what 2-stroke oil? new to 2-stroke sccots & new Rattler

kmrcstintn · Post by **kmrcstintn** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:00 pm

I have a new leftover 2009 Rattler 110 & I am new to 2-stroke scoots...
owners' manual is very vague; what 2-stroke oil to use?

eg: dealer owner thinks factory fill is a conventional injector approved oil, but he sells Amsoil full synthetic oil (HP injector, Dominator); I topped off the oil tank with 1/2 quart of Amsoil HP injector to make a synthetic blend; to stay with a synthetic blend during break-in I grabbed some Pennzoil Marine synthetic blend (back of bottle states it can be used for injector system)

I guess what I'm asking is what kind of 2-stroke oil is NOT approved since the owners' manual is vague?

squash · Post by **squash** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:49 pm

Just get anything with TC-3 on it (I don't know if it is possible to buy non TC-3 to be honest). Don't spend more than you need to.

viney266 · Post by **viney266** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:36 am

Stay away from castor of any kind. Find a good synthetic injector oil and stick with it. Something made for a scoot or motorcycle is a good idea IMO...I run synthetic in my dirtbikes, 2 stroke street bikes and my stella

Bobbareeba · Post by **Bobbareeba** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:12 am

Don't use the TCW oils. They may be made for injectors, but they're for water cooled marine engines only. The air cooled engines run hotter and need a much different additive package to prevent coking. Using a full synthetic like Bel Ray SI7 or Amsoil Interceptor will help to prevent ring sticking and carbon buildup and in the meantime will give you lots LESS smoke at the tailpipe.

agrogod · Post by **agrogod** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:50 am

As as a side note make sure the oil will do 100:1, not that your scoot will ever get that high ratio, but for best results the oil should be capable of it.

kmrcstintn · Post by **kmrcstintn** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:46 pm

ooppsss...

I did use some Pennzoil synthetic blend TCW-3...anything I can do about potential deposits that might have developed from its use?!?

I'll switch to Amsoil HP Injector or Yamahalube 2-S that I picked up to make a stash for over the winter

B02S4 · Post by **B02S4** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:57 am

You won't go wrong with Bel-Ray Si-7.

Lotrat · Post by **Lotrat** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:45 am

I've been using the Maxima Scooter Pro in mine. Only 1000 miles since April, but so far so good. I don't see or smell any smoke.

viney266 · Post by **viney266** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:04 pm

My short list

Spectro scooter 2t
bel ray si-7
maxima scooter pro
motul 710

I have used all of the above...Currently using spectro scooter 2t and its really clean...I can vouch for long term use on the bel ray si-7 as well. Ran it in my RZs for years

squash · Post by **squash** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:17 pm

My short list:

Autozone brand
Walmart brand
Gas station brand
Whatever brand is on sale

If you like to throw your money away, send it to me instead of the oil companies!

waspmike · Post by **waspmike** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:16 am

squash wrote:My short list:

Autozone brand
Walmart brand
Gas station brand

+1 Not forgetting good quality chain saw oil if it is readily available. Yamahalube 2R is good if there is a Yamaha dealer near you.

Not Rattler but I use Shell Advance VSX works well for me

viney266 · Post by **viney266** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:47 pm

squash wrote:My short list:

Autozone brand
Walmart brand
Gas station brand
Whatever brand is on sale

If you like to throw your money away, send it to me instead of the oil companies!

^^^ If your not keeping it long, and you like buying pistons and decoking pipes that stuff works great! I"ve rebuild a few....hundred.

squash · Post by **squash** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:00 pm

Hardly. My experience of 21 years riding (and working on) 2 stroke vehicles agrees with the manufacturer: If it has the right API label, use it.

viney266 · Post by **viney266** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:51 pm

Well, we will just have to agree to disagree on that one...all I'll say is that I'm certain I have you beat on "working on" experience...

The cheaper oils will lubricate fine, but I have seen lots of problems with them coking shut ports on smaller bikes, especially 50cc stuff. I've pulled down many mopeds and dirt bikes that had exhaust ports coked shut or close to it that you have to chip out the carbon. The pricey oils just don't do that...AND when you bore lots of cylinders you can see FAR less wear from the more expensive oils...And ( though it doesn't apply to scoots) the powervalves in racing two-strokes are VERY picky about the oil not sludging things up.

B02S4 · Post by **B02S4** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:51 pm

squash wrote:Hardly. My experience of 21 years riding (and working on) 2 stroke vehicles agrees with the manufacturer: If it has the right API label, use it.

You can use whatever you want. I prefer a top-quality 2T synth in an oil-injected motor. And I've been at this longer than you

waspmike · Post by **waspmike** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:02 am

Chainsaws use premix but some of the info is good.

http://www.treeworld.info/f40/dreaded-c ... 11004.html

squash · Post by **squash** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:43 pm

Everyone gets their own opinion. if the manufacturer wanted a higher grade of oil, they would specify it.

Next up, lets talk about high octane fuel, which is another topic of more opinion than fact.

squash · Post by **squash** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:45 pm

Just for clarity, Genuine specifies JASO FC for the Buddy, presumably the same for the RoughHouse... I don't have that manual handy at the moment.

ScootLemont · Post by **ScootLemont** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:02 am

I always used the ipone strawberry in my Rattler & continue to in my Stella
http://www.scooterworks.com/2-Stroke-Oi ... P2432.aspx

this summer I put it in my weed wacker & yes... it smells like strawberries when I trim the lawn (never noticed the smell on my scoots)

squash · Post by **squash** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:51 pm

I wonder if you can just add strawberry smelling essential oil from the stinky store at the mall to regular 2stroke oil? Might be worth a test.

viney266 · Post by **viney266** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:52 pm

^^^ So we could make different flavors? I want a pre-mix that smells like bacon!!!!!

B02S4 · Post by **B02S4** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:08 am

[quote="viney266]...I want a pre-mix that smells like bacon!!!!![/quote]

Just use PJ-1 semi-synth in the black container. It's pretty close!

brianwheelies · Post by **brianwheelies** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:28 am

I run a Prima pipe on my Rattler 50 and I tried Yamalube 2S for my last quart of oil. I will just say that that stuff can't burn off soon enough. My first oil aside from the factory stuff was Belray synthetic which when warm burned smoke free but this Yamalube 2S is leaving a little smoke trail which landed me a citation to the tune of $192.

My next quart is Belray Si7, the full synthetic. Don't want the attention of the local law, especially the major prick I had to deal with.

viney266 · Post by **viney266** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:39 am

brianwheelies wrote:I run a Prima pipe on my Rattler 50 and I tried Yamalube 2S for my last quart of oil. I will just say that that stuff can't burn off soon enough. My first oil aside from the factory stuff was Belray synthetic which when warm burned smoke free but this Yamalube 2S is leaving a little smoke trail which landed me a citation to the tune of $192.

My next quart is Belray Si7, the full synthetic. Don't want the attention of the local law, especially the major prick I had to deal with.

^^^^ I have used SI-7 in my RZ500 and it works great.

I gotta ask...what the heck did you get a citation for?

brianwheelies · Post by **brianwheelies** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:07 am

viney266 wrote:^^^^ I have used SI-7 in my RZ500 and it works great.

I gotta ask...what the heck did you get a citation for?

I actually received 5 citations to the tune of $1505. The one in question was for vehicle smoking from the exhaust.

I ran into a dickhead Sargent who was making some tall accusations on my behalf and I was arguing with him and proved him wrong. He proceeded to write a laundry list of tickets that he thinks he can get away with and then took me to jail.

This was two weeks ago Sunday. Tomorrow I file a complaint with Internal Affairs against the Sargent and meet with an attorney.

Most ridiculous thing I have ever been subject to!

Modern Buddy

what 2-stroke oil? new to 2-stroke sccots & new Rattler

what 2-stroke oil? new to 2-stroke sccots & new Rattler

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