Security Alarms / Immobilizers / Locks

Sudsie · Post by **Sudsie** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:55 am

Does anyone have any suggestions on a good alarm system for a Buddy? I am trying to find one that is motion activated using the center stand and not just the side stand. A pager seems like it would be a good idea, but is the range worth the extra money? Does anyone have any comments on a "Gorilla 2 way paging system"? Also, if it was even possible to get an immobilizer installed. Vespa's have the immobilizers inside their engines but I couldn't pay double what I paid for my Buddy. I was also thinking of getting a Onguard cable lock - Rotwiler. What are your thoughts?

Thanks

jaded · Post by **jaded** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:07 am

Grip-lock is the best kind of lock. See here.

brat · Post by **brat** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:49 pm

We use a disc brake lock. It is small and easy to use and carry. Unless you are leaving it in a bad neighborhood or out all night, not sure you need a cable lock. With a disc brake lock they have to pick it up and carry it, becuase the front wheel will nto roll very far.

bullitt.buddy · Post by **bullitt.buddy** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:21 pm

I used a cable lock for about two days, then my neighbors mountain bike was stolen. He was using something similar to what I had. You can cut a cable lock with almost no effort. I use a real heavy duty chain. To cut or break, you would need to freeze. I run it through the center stand, where there are no bolt connections only welds. Wraps around a large car port pipe. I also remove my lisence plate, beleive it or not, but those get stolen often. Hooking up and removing takes maybe 60 seconds. Piece of mind rules when you need your sleep. They have an item called the Screamer, when cut or broken, it SCREEAAMMS!!!!!! Well, hope this helps.

Late

Corsair · Post by **Corsair** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:40 pm

While looking into security options for my Buddy I came across a lock review you might find interesting: http://www.slate.com/id/2140083

I want both physical security and something to alert me that my scooter is being messed with so I'm also looking for a good alarm with a pager (alarm does me no good if I don't know it's going off). Any suggestions?

So overall for security I'm thinking: Grip Lock, Chain Lock, Alarm, and when all else fails Comprehensive insurance coverage. Put the grip lock and alarm on EVERY TIME. Physically lock the scooter up with a good chain lock if it's going to be out of my view longer than it takes for someone to load it into a truck (so I guess that's going to be d@mn near every time too)

It sucks to have to worry about so much security but I live in Detroit... nuff said

lobsterman · Post by **lobsterman** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:23 pm

Corsair wrote:...So overall for security I'm thinking: Grip Lock, Chain Lock, Alarm, and when all else fails Comprehensive insurance coverage. Put the grip lock and alarm on EVERY TIME. Physically lock the scooter up with a good chain lock if it's going to be out of my view longer than it takes for someone to load it into a truck (so I guess that's going to be d@mn near every time too)

I'll give you the same advice the officer gave me when responding to my call when my house was burglarized:

"Get a dog. Get a Rottweiler, then if somebody breaks in all you'll find is their shoes."

Chain the Rotty to the scoot. Nobody will mess with it.

JuliaGrace · Post by **JuliaGrace** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:25 pm

I don't use an alarm of any sort, but I DO use a multifaceted security system - my point being that any would-be thieves REALLY have to want my scoot:

1) Standard disc lock (which I carry under the seat and use every time I park, whether it be for 10 minutes or 3 hours)

When parked for the night in front of my apartment on the sidewalk I take additional security measures

2) Cable lock (can't think of the brand) wrapped around the scoot frame and a power pole.

3) Nelson-Rigg cover - so at least no one can see what type of scoot or motorcycle it is.

4) ANOTHER, smaller cable lock (on top of the cover) wrapped around the front just below the signal lights. This just makes it difficult for someone to steal the cover, really. My neighbor across the street had the cover stolen off his Scarabeo 150 a few weeks ago.

I know this stuff is kind of anal, but there has been at least one attempted theft of "Spike" so I'm not taking any chances.

- Julie

Corsair · Post by **Corsair** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:41 pm

JuliaGrace wrote:I
I know this stuff is kind of anal, but there has been at least one attempted theft of "Spike" so I'm not taking any chances.

- Julie

Not anal at all. I definitely believe that you should be able to KEEP what's YOURS. So hey the more protection the better. I just wish things didn't have to be this way, you know. I definitely know it's going to take me awhile to stop stressing about my scooter being safe overnight... lol.

Does anyone use an alarm for their scooter?

PS
As far as locks go, I think I'm going to go with the Kryptonite New York Lock:

BlueMark · Post by **BlueMark** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:11 am

I have a Blur - not a Buddy, but security is security.

1) Gorilla alarm wired in by my dealer.

2) Disc Lock for the front wheel - always carry it with me, use it everytime the scoot leaves my sight.

3) Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit massive chain to lock it at home to an anchor ring lag bolted through an outside wall of the house and through a steel plate on the inside. (Here's a good alternative to chaining your bike to the house).

4) Full insurance coverage.

I don't have a garage, but I've turned my covered patio into a scooter port, including putting up decorative lattice that keeps the scoot from being visible from the road.

I only know of one other scooter owner in my area - and his Metro has been stolen twice.

Paranoia is good.

I've had my alarm go off in the middle of the night a good half dozen times over 6 months. Some of those may have just been very windy weather (the alarm can be reset to less sensitive shock settings).

An active alarm system will put a drain your battery. Buy and use a battery tender.

So far I haven't felt the need to use more than the disc lock and alarm system when parking on my travels, but I do have a smaller (but still massive) chain and lock that is available for travel use.

-Mark

Corsair · Post by **Corsair** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:27 am

BlueMark wrote: 1) Gorilla alarm wired in by my dealer.

-Mark

Hey thanks for the link! That looks like a pretty good price on the Gorilla Alarm with 2-Way Paging System.

BlueMark · Post by **BlueMark** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:11 pm

Corsair wrote: Hey thanks for the link! That looks like a pretty good price on the Gorilla Alarm with 2-Way Paging System.

It is, but it is worth it to buy from your dealer if they carry it, even if you pay a few extra dollars (and you may not once you figure in shipping and handling). Especially if you need the dealer to install it for you - which I recommend unless you are an experienced wrench. It isn't that complicated, but it is worth the peace of mind to have it done professionally, and it won't cost much.

-Mark

Corsair · Post by **Corsair** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:24 pm

How much of a drain to the battery does the alarm have?

jallen013 · Post by **jallen013** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:58 pm

jaded wrote:Grip-lock is the best kind of lock. See here.

i certanly may be missing something, but it seems to me that all that's necessary to circumvent the grip lock would be a quick snip of the brake line/cable. it would surely help keep the honest people honest, but i'm not sure how far it would go in stopping (or even slowing) an actual thief.

Corsair · Post by **Corsair** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:05 pm

jallen013 wrote:
jaded wrote:Grip-lock is the best kind of lock. See here.
i certanly may be missing something, but it seems to me that all that's necessary to circumvent the grip lock would be a quick snip of the brake line/cable. it would surely help keep the honest people honest, but i'm not sure how far it would go in stopping (or even slowing) an actual thief.

I was just thinking about that. The locks main use for me would be for parking situation where I can't use the chain or for quick stops. For that use I think it's great. For longer parking or overnight security though, I'm definitely about physically locking it to something.

BlueMark · Post by **BlueMark** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:59 pm

Corsair wrote:How much of a drain to the battery does the alarm have?

Not much, the only time mine has run down was when I didn't ride for a couple of weeks and temps went down to zero. During warmer weather when I rode at least once a week the battery never lost charge.

But concern for that is why I have a battery tender, and have the peace of mind of a kick starter.

-Mark

Corsair · Post by **Corsair** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:15 pm

thanks for the reply!

soundofsingles · Post by **soundofsingles** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:14 am

I use a disc lock and an old bicycle cable lock when I'm out at night, or in the city. I've thought about an alarm and am actually glad that I didn't have one in the following story:

I was at a show at the Cat's Cradle, an awesome music venue in Chapel Hill. I wrapped the cable lock around an awning support right in front of the venue. The opening band that night was late because their van had broken down and ended up having to be towed to the venue. When I left the show that night my bike had been picked up and moved out of the way of the bands van while still chained to the pole. It was awful nice of them to gently move my buddy. It would have made every one's evening much more unpleasent if buddy had started screaming at them. Of course, on the down side a friend of a friend had his scooter stolen from his driveway a couple of blocks away a while back.

You take your chances I guess.

Corsair · Post by **Corsair** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:36 am

soundofsingles wrote:I use a disc lock and an old bicycle cable lock when I'm out at night, or in the city.

Just a note on using bicycle cable. I wouldn't recommend it. They're pretty easy for thieves to get through (as well as cheap combination/key locks). I used to live in Philly and saw many cut/broken bike cables laying along bike racks. No security is perfect but the harder you make it for them the better the chance you'll have a scooter in the morning.

Rob520 · Post by **Rob520** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:04 am

i have a Gorilla Alarm on my scoot, and it works great. It'l loud, multi funvtional, and you can have a transmitter wich notify's you if someone has touched or is trying to steal it.

Corsair · Post by **Corsair** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:41 am

Rob520 wrote:i have a Gorilla Alarm on my scoot, and it works great. It'l loud, multi funvtional, and you can have a transmitter wich notify's you if someone has touched or is trying to steal it.

Did you install it yourself or did your dealer (if so, how much did they charge you?) For that matter, has anyone installed an alarm themselves? If you have a guide/pics that would help.

ebcspace · Post by **ebcspace** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:00 am

I use a combination of the kryptonite new york noose and the faghettaboudit chain and lock, which uses the new york lock. the noose goes around the frame of the buddy on the lower left rear under the floorboard, then ends up just behind the front wheel, where it meets the faghettaboudit chain, which is looped around a large parking structure column in front of the front wheel of the buddy, and both chains are joined together with the new york lock.

previous to this, I used a cable lock, of considerable thickness, until I read the post mentioning how cable locks are no real fortress.

may your buddy be safe !

Keys · Post by **Keys** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:37 am

I am SOOOO glad I don't (and won't) live in a city. Theft of my scooter is pretty much a non-issue here...

--Keys

Corsair · Post by **Corsair** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:46 am

what have you found to be the best way to chain your scooter up? (The Kryptonite chain is pretty big)

BlueMark · Post by **BlueMark** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:44 am

Corsair wrote:what have you found to be the best way to chain your scooter up? (The Kryptonite chain is pretty big)

And heavier than a cinder block.

I have a smaller chain lock (Master) that in theory I can use for traveling, but in practice I just use my disc lock and alarm when away from home. I'll use the Master chain for overnight stays, or if I have to park at a risky location like a shopping mall. A hefty cable lock would be good too - yes they (and the smaller chains) can be cut with big bolt cutters - but hopefully parking in a very exposed public location, with an alarm that will be wailing - will deter thieves from cutting your bike loose and throwing it into a pickup truck under the eye of a security camera.

If only every business had a motorcycle parking area with something secure to lock to and video coverage. If you find any that do - make it a point to find the manager and give 'em a hug. Or something manly and equivalent.

-Mark

polianarchy · Post by **polianarchy** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:22 am

Corsair wrote:what have you found to be the best way to chain your scooter up? (The Kryptonite chain is pretty big)

That's why I got the NY Noose. I always cinch the chain tight through the loop so thieves can't use any leverage to snap the chain. I chain the floorboard to a solid object cemented into the ground, like a fence post. I chain up my scooter while I'm at work and when I'm going to be parked at a place for more than just a few minutes.

I was getting pretty anxious just leaving my scooter parked in front of my friends' house or the coffeeshop, but neither spots had safe places to lock my chain. ALSO! The other day, I walked to my garage to see that my idiot landlady or her idiot mother left the garage door wide open, ready for anyone to waltz in and wheel out my scooter, or grab my helmet! UGH!!! I recently got a disc lock off eBay. I was gonna get a grip lever lock, but they're so expensive!

Also, man...that dang ol' heavy and long chain...talk about a gigantic pain in the @$$. That, and dealing with my cover every time I ride to work are the only drawbacks to my scooter. I really am paranoid Pinky T is gonna get stolen, but not without reason. I've had so much stolen from me since I've lived in this #$!@%@#$% town.... /bitter rant

Corsair · Post by **Corsair** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:29 pm

polianarchy wrote: That's why I got the NY Noose. I always cinch the chain tight through the loop so thieves can't use any leverage to snap the chain. I chain the floorboard to a solid object cemented into the ground, like a fence post.

I was wondering if the floor board was the best way to secure the chain, thanks. How much chain length did you need?

Does anyone know where I can get a cover that I can actually lock (so that no one can just pull it off)? Also, does anyone have pics of how they secure their scooter?

BlueMark · Post by **BlueMark** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:37 pm

Corsair wrote:Does anyone know where I can get a cover that I can actually lock

What I do is put the cover on, then put the disc lock on the brake disk, tucking the edge of the cover in the slot. It doesn't perforate the fabric, and secures it whiles immobilizing the Scooter.

Of course a determined cover thief could cut it loose, but I don't think there is any cure for that.

-Mark

markontour · Post by **markontour** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:15 pm

For security when out, sometimes I remember to take the key out of the ignition.

mlee10018 · Post by **mlee10018** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:17 am

OnGuard mastiff comes with a disc lock that goes around either of the front forks and a noose to go around even a large street lamp base. I got the long version which works great and fits in the open carrier.

polianarchy · Post by **polianarchy** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:35 pm

Corsair wrote:How much chain length did you need?

I got the big one: four foot, three inches. The other one would be too short.

http://www.tonker.com/store/kryptonite_ny_noose.html

lojical1 · Post by **lojical1** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:20 am

Could someone give me some input on why one prefers a noose chain and lock over a regular chain ? What are the benefits and drawbacks and how did u decide on the one u currently own.

BlueMark · Post by **BlueMark** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:24 pm

lojical1 wrote:Could someone give me some input on why one prefers a noose chain and lock over a regular chain ? What are the benefits and drawbacks and how did u decide on the one u currently own.

The noose chain gives you almost twice the reach of a regular chain of the same length because you don't have to loop it back. These chains are massive and very heavy - so doubling your reach is a big bonus.

How you use it is you 'noose' the one end around an immovable object (like a lamp post) and then lock the other end directly onto your scooter. Or vice versa. Or you can make a small loop at the other end with the lock. With the long chain you could even lock 3 scooters together. The 'Noose' gives you lots of flexibility.

This is a very heavy massive chain, I'm guessing at least 10 lbs. It is not very portable, but necessary if you visit high crime areas or have to leave your scooter out of sight and vulnerable for long periods of time.

lojical1 · Post by **lojical1** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:45 pm

polianarchy wrote: I got the big one: four foot, three inches. The other one would be too short.

Could you possibly post a pic of how you chain up your scoot ? Visuals would really help and let me know if I'm doing it right

ebcspace · Post by **ebcspace** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:59 am

here's an example.. how i lock up the buddy.

i live in a condo, and have a car port. we have a car and two scooters.
the security of the scooters is obviously important to us.

there are two large column/posts that exist on my side of the car port structure, which i use to lock up the scooters. i picked up an extra noose chain to allow the buddy to be parked alongside the car, nose to the post, with room to walk by, and to be able to take vespa out without moving the buddy.

weaseltamer · Post by **weaseltamer** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:21 pm

this is located on the right side of the buddy, in front of the muffler. my chain (NY kryptonite brand) fits easily thru this part of the frame and leaves a good length left for me to chain it to the carport support. I don't have the noose type chain. [/img]

weaseltamer · Post by **weaseltamer** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:22 pm

sorry, didnt know how to put two pics in the same post. (forum noob!)

ebcspace · Post by **ebcspace** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:02 am

the same kind of lower frame feature also exists on the other side
of the scooter (away from the exhaust side).

of course it depends on what
you're locking to, and what side you have to park on because of available space.

for me, locking the buddy up on the exhaust side meant getting into a tight space between the buddy and a bush, and trying not to touch the exhaust while I couldn't see exactly what I was doing.

don't get me wrong... did I say I didn't enjoy getting burnt by the exhaust pipe ? brings you right into the moment !

weaseltamer · Post by **weaseltamer** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:49 am

yeah i should have mentioned, using the right side is a hair tricky, i've been burnt a few times, but i keep my leather gloves on and that helps a tremendous deal.

if you use the left side, you can use the same shape of the frame, but i find it a little more like threading a needle, for be it doesnt get done as quickly, i usually opt for the little risk of a burn. i've gotten used to doing it, and haven't burned myself recently.

lojical1 · Post by **lojical1** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:58 pm

Thank you so much ebcspace and weaseltamer! My "special" brain needed visuals to figure out how it all worked. I think I will go with the noose chain by Kryptonite. I really appreciate your input

polianarchy · Post by **polianarchy** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:24 pm

lojical1 wrote:
polianarchy wrote: I got the big one: four foot, three inches. The other one would be too short.
Could you possibly post a pic of how you chain up your scoot ? Visuals would really help and let me know if I'm doing it right

I will take pictures and post them tomorrow. I do it differently than those guys. I think their way is a tad dangerous what with all the burns and such! I also think my way is more secure, since it encompasses the entire frame of the scooter, and not just a bit of kickstand. At least, that's what the diagrams look like!

Please do remember I am a paranoid (yet dazzling) urbanite. However, as you are in Detroit (similar to Philadelphia in Fear & Loathing, yes?), you may want to consider my security tactics.

weaseltamer · Post by **weaseltamer** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:47 pm

polianarchy wrote: I also think my way is more secure, since it encompasses the entire frame of the scooter, and not just a bit of kickstand

no i don't have mine chained around the center stand or kickstand, When i bought it, i made sure to ask him what the most secure way to lock it was, and he pointed to that part of the frame.

planowayne · Post by **planowayne** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:01 pm

I park in a good area when I ride to work, I primarily lock just to keep some practical joker from pushing my bike around behind the garage to try and give me a heart attack.

I use a kryptonite cable lock, wrapped through the frame opening and then around a drain pipe in the garage.

Today, someone came up and was talking to me as I was chaining, I got a little careless, and let my left index finger make contact with the exhaust. Ouch

! Think I'm going to be in the market for a disk lock . . .

polianarchy · Post by **polianarchy** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:33 pm

As promised, photos:

I included this photo to demonstrate that I clip my cover to the area the other fellows use for securing their locks.

See how my chain is super-snug around the scooter frame? Both Kryptonite and On-Guard include sleeves to protect the chain from scratching your finish.

Always lock your scooter up to a secure object, such as a fence post. Admittedly, if a thief really wanted to steal my scooter, they could probably use tools to break the fence post.

I chose the NY Noose from Kryptonite because it allows me to cinch the chain as tight as possible around my scooter.

I took a photo to show y'all my latest "mod", my cheap-o velcroed-on digital clock from Target. Of course, it got stolen while I was grocery shopping about four hours after this photo was taken. Buncha savages in this town!

mlee10018 · Post by **mlee10018** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:01 am

This is how my onguard chain and lock work. put the noose around a pole, and chain the other end to either front fork. The forks get thicker than the lock at the tips, so even if the wheel is removed, you still can not remove the lock from the fork.

Keys · Post by **Keys** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:07 am

So Philly is the "City of Brotherly Savages", eh?

--Keys

Corsair · Post by **Corsair** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:01 am

Keys wrote:So Philly is the "City of Brotherly Savages", eh?

--Keys

Only if you knew.... Living just enough... just enough for the city

weebl · Post by **weebl** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:43 pm

I have a big heavy chain too (one of the 5' onguard locks) and it has an added bonus... if anyone tries to bother my while I'm locking up my scooter, I can just hit them with the chain. Because it weighs a ton.

I vaguely remember hearing on of our testosterone-crazed scooter club boys bragging about how he used his chain to smash in the window of a driver who cut out in front of him and almost killed him. Personally, I'm not a fan of retaliatory violence, but those chains are BEEFY.

weaseltamer · Post by **weaseltamer** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:31 am

i've got a friend that keeps saying i should get a crowbar to pull out in a bind. i support violence, but only the very nessicary type. but i was pretty irritated i almost got swiped twice today. gar!

mlee10018 · Post by **mlee10018** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:01 am

weaseltamer wrote:i've got a friend that keeps saying i should get a crowbar to pull out in a bind. i support violence, but only the very nessicary type. but i was pretty irritated i almost got swiped twice today. gar!

you need a loud horn!!!

Corsair · Post by **Corsair** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:13 am

For those of you that have either Kryptonite or OnGuard, have you used the lock as a disc lock? I read that it can be used as one. How does that work?

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