SUGGESTION: ModernBuddy.com - Forums should be reorganized

[nickcornaglia]

I have not been a member for too long but belong to other forums (scooter and non-scooter related).

I was wondering why the forums are categorized the way they are.
In my opinion, I think GENERAL DISCUSSION should only be for General Discussion...and Buddy 50, 125, 150cc should have their own category along with the other scooter specific categories.

There are discussions going on in the other categories that should be in the General Discussion category that I'm missing out on because I don't want to sort thru Stella Specific info...as an example.

While I'm on the subject, there should be a Website suggestions/issues category as well

[Skootz Kabootz]

Welcome to the forum

So why exactly would you separate the Buddy 50, 125, and 150 into their own forums? They are the same scooter with slightly different engines. What is your logic?

And if you are missing certain threads because you don't feel like reading each forum, well... can't help you there. I certainly don't think that your suggestion to create even more forums would do anything to change that. In fact it would make things all the more complicated. And you would just have more forums that you don't feel like reading.

[nickcornaglia]

You're missing the point and being unnecessarily glib as a result.

I'm asking for the separation of one forum into two.
The first: General Discussion
The second: Buddy 170cc, 150cc, 125cc, 50cc

[nickcornaglia]

Welcome to the forum

So why exactly would you separate the Buddy 50, 125, and 150 into their own forums? They are the same scooter with slightly different engines. What is your logic?

And if you are missing certain threads because you don't feel like reading each forum, well... can't help you there. I certainly don't think that your suggestion to create even more forums would do anything to change that. In fact it would make things all the more complicated. And you would just have more forums that you don't feel like reading.

After reading again, I'm very surprised you took the time to be unnecessarily rude, basically calling me lazy as if you know my reading habits here in the forums. I hope you're not representative of the rest of the forum members.

[Digitaldissent]

I am also all for something like...
The first: General Discussion
The second: Buddy 170cc, 150cc, 125cc, 50cc


Having to scan through NSR or NBR is kinda lame, in my personal opinion.

[k1dude]

If this community were larger, I might agree. But there's only a handful of active posters. I suspect it would feel awfully quiet around here with the posts being split-up into 2 forums.

[rentonhighlander]

I've had the same thought and like the idea. I wondered why all of the other scoots had their own section but the "buddy" was just lumped in with everything.
It doesn't hurt to make a suggestion and it's smart to have a forum open to suggestions even though all suggestions can't be followed.
I found it entertaining when an earlier poster was trying to be "wise" and didn't even understand what the suggestion was.

[jmazza]

I have not been a member for too long but belong to other forums (scooter and non-scooter related).

I was wondering why the forums are categorized the way they are.
In my opinion, I think GENERAL DISCUSSION should only be for General Discussion...and Buddy 50, 125, 150cc should have their own category along with the other scooter specific categories.

There are discussions going on in the other categories that should be in the General Discussion category that I'm missing out on because I don't want to sort thru Stella Specific info...as an example.

While I'm on the subject, there should be a Website suggestions/issues category as well

This has come up a few times before. When ModernBuddy started there were no 150s, no 170s and maybe not even any Stellas (I think I might be wrong on that). There are Genuine models that have come and gone as well. That's why it's not-so-aptly named ModernBUDDY and not ModernGenuine or something like that.

The post above about the size of the community is, in my opinion, the best reason for not splitting up General Discussion into various Buddy model-specific forums. That and the fact that there are so many common design elements, parts, and therefore problems and solutions, among all the Buddy line make a strong case for not splitting up into various Buddy categories. We'd lose a lot of collective wisdom on electrical issues, tires, center stand scraping questions, and many other things that come up regularly if we had a different forum for each Buddy model.

You point out that you miss interesting threads because you don't look in the other forums. Imagine how many you'd miss with all of these new categories. There are many really important things in the tech and FAQ forums that never get read already.

Now if threads are posted incorrectly in the wrong forum, you can always report them (click the ! icon at the top right of a post) and we will move it to the correct forum. It happens all the time.

Ultimately Eric (ericalm) is the owner and administrator of this site and the organization is at his discretion. You might PM him with suggestions as (evidenced above by Skootz' not so nuanced reply) threads like this often just become arguments.

Ultimately there's lots of ways to organize a forum. Personally with this size community I think that one large forum with a few specialty ones is the way to go. But that's just my opinion!

[Skootz Kabootz]

You're missing the point and being unnecessarily glib as a result.

I'm asking for the separation of one forum into two.
The first: General Discussion
The second: Buddy 170cc, 150cc, 125cc, 50cc

You know what nick whaterveryourname is? I have never been rude to anyone on this board and I certainly was not "glib" to you. But you seem to have taken it that way and earned me being rude to you now. Why you chose to overreact to a perfectly reasonable and polite response is your own business. Perhaps your behavior is common on these other boards you say you visit, but clearly your comments are inappropriate here. Please learn some manners.

Now, back to your initial comment, the General Discussions forum IS the forum for all Buddy scooters. MB is a Buddy related forum after all, therefor the general discussion is of course going to be Buddy related albeit with a smattering NBR (Not Buddy Related) threads here and there. That said, perhaps a forum to separate the NSR threads might serve well.

[nickcornaglia]

There you go again. I thought this was a nice place to discuss Genuine Scooter matters with like minded individuals. Thank goodness there are others here who can communicate a bit more respectfully.

[Skootz Kabootz]

There you go again. I thought this was a nice place to discuss Genuine Scooter matters with like minded individuals. Thank goodness there are others here who can communicate a bit more respectfully.

Nick, if you had first responded in a more balanced way with out the unwarranted name calling this entire thread would have a developed a different tone. Now let's move on.

[JHScoot]

I proposed something like this a time ago in a pm to the admin. I suggested at least having a Community Thread as a sort of off topic dump to clean up the first page. It was a suggestion if not for now, later.

But while we are here.....page length seems a tad long, too. 50 posts to scroll down is a bit excessive imho. 20-25 would seem a good number but what do i know or care?

[BootScootin'FireFighter]

I found it entertaining when an earlier poster was trying to be "wise" and didn't even understand what the suggestion was.

I'm not seeing how he was "trying to be wise". He has been a longtime active user on this forum, simply stating the obvious that it's more cumbersome to rummage around numerous threads. We can break down General Discussion all day into NBR, NSR, Stolen stuff, Buddy stuff, why we chose this name over that, or "fill in the blank". How it was perceived on the monitor can easily be misconstrued the same way as a post on facebook or a text message.

My vote, leave it alone.

[redhandmoto]

You know, the only thought I've ever had one thought for a possible improvment to MB - to enable a "new posts" button up top such as with MV.

Have learned a lot and realized huge entertainment value by being able to quickly review all new posts and replies made across all forums since my last visit, and to skip those titles of no interest. Often leads to reading out of my narrow area of usual focus, to my great benefit.

I find that the eye, reviewing a "new posts" list, quickly sorts out topics for me, obviating the need for, um, forum creep...

[rentonhighlander]

If I understand Nickwhateverhisname correctly he was only suggesting increasing the forum by one subject not a whole lot. This may in fact be a poor suggestion at the present time I don't know, but Nickwhateverhisname made a suggestion for improvement of the forum without attacking those who run it or use it. It's just that, a suggestion. He did not insist that anyone else agree with it, although some do and some obviously do not. This thread although hostile at times could turn to be a good sounding board for suggestions that might improve the forum. There has already been a couple of other suggestions not related to the original post.

[nickcornaglia]

If I understand Nickwhateverhisname correctly he was only suggesting increasing the forum by one subject not a whole lot. This may in fact be a poor suggestion at the present time I don't know, but Nickwhateverhisname made a suggestion for improvement of the forum without attacking those who run it or use it. It's just that, a suggestion. He did not insist that anyone else agree with it, although some do and some obviously do not. This thread although hostile at times could turn to be a good sounding board for suggestions that might improve the forum. There has already been a couple of other suggestions not related to the original post.

Though you can't be bothered to correctly retype difficult to pronounce names, I commend and thank you for being able to read and understand the English language and gather the true meaning behind the words.

To keep the thread going, I'd also like to suggest the addition of button where you can rate posts with a thums up or down based on how helpful it was. I would give your post a thumb up. One or two posts in this thread would get a thumbs down!

[jprestonian]

From the guy who's been on the intarwebz since 1989, and wrote his frist web site the day after Mosaic 0.9 was released...

Content is King. Categorization? Everyone's got their own ideas about that, but if the content is compelling, and the categorization/hierarchy isn't Byzantine, those with more than a casual interest will adapt, or seek somewhere with equally-good content and organizational features that are a "better fit" for that user.

On the scale of 10=perfect, 0=rage-inducing annoyance, I give the current MB structure a 9. It's pretty easy to find what you want, IMO. Then again, I've been using it a while, and I have adapted. :)

OTOH, I can think of scooter forums out there that I'm more inclined to drop, personally, because of the attempts to turn them into catch-all forums, instead of scooter forums. MB hasn't suffered from much of that, I'm glad to opine.
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[Syd]

Nick, have a look at Modern Vespa, MB's big brother. I think you'll find that the layout there is essentially the same as Modern Buddy's. All General topics are grouped in with all newish Vespa related topics. Other Piaggio models have their own sub-board, as does all vintage Vespas.

MB was spawned from MV, when Jess got tired (not really) of all the Buddy topics; the cell divided, as it were, and became MB and MV. MV is a very successful board; breaking the mold for what would at this point be essentially a test would be a great deal of work for Eric, who does this on his own time.

I had similar thoughts at one point, but I learned to live and enjoy the layout as it is. It you stick around, you may too. Give us a try, we're like Oatmeal - we are a taste that grows on you.

(Edited for some clarity)

[Mutt the Hoople]

Hi Nick and welcome I get where you are coming from, but there is lot of good info in all the sections. It's not a large board. I'm sure I'm giving my own opinions away but I like it the way it is. There is a local scooter group here in Saint Louis and I hate navigating their site. And don't EVEN get me started on Facebook.... It's gotten so impossible I rarely go there anymore.
Comparatively speaking, there just are not that many people here so it doesn't make a lot of sense to make more categories.... I'm sure if there was a need it would be done. But you never know... If it is deemed a good idea Eric may give it a try at some point.

Sorry about the misunderstanding between you and Skootz. Not taking sides, but I don't think there are any sides to take. I think it was genuinely a misunderstanding that comes from typed words as opposed to a conversation. Skootz is a pretty positive and helpful person, and not prone to snarkiness, so I hope you give him another chance. The real jerks don't appear to stay around long.

Glad your here... Always nice to have new members to share the love of scootering with.

[neotrotsky]

Seriously, Modern Buddy pretty much explains that the main drive of the site is going to be about the Buddy, which is Genuine's best selling scooter. Sort of like Modern Vespa is about Vespas, but they also have Piaggio categories. Hardly a thing to get all worked up about. Seriously.

Look at it this way: Better to have an Admin like Eric than what they have at MV He works hard over here to make a nice joint

[neotrotsky]

If I understand Nickwhateverhisname correctly he was only suggesting increasing the forum by one subject not a whole lot. This may in fact be a poor suggestion at the present time I don't know, but Nickwhateverhisname made a suggestion for improvement of the forum without attacking those who run it or use it. It's just that, a suggestion. He did not insist that anyone else agree with it, although some do and some obviously do not. This thread although hostile at times could turn to be a good sounding board for suggestions that might improve the forum. There has already been a couple of other suggestions not related to the original post.

Though you can't be bothered to correctly retype difficult to pronounce names, I commend and thank you for being able to read and understand the English language and gather the true meaning behind the words.

To keep the thread going, I'd also like to suggest the addition of button where you can rate posts with a thums up or down based on how helpful it was. I would give your post a thumb up. One or two posts in this thread would get a thumbs down!

To be honest: You have been quite free about how *you* think things shall be, which is fine. Perspective is good. But, that requires alot of rework over a thing that really hasn't been desired by alot of users.

But it kind of comes off like, say, a client at the theater I work at who comes in and wants all sorts of special automated lighting, rock-arena grade concert speaker arrays, special effects and staging for their event. Cool! But, when it comes to the technical aspects of actually BUILDING and paying for it, they simply wave their hands and say "just make it happen" and get offended when no one else is too keen on the changes. Opinions are ALWAYS welcomed on here, but to get defensive when someone disagrees right off the bat isn't the best way to make an impression.

That is, unless it's over epic debates like 2-stroke vs. 4 stroke, mac Vs. PC, Stoli Vs. Smirnoff .... you know, the important stuff. Then the dickish-ness is out in full force and no one is innocent

[BuddyRaton]

When ModernBuddy started there were no 150s, no 170s and maybe not even any Stellas (I think I might be wrong on that).

Stellas were around before the Buddy 125s. That is my entire comment on this thread.

How is Denver jmazza?

[redhandmoto]

How is Denver jmazza?

I just got back from Denver. Everybody was high.

[skully93]

Maybe I'm a fast reader but it usually takes me the space of a cup of coffee to read everything I care to, which is 99% of anything new

The only thing I don't like is the search function, which seems to be more effectively used by google + MB to get the results I want. that could however be the result of not having any coffee....

[JohnKiniston]

You know, the only thought I've ever had one thought for a possible improvment to MB - to enable a "new posts" button up top such as with MV.

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There is one, It's just at the bottom

Click the Modern Buddy image in the upper left, Then in the bottom right click "View Posts since your last visit"

[spr0k3t]

I would also be up for separating the general discussion from the buddy information. At least that way some things would be easier to dig through.

Sidenote: I have yet to find a search feature in any forums that works the way it was intended.

[pdxrita]

I'll just weigh in with my own vote here (not that there's any sort of actual election occurring ). I like the forum exactly as it is. There just aren't enough NSR/NBR posts to merit a separate section. All in all, this board is remarkable for the overall civility amongst a very diverse group of people who might find reasons to dislike each other, outside of our mutual love of all things Buddy and Genuine. The credit for that goes entirely to Eric who rules over the board with an even hand and sets the tone with a civil voice. Having a free for all General forum could endanger that civility because it invites all sorts of NSR related posts. Once you open up to other topics, where do you draw the line? Basically, I'm in the the "if it aint broke, don't fix it" camp.

[nickcornaglia]

To be honest: You have been quite free about how *you* think things shall be, which is fine. Perspective is good. But, that requires alot of rework over a thing that really hasn't been desired by alot of users.

But it kind of comes off like, say, a client at the theater I work at who comes in and wants all sorts of special automated lighting, rock-arena grade concert speaker arrays, special effects and staging for their event. Cool! But, when it comes to the technical aspects of actually BUILDING and paying for it, they simply wave their hands and say "just make it happen" and get offended when no one else is too keen on the changes. Opinions are ALWAYS welcomed on here, but to get defensive when someone disagrees right off the bat isn't the best way to make an impression.

That is, unless it's over epic debates like 2-stroke vs. 4 stroke, mac Vs. PC, Stoli Vs. Smirnoff .... you know, the important stuff. Then the dickish-ness is out in full force and no one is innocent

I really am not trying to be an a**hole. The reason I visit the forum is because I enjoy reading the new threads and learning from the questions and more importantly, the answers the more experienced users have to give. Everyone here seems nice and helpful and there is very little "THIS HAS BEEN ASKED BEFORE...DO A SEARCH!". (Probably because search is not that great!)

While reading the Stella forum, I saw a helmet thread and an OT thread and thought to write my SUGGESTION as some good information could be missed if one doesn't visit every forum category every day. (Note that I titled it as a suggestion and didn't call it a demand).

The first response was from a member (Skootz) who, judging by their number of posts, was probably a leading member of the site.

I was surprised to see the first thing he wrote was "Welcome to the forum "rolls eyes". Why the eye rolling?
Then he wrote what was a misunderstanding of my original post.
Then he basically stated that I am lazy and wouldn't be happy even if changes were made.

I did not take that as a constructive response and responded the way I did. I won't type about it any more as it's getting boring and pointless.

Lastly, I understand it would be a big undertaking as it would involve "cleaning up" the forums as they stand today and no one wants to do that, I'm sure. But I unfortunately decided to post the suggestion which unfortunately leads me to this post.

I'll end my part in this discussion here as I'm getting PMs calling me names as well. Have a great Sunday!

[black sunshine]

basically, this:

The post above about the size of the community is, in my opinion, the best reason for not splitting up General Discussion into various Buddy model-specific forums. That and the fact that there are so many common design elements, parts, and therefore problems and solutions, among all the Buddy line make a strong case for not splitting up into various Buddy categories. We'd lose a lot of collective wisdom on electrical issues, tires, center stand scraping questions, and many other things that come up regularly if we had a different forum for each Buddy model.

and this:

Ultimately Eric (ericalm) is the owner and administrator of this site and the organization is at his discretion. You might PM him with suggestions as (evidenced above by Skootz' not so nuanced reply) threads like this often just become arguments.

pretty much sums it up for me!

[Tocsik]

OK, this will be my uneasy foray into this morass...


Nick, after reading all of the posts that existed before starting my blurb, I went back to the top and re-read your original post and thought I would display it here:

I have not been a member for too long but belong to other forums (scooter and non-scooter related).

I was wondering why the forums are categorized the way they are.
In my opinion, I think GENERAL DISCUSSION should only be for General Discussion...and Buddy 50, 125, 150cc should have their own category along with the other scooter specific categories.

There are discussions going on in the other categories that should be in the General Discussion category that I'm missing out on because I don't want to sort thru Stella Specific info...as an example.

While I'm on the subject, there should be a Website suggestions/issues category as well

To me, it does not read with any poor tone and I get your point. I'm sure this forum could use a bit of restructuring since it has grown a bit lately (particularly in the last 2 years or so). I personally disagree with splitting off the 50, 125, 150 and 170 bikes into different categories.
That's my opinion and it stands for the same reason already spelled out in other posts: The bikes are almost identical with the exception of the displacement.
It's fine that you feel that splitting them would be good. Different strokes for different folks - pun absolutely intended.
Maybe General Discussion is not the right title for the main section anymore.
Personally, I think the [NSR] and maybe even the [NBR] posts should get auto-routed to a [NSR] section. Others probably disagree.

Now, don't get ticked and please take this as honest thoughts from a neutral reader, but I do feel that your post after Skootz first reply had a pretty rough tone when I read it. You may not have intended it that way but that's how it reads to me. After that, things kinda spiraled down the drain and your initial point was almost lost in the back-and-forth.

I hope you nor anyone else has been soured by this thread. So many of us come here for information, help and camaraderie and Eric and the other moderators have done a phenomenal job of keeping this forum as good as it is.
I can't speak for all of the moderators but I'm willing to bet that suggestions are welcome. We should respect those that put the work in during their spare time and that's not directed at any one individual.

Now, I'm gonna hit the [submit] button and see if Eric has chimed-in yet; or maybe the site has been shut down due to utter chaos.

EDIT: I guess one more thing after re-re-reading. Maybe the title of the original post got some feathers ruffled, too. "...Forums should be reorganized" kinda comes off a little bossy. I know the thread starts with the word "suggestion" but, still. Just sayin'.

[nickcornaglia]

Though I won't reply as to whether or not Skootz was intentionally trying to be rude to me or not, I will restate that my suggestion wasn't to break up the different Buddys into their own individual categories, but only to separate GENERAL DISCUSSION from the combined scooter group.

[nickcornaglia]

EDIT: I guess one more thing after re-re-reading. Maybe the title of the original post got some feathers ruffled, too. "...Forums should be reorganized" kinda comes off a little bossy. I know the thread starts with the word "suggestion" but, still. Just sayin'.

If it came off that way it certainly was not my intention.
"SUGGESTION: ModernBuddy.com - Should the forum names be reorganized?"

[Tocsik]

EDIT: I guess one more thing after re-re-reading. Maybe the title of the original post got some feathers ruffled, too. "...Forums should be reorganized" kinda comes off a little bossy. I know the thread starts with the word "suggestion" but, still. Just sayin'.

If it came off that way it certainly was not my intention.
"SUGGESTION: ModernBuddy.com - Should the forum names be reorganized?"

Yeah, I get it. It's all in how you read things without actually talking and hearing a voice. That's the problem with communication these days.
That's too bad you have name-calling pm's but we're all human and subject to our feelings. You, me and everyone on here.
Hopefully, when the dust settles, the forum will go on and we can all get back to hating Al Qaeda.

[TVB]

I really am not trying to be an a**hole.

I believe you aren't trying to be. But kind of like Skootz and his declaration that he's never been rude to anyone... it doesn't mean you aren't. Your original post essentially came across as "I'm new here, but I'm going to tell you how to reorganize this forum", and since then you have laid the attitude on thicker and thicker, with your "I don't need your advice." response to my private advice, sounding more and more like my next-door neighbor's 14-year-old son.

[redhandmoto]

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There is one, It's just at the bottom

Heh heh heh. So I've been staring at this thing since 2008...and not seeing it.

Thanks, John

[nickcornaglia]

I really am not trying to be an a**hole.

I believe you aren't trying to be. But kind of like Skootz and his declaration that he's never been rude to anyone... it doesn't mean you aren't. Your original post essentially came across as "I'm new here, but I'm going to tell you how to reorganize this forum", and since then you have laid the attitude on thicker and thicker, sounding more and more like my next-door neighbor's 14-year-old son.

I disagree.

[mattgordon]

We are all guests here, this forum is provided as a "favor" to Buddy owners/fanciers by the site's owner. There are no fees, its a freebie but still costs both time and money for its owner to provide it to us.

In my opinion, you don't look a gift-horse in the mouth, and for those of having been here for along while,the way it's "organized" is really not germain to the value of knowledge it provides. For free. It's a great thing.

So with that being said, Thank You ericalm for providing Modernbuddy to thousands of strangers from all over.

It's well run and organized as I could hope for.

[nickcornaglia]

While I am appreciative of this forum and of the site admin and moderators that keep it going...It is not a perfect forum. No site is perfect. I never look at myself as a guest of forums but as a member. Members help others on the site and participate in discussions in a friendly way (all which help the site flourish and grow). Offering suggestions to make the site better is supportive of a community. Not everyone will agree with all suggestions but that is ultimately up to the site admin to decide. I am appreciative of them simply listening.

[kitty]

I completely agree with this. It's just odd, almost like Buddy doesn't actually get his own forum, just thrown in with general topics.

There should be a Buddy forum (for all models/engines) and there should be an "Off Topic" forum for general chit chat NSR things.

I might also suggest a "General Scooter" forum, for things that relate to all scooters, or for off-brand scooter discussions. I only make these suggestions because this is how most car forums I frequent tend to organize things and it works well. Model forums, general car forum, and non-car related forum.

So basically this breakdown would mean Buddy, Stella, Blur, and Rattler/Rough House would each have their own places, there would be an Off Topic for NSR, and a General Scooter for things scooter related, but not necessarily specific to one Genuine model.

Edit: I don't want to come off as bossy or anything, and yes I too am new, but coming from the "new" people, it's just a bit confusing. I have a Stella, and obviously anything directly Stella related would go in that forum, but beyond that it's confusing, probably even more so for newcomers who don't have a scooter yet and are in the market and don't know the models very well. All in all, I don't think these suggestions are meant to be harmful, but helpful. Personally I think the navigation would just be much easier if each model had its own place, and NSR things stayed separate. Would also make it easier for Buddy owners to get to the info they need, as well as non-Buddy owners feeling a little more welcome in the NSR topics.

[Rob]

Nick - You came on too strong, particularly for someone fairly new to a forum. Actually I anticipated that the responses you've received would have been much stronger. Skootz has always been a respectful MB member, IMHO, and his initial response here was certainly nothing to get worked up about. Perhaps you're being a bit hypersensitive?

And while I'm sure my response will offend you, that wasn't my intention.

Anyway, sure there are a few enhancements here and there that could be made to MB. Forum organizational wouldn't be high on my list though. And as others have mentioned, the highly compensated Eric , likely has his hands full managing this forum in his free time. I'll choose to appreciate what we have and if Eric and the mods choose to enhance things, so be it.

Rob

[nickcornaglia]

While I don't think I came off too strong, regardless of how long I've been a member, I would agree that I may have come off too direct. I could have softend my suggestion a bit but I wasn't in that mode that day.

[chloefpuff]

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There is one, It's just at the bottom

Heh heh heh. So I've been staring at this thing since 2008...and not seeing it.

Thanks, John

Yeah, me too. So far the only good thing to come out of this thread.

[jmazza]

The OT category/forum idea has been bounced around as well but never added for a few reasons. Mostly in the name of keeping things simple. OT forums tend to be nightmares to moderate, especially during election season or Apple keynotes, heh. We don't have that many OT threads and most of them get marked properly (as requested in the Posting Guidelines). Having an entire category for OT just seems to encourage rude posts, I think.

As for this forum growing in the past couple of years, certainly the member list is longer but it's nowhere near as active as it was in the great scooter/zombie explosion of the Summer of '08. That's when some more forum reorganization threads appeared. But again, in my opinion, it's never really been large enough to warrant too many categories.

I now see the OP's intent was not a different category for each Buddy model (it wasn't very clear from the wording of the first post). I could see that being useful but I still don't feel like it's broken as it is.

As for the conversations about tone that's a non-winnable argument and everyone is going to have their opinion on who's being rude and inappropriate, etc.

Stellas were around before the Buddy 125s. That is my entire comment on this thread.

How is Denver jmazza?

See, I had a feeling I was wrong about that! Denver is great but I don't like that my scooter neither accelerates as fast nor has as high of a top speed as it did at sea level!!

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There is one, It's just at the bottom

Heh heh heh. So I've been staring at this thing since 2008...and not seeing it.

Thanks, John

Yeah, me too. So far the only good thing to come out of this thread.

Glad there's SOMETHING good in here!!!

[2wheelNsanity]

Hmm. I'll play the simpleton. I like the forum the way it is, I really don't want to go fishing through countless links just to find something, plus I don't like unwarranted change. If there was anything I would change it would be the search engine, I have had problems in the past finding threads (but that just might be me ).

[Keys]

And me, I prefer MY coffee with a little sugar and cream.

Same kinda argument, different subject. You like it that way, I like it this way and "never the Twain shall meet." Trying to force someone to change their opinion (even by reason) is like trying to teach a pig to sing...it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

[jmazza]

Trying to force someone to change their opinion (even by reason) is like trying to teach a pig to sing...it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

OH YEAH?!?! Tell that to THIS pig!!

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[2wheelNsanity]

LOL good one.

[iMoses]

Back to nickcornaglia's original question about splitting up 50, 125 and 150 (might as well put 170's and those who've modded, those with new mirrors, seat covers or entire new seats, racks, Givi cases vs milk crates-now I'm being an ass)... I'm not crazy about that idea.

I find that I glean knowledge from each, in my opinion more is not necessarily better. Especially online I dislike sites that make me jump through excessive clicks to get to where I want to go!

[Dooglas]

Having a free for all General forum could endanger that civility because it invites all sorts of NSR related posts. Once you open up to other topics, where do you draw the line? Basically, I'm in the the "if it aint broke, don't fix it" camp.

I tend to agree with Rita on this. Restructuring to have a section primarily for NSR posts really encourages more posts that are outside the reason for this forum, lead to disagreements, and more easily lapse into politics and other banned topics. That has certainly happened on several other special interest websites I sometimes visit.

[nickcornaglia]

Back to nickcornaglia's original question about splitting up 50, 125 and 150 (might as well put 170's and those who've modded, those with new mirrors, seat covers or entire new seats, racks, Givi cases vs milk crates-now I'm being an ass)... I'm not crazy about that idea.

I must have been really unclear in my first post as only half the readers seem to understand. My suggestion was not to have a different section for each type of buddy. It was to seperate the General Discussion from the Buddy Discussions which includes all brands of Buddy's. I'm not THAT demanding!