Dipping my toe in the VooDoo pool...

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:45 pm

Well, as it is time for my 6000mi service, I've taken the VooDoo plunge and ordered a GY6 CVT Performance Package Level 2 kit as a little thank you gift for my hard working scooter.

Based on my research I went with the 11g sliders and the 1500rpm spring. I am totally psyched to see the performance difference it makes. I don't expect a huge top end speed increase, maybe just get there a little faster, and I am very curious to see what difference it makes when I'm riding up all these steep Hollywood Hills.

Alas, I fear I may have just opened a VooDoo Pandora's box. What mod will be next?

NoHo Scooters will be doing the install for me at the same time as they do the rest of my 6000mi service. Figured I'd leave it to the pro's...

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:51 pm

Skootz Kabootz wrote:Well, as it is time for my 6000mi service, I've taken the VooDoo plunge and ordered a GY6 CVT Performance Package Level 2 kit as a little thank you gift for my hard working scooter.

Based on my research I went with the 11g sliders and the 1500rpm spring. I am totally psyched to see the performance difference it makes. I don't expect a huge top end speed increase, maybe just get there a little faster, and I am very curious to see what difference it makes when I'm riding up all these steep Hollywood Hills.

Alas, I fear I may have just opened a VooDoo Pandora's box. What mod will be next?

NoHo Scooters will be doing the install for me at the same time as they do the rest of my 6000mi service. Figured I'd leave it to the pro's...

Good for you Skootz! Though you may actually want 12g sliders if you also got clutch springs, as I find that the 11's I've got in now are a bit too light, and have hurt my top end a bit. Let us know how it goes.

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:02 pm

What kind of difference would 12g sliders make vs 11g Kaos? A little slower off the mark but with a bit more tope end? And if so, how much difference are we talking about? Does having a 150cc scooter vs your 125cc make any difference as to how the sliders/spring combination performs?

I just ordered the 11g's this afternoon so I can probably get them switched to 12g before they ship on Monday if it really is the right move to make.

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:38 pm

Skootz Kabootz wrote:What kind of difference would 12g sliders make vs 11g Kaos? A little slower off the mark but with a bit more tope end? And if so, how much difference are we talking about? Does having a 150cc scooter vs your 125cc make any difference as to how the sliders/spring combination performs?

I just ordered the 11g's this afternoon so I can probably get them switched to 12g before they ship on Monday if it really is the right move to make.

The 11's arn't heavy enough to get the belt all the way to the top of the variator with the 1500RPM contra, so I'm loosing top end. I don't think I'll actually loose any acceleration on the bottom by going up to 12's but we'll find out soon. And remember, I'm actually 161cc, so my engine is bigger than yours is

Not that it'll make any difference compared to your 150. I've done it on 125's and on 150's and they perform exactly the same.

Ms_Kady · Post by **Ms_Kady** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:50 pm

How does your scooter handle the higher speeds on these small tires?

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:01 pm

Cool. Thanks Kaos. I'm going to switch to 12g.

Ms. Kady, I've had my stock 150 up to 74mph (real mph - speedo is buried at that speed) and it handled just fine. I did find pressing forward on both grips really helped to steady the scooter though - good countersteering technique...

Ms_Kady · Post by **Ms_Kady** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:09 pm

Cool, thanks for the info! I'd like to start upgrading performance parts on my Buddy as soon as I get used to its stock goodness.

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:18 pm

Ms_Kady wrote:Cool, thanks for the info! I'd like to start upgrading performance parts on my Buddy as soon as I get used to its stock goodness.

That's totally what I am doing. I've enjoyed 6000+ miles of stock goodness, highlighted by my scooter performing so amazingly well on the 1200 mile ride up the coast from LA to Los Gatos and back - WOT 90% of the way and my wonderful scooter just kept coming back for more. Who could ask for better? I just figure that as my engine and transmission are going to be apart for this major service I have coming up anyways, now's the time to further my quest for speed. What fun

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:00 am

Skootz Kabootz wrote:Cool. Thanks Kaos. I'm going to switch to 12g.

Ms. Kady, I've had my stock 1650 up to 74mph (real mph - speedo is buried at that speed) and it handled just fine. I did find pressing forward on both grips really helped to steady the scooter though - good countersteering technique...

There's an easy trick to making sure that your belt is going all the way up the variator that I'll be posting to <a href="http://www.voodoo-buddy.com">Voodoo Buddy</a> shortly that might help you out.
EDIT: Just posted.

Ms Kady, my Buddy will do 88MPH, and it handles just fine, like Skootz says, you learn to put some weight towards the handle bars to keep it steady.

Post by **ericalm** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:33 am

Ms_Kady wrote:How does your scooter handle the higher speeds on these small tires?

If you plan on riding at those sorts of speeds, I highly recommend spending some money and getting some better tires. I have Heidenau K61s on my Vespa. I'd never felt comfortable with the ride and handling over 60mph or so. No more. Now I can comfortably change lanes and swerve at 70. They also corner very well. It's an all-new scooter at high speeds!

NathanielSalzman put a pair on his GT and had a similar reaction.

None of the whitewalls for the Buddy perform as well. I'd love to see what these would do on a modded Buddy or a Black Jack. With the better suspension, I bet the handling would be IN-SANE.

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:43 am

ericalm wrote:
Ms_Kady wrote:How does your scooter handle the higher speeds on these small tires?
If you plan on riding at those sorts of speeds, I highly recommend spending some money and getting some better tires. I have Heidenau K61s on my Vespa. I'd never felt comfortable with the ride and handling over 60mph or so. No more. Now I can comfortably change lanes and swerve at 70. They also corner very well. It's an all-new scooter at high speeds!

NathanielSalzman put a pair on his GT and had a similar reaction.

None of the whitewalls for the Buddy perform as well. I'd love to see what these would do on a modded Buddy or a Black Jack. With the better suspension, I bet the handling would be IN-SANE.

Better tires are a MUST for high speeds! I've just installed the Vee Rubber VRM-134 Sport Tires, and I have to say my bike sticks like gravity does not apply. Its fantastic! Also keep in mind, the stock Buddy tires are all J rated, which means that they're only rated for 62MPH.

laxer · Post by **laxer** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:08 am

Not to hijack, but have you slotted your ramps, Kaos?

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:11 am

laxer wrote:Not to hijack, but have you slotted your ramps, Kaos?

I've not. I've read about other people doing it, and they seem to have good results. Maybe I'll give it a shot here soon

I'm still trying to get my bike back in balance after some airbox mods, swapping my 1000RPM contra for a 1500RPM and the weather getting colder. My carb is all wacky now, and needs new jets, and I need to get 12g sliders. I try not to do NEW mods till I get my last batch dialed in

laxer · Post by **laxer** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:18 am

I get ya, one step at a time. I'd love to see a tutorial when you get the chance.

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:20 am

laxer wrote:I get ya, one step at a time. I'd love to see a tutorial when you get the chance.

Its my goal to have a review and install tutorial on every mod I've got in the near future.

I'll also be looking for people to do 'Voodoo Workshops' with, since I can't easily undo most of my mods to photo/video them

Its not like you can UN port/polish a head

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:24 am

See? The VooDoo Pandora's Box is opening...

Tires. Am I going to see such a performance improvement from this variator/sliders/spring performance kit upgrade that I really need to consider upgrading my tires right away?

I am due for a new rear tire anyways, so it will be replaced regardless. But I do like the look of the whitewalls on my St Tropez. So I'd rather not have to go to a plain black tire unless absolutely necessary.

Kaos, one more slider weight question if I may... With the 12g sliders, how will my scooter's power be going up hills? Any change? Comparable to the way it is now? Much less pull? There are a lot of hills around here, some pretty long and steep...

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:26 am

Skootz Kabootz wrote:See? The VooDoo Pandora's Box is opening...

Tires. Am I going to see such a performance improvement from this variator/sliders/spring performance kit upgrade that I really need to consider upgrading my tires right away?

I am due for a new rear tire anyways, so it will be replaced regardless. But I do like the look of the whitewalls on my St Tropez. So I'd rather not have to go to a plain black tire unless absolutely necessary.

Kaos, one more slider weight question if I may... With the 12g sliders, how will my scooter's power be going up hills? Any change? Comparable to the way it is now? Much less pull? There are a lot of hills around here, some pretty long and steep...

I'd be interested if anyone knows of a performance whitewall. Everyone has hot-shot sport tires, but I've never seen a sport whitewall

You'll have more power up hills with the heavier weights at speed, though you may notice a slight bit less if you have to go from a stop up a hill. my commute has a giant uphill spot that I can maintain 65 actual up no problem.

iwabj · Post by **iwabj** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:29 am

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:32 am

iwabj wrote:
Kaos wrote: Better tires are a MUST for high speeds! I've just installed the Vee Rubber VRM-134 Sport Tires, and I have to say my bike sticks like gravity does not apply. Its fantastic! Also keep in mind, the stock Buddy tires are all J rated, which means that they're only rated for 62MPH.
http://www.scooterworks.com/Vee_Rubber_ ... _P9911.cfm

"Speed rating L (75 mph)" Such a shame that Kaos has to be held back. Tsk tsk.

These would help, but unfortunately they're best suited for going in a straight line. Aero Tires by Dresser: http://www.desser.com/aerotires.shtml

Maybe Kaos will re-badge them as Kao's 'Voodoo Tires'

And yes the do come in ribbed.

Heh, I picked those due to coming into the rainy season. They actually have <a href="http://www.scooterworks.com/Vee_Rubber_ ... .cfm">this set</a> that are P rated (94MPH) but the other set had a better tread pattern for rain. Don't worry, I'll trial the P rated ones next summer

DanteG · Post by **DanteG** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:28 am

Don't worry, I'll trial the P rated ones next summer

...by which time you'll have found a way to achieve escape velocity.

rondothemidget · Post by **rondothemidget** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:51 pm

With Kaos getting up to 88 mph, I think the next mod he needs is a 1.21 gigawatt flux capacitor so he can enjoy time travel.

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:43 pm

rondothemidget wrote:With Kaos getting up to 88 mph, I think the next mod he needs is a 1.21 gigawatt flux capacitor so he can enjoy time travel.

<a href="http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/plush/9fc6/">Like this one?</a> Now I just need a 1.21 gigawatt stator, and I'll be ready to go! Mr Fusion powered Buddy, here I come!

I'll bring everyone back Blur 220's

Lostmycage · Post by **Lostmycage** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:21 pm

Kaos wrote:
rondothemidget wrote:With Kaos getting up to 88 mph, I think the next mod he needs is a 1.21 gigawatt flux capacitor so he can enjoy time travel.
<a href="http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/plush/9fc6/">Like this one?</a> Now I just need a 1.21 gigawatt stator, and I'll be ready to go! Mr Fusion powered Buddy, here I come!

I'll bring everyone back Blur 220's

Wait... are you going to the future or an alternate semi-speculative future?

Post by **ericalm** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:41 pm

Someday I'm going to install a word replacement for "flux capacitor."

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:42 pm

ericalm wrote:Someday I'm going to install a word replacement for "flux capacitor."

Hah, that's evil Eric. Then how will I get back to the future?

Post by **ericalm** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:50 pm

Kaos wrote:
ericalm wrote:Someday I'm going to install a word replacement for "flux capacitor."
Hah, that's evil Eric. Then how will I get back to the future?

One day at a time, like the rest of us.

laxer · Post by **laxer** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:49 pm

I've figured out a way to travel through time: it's forward at a constant rate.

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:56 pm

My Performance Kit arrived from Buggy Parts NW yesterday. Quick, easy, and a good deal. Just the way I like it.

Nice service from BPNW. They made switching the weight of the sliders I ordered from 11g to12g a total non-issue. Thanks!

Now the fun begins. Probably a week or so before I can get it installed...

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:59 am

Well, my scooter is back, major 6000 mile service done, Dr. Pulley variator, 12g sliders, and 1500rpm contra spring installed, plus a new belt, and new rear tire...

I've only ridden about 10 miles on the mod's so far, but here are my first impressions...

perhaps a bit faster off the line but some top end loss. I am not concerning myself with speeds yet as I have a new belt to break in and that teflon coating (or what ever it is) on the variator to burn off. But the speed has already improved since I first left the shop. There is a noticeably smoother feel to the scooter and a slightly different sound too.

More details as they develop

bgwss · Post by **bgwss** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:59 am

Keep us up to date as I am very interested in how you like your changes.

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:44 am

Went for a good 20 mile ride today to give the mod's a better testing. Most definitely the scooter is spunkier. If I were racing on a twisty course I'd be much further up in the pack. Really pretty fun.

The big test for me was riding up this one really long, steep hill in my neighborhood. With the stock setup, by the time I got to the top of the hill I would be slowed to a crawl, pulled over to the right, annoyed cagers behind me. With my new DP setup I flew up the hill even passing two cars. Quite a difference. Speed did still slow somewhat nearing the top of the hill, but it was negligible. Nowhere near as much as when all stock.

I have not had the right opportunity to test the top end with a long WOT run yet. That will probably happen tomorrow. But I did get to open it up for a short spell and got up to 65 speedo/mph (my best speed with the stock setup was speedo buried - so 80+ speedo/mph). The second time I opened it up it seemed to get to 65 a little faster and easier. So I am still optimistic that with a little more riding and breaking in, the top end will eventually match or beat the stock setup. My fingers are crossed.

So, if I were to draw a performance analogy, based on riding with the mods so far... If my scooter were a 10-speed bike:
- stock I had gears 4-10,
- with the DP set up I have gears 1-8, but I'm thinking gears 9 and 10 may be in there and just not experienced yet.

Of course... what I really want is for it to go to 11!

More details as they come in...

Lostmycage · Post by **Lostmycage** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:12 am

You may find that you want to go back to the stock or use a 1k Contra spring. The 1500 spring is great for quick acceleration and holding lower gearing longer, but without doing some work to the engine, it's going to take a lot longer to get to those high speeds, and you'll be spinning the engine to get to them. Give it a little while just the same. The new parts will wear in shortly.

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:11 am

Lostmycage wrote:You may find that you want to go back to the stock or use a 1k Contra spring. The 1500 spring is great for quick acceleration and holding lower gearing longer, but without doing some work to the engine, it's going to take a lot longer to get to those high speeds, and you'll be spinning the engine to get to them. Give it a little while just the same. The new parts will wear in shortly.

Hmmm... you may be onto something LMC. The engine does seem to be revving at a higher rate compared to stock. To use my bicycle analogy again, it's like it's peddling faster in a lower gear... but it's not bad at all for city riding - feels really sporty. Temps me to ride more aggressively

I'll definitely give the mod some time to settle in and for me to get used to it. I do have the stock parts so if in the long run the top end doesn't pan out the way I hope, I can always switch all or some of the parts back.

Lostmycage · Post by **Lostmycage** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:40 am

You've already spent the money on the sliders and variator. If you change anything back, just put the stock spring back in or a 1k spring (they're dirt cheap). You'll likely find it's the best compromise.

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:02 pm

Well, I finally took the scooter for a good long ride yesterday and got a better feel for how the mods have affected performance. So here's another report. I still only have about 85 miles on the mods so they do have some more settling in to go...

The scooter is way more responsive from 0 to 55mph (speedo indicated). Even more responsive than just a few days ago. It really is fun to have that power at my disposal and I am riding differently because of it - more aggressive and sporty.

Yesterday, I had split my way to the front of the line of cars waiting for a red light. So, as ever, I planned on gunning it at the green light it to get out in front of the pack. So I did... and next thing I know my front wheel was a good 4-6 inches off the ground! Totally caught me by surprise! Granted, I sit near the rear of the seat which facilitates wheelies, but I now have to be conscious of how hard I lean on the throttle from a standing start. Never had to do that before. My take off speed even surprised a few sport-bike riders (worth the price of the mods just for that!

)

Once up to 55/60mph indicated, the scooter pretty much holds its speed regardless of slope or terrain. There is this one long steep hill near me with a posted 55mph speed limit (La Cienega past Jefferson heading towards the coast/airport for those who know the area). The hill is long, steep, and fast, with curves. Generally a challenge for a small scooter to climb and maintain traffic speed. Well, not anymore for me! I was expecting some speed-loss trouble especially being surrounded by all the cagers, but I got up to my 55/60mph (and then some) quickly and the scooter just stayed there up the whole hill! I never went below 55mph. I even passed a couple of cars! It was great. Pre-mods I would have slowed to around 35/40mph indicated.

Now about speeds beyond 55/60mph indicated...

I finally got to ride WOT for a while and got the scooter up tp 72mph indicated. I probably could have squeezed a little more out of it if I really worked it, but either way, I have lost a little top end. Regardless, the most noticeable change in my scooters behavior is that it gets up to 55/60mph indicated really quickly, but once there, accelerating beyond 55/60 happens more gradually than before. But the scooter does have more speed in it than 55/60 and the top end seems to be what is still improving as I continue to ride and the mods break in more.

As far as negatives resulting from the mod go...

I seem to be using more gas. I still need to ride more to get the definitive stats on this, but early signs are that I have lost about 10mpg. This makes sense since the engine is revving a bit higher with the mods and (no small thing) I am riding harder and more aggressively, having fun with my scooters new found feistiness.

All in all, I am enjoying the changes the mods have made. As my scooter is primarily a city scooter, I think they are particularly good/appropriate. After all, how often do I need to bury the speedo riding in the city? Not ever. But I do need to hold my speed up hills. And that extra responsiveness at speeds below 55mph can be a great safety bonus should I ever need to get out of the way of something quickly.

So... so far so good. I'll be watching to see how my mpg is ultimately affected, and also how the top end settles in. If anything, I may switch back to the stock spring next time I open up the transmission as that would eliminate each of these two "negatives". We shall see. Time and more riding will tell...

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:08 pm

As far as your lowered gas milage, I'll bet its how you're riding it

I've discovered that even with all my mods, my gas milage is still about where it was stock on the rare ocasions that I've actually ridden more normally.

Normally I ride it a bit agressively

And the wheelies infront of sportbike riders are by FAR one of the best perks of modding!

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:16 pm

Kaos wrote:As far as your lowered gas milage, I'll bet its how you're riding it I've discovered that even with all my mods, my gas milage is still about where it was stock on the rare ocasions that I've actually ridden more normally.

Ahhh, just another behavioral problem. Excellent!

Kaos wrote:And the wheelies infront of sportbike riders are by FAR one of the best perks of modding!

bgwss · Post by **bgwss** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:32 pm

Thanks for the update.

rondothemidget · Post by **rondothemidget** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:43 am

I've got about 800 miles on my Dr. Pulley variator & 11g sliders, and new Kevlar belt. The clutch springs are still stock. It's interesting to read Skoots Kabootz' review as my experience is slightly different.

I've noticed I have quicker acceleration from about 30-50 mph (indicated), kind of a flat zone between 50 & 60, then great acceleration between 60 & 75. My top speed was slower by about 5 mph after initial installation but has since resumed to the previous top speed with the stock parts. I have no explanation for this but one day I was able to easily peg the speedometer when the weather was in the high 80s. It's been 75 mph max since then with the weather between the 50's and the 70's. Maybe my Buddy likes it hot. I was never able to go over 75 bmph my first 8,500 miles with the stock setup.

And I noticed my gas mileage has improved slightly. I was getting around 90 mpg with the stock parts but have been consistently getting 100 mpg since the upgrade. And this is with a lot of WOT driving.

It seems like I go up steep hills slightly slower, maybe 10%, but admit that is a very subjective observation. It's probably about the same as it was before.

I can also attest that new tires, like the Heidenau's, greatly improves the handling and the ride. My only complaint with the Heidenau's has been they don't seem to last long. I only got 2,500 miles with the Heidenau k58 on the rear and will probably get 3,000 miles with the k61 (again, on the rear). I've got about 5,500 miles on the k58 in the front and can probably get a few thousand more miles on it. I got 4,000 miles on the stock rear tire so I'm guessing there's a tradeoff between performance and longevity. I'd be interested to hear what kind of mileage people get with their Heidenau's.

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:53 am

rondothemidget wrote:I've got about 800 miles on my Dr. Pulley variator & 11g sliders, and new Kevlar belt. The clutch springs are still stock. It's interesting to read Skoots Kabootz' review as my experience is slightly different...

Hey Rondo, our setups are not the same so our respective performance improvements will be different. (That and you have a 125cc scooter and I have a 150cc.)

I have the 12g sliders (vs your 11g's) plus I have the 1500rpm contra spring installed which you do not. That is the biggest difference. The stiffer contra spring is why I have much greater response 0 to 55/60mph and a flatter speed curve above that. It is also 100% why I have such great power going up hills.

My clutch springs are still stock too.

Your kevlar belt vs my stock belt won't make any difference to speed but the kevlar belt will resist stretching better. I had a new stock belt installed with my DP variator and no doubt as that is braking in it is contributing something to my continued performance improvement...

Jury is still out on my mpg changes. I just tanked up today, so we'll see what kind of milage I get before the next fill up. I'll be hoping for better

Surfs up · Post by **Surfs up** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:59 am

WOW, Pandora's box has just been opened. Mine hasn't even been delivered and I'm thinking mods. But what does that do to the warranty

Lostmycage · Post by **Lostmycage** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:06 pm

Surfs up wrote:WOW, Pandora's box has just been opened. Mine hasn't even been delivered and I'm thinking mods. But what does that do to the warranty

You'll want to talk that over with your sealer since they're the ones that will be making or denying warranty claims. Generally, modifications void warranties, or more specifically the modified components.

If you're unhappy with the performance of the scoot before you even get it home, I think you bought the wrong model. Give it a little time before modding, you'll at least want to let it break in.

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:23 pm

Lostmycage wrote:
Surfs up wrote:WOW, Pandora's box has just been opened. Mine hasn't even been delivered and I'm thinking mods. But what does that do to the warranty
You'll want to talk that over with your sealer since they're the ones that will be making or denying warranty claims. Generally, modifications void warranties, or more specifically the modified components.

If you're unhappy with the performance of the scoot before you even get it home, I think you bought the wrong model. Give it a little time before modding, you'll at least want to let it break in.

Yes, in my case the warranty on the parts I've modified is void. Which at this point is nearly everything.

Also a BIG second on letting it break in. The performance changes a LOT after break-in.

Post by **ericalm** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:10 pm

Surfs up wrote:WOW, Pandora's box has just been opened. Mine hasn't even been delivered and I'm thinking mods. But what does that do to the warranty

I just added a Warranty section to our growing FAQ:
<a href="viewtopic.php?p=174434#174434">The Warranty FAQ</a>

Surfs up · Post by **Surfs up** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:26 pm

Thanks guys, I appreciate the input.

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:00 am

Well I've got another few hundred miles put on the mods now, and what can I say, I love them! They have made my scooter the ultimate city vehicle while still leaving plenty of sustained top end for longer "highway" rides. We did about 150 miles through the canyons and countryside yesterday and I felt like I was on my St. Tropez's younger, sportier, cousin.

With the mods I have tons of get-up-and-go, absolutely zero loss of speed going up hills (that part really amazes me), I can pop little wheelies off the line and really get out in front of traffic, and at average cruising speeds (45-55 indicated) the scooter is much more responsive to additional acceleration.

Though I have lost a little speed off the top end, I still managed to get up to 75mph indicated yesterday which for 99.9% of my riding needs is more than ample. Losing that little bit off the top end is way, way, way made up for by the increased speed and power in the low and mid range. Much better for city traffic riding which is what I do most.

As for any change in mpg... well, I've filled up 5 times since the mods, four full-tanks, one partial fill up. The first three tankfulls came in at roughly 66mpg. These were all city riding and roughly 10mpg below my pre-mod mpg average. The next two tankfulls came in at 76 mpg, were more like highway riding, and were exactly the same mpg as before the mods.

Soooo.... exact mpg changes are inconclusive thus far and more riding is needed... aw shucks.

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:27 pm

Skootz Kabootz wrote:Soooo.... exact mpg changes are inconclusive thus far and more riding is needed... aw shucks.

So get out there and collect data!

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:50 pm

Kaos wrote:
Skootz Kabootz wrote:Soooo.... exact mpg changes are inconclusive thus far and more riding is needed... aw shucks.
So get out there and collect data!

The things we gotta do for science...

Post by **ericalm** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:38 pm

Skootz Kabootz wrote:
Kaos wrote:
Skootz Kabootz wrote:Soooo.... exact mpg changes are inconclusive thus far and more riding is needed... aw shucks.
So get out there and collect data!
The things we gotta do for science...

Now that you have the iPhone, there are several great apps to track mileage. Gas Buddy is the one I used. Great for tax time, too!

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:40 am

ericalm wrote:
Skootz Kabootz wrote:
Kaos wrote: So get out there and collect data!
The things we gotta do for science...
Now that you have the iPhone, there are several great apps to track mileage. Gas Buddy is the one I used. Great for tax time, too!

Better than using Fuelly?

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