Juicy Rumors and Voodoo Parts

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Sat May 16, 2009 2:24 am

So I've got a whole pile of jucy rumors for you all from a reliable source.

First off, the Blur is coming back. And this time its a 220cc Fuel Injected beast.

The Buddy 125cc is going to be dropped, but we're going to gain a Buddy 175cc. So it'll be a 50cc, 150cc, and 175cc.

There is going to be a 300cc retroish bike similar to a large Buddy with 14 inch wheels designed to compete with the Citycom and Vespa GTS.

Again, these were told to me by a source I trust that says he got them strait from Genuine.

Also, apparently the new 4T Stella has been able to reach 140MPG.

And finally some Voodoo news:

I was browsing the new Scooterworks catalog at my dealer, and there is listed a 183cc kit that fits both the 125 and the 150. If I remember right, it was a 60mm jug and a 79mm crank.

Let the speculation begin!

r0sa · Post by **r0sa** » Sat May 16, 2009 2:27 am

these are some good juicy rumors!!!

Lostmycage · Post by **Lostmycage** » Sat May 16, 2009 2:28 am

That's certainly juicy.

jrsjr · Post by **jrsjr** » Sat May 16, 2009 4:13 am

Kaos wrote:...there is listed a 183cc kit that fits both the 125 and the 150. If I remember right, it was a 60mm jug and a 79mm crank.

Man, I hope you remember right, because that works out to 224 cc.

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Sat May 16, 2009 4:15 am

jrsjr wrote:
Kaos wrote:...there is listed a 183cc kit that fits both the 125 and the 150. If I remember right, it was a 60mm jug and a 79mm crank.
Man, I hope you remember right, because that works out to 224 cc.

Hmm, I think I must have that wrong then

I *KNOW* it was listed as 183cc, and that the jug is 60mm. I just wasn't sure on the crank. apperently it wasn't 79mm

I only took a quick look at it as I was browsing the NCY heads.

ScooterTrash · Post by **ScooterTrash** » Sat May 16, 2009 5:16 am

Lostmycage · Post by **Lostmycage** » Sat May 16, 2009 5:16 am

With a 60mm bore, you'd need a 65mm stroke.

I'd totally buy that.

KRUSTYburger · Post by **KRUSTYburger** » Sat May 16, 2009 5:26 am

They should drop the 150 rather than the 125 imo. 50, 125, 175. Either way, that's cool.

I still can't wait to see this rumored 300cc retro scoot and I know a lot of people that will go for a beefed-up efi Blur!

Post by **ericalm** » Sat May 16, 2009 5:52 am

You should listen to the Philip McCaleb interview on JustGottaScoot if you haven't already. He talks about some of this.

He made it pretty clear the Blur is not coming back any time soon but that they are doing something with the EFI engine. He also said they wanted to add a sport scooter to the lineup.

The retro 270cc-ish scoot isn't going to to look like a large Buddy. It's a totally new design. Also, it's going to have large—16" maybe—wheels. Something totally new, the first scoot designed by Genuine. (I haven't seen it yet, but have heard a lot about it.)

NCY cylinder kit for the 150: 62mm with a 60.6mm performance crank for a 183cc.
Oddly, there's also a 163cc kit.

Also coming: a couple performance cylinder heads for the 150, including a 4-valve.

Lostmycage · Post by **Lostmycage** » Sat May 16, 2009 6:03 am

Still won't believe a thing until I see it, but that's just silly ole me.

I hope they come up with something soon, I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on a Citycom so my wife and I can ride together comfortably.

Syd · Post by **Syd** » Sat May 16, 2009 6:11 am

Edited because I'm a dweeb and got my threads mixed up.

UnionZac · Post by **UnionZac** » Sat May 16, 2009 6:58 am

does someone have any space-age containers? Cause this juice need some packaging fo real!

ScootStevie · Post by **ScootStevie** » Sat May 16, 2009 7:47 am

I like my 125...think its a perfect size.

babblefish · Post by **babblefish** » Sat May 16, 2009 10:15 am

I certainly hope a sport scoot is in Genuine's future because that's the only type of scoot I'd ever buy.

jasondavis48108 · Post by **jasondavis48108** » Sat May 16, 2009 11:19 am

wow! I was just talking with my wife about the fact that I wished Genuine would make something closer to a 250. Next spring I'll be in the market for a 250ish either scoot or motorcycle, if genuine has a 270 scoot then that will seal the deal. otherwise I have to decide weather to shell out over 5Gs for the GTS or go the Suzuki TU250 route. Guess I'll have to start an alter to the scooter gods and hope that Genuine really makes good on this big scoot, oh, and that if they do it's not ugly or rediculously over priced:)

Coffeejunkie · Post by **Coffeejunkie** » Sat May 16, 2009 12:08 pm

Gah rumors like this make me want to buy more scooters, and I just started riding only a few months ago.

I think I may already be getting into the more advanced stages of Scooteritis. I fear that in only a matter of years I'll wake up to find myself living in a garage surrounded by what I refer to as my babies.

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Sat May 16, 2009 3:06 pm

ericalm wrote:You should listen to the Philip McCaleb interview on JustGottaScoot if you haven't already. He talks about some of this.

He made it pretty clear the Blur is not coming back any time soon but that they are doing something with the EFI engine. He also said they wanted to add a sport scooter to the lineup.

The retro 270cc-ish scoot isn't going to to look like a large Buddy. It's a totally new design. Also, it's going to have large—16" maybe—wheels. Something totally new, the first scoot designed by Genuine. (I haven't seen it yet, but have heard a lot about it.)

NCY cylinder kit for the 150: 62mm with a 60.6mm performance crank for a 183cc.
Oddly, there's also a 163cc kit.

Also coming: a couple performance cylinder heads for the 150, including a 4-valve.

The 163cc kit is the same part number as the 161cc. I think it may be a typo?

The heads are already out with the exception of the 4V head.

NCY 61mm big valve head part #1100-1254
NCY 58.5MM big valve head part #1100-1283
NCY 4V head, part #1100-1255

jfrost2 · Post by **jfrost2** » Sat May 16, 2009 3:18 pm

How are they going to drop the 125? It's the magical number of cc's.

The 125 is more powerful than the 150 anyways, at take off at least. I'm happy with my 125. I dont see why they'd force everyone to have to get a 150 in the future, or a 175.

Although I do like the sound of a bigger buddy body with 270cc. But can you imagine price? It would be around 5k.

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Sat May 16, 2009 3:22 pm

jfrost2 wrote:How are they going to drop the 125? It's the magical number of cc's.

The 125 is more powerful than the 150 anyways, at take off at least. I'm happy with my 125. I dont see why they'd force everyone to have to get a 150 in the future, or a 175.

Although I do like the sound of a bigger buddy body with 270cc. But can you imagine price? It would be around 5k.

Yeah, I kinda thought dropping the 150 would be better. But most people assume the 150 is faster just because it's bigger, so it likely come down to being a selling point.

jfrost2 · Post by **jfrost2** » Sat May 16, 2009 3:26 pm

Unless they decide to somehow re modify the 150, but I doubt it.

What I'd like to see is EFI fuel injected bubu's brought over as buddy's, both 125 and 150 models, and possibly the 175, not sure about that.

Dooglas · Post by **Dooglas** » Sat May 16, 2009 3:50 pm

This juice probably has some real pulp in it somewhere, but it is pretty hard to tell that from the fizz. I imagine most of these "hot" rumors will never see the light of day. Some of the others will but they may look very different by then. I can't imagine that there is much here to cause anyone to rethink short term buying decisions. The weather outside is great - time to go ride!

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Sat May 16, 2009 3:52 pm

Dooglas wrote:This juice probably has some real pulp in it somewhere, but it is pretty hard to tell that from the fizz. I imagine most of these "hot" rumors will never see the light of day. Some of the others will but they may look very different by then. I can't imagine that there is much here to cause anyone to rethink short term buying decisions. The weather outside is great - time to go ride!

Well put. Most of this is way out if it ever sees the light of day, but its interesting none the less.
On a side note, were you out riding yesterday Dooglas? I think I spotted you

I saw a Vino and a red Buddy riding in Oregon City.

laxer · Post by **laxer** » Sat May 16, 2009 3:52 pm

A 183cc kit for the 125!? Makes me want to buy a used one and get that thing slapped on right now!!

Post by **ericalm** » Sat May 16, 2009 3:55 pm

My favorite rumor that has yet to be realized in any form: Genuine sport scooter with a rotary engine. This one still resurfaces. I have no idea where it came from.

jfrost2 · Post by **jfrost2** » Sat May 16, 2009 4:05 pm

The rumor came from an old post about PGO testing around with those type of engines, but I doubt much improvement has been made in the past year. They created massive horse power in small cc's, but gas mileage was horrible.

djelliott · Post by **djelliott** » Sat May 16, 2009 4:23 pm

ericalm wrote:My favorite rumor that has yet to be realized in any form: Genuine sport scooter with a rotary engine. This one still resurfaces. I have no idea where it came from.

It's not a "Rotary Engine" it's a Rotary valve design. Check out this article:

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/10/23 ... er-engine/

Post by **ericalm** » Sat May 16, 2009 5:27 pm

djelliott wrote:
ericalm wrote:My favorite rumor that has yet to be realized in any form: Genuine sport scooter with a rotary engine. This one still resurfaces. I have no idea where it came from.
It's not a "Rotary Engine" it's a Rotary valve design. Check out this article:

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/10/23 ... er-engine/

"[Source: CENS via 2 Stroke Buzz]"
Bryan started the rumor!

chloefpuff · Post by **chloefpuff** » Sun May 24, 2009 8:14 pm

Any idea when this alleged 300c beast will be coming out? I assume it will an automatic...................

I've got a "big birthday" coming up this fall and I'm thinking I might want to ask for "option to buy" when it hits the market.

Intheknow · Post by **Intheknow** » Sun May 24, 2009 10:24 pm

Word has it the Blur is true, the rest are not. I got that from my source.

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Sun May 24, 2009 10:56 pm

chloefpuff wrote:Any idea when this alleged 300c beast will be coming out? I assume it will an automatic...................

I've got a "big birthday" coming up this fall and I'm thinking I might want to ask for "option to buy" when it hits the market.

Likely not for quite a while. Or not at all. You know how rumors go.... Though we actually got the 4T Stella.

Post by **ericalm** » Sun May 24, 2009 11:02 pm

chloefpuff wrote:Any idea when this alleged 300c beast will be coming out? I assume it will an automatic...................

I've got a "big birthday" coming up this fall and I'm thinking I might want to ask for "option to buy" when it hits the market.

Last we heard (from Mr. McCaleb himself), it'll be a 2010 model, probably available next spring. The scooter's still in development, though, so who knows? The 4T Stella was delayed a year while they got it up to snuff.

Intheknow wrote:Word has it the Blur is true, the rest are not. I got that from my source.

Well you are "in the know," located in Chicago and have the Genuine logo for an avatar.

So either: 1. you're a Genuine/Scooterworks employee brazenly violating Philip's ban on interfering on the forum; 2. you work for another dealer and are violating the Posting Guideline requesting that you identify yourself and contact me before posting as well as Philip's request that dealers not interfere here; 3. you're connected to the company in some other way and are hiding behind the veil of anonymity because it's fun to be "in the know" without having to take responsibility for what you say; 4. you are, in fact, Philip McCaleb and are feeding the member hype machine and rumor mill; OR 5. you're full of hooey but are trying to make it seem as if you're not through the implication that you're somehow affiliated with the company.

BuddyLicious · Post by **BuddyLicious** » Sun May 24, 2009 11:24 pm

I mentioned this question a few days ago.Do you guys think that 270ish scoot is going to be labeled as a 300cc? I hate when they do this,like with other brands.No it's not the end of the world but still....

Buddy 175! Really? Serious? No Kidding? Will it be identical to today's Buddy's? My hearts pounding with excitement! Genuine,How I LOVE thee....

Oh wait a minute.These rumors do not sound like Genuine,with their tight-lipped hush hush past. I mean whomever Phil talked to about these new models,would have Phil's total trust not to say anything to anybody.???

BuddyLicious · Post by **BuddyLicious** » Sun May 24, 2009 11:49 pm

ScootStevie wrote: I like my 125...think its a perfect size.

Yea but those extra 25cc's for the 150 isn't enough to call it a change.In other words,with the 2 engines so close in cc's your not really having to make any significant change.Don't worry be happy....

ScooterTrash · Post by **ScooterTrash** » Sun May 24, 2009 11:50 pm

ericalm wrote: So either: 1. you're a Genuine/Scooterworks employee brazenly violating Philip's ban on interfering on the forum; 2. you work for another dealer and are violating the Posting Guideline requesting that you identify yourself and contact me before posting as well as Philip's request that dealers not interfere here; 3. you're connected to the company in some other way and are hiding behind the veil of anonymity because it's fun to be "in the know" without having to take responsibility for what you say; 4. you are, in fact, Philip McCaleb and are feeding the member hype machine and rumor mill; OR 5. you're full of hooey but are trying to make it seem as if you're not through the implication that you're somehow affiliated with the company.

haha

Post by **ericalm** » Mon May 25, 2009 12:09 am

BuddyLicious wrote:I mentioned this question a few days ago.Do you guys think that 270ish scoot is going to be labeled as a 300cc? I hate when they do this,like with other brands.No it's not the end of the world but still....

Buddy 175! Really? Serious? No Kidding? Will it be identical to today's Buddy's? My hearts pounding with excitement! Genuine,How I LOVE thee....

Oh wait a minute.These rumors do not sound like Genuine,with their tight-lipped hush hush past. I mean whomever Phil talked to about these new models,would have Phil's total trust not to say anything to anybody.???

No, some of these things have been verified publicly. In particular, the retro 270cc (or thereabouts) touring scoot and the 183 kit for the Buddy 150. (There's a 160-something kit for the 125.)

A 175cc Buddy? I'm not putting much stock in this one.

And while I do know that Genuine wants a sport scooter, Philip has said in the past there are no current plans to revive the Blur. I think they may debut a new scooter using the Blur EFI 150 or 200cc in a totally new design.

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Mon May 25, 2009 12:20 am

ericalm wrote:
BuddyLicious wrote:I mentioned this question a few days ago.Do you guys think that 270ish scoot is going to be labeled as a 300cc? I hate when they do this,like with other brands.No it's not the end of the world but still....

Buddy 175! Really? Serious? No Kidding? Will it be identical to today's Buddy's? My hearts pounding with excitement! Genuine,How I LOVE thee....

Oh wait a minute.These rumors do not sound like Genuine,with their tight-lipped hush hush past. I mean whomever Phil talked to about these new models,would have Phil's total trure st not to say anything to anybody.???
No, some of these things have been verified publicly. In particular, the retro 270cc (or thereabouts) touring scoot and the 183 kit for the Buddy 150. (There's a 160-something kit for the 125.)

A 175cc Buddy? I'm not putting much stock in this one.

And while I do know that Genuine wants a sport scooter, Philip has said in the past there are no current plans to revive the Blur. I think they may debut a new scooter using the Blur EFI 150 or 200cc in a totally new design.

both the 161 and the 183 kit are currently available in the latest
Scooterworks catalog, so rumor no more.

chloefpuff · Post by **chloefpuff** » Mon May 25, 2009 12:20 am

ericalm wrote:
chloefpuff wrote:Any idea when this alleged 300c beast will be coming out? I assume it will an automatic...................

I've got a "big birthday" coming up this fall and I'm thinking I might want to ask for "option to buy" when it hits the market.
Last we heard (from Mr. McCaleb himself), it'll be a 2010 model, probably available next spring. The scooter's still in development, though, so who knows? The 4T Stella was delayed a year while they got it up to snuff.

2010, huh? Please, Please, Please let it be true!!!! And make it RED.

Cheshire · Post by **Cheshire** » Mon May 25, 2009 2:26 am

BuddyLicious wrote:Oh wait a minute.These rumors do not sound like Genuine,with their tight-lipped hush hush past. I mean whomever Phil talked to about these new models,would have Phil's total trust not to say anything to anybody.???

Intheknow · Post by **Intheknow** » Mon May 25, 2009 6:25 am

Intheknow wrote:
ericalm wrote:
chloefpuff wrote:Any idea when this alleged 300c beast will be coming out? I assume it will an automatic...................

I've got a "big birthday" coming up this fall and I'm thinking I might want to ask for "option to buy" when it hits the market.
Last we heard (from Mr. McCaleb himself), it'll be a 2010 model, probably available next spring. The scooter's still in development, though, so who knows? The 4T Stella was delayed a year while they got it up to snuff.

Intheknow wrote:Word has it the Blur is true, the rest are not. I got that from my source.
Well you are "in the know," located in Chicago and have the Genuine logo for an avatar.

So either: 1. you're a Genuine/Scooterworks employee brazenly violating Philip's ban on interfering on the forum; 2. you work for another dealer and are violating the Posting Guideline requesting that you identify yourself and contact me before posting as well as Philip's request that dealers not interfere here; 3. you're connected to the company in some other way and are hiding behind the veil of anonymity because it's fun to be "in the know" without having to take responsibility for what you say; 4. you are, in fact, Philip McCaleb and are feeding the member hype machine and rumor mill; OR 5. you're full of hooey but are trying to make it seem as if you're not through the implication that you're somehow affiliated with the company.

Take it for whatever you want..but I'm always correct. Maybe you should be quiet , stop posting your idea of rules and regulations and ever so quietly listen to me and follow my posts.

jasondavis48108 · Post by **jasondavis48108** » Mon May 25, 2009 11:43 am

The InTheKnow would not be happy, if you challanged his InTheKnow. I love excuses to use cheezy Godfather references

Sorry but I trust Eric and well the owner of Genuine (listen to interview). Anyone else may well be correct, and well, statistically speaking the more bull someone spouts the higher the likelyhood that at least some of it is correct. I predict that in the next year, no make that 2 years, Genuine will come out with a new scooter and it will rock! (Now I'm using the old astrologist trick, be very general and vague and you'll always be correct:)

Post by **ericalm** » Mon May 25, 2009 4:59 pm

Intheknow wrote:
ericalm wrote:
chloefpuff wrote:Any idea when this alleged 300c beast will be coming out? I assume it will an automatic...................

I've got a "big birthday" coming up this fall and I'm thinking I might want to ask for "option to buy" when it hits the market.
Last we heard (from Mr. McCaleb himself), it'll be a 2010 model, probably available next spring. The scooter's still in development, though, so who knows? The 4T Stella was delayed a year while they got it up to snuff.

Intheknow wrote:Word has it the Blur is true, the rest are not. I got that from my source.
Well you are "in the know," located in Chicago and have the Genuine logo for an avatar.

So either: 1. you're a Genuine/Scooterworks employee brazenly violating Philip's ban on interfering on the forum; 2. you work for another dealer and are violating the Posting Guideline requesting that you identify yourself and contact me before posting as well as Philip's request that dealers not interfere here; 3. you're connected to the company in some other way and are hiding behind the veil of anonymity because it's fun to be "in the know" without having to take responsibility for what you say; 4. you are, in fact, Philip McCaleb and are feeding the member hype machine and rumor mill; OR 5. you're full of hooey but are trying to make it seem as if you're not through the implication that you're somehow affiliated with the company.

Take it for whatever you want..but I'm always correct. Maybe you should be quiet , stop posting your idea of rules and regulations and ever so quietly listen to me and follow my posts.

Sigh. These aren't "my idea" of rules and regulations. They're my rules and regulations. For my forum. Abide by them or, one way or another, go away.

What I'm questioning here, regardless of whether you're correct, is why someone with access to this information would choose not to identify themselves and own up to how they happen to be in a position to know these things. One way or another, you're either violating the rules or involved in some sort of deceit. I've tolerated a few others who've been guilty of this in the past because they've either identified themselves to me in private or provided useful information. Your contributions to the forum have not been so valuable that anyone would really miss you should you get booted at this point.

At the very least, you should mind your manners and know well enough not to insult and condescend to the owner of the forum. Or anyone else here for that matter.

ScooterTrash · Post by **ScooterTrash** » Mon May 25, 2009 5:11 pm

I wont miss him Eric

Intheknow · Post by **Intheknow** » Mon May 25, 2009 8:29 pm

ericalm wrote:
Intheknow wrote:
ericalm wrote: Last we heard (from Mr. McCaleb himself), it'll be a 2010 model, probably available next spring. The scooter's still in development, though, so who knows? The 4T Stella was delayed a year while they got it up to snuff.
Well you are "in the know," located in Chicago and have the Genuine logo for an avatar.

So either: 1. you're a Genuine/Scooterworks employee brazenly violating Philip's ban on interfering on the forum; 2. you work for another dealer and are violating the Posting Guideline requesting that you identify yourself and contact me before posting as well as Philip's request that dealers not interfere here; 3. you're connected to the company in some other way and are hiding behind the veil of anonymity because it's fun to be "in the know" without having to take responsibility for what you say; 4. you are, in fact, Philip McCaleb and are feeding the member hype machine and rumor mill; OR 5. you're full of hooey but are trying to make it seem as if you're not through the implication that you're somehow affiliated with the company.

Take it for whatever you want..but I'm always correct. Maybe you should be quiet , stop posting your idea of rules and regulations and ever so quietly listen to me and follow my posts.
Sigh. These aren't "my idea" of rules and regulations. They're my rules and regulations. For my forum. Abide by them or, one way or another, go away.

What I'm questioning here, regardless of whether you're correct, is why someone with access to this information would choose not to identify themselves and own up to how they happen to be in a position to know these things. One way or another, you're either violating the rules or involved in some sort of deceit. I've tolerated a few others who've been guilty of this in the past because they've either identified themselves to me in private or provided useful information. Your contributions to the forum have not been so valuable that anyone would really miss you should you get booted at this point.

At the very least, you should mind your manners and know well enough not to insult and condescend to the owner of the forum. Or anyone else here for that matter.

Honestly Eric are you really that much of a baby that you must throw your weight around over a post where I offended nobody? If this is the way your site is where people can't express themselves at all I'll gladly leave. You are the one calling me out. I didn't start any trouble. I don't have to introduce myself to you in any way as this is the internet. Nobody else here has been asked to do that nor should they. You can either believe me or not, I don't care. If I didn't know what I was talking about I wouldn't have bothered posting. You couldn't just leave it alone and just read what I have to say from time to time and maybe as time went on you would actually see that I am correct. Instead you felt the need to put out your chest and try to throw some internet forum weight around. How pathetic and sad especially for others who may have gotten some early info or sneek peeks into our favorite scooters.

ScootStevie · Post by **ScootStevie** » Mon May 25, 2009 8:34 pm

"Cant we all just....get along." Sorry, someone had to say it

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Mon May 25, 2009 8:42 pm

Intheknow wrote:
ericalm wrote:
Intheknow wrote:
Take it for whatever you want..but I'm always correct. Maybe you should be quiet , stop posting your idea of rules and regulations and ever so quietly listen to me and follow my posts.
Sigh. These aren't "my idea" of rules and regulations. They're my rules and regulations. For my forum. Abide by them or, one way or another, go away.

What I'm questioning here, regardless of whether you're correct, is why someone with access to this information would choose not to identify themselves and own up to how they happen to be in a position to know these things. One way or another, you're either violating the rules or involved in some sort of deceit. I've tolerated a few others who've been guilty of this in the past because they've either identified themselves to me in private or provided useful information. Your contributions to the forum have not been so valuable that anyone would really miss you should you get booted at this point.

At the very least, you should mind your manners and know well enough not to insult and condescend to the owner of the forum. Or anyone else here for that matter.

Honestly Eric are you really that much of a baby that you must throw your weight around over a post where I offended nobody? If this is the way your site is where people can't express themselves at all I'll gladly leave. You are the one calling me out. I didn't start any trouble. I don't have to introduce myself to you in any way as this is the internet. Nobody else here has been asked to do that nor should they. You can either believe me or not, I don't care. If I didn't know what I was talking about I wouldn't have bothered posting. You couldn't just leave it alone and just read what I have to say from time to time and maybe as time went on you would actually see that I am correct. Instead you felt the need to put out your chest and try to throw some internet forum weight around. How pathetic and sad especially for others who may have gotten some early info or sneek peeks into our favorite scooters.

All I gotta say is troll. You came here and started crap just to start crap.
Did I mention troll?

Intheknow · Post by **Intheknow** » Mon May 25, 2009 8:52 pm

Kaos wrote:
Intheknow wrote:
ericalm wrote: Sigh. These aren't "my idea" of rules and regulations. They're my rules and regulations. For my forum. Abide by them or, one way or another, go away.

What I'm questioning here, regardless of whether you're correct, is why someone with access to this information would choose not to identify themselves and own up to how they happen to be in a position to know these things. One way or another, you're either violating the rules or involved in some sort of deceit. I've tolerated a few others who've been guilty of this in the past because they've either identified themselves to me in private or provided useful information. Your contributions to the forum have not been so valuable that anyone would really miss you should you get booted at this point.

At the very least, you should mind your manners and know well enough not to insult and condescend to the owner of the forum. Or anyone else here for that matter.

Honestly Eric are you really that much of a baby that you must throw your weight around over a post where I offended nobody? If this is the way your site is where people can't express themselves at all I'll gladly leave. You are the one calling me out. I didn't start any trouble. I don't have to introduce myself to you in any way as this is the internet. Nobody else here has been asked to do that nor should they. You can either believe me or not, I don't care. If I didn't know what I was talking about I wouldn't have bothered posting. You couldn't just leave it alone and just read what I have to say from time to time and maybe as time went on you would actually see that I am correct. Instead you felt the need to put out your chest and try to throw some internet forum weight around. How pathetic and sad especially for others who may have gotten some early info or sneek peeks into our favorite scooters.

All I gotta say is troll. You came here and started crap just to start crap.
Did I mention troll?

What crap did I start? Please do show me an example.

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Mon May 25, 2009 8:56 pm

Intheknow wrote:
Kaos wrote:
Intheknow wrote:

Honestly Eric are you really that much of a baby that you must throw your weight around over a post where I offended nobody? If this is the way your site is where people can't express themselves at all I'll gladly leave. You are the one calling me out. I didn't start any trouble. I don't have to introduce myself to you in any way as this is the internet. Nobody else here has been asked to do that nor should they. You can either believe me or not, I don't care. If I didn't know what I was talking about I wouldn't have bothered posting. You couldn't just leave it alone and just read what I have to say from time to time and maybe as time went on you would actually see that I am correct. Instead you felt the need to put out your chest and try to throw some internet forum weight around. How pathetic and sad especially for others who may have gotten some early info or sneek peeks into our favorite scooters.

All I gotta say is troll. You came here and started crap just to start crap.
Did I mention troll?
What crap did I start? Please do show me an example.

You came here and started talking trash to the forum owner simple because he disagreed with your post. You state you have info that contradicts what the OWNER of Genuine says, and get upset when someone points that out.
Sounds like typical troll behavior to me. Most people who are new to a forum intruduce themselves and try to get the hang of the forum before trying to be king of the rock.... I'd like to think you're not trolling, but things arn't looking so good for ya.

jijifer · Post by **jijifer** » Mon May 25, 2009 9:25 pm

there is a old Internet saying: fighting on the Internet is like winning in the special olympics- even if you win you are still a retard. (early Internet humor)

now I'm not calling anyone such a thing it's just this thread is called juicy rumors and no one said where the original came from so why bust the chops of any that come after? rumors are just that.

there is so much we can learn from each other, it'd shame to ban someone who wants remain anonymous. this is just a rumor thread - not one giving bad advice or being offensive.

I vote for putting this to bed without banning anyone.

fretman · Post by **fretman** » Mon May 25, 2009 10:01 pm

Kaos wrote:
jfrost2 wrote:...The 125 is more powerful than the 150 anyways, at take off at least...
...most people assume the 150 is faster just because it's bigger, so it likely come down to being a selling point.

This is from upthread a ways - I'm just wondering, why is the 125 faster than than the 150 at take off?

Lostmycage · Post by **Lostmycage** » Mon May 25, 2009 10:03 pm

fretman wrote:
Kaos wrote:
jfrost2 wrote:...The 125 is more powerful than the 150 anyways, at take off at least...
...most people assume the 150 is faster just because it's bigger, so it likely come down to being a selling point.
This is from upthread a ways - I'm just wondering, why is the 125 faster than than the 150 at take off?

Stock vs stock, with the same break in, it's not. Kaos's was faster because he broke his in a very specific way (and didn't leave it stock for too long).

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