd think.

Buy used, Bikes lose more than 50% of their value used.

Since you're in a mostly flat area and want little maintenance consider a shimano nexus hub. it's an internal hub that requires ZERO maintenance. I've been riding one for 15years - zero problems.

These hubs alone are worth about $200-$400 new depending on how many speeds. so that's why the 'new' price tags on these bikes are high. If it's that flat, you'd do good with just a 3spd. a 7spd is older so maybe cheaper. You'll find these mostly on cruisers. I used my 1997 Schwinn Cruiser 7 (first cruiser to use the nexus hub) as my sole commuter for 6 years, 2 of which was in Boulder, CO- HILLY! so it's a work horse and a real comfy ride. That particular cruiser has back-pedal brakes so even FEWER maintenance issues Cruisers, like scooters, have you sit upright so less pressure on your back. They give you a high profile thus better visibility. It's how I used a bicycle 6 years with no accidents, it's usually dudes on road bikes all hunched over that get hit! Plus with I swapped out the ballon tires with Continental Town and Country - perfect- PERFECT tire for city commuting. Wide enough that if you it a groove or object you aren't as likely to bail as on those road bike tires.

Good luck with whatever you find. Fixie wouldn't be a suggestion I'd give you if you're just starting out as a bike commuter.





Good luck!

[heatherkay]

If you're planning to ride to work on it, I'd also strongly recommend fenders. They add a little weight and hassle, but they keep you from getting stuff splattered up your back.

[Syd]

If you're planning to ride to work on it, I'd also strongly recommend fenders. They add a little weight and hassle, but they keep you from getting stuff splattered up your back.

Not to worry

[heatherkay]

Ah, but there are lots of things that can be on the road that are not rainfall.

[BuddyLicious]

neotrotsky,

Not sure what your budget is or what you want it to be but there are plenty of gas and electric set-ups for bicycles.The gas engine kits are real cheap and will go and go when done right.

Powered bicycles are not for only lazy people as you can pedal all you want. Another good thing is they can get you to your destination faster and you can travel much further.

Just a thought.

[neotrotsky]

neotrotsky,

Not sure what your budget is or what you want it to be but there are plenty of gas and electric set-ups for bicycles.The gas engine kits are real cheap and will go and go when done right.

Powered bicycles are not for only lazy people as you can pedal all you want. Another good thing is they can get you to your destination faster and you can travel much further.

Just a thought.

Well, gas-powered bikes are illegal in the city of Tempe and I believe Phoenix and in the state in general they have a less-than-positive reputation. Those little 2-stroker whizzer-like motors on bikes are known as "Tweaker Bikes" locally. They aren't registered and alot of the people who ride them tend to be associated with meth users who have had too many DUI's and cannot get a registered auto. And, you cannot bring anything fuel-powered on the train.

I've thought about the electric bikes, but when you look at the costs of the non-walmart types, I might as well buy a used 175cc Enduro or a Vino or Buddy 50. I *really* don't want to spend more than a grand on something without a motor. That just seems counter-productive. The idea of getting a bicycle is to save cash and to get in better shape. Getting an electric drive will be too tempting for me to just slack off That and loading the electric bike on the upper racks would be a nightmare....

[Wheelz]

Neo,

First, find a new bike shop, I cannot stand that attitude. There are plenty of decent bike in the 300-400$ range.
You can find a much cheaper more reliable single speed commuter that is not "fixed".
Alot of "fixed" hubs have two sides to them, one for fixed sprocket and one for a freewheel, it shouldn't cost all that much to have it converted.
If you wanted, you could get yourself a nice older road bike from CL or w/e,
and convert it to single speed. A fairly nice single speed wheel and hub set should only cost a couple hundred bucks. I have one made by Surly, and a few years ago it was under 200$.
www.surlybikes.com
Just a thought, I just recently started commuting on my single speed again, (scooter is making me fat) 10miles each way, and i love it, if only because when i get on my road bike it feels like butter

[neotrotsky]

Neo,

First, find a new bike shop, I cannot stand that attitude. There are plenty of decent bike in the 300-400$ range.
You can find a much cheaper more reliable single speed commuter that is not "fixed".
Alot of "fixed" hubs have two sides to them, one for fixed sprocket and one for a freewheel, it shouldn't cost all that much to have it converted.
If you wanted, you could get yourself a nice older road bike from CL or w/e,
and convert it to single speed. A fairly nice single speed wheel and hub set should only cost a couple hundred bucks. I have one made by Surly, and a few years ago it was under 200$.
www.surlybikes.com
Just a thought, I just recently started commuting on my single speed again, (scooter is making me fat) 10miles each way, and i love it, if only because when i get on my road bike it feels like butter

Well, there are no shortage of bike shops in the area, so I just need to get out there and see what's going on. As for cost: It seems quite easy to blow more than a grand on a "basic" bike and follow the mantra of "if you want decent, spend more money!". I get that you shouldn't skimp out on some things, but 2 to 300 just for one PART of a bicycle?!? Then there's the frame, wheels, sprokets... I've been listening to some others with advice, and it seems that if what everyone says follows true, I'm going to need to spend a grand on a bicycle that isn't going to be "crap".

Part of me wonders just what I need to peddle a few days a week.

As far as the single speed, I'm pretty cool with that idea. I'm not interested in a multi-speed road bike, and again... the simplicity is what appeals to me. A few brands have the switchable hub from fixed gear to single gear built in, so that seems like a nice feature. I don't want do-dads, fenders, flare and extra bits since I'm not out to impress or run the Ironman. Clunky is OK as long as I can lift it, and if it gets me from point a to point b, cool.

If it's going to cost me more than $700, then I say forget it. To me, that's too much for a part time bicycle for someone who isn't an enthusiast. Much like someone who's perfectly cool with a Vino 50 for runs to the 7-11, but doesn't need a GTS300 or a fully restored GS150. Part of me wonders just how much people really spend outside of the US for their daily bicycles, or if the desire to spend thousands on a human powered frame with wheels is just a consumer based US desire, much like some of Scooter and Motorcycle culture...

[monkeykat]

A lot of good advice has already been given (+1 on Sheldon Brown's site), but I'll add my 2 cents (but with inflation, it'll probably about $1.10).

I'm primarily a bike commuter (but the Stella is vying for that position). When I lived in Las Vegas, I commuted by single speed. Like Phoenix, it's relatively flat; however, don't be fooled by "flat"--sometimes those gradual hills are killer! Having a SS is nice because, like you said, it's less junk to worry about!

There are two setbacks to SS: 1) When you do need a lower gear for going uphill 2) When you realize your knees aren't happy with the situation. (Now that I'm in my mid-30's, I've found that my knees are less tolerant than they used to be. When I moved back to SF, I upgraded back to a geared bike.)

I don't think you need to spend $1000 for a bike. CL is full of bikes whose owners thought they needed that, and then realized they don't As others have suggested, shop around and test ride like crazy. I'll also suggest this website:

http://bikesdirect.com/products/road_bikes.htm
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/trackbikes.htm

They sell pretty solid bikes, both single speed and geared. I have friends who tend toward the Single Speed Motebecane, Mercier, and Windsor models. I suggest a steel frame. Some of these frames are made in the same factory as Bianchi, at least that's what I heard. (So they are the Stellas of the bike world?) At the price they sell them, you aren't going to cry if it sits in the garage. And as I said, I know people who own these bikes, and they are fairly good quality.

Less on the frame leaves more money for upgrades like a good saddle (really does matter) and good handlebars. After riding for awhile, you'll realize whether you like drops, bull, or flat bars. As another poster said, make sure you get a flip-flop hub, so that if you want freewheel, it's there (I recommend riding freewheel, not fixie, both for safety and knee health.)

I love bike commuting. Like scooting, it gives you a chance to be more connected to your surroundings, plus, you get to wake up on the way into work/school and decompress on the way home (as long as you aren't the type to get worked up about drivers). And aerobic exercise helps you learn!

Hope this helps! Sorry if I had a lot to say about it

[teabow1]

Don't overthink this relatively simple issue of using a bicycle to take you 3 miles to the station and 2 miles from station to university. Approximately $300 should be ample money to get a bicycle fit for that purpose. I don't think it's wise to spend too much more for an activity that is new and short in distance. While a fixie is workable, get one with a freewheeling hub and brakes are a must. You don't want one without a freewheel just to be cool and end up busting your knees because you don't have the muscle power and knee joint strength to stop in time.

Although a singlespeed is workable, something with simple gears is nice, especially when your legs are tired on certain days and you simply want an easier ride. Don't overthink and don't spend much more than $350ish.

Sheldon Brown is a great website. Used his site in the late 1990s to gain knowledge about touring bikes and how to commute long distance in bicycles.

[teabow1]

One more thing: getting a used bicycle is an even better proposition for your case, especially since you're new to commuting on bicycles and the journey is short. You can easily get something good for $150. Try university lists and Craigslist. While new bicycle is exciting, more important it seems in your case is actually getting out to bicycle. Save the money for your greater interest in scooters.

[teabow1]

There are two setbacks to SS: 1) When you do need a lower gear for going uphill 2) When you realize your knees aren't happy with the situation. (Now that I'm in my mid-30's, I've found that my knees are less tolerant than they used to be. When I moved back to SF, I upgraded back to a geared bike.)

I totally agree with you about non-freewheeling bikes. This became a cool thing in the mid-2000s. While primarily male youth want the coolness that goes with it, I don't think it's wise to bust ones knees just to be cool. To ride a non freewheel on the street safely, you need leg muscle power and strong joints that developed through consistent exercise over time. You shoukdnt start out on non-freewheel in the streets if you're not athletic, especially in the legs Busting joints like the knee is something that you'll pay for in your late 30s. Don't. Coolness isn't worth busting joints and developing arthritis in later years. Damaged joints come back to haunt in later years.

[2wheelNsanity]

Hello, finaly a subject I am an expert on, I've been cycling for more than 20 years now. With that said "fixed" geared bikes are an excellent and inexpensive way to get in shape. I have also lived in Pheonix before and a fixed gear would be great. Here is a link to a great bike http://www.bianchiusa.com/bikes/fixed-gear/pista/


Bike owned: 1997 Colnago Classic w/full campy record.

[neotrotsky]

Thanks for the links guys! Since I've had a full knee replacement in '04, the views on fixed gear are quite understandable And, the Bianchi connection is something I'm going to have to read up on. Got alot of studying to do on this...

[DaBinChe]

I don't recommend fixies for street use instead get a single speed with proper gearing. 2.8 ratio is good for flatter terrain without messing up your knees.

[jijifer]

While a Shimano Nexus hub costs a pretty penny they are simply amazing, nearly unbreakable and require very little maintenance. no derailleur so your chain doesn't fall off or break.and if you're lucky to find a cruiser from 97-98 it's got a backslide brake so even fewer cables. YIPPEE! Your cables aren't being used a ton. Maintenance is (with a 7 hub) setting the gear to 4 and turning this little nob until these 2 dots on the hub line up - DONE!

I bike commuted for 6 years. 10 if you count the years before I had a license and i had to ride my bike between 2 high schools and to soccer practice every day. It's not as much maintenance as your scooter. My original Trek 800 from 1988 never even had a "check up" I just rode the shit out of it until it was stolen in 1996.

Just like with scooters, bikes made in the USA or Tawaiin are better than China so stay away from any Schwinn made post 1998. Don't get something from Kmart. I'm a big fan of Electra and Public mostly because I worked with some of the best bicycle people in the world when I worked for Schwinn '97-'99 and they are designing bikes for those two companies now. Those bikes are cheap but if you get one used you'll love it!

I'd totally marry my Shimano Nexus 7 hub if it were legal. It's never let me down or hassled me in an any since we first met in 1997!

[ericalm]

While a Shimano Nexus hub costs a pretty penny they are simply amazing, nearly unbreakable and require very little maintenance. no derailleur so your chain doesn't fall off or break.

<snip>

I'd totally marry my Shimano Nexus 7 hub if it were legal. It's never let me down or hassled me in an any since we first met in 1997!

This is the one thing I missed when buying my new bike. I may upgrade to one when I get around to selling my Bianchi Boardwalk.

I test rode several bikes with the Nexus and just never found the right combo of geometry, feel, price, etc. But the shifting on those I tested—wow.

Sadly, the SoCal bike bubble was in full effect and getting a used model with the Nexus was pretty tough.

[jijifer]

While a Shimano Nexus hub costs a pretty penny they are simply amazing, nearly unbreakable and require very little maintenance. no derailleur so your chain doesn't fall off or break.

<snip>

I'd totally marry my Shimano Nexus 7 hub if it were legal. It's never let me down or hassled me in an any since we first met in 1997!

This is the one thing I missed when buying my new bike. I may upgrade to one when I get around to selling my Bianchi Boardwalk.

I test rode several bikes with the Nexus and just never found the right combo of geometry, feel, price, etc. But the shifting on those I tested—wow.

Sadly, the SoCal bike bubble was in full effect and getting a used model with the Nexus was pretty tough.

that almost looks like a BMX frame with 700cc tires. funky! one thing I hate and I don't know what this http://www.electrabike.com/Bikes/townie ... bikes-mens kind of pedal is called but it's flat footed it's short so if you try to stand up and pedal it's like swinging on a swing so high you have free fall before you catch the arc - you know that feeling? well that's what this pedal set up does. Apparently it's good on the knees but I absolutely hate the feel of this type of pedaling. HATE IT. So definitely test ride some styles and see what feels good to you.

I currently own my 1997 Schwinn Cruiser 7 and a 2009 Electra Amsterdam 8. I love both of those bikes. I'll have them FOREVER.

[Scootagangsta]

I just picked up the trek district 2011 for half off!! I've had my eye on it since it came out in 2010. Still check your local shopes for deals. My shop didn't have it in stock but ordered direct from trek and I still got the sale price. The trek district is a single speed and since i have the belt drive, it cannot be a fixie. Fyi single speed doesnt always mean its a fixed gear "fixie".
Another great trek (if I commuted by bike) is the soho.

Check them out http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/town/urban_utility

[michelle_7728]

One more thing: getting a used bicycle is an even better proposition for your case, especially since you're new to commuting on bicycles and the journey is short. You can easily get something good for $150. Try university lists and Craigslist. While new bicycle is exciting, more important it seems in your case is actually getting out to bicycle. Save the money for your greater interest in scooters.

+1

I'll bet you can find a nice mid-range to "lower" high end bike for cheap if you buy used.

[neotrotsky]

I just picked up the trek district 2011 for half off!! I've had my eye on it since it came out in 2010. Still check your local shopes for deals. My shop didn't have it in stock but ordered direct from trek and I still got the sale price. The trek district is a single speed and since i have the belt drive, it cannot be a fixie. Fyi single speed doesnt always mean its a fixed gear "fixie".
Another great trek (if I commuted by bike) is the soho.

Check them out http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/town/urban_utility

Yeaoh! $700 OTD (estimating tax for AZ) is a bit much for what I'm looking for. I'm sorry... but that is alot to spend on an occasional bike to me. Yes, the belt drive is a very interesting concept that I'm keen on learning about, but it seems a bit much for me right now, especially since I dunno if I'm actually going to take to it.

I understand that many think you cannot get a decent bicycle for under a grand, but still. It looks nice, but I'm not sure I really need whatever costs that much, or would appreciate it like I should. I know that anything from your average Wal-Mart is crap, but at the same time there must be a decent "Economy" bike that actually doesn't cost more than a mid-range laptop for work.

[neotrotsky]

Although, you guys have been MORE than helpful pointing me in the right direction and learning what questions to ask when looking at bike shops. I tried a few other bicycle-specific forums, and the response is often the same:

-"Sell the moped to get a 'real' bike"

-"If you can't afford at least 3k, then you're not serious and don't give a shit about quality. Just stick to driving a cage"

-"A 'couple of days a week' for 'fitness'? Someone like you should stick to Wal-mart"

-" *insert random brand suggested by someone else* is total crap. You need *insert another brand* or you're not serious"

-"STFU Noob"

Man... and I thought some vintage scooter guys were crusty. Makes me appreciate the response here They all seem to be so focused on being "serious" about it. I've even been chided for calling it a "commuter" bike because I'm only riding 10 miles a day!

[Syd]

Tell me if I'm wrong, Neo. You live (and will do your bicycle commuting) in an area roughly bounded by Guadalupe and McDowell, Stapley and 19th Ave. Pretty close? I'd also wager the 'Spend less than $2k on a bike and you aren't serious.' shop salesman works in a place that starts with an L. Am I psychic?

If so, and given what you originally posted about how much you would be riding, I still say if you spend more than $200, you wasted the difference.

I got a good enough Specialized at Adventure when they were still in the strip mall at Alma School and Southern. After some body ripped it off, I got a replacement Gary Fisher at Performance Bike, at Ray Rd and Kyrene. Neither cost $250. Each was a 21+ speed dual-sport like bike; human powered enduro bikes. I shoulda looked for a 5-speed.

Think of

[neotrotsky]

Tell me if I'm wrong, Neo. You live (and will do your bicycle commuting) in an area roughly bounded by Guadalupe and McDowell, Stapley and 19th Ave. Pretty close? I'd also wager the 'Spend less than $2k on a bike and you aren't serious.' shop salesman works in a place that starts with an L. Am I psychic?

If so, and given what you originally posted about how much you would be riding, I still say if you spend more than $200, you wasted the difference.

I got a good enough Specialized at Adventure when they were still in the strip mall at Alma School and Southern. After some body ripped it off, I got a replacement Gary Fisher at Performance Bike, at Ray Rd and Kyrene. Neither cost $250. Each was a 21+ speed dual-sport like bike; human powered enduro bikes. I shoulda looked for a 5-speed.

Think of

The bike shop is dead on.. The location is sorta close: Fiesta Mall district.

I'm getting a better idea of the bike I would like. I'm still interested in a single speed, not so much a "fixie". But the simplicity gives me a budget as low as $99 (yes, Wal-Mart now carries a "fixie". PBR sold separate ) and as expensive as $4,000. I'm also strongly considering the DIY route just to see if I can do it: Buying the components and then assembling the bike. I still have a few weeks, but I'm getting a slightly better idea thanks to the advice on here.

[TVB]

In your situation (and if it's the right size), I'd buy this. If you don't want to use the gears you don't have to.

[pattio]

In your situation (and if it's the right size), I'd buy this. If you don't want to use the gears you don't have to.

Whoa, look at all the stuff (fenders, rack) already on that bike. Total score if that is op's size.

BTW op, all talk about how much bikes could or should cost aside, I hope you are investing a little quality time with a tape measure and some sizing websites. The more you know about the right size for yourself, the better.

[teabow1]

Don't get something from Kmart.

Totally agree with that. As a new bicyclist, you don't want to start off with a bike that is so crappy that it needs constant fiddling around with and constant tune-ups. However, you also don't need to spend exorbitant amounts of money for a bicycle that is "good enough" and does the job of commuting well.

If you're really a total novice without idea on how to determine whether a bicycle is in good shape or not, I would go to a bicycle dealer and ask to see their used bicycles.

[Strangely enough, in Santa Cruz, California every bicycle store sells used bicycles along with new ones. However in Durham, NC and surrounding regions, I was told most bicycle dealers do not sell used bicycles. I suspect that in Santa Cruz, bicycling is much more popular and the turn-over rate for bicycles is a lot higher than it is in Durham and surrounding area where bicycling is not as popular compared to Santa Cruz. So, I hope you find a bicycle dealer who sells used bicycles!]

[teabow1]

Yeaoh! $700 OTD (estimating tax for AZ) is a bit much for what I'm looking for. I'm sorry... but that is alot to spend on an occasional bike to me. Yes, the belt drive is a very interesting concept that I'm keen on learning about, but it seems a bit much for me right now, especially since I dunno if I'm actually going to take to it.

I understand that many think you cannot get a decent bicycle for under a grand, but still. It looks nice, but I'm not sure I really need whatever costs that much, or would appreciate it like I should. I know that anything from your average Wal-Mart is crap, but at the same time there must be a decent "Economy" bike that actually doesn't cost more than a mid-range laptop for work.

As a bicycle commuter, I totally believe that you don't need to spend $1,000 for a decent bicycle for commuting. Let me say first that I have bicycle commuted (and toured) for years and my bicycle does cost more than $1,400 and because my aims were different. I was using the bicycle in place of a car so practically everything that I needed to do in a car I did on a bicycle or I used a combination of public transportation and bicycle.

That said, for purposes of just short distance commuting, you can easily get a brand new bicycle for $300 or so that would fit your needs to the T.

Did you check out Performance Bicycle? My husband is the non-bicyclist in the house. I mean, he's the one who didn't really bicycle much until we married. Seeing how often I bicycled around town (since I don't have a car) he got hooked and over the spring we went to Performance Bicycle and bought him a nice decent bicycle for $350-ish. A totally decent bicycle (of course, not as good as mine) that is great for what he needed: recreational riding which can also be for short distance commuting.

I have found that in the bicycling community, sometimes bicyclists can get so intrigued and enmeshed into the whole gear thing that we lose sight of what was the original purpose we went in bicycling for. Some have the goal of racing and that is understandably going to be more expensive than someone who wants to use a bicycle to exercise and get from A to B. Don't let all the fancy gear and gear-talk sidetrack your primary aim of getting out to exercise and do some short-distance commute.

[teabow1]

Although, you guys have been MORE than helpful pointing me in the right direction and learning what questions to ask when looking at bike shops. I tried a few other bicycle-specific forums, and the response is often the same:

-"Sell the moped to get a 'real' bike"

-"If you can't afford at least 3k, then you're not serious and don't give a shit about quality. Just stick to driving a cage"

-"A 'couple of days a week' for 'fitness'? Someone like you should stick to Wal-mart"

-" *insert random brand suggested by someone else* is total crap. You need *insert another brand* or you're not serious"

-"STFU Noob"

Man... and I thought some vintage scooter guys were crusty. Makes me appreciate the response here They all seem to be so focused on being "serious" about it. I've even been chided for calling it a "commuter" bike because I'm only riding 10 miles a day!

Yeah, ignore them : - )

In my years of bicycling, I have found out that there are several types of bicyclists and generally the ones who take bicycling as a serious transportation / commuting tool are not the loudest ones or even the greatest number.

More typically in the bicycling community, those are the ones who are interested in the thrill of riding fast, totally into getting expensive gear in order to shave off a few grammes in order to ride faster when losing human weight is going to help them ride faster than anything (but the gear thing is easier to do than losing human weight). If you go into a bicycle shop, you're going to see more items for bicyclists who are into using bicycles in an atheltic form (ie., as sports, as racing, as mountain biking, as hardcore roadie) than you are actually going to see items intended for people like me who are interested in using bicycles for serious transportation and for the occasional touring.

So, ignore those bicyclists who are into the flashy, sporty stuff. Their goals are different than yours

: - )

[jasondavis48108]

I'm also strongly considering the DIY route just to see if I can do it: Buying the components and then assembling the bike. I still have a few weeks, but I'm getting a slightly better idea thanks to the advice on here.

This is the route I went when I wanted a fixie. It's way more fun, way more personal, and generally lower on the price spectrum if you don't go crazy. I think by the time I sold it I had about $400 into it but the vast majority of that was unnecessary. It could have easily been done for about $200.

As for bike snobs, they are what they are. None of my bikes cost more than $750 and they all have several thousand miles on them. You don't need a $1500+ bike for commuting, hell most of the folks who do not race don't "need" a $1500 bike. Yes they have some awesome bikes and if you have the money and really want that then hell, go for it, but a $500-$600 bike will last you the rest of your life. My favorite bike is my Trek FX 7.3, awesome bike and it cost me $500 about 4 years ago. The bike now has about 3k miles on it and it's still my favorite.

[Wheelz]

I'm not sure if they have them in your area, but Chicago had a bike collective called Working Bikes, they would salvage old bikes repair them and shipped them to countries in Africa and all over the world so people could have a reliable way to get around.
They had a showroom of sorts where they sold the best they refurbished at really discounted rates, to help pay for the operation.
I believe the closest thing to that is called The Rusty Spoke(www.rustyspoke.org)-they seem to be a bicycle co-op located in Pheonix. If they don't sell bikes they may be able to help you put a nice commuter together for a decent price.

another that I found maybe closer to you:
www.bikesaviours.org

[SoCalScooter]

I have two bikes I don't ride very often. A Trek 800 Single Track (red, in almost brand new condition) and a Mid-to-Late 80's Nishiki 10 speed. Both function very well. The Trek was bought new many, many years ago. The Nishiki I bought a few months back and it was used at the time.

I am 5'10" and can ride both comfortably. The Nishiki has a 53cm frame I believe... The Trek is about the same size... I can verify after work if you're interested.

You want one? Come pick it up or arrange for shipping, and either one is yours. Shipping from San Diego to Mesa might be less than the purchase of a new bike. See pics attached - The trek pic is from the web, but I can send an actual pic of the Bike if you're interested

[Wheelz]

love that nishiki, nice classic style and it looks to be pretty solid. Not a huge fan of the color but, that is what were talking about, nice solid set of wheels without breaking the bank.

[SoCalScooter]

love that nishiki, nice classic style and it looks to be pretty solid. Not a huge fan of the color but, that is what were talking about, nice solid set of wheels without breaking the bank.

I fell in love with the color, which is why I bought it in the first place, and why I dubbed it "the ugly bike"!

*Edit* Of course, I'm red/green colorblind, so, go figure...

[neotrotsky]

I have two bikes I don't ride very often. A Trek 800 Single Track (red, in almost brand new condition) and a Mid-to-Late 80's Nishiki 10 speed. Both function very well. The Trek was bought new many, many years ago. The Nishiki I bought a few months back and it was used at the time.

I am 5'10" and can ride both comfortably. The Nishiki has a 53cm frame I believe... The Trek is about the same size... I can verify after work if you're interested.

You want one? Come pick it up or arrange for shipping, and either one is yours. Shipping from San Diego to Mesa might be less than the purchase of a new bike. See pics attached - The trek pic is from the web, but I can send an actual pic of the Bike if you're interested

I do appreciate the offer, but I won't be buying until the middle of next month. The holidays are a VERY tight time for us (just when everyone in the US pressures you to spend MORE money) and by the mid to end of next month the next round of grant checks hit. And, I may be getting my old job back, so that could change things.

I'm aware of the few co-ops that are around, and after the first plan to check them out. But, I may look at starting with a basic "fixie" frame (they even have basic ones at Wal-mart for $99!) and if I feel the need, upgrade components one at a time via either the co-op or crafty use of internet outlets. The one thing I don't lack is mechanical ability, and these things are dead simple machines. So, I may look at that route.

[pdxrita]

I have two bikes I don't ride very often. A Trek 800 Single Track (red, in almost brand new condition) and a Mid-to-Late 80's Nishiki 10 speed. Both function very well. The Trek was bought new many, many years ago. The Nishiki I bought a few months back and it was used at the time.

I am 5'10" and can ride both comfortably. The Nishiki has a 53cm frame I believe... The Trek is about the same size... I can verify after work if you're interested.

You want one? Come pick it up or arrange for shipping, and either one is yours. Shipping from San Diego to Mesa might be less than the purchase of a new bike. See pics attached - The trek pic is from the web, but I can send an actual pic of the Bike if you're interested

I do appreciate the offer, but I won't be buying until the middle of next month. The holidays are a VERY tight time for us (just when everyone in the US pressures you to spend MORE money) and by the mid to end of next month the next round of grant checks hit. And, I may be getting my old job back, so that could change things.

I'm aware of the few co-ops that are around, and after the first plan to check them out. But, I may look at starting with a basic "fixie" frame (they even have basic ones at Wal-mart for $99!) and if I feel the need, upgrade components one at a time via either the co-op or crafty use of internet outlets. The one thing I don't lack is mechanical ability, and these things are dead simple machines. So, I may look at that route.

Dude. Seriously. Don't fall for cheap WalMart crap. Buying any part of a bike from WalMart is the equivalent of buying a cheap Chinese scooter. Save yourself the money and trouble and either take up the SoCalScooter on his super generous offer or look for something used on Craigslist. You'll do much better than anything you can get at WalMart.

[neotrotsky]

I have two bikes I don't ride very often. A Trek 800 Single Track (red, in almost brand new condition) and a Mid-to-Late 80's Nishiki 10 speed. Both function very well. The Trek was bought new many, many years ago. The Nishiki I bought a few months back and it was used at the time.

I am 5'10" and can ride both comfortably. The Nishiki has a 53cm frame I believe... The Trek is about the same size... I can verify after work if you're interested.

You want one? Come pick it up or arrange for shipping, and either one is yours. Shipping from San Diego to Mesa might be less than the purchase of a new bike. See pics attached - The trek pic is from the web, but I can send an actual pic of the Bike if you're interested

I do appreciate the offer, but I won't be buying until the middle of next month. The holidays are a VERY tight time for us (just when everyone in the US pressures you to spend MORE money) and by the mid to end of next month the next round of grant checks hit. And, I may be getting my old job back, so that could change things.

I'm aware of the few co-ops that are around, and after the first plan to check them out. But, I may look at starting with a basic "fixie" frame (they even have basic ones at Wal-mart for $99!) and if I feel the need, upgrade components one at a time via either the co-op or crafty use of internet outlets. The one thing I don't lack is mechanical ability, and these things are dead simple machines. So, I may look at that route.

Dude. Seriously. Don't fall for cheap WalMart crap. Buying any part of a bike from WalMart is the equivalent of buying a cheap Chinese scooter. Save yourself the money and trouble and either take up the SoCalScooter on his super generous offer or look for something used on Craigslist. You'll do much better than anything you can get at WalMart.

I'm also not spending $700 for a frame and hundreds of bucks on various parts just for a quick jaunt from the train and back. As I said, even from "respected" sites many cite the frame as decent enough for a commuter. And, with the costs of some "quality" parts I can replace what is inferior and still come out ahead while learning a bit more what works and what doesn't. Much like buying a Stella and swapping out the not-so-high-end bits from Piaggio or aftermarket components.

[pattio]

I'm aware of the few co-ops that are around, and after the first plan to check them out. But, I may look at starting with a basic "fixie" frame (they even have basic ones at Wal-mart for $99!) and if I feel the need, upgrade components one at a time via either the co-op or crafty use of internet outlets. The one thing I don't lack is mechanical ability, and these things are dead simple machines. So, I may look at that route.

Dude. Seriously. Don't fall for cheap WalMart crap. Buying any part of a bike from WalMart is the equivalent of buying a cheap Chinese scooter. Save yourself the money and trouble and either take up the SoCalScooter on his super generous offer or look for something used on Craigslist. You'll do much better than anything you can get at WalMart.

I'm also not spending $700 for a frame and hundreds of bucks on various parts just for a quick jaunt from the train and back. As I said, even from "respected" sites many cite the frame as decent enough for a commuter. And, with the costs of some "quality" parts I can replace what is inferior and still come out ahead while learning a bit more what works and what doesn't. Much like buying a Stella and swapping out the not-so-high-end bits from Piaggio or aftermarket components.

I hope that your visits to some of your local co-ops are helpful and can give you some new contacts and perspectives.

Based on what I've seen here, it looks to me that your idea of 'resarching' your bicycle purchase has been to solicit the opinions of others, get opinions from people with decades worth of experience, and then argue back against those people with your plans to buy something of the lowest possible quality at the lowest possible dollar price. With a change of mindset, it is possible to pursue a high-quality product for a relatively low price. People who love bicycles would like to help you. Please let the walmart idea go.

[neotrotsky]

Dude. Seriously. Don't fall for cheap WalMart crap. Buying any part of a bike from WalMart is the equivalent of buying a cheap Chinese scooter. Save yourself the money and trouble and either take up the SoCalScooter on his super generous offer or look for something used on Craigslist. You'll do much better than anything you can get at WalMart.

I'm also not spending $700 for a frame and hundreds of bucks on various parts just for a quick jaunt from the train and back. As I said, even from "respected" sites many cite the frame as decent enough for a commuter. And, with the costs of some "quality" parts I can replace what is inferior and still come out ahead while learning a bit more what works and what doesn't. Much like buying a Stella and swapping out the not-so-high-end bits from Piaggio or aftermarket components.

I hope that your visits to some of your local co-ops are helpful and can give you some new contacts and perspectives.

Based on what I've seen here, it looks to me that your idea of 'resarching' your bicycle purchase has been to solicit the opinions of others, get opinions from people with decades worth of experience, and then argue back against those people with your plans to buy something of the lowest possible quality at the lowest possible dollar price. With a change of mindset, it is possible to pursue a high-quality product for a relatively low price. People who love bicycles would like to help you. Please let the walmart idea go.

Wow, great way to tell me what my intentions are! I NEVER knew what I really meant

I'm comparing ALL options. I just have a problem spending more on a non-motorized machine than it would cost to buy a decent used motorbike, and if the only way I can just get my feet wet in the sport is to buy only certain "quality" brands without actually seeing what the difference is simply by other people telling me what to buy then I'm not doing it.

I have also been looking at several brands listed and still chewing it over as well. But, it's easier to just jump my case because I said an option you don't like.

As I have said before, this is all great info and is pointing me in the right direction, but please don't jump my case if I explore options that you may personally not like.

[teabow1]

I'm also not spending $700 for a frame and hundreds of bucks on various parts just for a quick jaunt from the train and back. As I said, even from "respected" sites many cite the frame as decent enough for a commuter. And, with the costs of some "quality" parts I can replace what is inferior and still come out ahead while learning a bit more what works and what doesn't. Much like buying a Stella and swapping out the not-so-high-end bits from Piaggio or aftermarket components.

You certainly sound a lot more dedicated than I was when I first started to bicycle commute.

I'm not sure if "dedicated" is the right word, but what I mean is that when I first started to bicycle commute, I knew that I had absolutely no interest in tinkering with the bicycle beyond extremely simple stuff. I wasn't interested in building my own bicycle etc. I'm much more interested in using the bicycle to get from A to B. I have learn some maintenance stuff but the bulk of it I leave to the bike store.