witch gas?

issue31 · Post by **issue31** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:15 pm

Ethanol or non ethanol gas?
Here in Minnesota we have 10% ethanol in our gas.
Should this be run in a 09 125 Buddy, or maybe a 170fi? I can get premium non ethanol gas at some places out of town. Would this be better? How would premium non ethanol stand op in a 5 gal gas can during summer? Do not want to run 50 miles for gas all the time. Thanks for your advice! Issue31

kmrcstintn · Post by **kmrcstintn** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:29 am

I buy 13.5 gallons (5 gal cans x 2, 2.5 gal can x 1, 1 gal can x 1) at a time; I used to run 92 or 93 octane & recently switched to 89 octane (did some reading on this site and a few folks use 89 without problems) to feed my Buddy 125 and Buell Blast (owner's manual states 87 is ok); I treat my gas with Seafoam & Sta-bil Ethanol treatment/stabilizer and have no problems keeping gas fresh for a few months until I empty all the cans; I also do intermittent top-offs at gas stations directly into the tanks on the moto & scoot and add some Sta-Bil ethanol treatment when I return home

bigbropgo · Post by **bigbropgo** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:35 am

i think witch gas would be toxic.

viney266 · Post by **viney266** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:37 am

If I could get fuel without the E10 I would. I run race fuel in my chain saw and weed eaters JUST to keep the ethanol out of them. I keep it around for my 2 stroke trials bikes anyway.

The etahanol is crap and can cause all sorts of corrosion issues if not looked after. Star-tron, sta-bil and several others all make good "treatments" for the E10 if you have to live with it.

LunaP · Post by **LunaP** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:31 am

viney266 wrote: The etahanol is crap and can cause all sorts of corrosion issues if not looked after. Star-tron, sta-bil and several others all make good "treatments" for the E10 if you have to live with it.

Quoted for truth. If you choose to get 10% ethanol gas, or are forced to at any point, immediately get any of those fuel treatments to combat it. It may not be a bad idea to go ahead and buy a bottle just in case, because you never know.

Lostmycage · Post by **Lostmycage** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:48 am

bigbropgo wrote:i think witch gas would be toxic.

My thoughts exactly. Evil stuff!

ravenlore · Post by **ravenlore** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:37 pm

Lostmycage wrote:
bigbropgo wrote:i think witch gas would be toxic.
My thoughts exactly. Evil stuff!

Depends on what was for dinner

BuddyRaton · Post by **BuddyRaton** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:28 pm

bigbropgo wrote:i think witch gas would be toxic.

Not if you mix it with Marvel Mystery Oil

Wheelz · Post by **Wheelz** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:34 pm

How do you know it's "witch" gas?

Did it turn you into a newt?
Does it look like some?

In any case there's only one thing to do with "witch" gas, and that is BUUUUUUURN IT, BUUUUURN IT!!!!!

PeteH · Post by **PeteH** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:47 pm

Witch Gas doesn't float.

Post by **ericalm** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:09 pm

Anyone really want me to start correcting their posts for grammar, spelling and punctuation?

We have something like 5.6% ethanol in all of our gas here in CA and it doesn't cause a problem at all. I guess an extra 4.4% makes quite a difference.

ScootLemont · Post by **ScootLemont** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:39 pm

all I can get around here (Chicago area) is E10 & it has not caused me any problems

Syd · Post by **Syd** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:00 pm

Ditto AZ. We run E10 most of the winter because of the air quality issues here and corn is out of season.

bigbropgo · Post by **bigbropgo** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:58 pm

ericalm wrote:Anyone really want me to start correcting their posts for grammar, spelling and punctuation?

It would save time if you just hired me a tutor.

just my twisted mind. I saw it and didn't think bad grammar, just flatulence and sorcery might produce a inhabitable condition one might find detrimental to human survival. Zombies ain't got nothing on witch gas.

Oh nevermind, carry on.

Wheelz · Post by **Wheelz** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:24 am

Sorry Papa Smurf! I thought we were being funny, didn't mean any harm...

You too Issue31, being funny isn't very helpful to your question...

viney266 · Post by **viney266** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:56 am

ericalm wrote:Anyone really want me to start correcting their posts for grammar, spelling and punctuation?

We have something like 5.6% ethanol in all of our gas here in CA and it doesn't cause a problem at all. I guess an extra 4.4% makes quite a difference.

^^^ The problem with E10 is storage. It jams up small jets MUCH quicker than non ethanol gas, and the carbs grow an interesting green funk.

Swordsman · Post by **Swordsman** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:53 pm

ericalm wrote:We have something like 5.6% ethanol in all of our gas here in CA and it doesn't cause a problem at all.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, WHOA. You're telling me that the world capital of tree hugger environmentalists, which is sporting some of the highest population density in the US, is using LESS ethanol than the rest of us? WTF is that all about? Do as I say and not as I do?

~SM

Raiderfn311 · Post by **Raiderfn311** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:29 pm

My Buddy 150 HATED E10. It left me stranded twice because of it. No matter what gas I use, I add Stabil/Startron to each tank. Very cheap insurance against ethanil problems.

Silver Streak · Post by **Silver Streak** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:21 pm

ericalm wrote:Anyone really want me to start correcting their posts for grammar, spelling and punctuation?

Personally, I'd far rather be called on my misspellings so that I can correct them or apologize for them than to let them sit there forever as pregnant evidence of my ignorance or inattention.

Some of us care.

BuddyRaton · Post by **BuddyRaton** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:16 pm

I just couldn't answer seriously on this topic again.

synaps3 · Post by **synaps3** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:31 pm

I run the 87 grade gas out of the pump, it's 10% ethanol. Thousands of miles later on the Buddy, no issues thus far. No issues on my fuel-injected Honda PCX either, or on my 2-stroke KTM 125SX.

It'll all burn, just make sure the fuel doesn't sit for too long (per other warnings in this thread).

ScootLemont · Post by **ScootLemont** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:39 pm

Swordsman wrote:
ericalm wrote:We have something like 5.6% ethanol in all of our gas here in CA and it doesn't cause a problem at all.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, WHOA. You're telling me that the world capital of tree hugger environmentalists, which is sporting some of the highest population density in the US, is using LESS ethanol than the rest of us? WTF is that all about? Do as I say and not as I do?

~SM

probably because Calif. does not produce any Ethanol & they have to truck it in (or by train)

50CC Cape Cod · Post by **50CC Cape Cod** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:00 pm

The ethanol can really cause problems making some rubber pieces jelly like and causing them to get sticky. I found this the case in a gravity fed
fuel pump to get stuck. I use gas 93 octane and add Sta-bil to each gas up in the ratio recommended on the label. For the scooter will also give a dose of Sea-foam once in a while in place of the Sta-bil.

Post by **ericalm** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:02 pm

Swordsman wrote:
ericalm wrote:We have something like 5.6% ethanol in all of our gas here in CA and it doesn't cause a problem at all.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, WHOA. You're telling me that the world capital of tree hugger environmentalists

Dude! Oregon!

Also, we have higher fuel economy standards and stiffer air quality controls than most other states. Ethanol isn't necessarily green, it's just not gas.

BuddyRaton · Post by **BuddyRaton** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:18 pm

ericalm wrote: Ethanol isn't necessarily green, it's just not gas.

Oh I'm stealing that line!

Ethanol sucks...especially for 2T

LuvMyScoot · Post by **LuvMyScoot** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:56 pm

Wheelz wrote:How do you know it's "witch" gas?

Did it turn you into a newt?
Does it look like some?

In any case there's only one thing to do with "witch" gas, and that is BUUUUUUURN IT, BUUUUURN IT!!!!!

Ahh, but only if it weighs less than a duck!

davidscooter · Post by **davidscooter** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:40 am

I fill my Buddy 125 with 92 octane here in California. It contains a certain percentage of ethanol (more in summer, less in winter). I'm at 9400 miles, no problems yet.

LunaP · Post by **LunaP** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:09 am

davidscooter wrote:I fill my Buddy 125 with 92 octane here in California. It contains a certain percentage of ethanol (more in summer, less in winter). I'm at 9400 miles, no problems yet.

Thats interesting... is that something the gas stations do, or do you choose to get higher ethanol % in the summer? How come? Do you also use a fuel stabilizer? Just curious.