NSR - Very bad accident, group ride

gr8dog · Post by **gr8dog** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:13 pm

Lots of us participate in group rides. Even though this was motorcycles it could have easily been a scooter group ride. I ride this stretch road many times every year. As a rider I can't see how to prevent this sort of accident. I guess it is the risk we accept when we mount up on two wheels. RIP to the dead, prayers and best wishes to the injured.

http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/loc ... o-hospital

Hwarang · Post by **Hwarang** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:24 pm

Wow, that's terrible. I was expecting it to be a crash caused by the riders (I've been leery of large group rides after hearing tons of horror stories).

ThreeSheets · Post by **ThreeSheets** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:27 pm

very sad indeed

Rippinyarn · Post by **Rippinyarn** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:52 pm

That is horrible news and I'm very sad that the Michigan group's ride had to end that way. My thoughts are with the injured and the friends and family of the deceased. Terrifying and bewildering that this could happen on a lonely stretch of road with all those Harleys.

JHScoot · Post by **JHScoot** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:41 pm

I hope the driver gets the maximum penalty allowed by law, and since bygones are bygones and the damage done, I almost hope he was drunk or texting or w/e so he can go away a good long time.

Because their is no excuse for being on the road and doing that. None! Unless its car trouble of some sort? Like a blowout. Sleepy? Well, pull over.

Who the hell crosses the center line without realizing like that?

Post by **ericalm** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:38 pm

JHScoot wrote:I hope the driver gets the maximum penalty allowed by law, and since bygones are bygones and the damage done, I almost hope he was drunk or texting or w/e so he can go away a good long time.

Well… we have no idea what caused this. While there's a high likelihood alcohol or other driver behaviors are involved, sober, responsible drivers sometimes get into crashes. They sometimes cause them. I prefer to wait for more information before breaking out the pitchforks and torches. If the driver's behavior caused the crash, throw the book at him.

This is reminiscent of a 2010 crash near San Diego that killed four:
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/nov/14 ... h-20101115

The responsible driver in that crash was never found and is suspected of hiding out in Mexico.

These types of crashes are pretty rare. Riding in a group didn't contribute to the cause of the crash, just to the number of casualties.

skully93 · Post by **skully93** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:06 pm

I'm sure we've all mentally wandered a second and done something unbecoming, but I've never caused an accident by doing so.

Before we get too down on the driver, let's just pause for a second for those that were lost/hurt.

Dooglas · Post by **Dooglas** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:03 pm

Yikes! So, we should avoid riding in groups to make it harder to hit several of us at once?

gr8dog · Post by **gr8dog** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:19 pm

Dooglas wrote:Yikes! So, we should avoid riding in groups to make it harder to hit several of us at once?

I would think riding in a group makes us more visible and less likely to be hit. This is just a tragedy. Before we crucify the driver of the car for his actions lets find out the cause. It could have been mechanical failure or even medical in nature. I will be watching the local news to get updates on this story.

gr8dog · Post by **gr8dog** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:53 pm

Here is an update on the man who caused the horrific crash. I have also provided a link to the rest of the article if you are interested.

"The man has two pending criminal cases in Calumet County that involve felony bail jumping, possession of THC, possession of narcotic drugs, possession of drug paraphernalia and possession of a controlled substance, according to online court records.

He has criminal convictions on drug-related offenses and a burglary. He also has more than four operating with a suspended license traffic offenses, according to online court records."

http://www.sheboyganpress.com/article/2 ... |FRONTPAGE

Mutt the Hoople · Post by **Mutt the Hoople** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:09 pm

What a sad and horrible accident. You can't help but feel for the group of motorcyclists involved. And if the driver was texting, speeding, not paying attention, then let the law deal with him. However, sometimes terribly horrible things happen that could not have been foreseen.

I really hate to say this, but back in 1999 I was living in Cleveland and was going to drive to see some relatives in Rochester, New York before flying to NYC for a few days. I did not even get out of Cuyahoga county. I stopped to fill up at a BP station and because I wanted some coffee I paid inside. While getting my coffee I had a strange sensation that was out of the blue and unlike anything I ever had before. I doubt that it lasted two seconds. Then it was gone, like nothing at all happened. I went to the counter to pay for my purchase, reached to get my card from my wallet and I found myself staring st my card but frozen. The last thing I remember is the attendant asking me if I was okay. I came to in an ambulance with blue hands. I had a tonic clonic siezure, (they used to call them grand mal seizures) and I did not breathe for almost four and a half minutes. The attendant was very quick thinking and called 911 immediately. I had no idea what had happened. But for the grace of god I was not driving. Most times I pay at the pump. Had I done it that day, I would have been on I-90 when that happened and I still do not like to think about what could have happened. I never had a siezure in my life. Nothing in my family history. No drug or alcohol abuse. I got plenty of sleep the night before. No health issues. It came with no warning. After a battery of tests they attributed it to extreme stress. I was on anti-convulsive medication for three years, and I made some major changes in my life and how I deal with things. In Ohio there is no law that says you cannot drive after a single siezure. It only suggests that you not drive for six months, but it is voluntary. I chose to not drive for a year. I do not think I could have lived with myself had I caused an accident had I chosen to drive and had another incident. But the incident that sent me to the emergency room, I can tellnyou with the utmost honesty, I NEVER saw it coming. Had I been on the road instead of inside a gas station, it would not have been out of carelessness or negligence on my part. I am grateful that no one was hurt, and that I never had to face the responsibility for causing what could have been a horrible accident.

You just never know. So if the young man was negligent, then the law will make him deal with it. If he had something happen to him like what happened to me, he will still have to live with the consequences, which could be pretty unbearable.

michelle_7728 · Post by **michelle_7728** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:16 pm

Sadly, this type of accident (one vehicle, many PTWs) is not unheard of....

http://www.firerescue1.com/fire-ems/art ... rcyclists/

pugbuddy · Post by **pugbuddy** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:21 pm

Wow. God bless them and their families.

JHScoot · Post by **JHScoot** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:55 am

gr8dog wrote:Here is an update on the man who caused the horrific crash. I have also provided a link to the rest of the article if you are interested.

"The man has two pending criminal cases in Calumet County that involve felony bail jumping, possession of THC, possession of narcotic drugs, possession of drug paraphernalia and possession of a controlled substance, according to online court records.

He has criminal convictions on drug-related offenses and a burglary. He also has more than four operating with a suspended license traffic offenses, according to online court records."

http://www.sheboyganpress.com/article/2 ... |FRONTPAGE

Of course. Not to say he was under the influence or criminally distracted at the time....but yeah....

Mutt the Hoople · Post by **Mutt the Hoople** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:10 am

Wow. Someone who should have never been near a car. From reading that article it sounds like he should have been locked up. May he get what he deserves.

Drum Pro · Post by **Drum Pro** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:53 am

The driver of the car is some deep sheet now. Rightly so tbh.

LunaP · Post by **LunaP** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:23 am

Mutt the Hoople wrote:Wow. Someone who should have never been near a car. From reading that article it sounds like he should have been locked up. May he get what he deserves.

My ex husband worked as security at a local college- which all the students liked to shit on or make fun of, and regard as 'rent-a-cops' but since it was a state community college, their security force was run in many ways as a state trooper division.

He worked the parking deck often, and something he would run across FAR TOO FREQUENTLY was a situation where he'd run the tags to ticket them for something and find that they'd driven to school on a suspended or even revoked license. He would proceed to do his job and ticket them, absolutely ALL of them would get super bent out of shape and have a hissy because the world is so unfair and why can't they break the rules because they are special (I'm paraphrasing, of course- you don't want to hear the nonsense that was actually said) and when it comes down to it just about NOBODY realizes that driving is a god damned privilege that you have to prove your deserve, NOT a fricking personal RIGHT.

I guarantee you that guy got in that car thinking "I'm a grown man, I do what I want... nobody can stop me from driving my own damn car!"

SOMETIMES people suck. This is one of those times.

BootScootin'FireFighter · Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:07 pm

not to trump you're story, which is pretty terrifying to imagine...

here's another hazard to be aware of. This happened yesterday evening during the southbound rush.

http://www.arlnow.com/2012/06/04/seriou ... -on-i-395/

Motorcycle rider on his way home in the HOV lanes (reversable lanes seperated by a jersey wall from the main lanes), swiches from the left to right lane just as an HOV violator enters through the tiny gap in the barrier thats for state police. He comes over and t-bones the car at highway speed. I'm sure that's the last thing a rider expects, but this crap really happens. Check out the comments which made me sick as well, several witnesses stated the driver was actually looking annoyed or inconvenienced by what she caused.

Stay safe, stay visible!

Modern Buddy

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