Used 50 cc Buddy

issue31 · Post by **issue31** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:22 pm

Looking to buy a 50cc Buddy for $1700.00. Is this about right? Lady only had it one Summer, new. She wants something bigger.
GEN MAY-B5009-BLACK 09 BUDDY SO-BLACK
REAR LUGGAGE RACK
REAR RACK
WINDSHIELD
Top case c

165 miles on it

Dooglas · Post by **Dooglas** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:34 pm

I would personally say that is a bit high for a mid-winter price. At least around here, 50s take quite a drop in price when sold used as many folks choose to step up in displacement for their second scooter. A quick check of KBB shows that average retail on an '09 Buddy 50 is about $1500, and average wholesale is about $1000.

skully93 · Post by **skully93** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:37 pm

if it runs right and has been well taken care of, that's a nice price!

DO make sure that a 50cc is really what you want, and what you'll use it for.

my 50cc for buzzing around is fun, I love it! but, for a daily commuter, you'll pretty much want something bigger in 2 seconds. Everyone told me I would, and I said "nahh....this is great!". Then I rode something bigger....

That being said, if you're willing to push the envelope a little many local shops are happy to put in a 70cc kit, which, if properly done and not set up for overzealous racing, are pretty reliable. Local dealer here would charge @$600, and you still retain the ability to park on sidewalks and such. That being said, if you get in an accident and it comes to light that it is upgraded, your insurance will mock you.

I shall now get off my overcaffeinated soap box.

TVB · Post by **TVB** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:03 pm

skully93 wrote:my 50cc for buzzing around is fun, I love it! but, for a daily commuter, you'll pretty much want something bigger in 2 seconds.

That depends on your commute. I've been commuting on my 50cc pretty much daily most of the year for three years now (and counting)... which is a little longer than 2 seconds.

$1700 is on the high side, especially since the warranty is not transferable. But considering the low mileage and the preinstalled accessories, I wouldn't call it a bad price. I'd try offering less, but if you've got the $1700 and you like the bike....

skully93 · Post by **skully93** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:29 pm

Thanks for the correction TVB. You know, if I hadn't ridden the Italia I probably would have happily ridden the Zuma daily for 3 years too

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As it is I've made a deal with myself to use it a couple days per week, and 1 day a week I will probably be parking a scoot to take the bus. Since Yoda will have plates, they might/might not ticket it for parking in a rack (Denver doesn't always enforce scoots for bike racks). Zumi will be an easy choice for that day.

viney266 · Post by **viney266** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:30 pm

TVB wrote:
$1700 is on the high side, especially since the warranty is not transferable. But considering the low mileage and the preinstalled accessories, I wouldn't call it a bad price. I'd try offering less, but if you've got the $1700 and you like the bike....

Agreed, I fell 1400-1600 tops. So make a fair offer and see what happens

Uncle Groucho · Post by **Uncle Groucho** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:13 am

Scooterfinds will track trends in price for age and condition if it's a readily available model, but they don't seem to show anything for the 50 Buddy.

It's got some decent extras added in, so that price isn't terrible. Aim for a little under and keep the overage in your sock! If it goes north, at least you're ready....

JHScoot · Post by **JHScoot** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:24 am

$1500 tops if it runs perfect and is in good cosmetic shape. accessories included. don't want to nickel and dime the deal and say maybe $100 more with accessories. $200 off asking price seems right

Buddy 50cc were $2000 new. yes i know dealer fees and tax and what not. but that is not to be passed on to the new owner. nor additional costs for what is on the scoot. the accessories either come with for $1500 or the scoot comes without for less money. say like $1400. as it is they should be used as incentives for a new buyer not worked into the asking price

i mean idk people can sell their stuff however they want. i just think $1500 is a right square deal for the whole shebang

EDIT: $1400 also sounds fair to me. how low can we go, guys? its a three year old 50cc scooter

also, has it been derestricted? if not $1350 for the whole thing, take it or leave it!

ok i am getting wild here. but i drives a hard bargain

TVB · Post by **TVB** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:52 am

JHScoot wrote:Buddy 50cc were $2000 new. yes i know dealer fees and tax and what not. but that is not to be passed on to the new owner.

Fees and taxes are part of the retail price of a new scooter. The original buyer paid them. The new buyer would have to pay them if they bought a new one instead. Why wouldn't they be factored in when comparing the price of a new scoot vs. a used one?

JHScoot · Post by **JHScoot** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:45 am

just kind of how my head works. taxes and fees were paid on something new the original owner bought and used for some time. maybe used a little, maybe a lot. its just as a buyer from a private owner i don't want to pay for part of the bikes taxes and fees from new. i am looking for a bargain and will gladly take that off your hands if the price is right

i don't think any sort of consumer market guide figures those things in for resale value, either. just the original msrp

TVB · Post by **TVB** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:25 pm

JHScoot wrote:i don't think any sort of consumer market guide figures those things in for resale value, either. just the original msrp

MSRP is just a number published by the manufacturer, and doesn't tell you what the vehicle is worth on the market, because it isn't what the vehicle actually sells for. Price guides base their figures on the actual selling price of vehicles, used and new.

slusher5 · Post by **slusher5** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:17 pm

JHScoot wrote:$1500 tops if it runs perfect and is in good cosmetic shape. accessories included. don't want to nickel and dime the deal and say maybe $100 more with accessories. $200 off asking price seems right

Buddy 50cc were $2000 new. yes i know dealer fees and tax and what not. but that is not to be passed on to the new owner. nor additional costs for what is on the scoot. the accessories either come with for $1500 or the scoot comes without for less money. say like $1400. as it is they should be used as incentives for a new buyer not worked into the asking price

i mean idk people can sell their stuff however they want. i just think $1500 is a right square deal for the whole shebang

EDIT: $1400 also sounds fair to me. how low can we go, guys? its a three year old 50cc scooter

also, has it been derestricted? if not $1350 for the whole thing, take it or leave it!

ok i am getting wild here. but i drives a hard bargain

i like the way your thinking...

you need to really think about whether 50cc will be enough... I've had one for over 3 years w/o much trouble. I would like a 125+, just can't afford one. I highly recommend just buying a 125+ instead of a 50cc buddy and the 70cc kit. you are going to pay about the same amount but the 125+ will be more reliable and powerful.

Dooglas · Post by **Dooglas** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:34 pm

TVB wrote:Price guides base their figures on the actual selling price of vehicles, used and new.

Indeed. That was why I quoted the KBB prices for an '09 Buddy 50. That represents the average of what this scooter sold for used (retail and wholesale) over the past few months whatever the original buyer paid for it. (many buyers paid less than MSRP on '09 scooters, of course, as dealers were stuck with a lot of '09 overstock)

Thadsgood · Post by **Thadsgood** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:14 pm

When I worked at the dealer, we'd have taken less for a scooter with similar features, after offering it for 1700. I'd say 1500. Its a great scooter, i had one myself. Good luck.

Raiderfn311 · Post by **Raiderfn311** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:14 pm

Price is too high for winter. I would offer $1200 and if they refuse, give them your phone number and say "Goodbye". I would also agree with above post, make sure you want a 50cc. I commuted with a 50cc for about a year. It just got old being passed. Plus I think its dangerous to not go with the flow of traffic, and it pisses "cagers" off. My 0.02

Raiderfn311 · Post by **Raiderfn311** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:16 pm

TVB wrote:
JHScoot wrote:Buddy 50cc were $2000 new. yes i know dealer fees and tax and what not. but that is not to be passed on to the new owner.
Fees and taxes are part of the retail price of a new scooter. The original buyer paid them. The new buyer would have to pay them if they bought a new one instead. Why wouldn't they be factored in when comparing the price of a new scoot vs. a used one?

Because its used!! Different ballgame, different park, different teams. Apples and oranges. This isnt a dealer who NEEDS the $ to stay in business, its a private seller who wants to sell. The buyer holds the spades on this one.

slusher5 · Post by **slusher5** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:34 pm

Raiderfn311 wrote:
TVB wrote:
JHScoot wrote:Buddy 50cc were $2000 new. yes i know dealer fees and tax and what not. but that is not to be passed on to the new owner.
Fees and taxes are part of the retail price of a new scooter. The original buyer paid them. The new buyer would have to pay them if they bought a new one instead. Why wouldn't they be factored in when comparing the price of a new scoot vs. a used one?
Because its used!! Different ballgame, different park, different teams. Apples and oranges. This isnt a dealer who NEEDS the $ to stay in business, its a private seller who wants to sell. The buyer holds the spades on this one.

the fees do need to be considered... but not completely passed off onto the buyer... if the only way to get a new buddy was to buy it from a dealer then the price of a new buddy is not MSRP, but MSRP+fees. any depreciation of the scooter should be taken off the MSRP+fees price..

but yeah... the buyer should be in control in this transaction. Winter, seller probably wants to sell quick/needs cash, low demand, high supply

probably let him know you are very interested, but not at that price, then give him a low offer that won't piss him off.

TVB · Post by **TVB** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:39 pm

Raiderfn311 wrote:Because its used!! Different ballgame, different park, different teams. Apples and oranges. This isnt a dealer who NEEDS the $ to stay in business, its a private seller who wants to sell. The buyer holds the spades on this one.

Comparing the real-world price of a used scooter to some fictional imaginary price that no one ever pays for a new scooter is comparing apples with unicorns. I'm not saying you shouldn't try to haggle with a private seller, knowing that they may have more freedom to negotiate than a dealer. I'm just saying that pretending they paid MSRP for it is absurd, because they didn't.

slusher5 · Post by **slusher5** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:04 pm

TVB wrote:
Raiderfn311 wrote:Because its used!! Different ballgame, different park, different teams. Apples and oranges. This isnt a dealer who NEEDS the $ to stay in business, its a private seller who wants to sell. The buyer holds the spades on this one.
Comparing the real-world price of a used scooter to some fictional imaginary price that no one ever pays for a new scooter is comparing apples with unicorns. I'm not saying you shouldn't try to haggle with a private seller, knowing that they may have more freedom to negotiate than a dealer. I'm just saying that pretending they paid MSRP for it is absurd, because they didn't.

few years ago when I was looking at scooters, the only way to get a new buddy was to pay that fictional price u speak of.., what makes u so confident?

Raiderfn311 · Post by **Raiderfn311** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:29 pm

Im in no way saying be an asshole to the seller. Don't meet the person wearing a ski-mask. Maybe 1200 was low.

Lets say 1500 no wiggle room. Sound about right?

TVB · Post by **TVB** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:58 pm

slusher5 wrote:few years ago when I was looking at scooters, the only way to get a new buddy was to pay that fictional price u speak of.., what makes u so confident?

Then in that case, MSRP happened to match the actual price. I suppose it happens. All I'm saying is that the actual selling prices of scooters are what matters in judging the market value of other scooters, not some hypothetical price the manufacturer suggests. I'm a bit baffled that this is even a point of dispute.

Raiderfn311 · Post by **Raiderfn311** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:59 pm

TVB wrote:
slusher5 wrote:few years ago when I was looking at scooters, the only way to get a new buddy was to pay that fictional price u speak of.., what makes u so confident?
Then in that case, MSRP happened to match the actual price. I suppose it happens. All I'm saying is that the actual selling prices of scooters are what matters in judging the market value of other scooters, not some hypothetical price the manufacturer suggests. I'm a bit baffled that this is even a point of dispute.

You're baffled there is a dispute on MB? C'mon, you've seen a few.

skully93 · Post by **skully93** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:32 pm

Id say decide what its worth to you, and negotiate. Im surevthe seller would do the same. Start low and meet in the middle. Also recognize they may really love the scoot to and be forced to sell, so be understanding ut firm about yo.ur price.

issue31 · Post by **issue31** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:07 pm

Thank you to the power of Modern Buddy! After reading all comments, I decided the Buddy 50 was not going to be big enough for me. I was going to offer 1550.00 for it. Will look for something bigger. I knew the lady who has it, and she wants something bigger after she gets her motorcycle license. Thanks again everyone ! issue31

lovemysan · Post by **lovemysan** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:29 pm

There are 2 2012 buddy 50cc in the classifieds right now. $1500 with full warranty. Located in northern Iowa.

Dooglas · Post by **Dooglas** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:37 pm

Raiderfn311 wrote:
TVB wrote:All I'm saying is that the actual selling prices of scooters are what matters in judging the market value of other scooters, not some hypothetical price the manufacturer suggests. I'm a bit baffled that this is even a point of dispute.
You're baffled there is a dispute on MB? C'mon, you've seen a few.

I'm with TVB on this one. The prices that used scooters sell for are not theory or somehow a hypothetical question. There are actual numbers out there for real asking prices - and, more important, for real sales. The drop in value between new and used prices is real and substantial. The new market itself is quite soft and out the door prices vary quite a bit. A buyer should arm themself with as much information as possible. And it is always fair to make offers, politely and honestly.

brianwheelies · Post by **brianwheelies** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:11 pm

Too bad you aren't closer. I would sell you my Rattler 50(has same engine) for $800. Bought new last July and in excellent condition.