70 kit blues

mojobuddy70cc · Post by **mojobuddy70cc** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:55 am

,, it seems that i keeps hitting the magic "kit fail mark" which is 2k on this 70cc kit. it really sux,!! the dealer keeps taling w/Genuine and they keep
asking Prima?minarelli? who makes the kits.
,,well i have come to believe they are crap, sorry the day i bought one.
it is a total learning curve for everyone involved, buyer,dealer,mfgr/
no body gives the same advice and when it shits the bed, it`s the rider`s fault.
just don`t get it when it happens @ an intersection and your throttle up as was the case this time.
,Genuine is a good company but i feel they totaly dropped the ball on this one. i`m not happy. my scoot sits with the mods in the shop once again for now going on 2 weeks. ( have all chrome, front, ,etc see my post on mods)

Anachronism · Post by **Anachronism** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:21 pm

Well, which kit do you have?

My dealer tells me he had a Prima kit fail on him within 100 miles, and now he only installs Minarelli.

I installed a prima kit on mine myself. The workmanship looked fine, and it is really a simple job, so I figured I'd risk the $100. Really, if it makes it through the first 100 miles, I would expect a kit to last for quite a while ASSUMING it is tuned right.

If your kits keep failing I would be asking pointed questions to the dealer about setup and tuning.

1. How are the kits failing? If rings are breaking, I would suspect the ports have not been chamfered correctly or at all. If they are seizing, I would suspect it is being run lean or oil is insufficient.

2. Riding habits? A 20 mile ride at 55 MPH each day could be causing your pain.

3. What other mods? I don't suppose you are running the prima 5 gram rollers or something like that? If you are spinning the motor too, high, I would expect results like this.

mojobuddy70cc · Post by **mojobuddy70cc** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:54 am

from what i know minarelli makes the kits for Prima, now a Malossi kit that is a different story much better quality.
My wrist -pin broke and the rest of the is history. i usually ride/cruise about 45-50 for no more than 3-4 miles w/out a stop all city driving. also feathering the throttle not holding it long @ one speed.
as for lube i add 2oz 2t oil to the fuel in addition to what the bike/oil pumps puts out
i ride the bike about everyday m-f and ride the vespa on w/ends.
i have the carb jetted to a UNI air, a prima pipe ( which also suxIMHO), the pipe is way loud and always clog the silencer wraping, i keep cleaning it every 500mi, cutting it back., dealer does`nt know about buying just the wraping., so after reading i now know that i need to replace the entire silencer. ( unless you know where a source for it, that would be great!!)
i also think they shipped the kit w/out the pin and they might have shipped a regular pin for the kit and the pin failed. i pretty much do what the techs have passed along to the dealer.
i have put the original rollers back in scooter so as not to over rev.
i have to wonder about the carb jetting and the amount of fuel which makes a 2T run cool. the oil should have been there.
anymore ideas would be helpful
thanks

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:04 am

mojobuddy70cc wrote:from what i know minarelli makes the kits for Prima, now a Malossi kit that is a different story much better quality.

Correct, Minarelli makes the Prima kit for the 50's.

Anachronism · Post by **Anachronism** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:01 am

Do you know why the wrist pin failed? How specifically did it fail? Did it seize onto the piston?

I'm pretty familiar with high performance 2 strokes on Jet skis, a little less so with scooters. In the jet ski world, it is usually considered a beginners error to add a richer oil mixture by adding it into the tank of an otherwise unmodifed carb, because the oil displaces gasoline that the carb would meter into the engine, making the engine run lean on fuel. Lubrication may be fine, but the engine still grenades because of a lean condition causing detonation, heat, etc.

I remember a guy that was complaining about blowing a motor in a 750sx, and kept destroying motors at a faster and faster pace. Every motor he was running premix, he had a lean condition in one of the carbs which was minor to begin with but became huge when he went from 40:1 to 20:1 to try to keep the motors he kept building together.

Point is, keep in mind that when you add oil to your gas tank, you are reducing the amount of fuel that your jets will then meter. I think you need to look at your jetting, and possibly a larger carb.

mojobuddy70cc · Post by **mojobuddy70cc** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:46 am

,sage advice , but going by the Genuine tech`s rec`s on this one., after all they should know right. i was told out of 90 kits mine was the only one that failed, wellnow i`m heariing different.
, point is you sell a scooter for $2G, mod it up to be 2800$,, then bark up the tree with scooterworks ( which they own), for another $500, and you still
get your scooter sitting in the dealer shop for 2 months out of a 6 months
time you have had the bike, WTF,, i feel sooo ripped off and the dealer has`nt called this week

Dooglas · Post by **Dooglas** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:16 pm

mojobuddy70cc wrote:point is you sell (buy) a scooter for $2G, mod it up to be 2800$,, then bark up the tree with scooterworks (which they own), for another $500, and you still get your scooter sitting in the dealer shop for 2 months out of a 6 monthstime you have had the bike, WTF, i feel sooo ripped off and the dealer has`nt called this week

Well, if you are going for reliability and cost effectiveness. then buying a small engined scoot and modding the heck out of it is probably not the preferred plan. I presume you knew that before you started.

mojobuddy70cc · Post by **mojobuddy70cc** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:17 am

,,dooglas the kit was sold as not a racing kit but an "upgrade",, i think ya missed the point but then again you are a 125 4T, how would ya know the 2T world?

Anachronism · Post by **Anachronism** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:22 am

I'm not sure your expectations are correct. Hot-rodding anything almost always requires either more tinkering or more work fixing busted stuff. It's the nature of the game.

The roller rockers in my old drag car made about 25 more horsepower, but they also liked to come loose every 12,000 miles or so. If I didn't check them and run the valves at least once a year, I could expect t have a destroyed valvetrain.

My point is that I think there is a certain amount of responsibility on your end here too. It seems like you are assuming that your modified scooter will be turn key and will never ever have any quirks, which is not a good mentality- it will leave you frustrated and not riding. You need to understand how your scooter works, should work, and be checking to make sure it is actually working that way.

Making the assumption that this is an issue with running lean, I would go so far as to say that if you were regularly checking your plug, you would probably have seen evidence of this before it is too late.

I have about 500 miles on my kit, and carry a plug wrench with me so that I c an check the plug regularly- I do it every 50 miles. I also carry some jets and screwdrivers for carb adjustments, although the jets don't really seem in the ballpark for my current tune.

Point is, you are rolling around in a modified vehicle that you want to keep running, and your best defense for that is to make sure that it is actually running like it is supposed to. The shop can only do so much- they can't test ride your bike for 75 miles before handing it back to you, can they?

If you need to rely on a shop to modify your scooter, I would consider cutting your losses and buying a larger cc bike. When you factor in labor charges, you really aren't saving money going this route.

mojobuddy70cc · Post by **mojobuddy70cc** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:40 am

,,dude this is my 2nd kit, 1st shitted out, this will be almost 6 months of this shit. this kit had almost 2k on it.,,look i keep a `74 vespa going and know the plug drill, blah.blah, i`m saying this is not a racing kit, it is a "tuned kit",
but as long as it`s not being punished like a dirt bike it should roll. or it was "sold to roll", they sell these kits to "garage riders/w/ end riders" but i use my scoot daily, or i did.,,now the point is you have 500mi, just a break in and i hope ya hav`nt hit it over 35mph during this time. i did all the proper break in, oil etc.,,granted a 50cc is more dependable but i still have to ask "why do they sell kits for speed and performance and not understand that the kit they sell is less than the best quality kit, i.e. minerelli vs malossi", a malossi kit is far better all around but Genuine is in bed w/minerelli and they are chinese made, hence the bodge parts.
,, so b-4 you break out you clipboard on me i think you should do some more home work and talk to me in 1500mi, IMHO, thanks

Anachronism · Post by **Anachronism** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:53 pm

Your expectations are wrong. Nothing in your post is saying that you were actively doing something to make sure the tune is right, everything in your post is saying "increasing the displacement on an engine by 40% should present no problems over stock or require any additional work on my part because I want it to work that way."

If I was using the Prima kit and really cared about the scooter being out of commission for a week or so, I would have just bought 2 kits so I had a spare. Its not like they are expensive at $100 a piece, and if you understand the workings of the engine as you claim to, it is SIMPLE to install and takes about 1.5 hours tops.

JSharpPhoto · Post by **JSharpPhoto** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:28 pm

mojobuddy70cc wrote:,,dooglas the kit was sold as not a racing kit but an "upgrade",, i think ya missed the point but then again you are a 125 4T, how would ya know the 2T world?

in the scooterworks printed catalog, all cylinder kits are regarded as "performance kits". There is no such thing as an "upgraded cylinder kit". You can go bigger, sure, but that's not an upgrade, that's a performance mod, and all the responsibility is on you. Why would you buy a 50cc, then put enough money into it that you could have gotten a 125cc, and been a head of the game. It seems like you're making very high demands of a company that under most circumstances wrecks the curve for other companies, in terms of customer service, and when things don't go your way, you want to take your ball and go home. Quit bitching because you tried to make your underpowered (in YOUR opinion) faster, and weren't happy with the results. Stop wasting peoples time on these forums and own up to your consequences. If you're really unhappy with genuine, I'm sure there are lots of people that would buy your jacked up buddy, and you can go buy something else.

jmkjr72 · Post by **jmkjr72** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:53 pm

if you want to mod your 2 stroke buddy piss on all the crap in the scooterworks catalog and start looking for yamaha zuma parts
as the buddy is a clone of the old 2 stroke vino and the rough house is a clone of the zuma and the diffrence between the zuma and the vino is long case enigne for the zuma and short for the vino

if you want a good 70cc kit that will run strong and last look at cast iron 2 ring kits
i highly recomend the top performance trophy kit its a strong with a 14mm carb(stock zuma carb) and leo vince sp3 pipe(a touring pipe looks kinda like a stock pipe) i could hit 60 and cruise at 55 to 58 all day long

you have to look to canada or euprope for the good parts most of the parts sold in the states for tuning 50cc are crap if you dont see it on a european web site then more then likely its crap

again if you want a better pipe look for the 2 stroke vinoe pipes you may have to mod the brackets to make it fit but then again thats what i had to do for the sp3 as it is for a mulgati and not a zuma

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:00 am

jmkjr72 wrote:if you want to mod your 2 stroke buddy piss on all the crap in the scooterworks catalog and start looking for yamaha zuma parts
as the buddy is a clone of the old 2 stroke vino and the rough house is a clone of the zuma and the diffrence between the zuma and the vino is long case enigne for the zuma and short for the vino

if you want a good 70cc kit that will run strong and last look at cast iron 2 ring kits
i highly recomend the top performance trophy kit its a strong with a 14mm carb(stock zuma carb) and leo vince sp3 pipe(a touring pipe looks kinda like a stock pipe) i could hit 60 and cruise at 55 to 58 all day long

you have to look to canada or euprope for the good parts most of the parts sold in the states for tuning 50cc are crap if you dont see it on a european web site then more then likely its crap

again if you want a better pipe look for the 2 stroke vinoe pipes you may have to mod the brackets to make it fit but then again thats what i had to do for the sp3 as it is for a mulgati and not a zuma

Umm, thats not exactly true. While the Zuma and the Buddy 50 *ARE* both Minarelli horizontals, there are some differences. The main one being that the exhaust port is reversed on the Zuma. So the Buddy's pipe WON'T fit a Zuma kit. If you don't mind swapping exhausts, the Zuma has a lot of aftermarket parts. But you can use parts from *ANY* Minarelli horizontal thats *NOT* Yamaha and not have to deal with the fact that Yamaha swapped several parts to make them not compatible with the other Minarelli engines. They did the same thing to their GY6 variants as well(The Vino for instance.). The same as the 4-stroke Buddy's can use nearly any GY6 part.

mojobuddy70cc · Post by **mojobuddy70cc** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:01 am

,,well Tex i ride a vespa as well and work on it too, but i don`t see where you have anything to say about 50cc mods,i don`t claim to be a scooter tech.,, and i`m not wasteing anyone`s time, you don`t have to read my post

at least anacronsim has a 70 kit, but i can`t see one thing, it`s a thing called a 2 yr warranty and here`s the deal, i am not " own my own" the dealer sells and installs the kit and Genuine warranty`s the kit, that is from the office (HQ) and my friend here is the dealer i got it from., So when you put a kit in yourself you just voided your warranty!!, it means something to me, that is the main reason i bought a Buddy., and take my ball and go home? what are you like a kid? attacking me for my frustration.. growTF-up!
,, there are alot of 50cc Buddy owners, they deserve to hear what might happen if they don`t follow the guidelines of the warranty.,, no body knew that the prima kits were minarelli, chinese minarelli!! so that is knowlege,
,, when a company boasts about it`s fine rep, which Genuine is really great,
they put a inferior product out, everyone makes mistakes and i`m sure
they know now. I`m sure Genuine will do something but it seems like
it is less than being quick about it.

Anachronism · Post by **Anachronism** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:37 am

Who is warranting this? Everything I have seen seems very clear that adding a kit voids your warranty (at least the parts directly related to the engine kit, they can't legally void unrelated parts).

Scooterworks makes it exceptionally clear in all of their catalogs that cylinder kits are high performance parts and your warranty WILL be voided.

In my case, I knowingly voided the warranty on mine because I'd ridden it for 3,000 miles and could see that there were not any FACTORY related problems. A warranty is for factory defects, not ones caused by hot rodding parts.

Is it taking so long to get fixed because of discussions as to whether some party will cover this under a warranty? If they do cover it, I would recognize that they are going above and beyond what the terms the Genuine or Scooterworks warranty covers, and I would keep that in mind.

mojobuddy70cc · Post by **mojobuddy70cc** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:16 am

,,well take my word or not ask your dealer, it is like this:
a)the kit has to come from scooterworks sanctioned as prima
b) the kit has be installed by a Genuine dealership
, i went thru this on my first kit, which would up costing me some labor but Genuine did replace it, it had like 800mi on it when it blew.,
this kit is a new thing and in order to sell more of them and help out dealers
it made this the warranty. The dealer charges 4 hrs to remove the old head and replace/tune/jet the 70cc kit. I know i paid this.
Just ask a dealer ship, my bike was purchased in march `09 w/ the stage 1 kit on it, it came with the mods then i added the stage 2 kit.
Just ask a dealership or call scooterworks or my dealership.
although i know how to work on my bike i`m not touching it while it`s under warranty, that is the biggest selling point about the scooter to me.
,,soooo that is why i did`nt take the chance by doing it myself., now my 135 kit on vespa is a different story,,

Anachronism · Post by **Anachronism** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:05 am

I'm not saying they haven't extended a warranty to you, I am just pointing out that this is NOT the norm, and they appear to be making an exception for you.

From genuine's website:

Q: If I install performance parts on my scooter, does that void the warranty?

A: Yes

Your scooter is designed to operate reliably at the factory settings using factory components. In addition, the scooter is only EPA certified (i.e. legal to ride on the street) in stock form.

If you make modifications and/or install performance parts such as big bore cylinder kits, free-flow exhausts, and clutch kits, this not only voids the warranty, but potentially makes your scooter illegal to ride on public highways. On top of that, when you install a performance part, it usually requires additional adjustments (such as changes in the carburetor jetting) that if done incorrectly can cause extensive damage to your engine.

Scooterwork's catalog has a warranty disclaimer specifically stating that they will not cover warranty work like you are describing on every page in the high performance section of their catalog.

The only exception I have found, confirmed by speaking with my shop and from the scooterworks catalog, is that the Prima pipe may be installed by a dealer and retain the warranty, but absolutely not on the cylinder kit.

I'm not saying you are a liar, what I am saying is it sounds like you are getting service above and beyond what others around the country are getting from Genuine/our dealer already, and I would take that into consideration.

Dooglas · Post by **Dooglas** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:15 pm

Perhaps two things are getting confused here - the warranty on the (stock) scoot and any warranty on the components of the kit itself. Easy enough for the distributor to warranty the components of a kit against factory defects. That's just like a warranty on a Prima pipe against manufacturing defects such as a defective bracket. That is a whole different discussion than whether the performance kit results in damage to the scooter and who (if anyone) is responsible for that.

Wheelz · Post by **Wheelz** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:08 pm

haven't modded my rat in 6000 miles and she seems to be runnin just fine

Look mojo, you said you were trying to help by giving us information.When some one challenged your information as possibly a bit biased. You started jumping down thier throats, ie. Dooglas, wich if you took enough time to learn about the people speaking here, knows plenty about all kinds of bikes.
Information is the same as advice, you choose to accept it or don't.
so thanx for your information, and thanx to everybody that provided advice and further information.
Please keep me respectfully informed.

mojobuddy70cc · Post by **mojobuddy70cc** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:05 am

,,IMHo, this is really a 125>!@% forum, rarley do you get 50Buddy folks on here, so sure we re the little dogs of the group.,I really like anacro since he has a 70kit, he has something solid to say. as far as other people that re not owners of these types of bikes but just have a nodding acquaintese,, to me that don`t cut it.
,, i`m trying to play defense on purpose, but when the forum points fingers i wil point back for sure.
,,personaly i think 125 Buddy are ok, the ones i see here are slow, and kinda pedestrian, but hey if that is your gig fine. hence the reason people mod 125`s right?
,,soo a Buddy 50 owner that takes the dealers sell and mods his Buddy,
under warranty i might add to get some ump is a bad guy?
look i paid dealer prices because i wanted to keep my warranty, what part of that does not compute?, I`m a true blue genuine rider, but i`m not gonna take shit from them or no-one else.
,,brother i dig your rat,, i dig your dead quote,
but not letting that deal go down

Lil Buddy · Post by **Lil Buddy** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:09 am

mojobuddy70cc wrote: ,,personaly i think 125 Buddy are ok, the ones i see here are slow, and kinda pedestrian

Mojo, you confused me on that one. If you think 125's are slow, why did you get a 50?

mojobuddy70cc wrote:I`m a true blue genuine rider, but i`m not gonna take shit from them

When did Genuine give you any s%it? Seems to me that they have been extremely generous.

mojobuddy70cc · Post by **mojobuddy70cc** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:11 am

LOL,,i`ve been pretty generous w/my checkbook as well.!! i put a 135 polini kit on my vespa, not a minutes trouble and it rides the exact routes as the buddy and it is a 1974, the Buddy is a `09. now that
tells me the "prima kit" which is minarelli is shit. for a wrist it has to be quality parts., but i have covered that.
,,as for a 125 i would`nt ride one myself, i don`t have 125 religion.
i`ll ride a blackjack and spend the extra to have the 2t.
* i would also like to hear how many miles 125 kits have on them. keep in mind this is not modern vespa, where there is alot of background, this is ALL new forum jazz.,,
** p.s. Lil your stuff is way overpriced IMHo and others to

mojobuddy70cc · Post by **mojobuddy70cc** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:48 am

my buddy, the way a 50cc should look!

http://picasaweb.google.com/blips007/De ... 1312544450

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:33 pm

mojobuddy70cc wrote:LOL,,i`ve been pretty generous w/my checkbook as well.!! i put a 135 polini kit on my vespa, not a minutes trouble and it rides the exact routes as the buddy and it is a 1974, the Buddy is a `09. now that
tells me the "prima kit" which is minarelli is shit. for a wrist it has to be quality parts., but i have covered that.
,,as for a 125 i would`nt ride one myself, i don`t have 125 religion.
i`ll ride a blackjack and spend the extra to have the 2t.
* i would also like to hear how many miles 125 kits have on them. keep in mind this is not modern vespa, where there is alot of background, this is ALL new forum jazz.,,
** p.s. Lil your stuff is way overpriced IMHo and others to

Well, you better sell your 50 then, as the WHOLE motor is a Minarelli. The kit was made by the motor's manufacturer.

Sure 2t's are fun, but to call the 125 "slow" is laughable. A stock 125cc will run circles around the 70cc 2t. And a modded one will put it to shame.

I'm not knocking the 50's. They're fun. Sure 2t's are neat, and zippy, but at the end of the day its only a 70cc bike, and your expectations need to match that. Your 70cc Buddy is just never going to compete with my 161cc Buddy, and thats perfectly ok! Love it for what it is, don't go on a 125 bash-a-thon.

And if you want to know how many miles a kitted 125 will get? I'm at 25k on mine.

Simmer down a bit, man. Everyone who commented is trying to be helpful and supportive of your 70cc hard luck.

Lil Buddy · Post by **Lil Buddy** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:17 pm

mojobuddy70cc wrote:the "prima kit" which is minarelli is shit.

Are you going to have the dealer install a third kit?

mojobuddy70cc wrote:** p.s. Lil your stuff is way overpriced IMHo and others to

A little off tract but okay. Overpriced compared to what? The only other similar kits out there (that I am aware of) is the Vespa LX 150 Euro Kit for $59 plus shipping. My prices were set based on my costs, time to build, info from members here, dealers and others in the aftermarket parts industry.
If you know of a place that has the same products for cheaper, please let me know.

mojobuddy70cc · Post by **mojobuddy70cc** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:19 pm

kaos since when did PGO start contracting out to minarelli?, it has PGO on the fan cover, granted they are the same stock /models but are you sure.
a 4t is always gonna last longer than a 2t, that is a given.
gee you 125 `ers are sooo sensative, i knew that woudl get a rise,,
,,kaos you are a 4t/2t cross dresser, want it both ways bud

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:25 pm

mojobuddy70cc wrote:kaos since when did PGO start contracting out to minarelli?, it has PGO on the fan cover, granted they are the same stock /models but are you sure.
a 4t is always gonna last longer than a 2t, that is a given.
gee you 125 `ers are sooo sensative, i knew that woudl get a rise,,
,,kaos you are a 4t/2t cross dresser, want it both ways bud

I'll rephrase that then

Its a Minarelli Horizontal built by PGO. Its all designed and R&D'd by Minarelli, but PGO puts it together. All PGO's 2t's are Minarelli designed.

And yes, I love both 4t and 2t bikes, and both have their place. If there had been a 125cc 2t Buddy I would have had a hard time choosing

Honestly, with the milage I put on my Buddy (25k in a bit less than 2 years) a 4t is the best bet.

But there's something to be said for the 2t bikes. In short runs they can be wicked fast. Though siezing them scares the crap outa me. I partially siezed a heavily modded Stella once, scared the poop right outa me.

But the 4t torque..... Ok I'm done now.

mojobuddy70cc · Post by **mojobuddy70cc** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:26 pm

,, lil buddy now who is getting on the defense, look $20 of wire and a switch from radio shack does the same shit to the runner, you know that

mojobuddy70cc · Post by **mojobuddy70cc** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:31 pm

,,kaos a blackjack w/ a 21mm carb will smoke your day bud, w/out a kit

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:32 pm

mojobuddy70cc wrote:,,kaos a blackjack w/ a 21mm carb will smoke your day bud, w/out a kit

A Blackjack has a 24mm carb already. I've raced a Blackjack when they first came out and kicked their ass.

I'm faster off the line, faster acceleration, and higher top speed

Lil Buddy · Post by **Lil Buddy** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:41 pm

mojobuddy70cc wrote:,, lil buddy now who is getting on the defense, look $20 of wire and a switch from radio shack does the same shit to the runner, you know that

Are you speaking from experience? Do your deadlights function as both running lights and blinkers? Because if not, let me use your words here.... i think ya missed the point but then again you are a non deadlight working Buddy, how would ya know the working deadlight world?

What do my adapters have to do with your OP anyway?

And are you having the kit installed a 3rd time?

mojobuddy70cc · Post by **mojobuddy70cc** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:10 pm

,no more kits for me! i`m done tired of the BS and finger pointing whenit is really a matter of the quality of the kit. I know malossi riders that have no problems but then again it`s a $$ issue.
,, my brother is a EE in the air-force, we have the dead light thing covered, not to dis your groove here, i know agurl that has them and my deals says youa re way over, but hey no gave me a break on my issues.

michelle_7728 · Post by **michelle_7728** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:31 pm

mojobuddy70cc wrote:, i know agurl that has them and my deals says youa re way over,

You definitely are not speaking for everyone. I think his kits are fairly priced. Sure, if you know what you are doing, &/or you want to spend your time doing it, you can do it cheaper, but we all have our priorities with how we choose to spend our time. Life's too short to sweat the small stuff all the time...

BuddyLove · Post by **BuddyLove** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:46 pm

mojo- you kind of said it yourself. You get what you pay for. Sure the Prima kit might have been cheaper, but you have gone through 2 of them it seems.
I've got the Malossi kit and have been happy with it. That being said I have blown it up by pushing my scoot harder than I should have. Anytime you make mods you run the risk of blowing it up. Sorry you had a crappy experience and I hope it has taught you something.

mojobuddy70cc · Post by **mojobuddy70cc** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:42 am

`chelle let spike crap out on you ( and it will eventually) not to be on a pink cloud ALL scoots stop running, but hey you`re a gurl and bike shop/mechanics love to see ya comin , then it wont be " small stuff" $$
,,nice feedback on the malossi lit BTW,, what do you think happened?
time/rpms?
, dealers won`t order those `cause they can`t justify the cost to the people they sold the bikes to. cold but true
, there are alot of Buddy riders that do not know about MB, sad but true

ScooterTrash · Post by **ScooterTrash** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:13 am

mojobuddy70cc wrote:,,dooglas the kit was sold as not a racing kit but an "upgrade",, i think ya missed the point but then again you are a 125 4T, how would ya know the 2T world?

You just earned an Idiot point, why not ask me that question? I ride a "125"

mojobuddy70cc wrote:,,kaos a blackjack w/ a 21mm carb will smoke your day bud, w/out a kit

You my friend need to stay inside, the real world might scare you

mojobuddy70cc · Post by **mojobuddy70cc** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:55 am

,,Wow superfly kewl mr service -dude, so tell me how many miles on that tuned-kitty?? all this MB stuff is new relative to ( not-so modern vespa) , yes a vespa is a 2T, but i guess i need and " idiot" badge there as well. once again a "dealer" is a F-badge interms of labor.,, let that 4T crap out and let her get the labor bill$$,, parts =$,, so come clean Mr. voodoo-BS,,

nissanman · Post by **nissanman** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:04 am

I've noticed there is nothing good coming out of this thread anymore. More than a few people have tried to put it back on track, with very little success. Just goes to show that when someone's itchin' for a fight, there's gonna be a fight

mojobuddy70cc · Post by **mojobuddy70cc** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:14 am

ratt110, t/y for your NE sense it really is cool to have some see it for what it is, hats off to you, ( i used to live in MA btw),,but al said,
i had a dog in this hunt, it is what it is, but it`s not a 125 issue,,
so put those queens to bed

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:07 am

mojobuddy70cc wrote:,,Wow superfly kewl mr service -dude, so tell me how many miles on that tuned-kitty?? all this MB stuff is new relative to ( not-so modern vespa) , yes a vespa is a 2T, but i guess i need and " idiot" badge there as well. once again a "dealer" is a F-badge interms of labor.,, let that 4T crap out and let her get the labor bill$$,, parts =$,, so come clean Mr. voodoo-BS,,

Ok, F-- Mojo. You apparently know as little about 4T's as you claim we all do about 2T's. I've worked on both. So has Scootertrash. You can argue with us about lots of things, but when it comes to tuning Buddy's you're gonna loose. We have proven time and time again that we KNOW the bike. 2T, 4T, whatever. its a BUDDY.

I PERSONALLY HAVE 25,000 MILES ON MY 161cc bike. It runs BETTER now than it did when I installed it. Its not going to fail anytime soon. It gets 100 miles a day almost 7 days a week, rain sun and snow.

I'm sorry that you want to cry in your soup about your 2T kit failing. But at the end of a day, it was a PERFORMANCE upgrade! And you took a risk installing it.

If you've had more than one fail, either your dealer or yourself are doing SOMETHING WRONG!

Do your homework, read the forum, then go do it all again. I'd like to see you get helped, I generally try to help everyone on MB with tuning questions, including yourself. But you don't really seem to want to BE helped.

Lil Buddy · Post by **Lil Buddy** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:03 am

Koas, how can you even decipher what he is saying at this point?

What I find ironic is the fact that he sent me a number of PM's back in July asking for help with the electrical on his Vespa. Specificly asking me if one of my (overpriced in his words) adapters would work on it.

Mojo, like I said, you confuse me. If the 125's are to slow and "kinda pedestrian", how happy are you going to be with your unkitted 50 once its out of the shop?

Either way, I'm done here. Nissanman is right, nothing good coming from this thread anymore. I hope you get your scoot worked out. Sounds like you need to blow off some steam and go for a ride.

ScooterTrash · Post by **ScooterTrash** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:52 am

mojobuddy70cc wrote:,,Wow superfly kewl mr service -dude, so tell me how many miles on that tuned-kitty?? all this MB stuff is new relative to ( not-so modern vespa) , yes a vespa is a 2T, but i guess i need and " idiot" badge there as well. once again a "dealer" is a F-badge interms of labor.,, let that 4T crap out and let her get the labor bill$$,, parts =$,, so come clean Mr. voodoo-BS,,

I don't know how to respond to this

It looks as if you typed whatever random babble that came out of your head.

A. I have installed multiple 70 kits on buddy's (every brand) most of them being Prima. I have yet to see a failure, the shop owners wife has over 5k on hers.

B. I have 3k on my kit and other upgrades. Not only do I build and tune scooters that don't fail, I build and tune cars the same way.

C. Not all Vespa's are 2 stroke's you jackass

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:12 am

Now this is getting good

Anachronism · Post by **Anachronism** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:27 am

Kaos wrote:
mojobuddy70cc wrote:,,Wow superfly kewl mr service -dude, so tell me how many miles on that tuned-kitty?? all this MB stuff is new relative to ( not-so modern vespa) , yes a vespa is a 2T, but i guess i need and " idiot" badge there as well. once again a "dealer" is a F-badge interms of labor.,, let that 4T crap out and let her get the labor bill$$,, parts =$,, so come clean Mr. voodoo-BS,,
Ok, F-- Mojo. You apparently know as little about 4T's as you claim we all do about 2T's. I've worked on both. So has Scootertrash. You can argue with us about lots of things, but when it comes to tuning Buddy's you're gonna loose. We have proven time and time again that we KNOW the bike. 2T, 4T, whatever. its a BUDDY.

I PERSONALLY HAVE 25,000 MILES ON MY 161cc bike. It runs BETTER now than it did when I installed it. Its not going to fail anytime soon. It gets 100 miles a day almost 7 days a week, rain sun and snow.

I'm sorry that you want to cry in your soup about your 2T kit failing. But at the end of a day, it was a PERFORMANCE upgrade! And you took a risk installing it.

If you've had more than one fail, either your dealer or yourself are doing SOMETHING WRONG!

Do your homework, read the forum, then go do it all again. I'd like to see you get helped, I generally try to help everyone on MB with tuning questions, including yourself. But you don't really seem to want to BE helped.

Quoted for truth. I don't understand what the OP is looking for because everybody in this thread has given pretty reasonable advice that he comes up with reason after reason not to follow.

Can we close this one?

mojobuddy70cc · Post by **mojobuddy70cc** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:39 am

scootertrash , i`ll forgo the school-boy shit and get to the point, it`s a PGO , they are all based on a ( yamaha,etc) everything thing that came out of taiwian-on engines, ( Buddy are not as unique as we would like to think ),
a malossi kit is the best but can be broken. as any top kit with enuff stress.
-you guys try to exhalut yourselves over the common scooter person
which is total BS, when the lite of day comes you sit on the same frame.
,,as for Vespa I know ALL about how a vespa runs ( not so modern i suggest to digress to that).
personnaly i would`nt want to work on my weed-eater much less a kit mod,,fook-00
i`m dislexic

Anachronism · Post by **Anachronism** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:51 am

mojobuddy70cc wrote:scootertrash , i`ll forgo the school-boy shit and get to the point, it`s a PGO , they are all based on a ( yamaha,etc) everything thing that came out of taiwian-on engines, ( Buddy are not as unique as we would like to think ),
a malossi kit is the best but can be broken. as any top kit with enuff stress.
-you guys try to exhalut yourselves over the common scooter person
which is total BS, when the lite of day comes you sit on the same frame.
,,as for Vespa I know ALL about how a vespa runs ( not so modern i suggest to digress to that).
personnaly i would`nt want to work on my weed-eater much less a kit mod,,fook-00
i`m dislexic

Why the pissing match with everybody that wanders into your thread?

mojobuddy70cc · Post by **mojobuddy70cc** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:07 pm

anacro-it only speaks to the defensive-attitude that a "
Buddy is the best", i took the lo-road on this thread, and it went crazy, you are right it has taken a "dead-cat bounce",
,,my hope is that good will come out of this, a 50cc forum for us 50cc owners, not the 125 a-holes that this there world revolves around their crank,,it is pretty cool that this post has brought into lite the reason
scooter riders don`t always have a "smiley happy day",
but ya know i will get my Buddy fixed shit-or-shine, and i will do it on my own if need be. it is a rockin nice scoot and i love it, not a racer but a mod scoot.,,very interesting to see how the 125 group "gang-bang`ed" the 50cc rider. i say say fook-them, this is not about them but they seems to drag their issues into this, i would like to see pics of their finger nails ,,lol

mojobuddy70cc · Post by **mojobuddy70cc** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:15 pm

Scootertrash you are a Dealer you sell Kits so why would you say anything less than ++, Fook-U on the vespa snipe, you know nothing about a `74 smallie asshole,,and your wife rides like a gurl, not everyone fucks the owner

jasondavis48108 · Post by **jasondavis48108** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:17 pm

yikes, things get pretty heated sometime. Maybe if I print out this thread and carry it with me on my morning commute then I won't need to wear two pair of gloves

I'm certainly no expert so I generally default to my dealer on these sorts of issues since they are awesome

I was seriously thinking about the stage two kit and my dealer basically broke it down like this. Modding your scooter will never make it "better" it may make it "more fun" but there really is no such thing as an upgrade in terms of reliability and performance. I think I've decided to go with the stage 1 kit minus the prima rollers until I can get another scooter as my daily driver and then I will play this the 50 and make it my "more fun" scooter